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torture and mystical marriage

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for young children! Beautifully put
 

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Posted by dj_ordinaire (# 4643) on :
 
At the risk of being flippant, why would torture be a major issue? Presumably the children are familiar with the idea of Christ being nailed up on the Cross?
 

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Posted by Custard (# 5402) on :
 
The whole fictionality thing might be an issue too...

If you gave each saint a rating for fame, and another for historical evidence for their existence, I suspect St Catherine would be near the top of the fame/evidence scale.
 

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Posted by Lietuvos Sv. Kazimieras (# 11274) on :
 
That hymn that contains the phrase, "when her head from her body was separated, outwith milk did flow" (or phrasing to that effect) is most jolly for the wee ones.
 

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When her head was amputated,
Milk flowed forth instead of blood:
Then her body was translated
By the angel multitude,
And on Sinai's Mount located
At its highest altitude.

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I can just see the looks of delight on the faces of my little ones now. And the questions we'd have over Sunday lunch following...
 

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Posted by ardmacha (# 16499) on :
 
I had better be careful here.
Can anyone give me the source of this hymn ; is it a send up ?
Remembering how close fact/fiction in hymns can be: e.g.

Blest is the man whose bowels move
And melt with pity for the poor
His soul in sympathising love
Feels what his fellow saints enure
 

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Posted by mdijon (# 8520) on :
 
A brief google uncovers this;

I don't think it's a spoof.
 

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Posted by leo (# 1458) on :
 
Something to do with wheels and fireworks?
 

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Posted by mdijon (# 8520) on :
 


(I don't see the feast of St Guy and St Catherine catching on).

[ 12. November 2012, 15:39: Message edited by: mdijon ]
 

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Posted by Lyda*Rose (# 4544) on :
 

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Something to do with wheels and fireworks?

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Originally posted by Lyda*Rose:

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Originally posted by leo:
Something to do with wheels and fireworks?

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I thought that fireworks were for Saint Barbara?

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So why are they sold as 'catherine wheels'?
 

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Posted by Lietuvos Sv. Kazimieras (# 11274) on :
 
The hymn is not a send up. We have sung it at St Clement's Philadelphia, whose minor patron Catherine of Alexandria is.
 

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Posted by mdijon (# 8520) on :
 
You have to respect something that rhymes "amputated... translated.... located" for 1,3 and 5, with "blood.... multitude.... altitude" for 2,4 and 6.

They don't write them like that any more.

It has all the ingredients of a St Catherine's Gangsta rap.
 

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Posted by Zappa (# 8433) on :
 
I must say (without a hosty hat on) that we're not helping Latecomer much

That said, the bowels-moving line is one I use quite often, to remind peeps the degree to which we sanititize the bible. JC was forever being splagnidzomai-ed - moved to the bowels. Hats off to the hymn-writer who recognized that visceral response in the Incarnation to human poverty.

All of which does little for the OP.
 

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Posted by latecomer (# 8966) on :
 
thanks Zappa, but actually being made to giggle about it IS helping (and I'm conscious this was very close to being a homework thread too).

I can feel a game coming on here - which saint would you least like to deliver a child-friendly talk on?
 

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Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
Digging through my copy of Seasons, Saints & Sticky Tape

In fairly garbled paraphrase, suggestions for children's activities for All Saints:

1. chain of saints - concertinaed paper to make four shapes of people holding hands, first is saint of church dedication, second is a saint they particularly like, third is someone they know who is a good example, fourth is a picture of themselves.
2. Saints lantern, glue the chain around a clean jam jar and place a candle inside - use to light the parish party celebrating your saint!
3. skipping lightly over the paper flags with a saint drawn on each side;
4. A Woven Banner - use a large bamboo cane top and bottom and tie warp threads between them, make a hanger using a loop at the top, weave a banner out of fabric strips, using paper chains of saints as above from 4 colours of sugar paper, put Jesus at the top, 11 disciples, then the people who found the church, saints, patrons, etc, then last row is the people of the church. It's to show how all Christians are knitted together in God's family.

1. This is the church where we go
2. This is the lady who cares for the church
   where we go (brush)
3. This is the person who visits the village/town
   who thanks the lady who cares for the church
   Where we go (camera)

Children make their own patronal t-shirts using symbols of the saint. (You can see why I look at All Saints - it's John the Baptist here, beheading is the usual date)
 

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Posted by Lyda*Rose (# 4544) on :
 
Oooo! Good game! If you start it in the Circus, I'll come and play.

ETA: For latecomer, of course. Although I'm enjoying Curiosity killed...'s ideas, too.

[ 13. November 2012, 07:24: Message edited by: Lyda*Rose ]
 

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Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :
 
- are you helping me play thread bingo - see if I can start a thread on every board?
 

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Posted by Bishops Finger (# 5430) on :
 
I can't help feeling that one's Patronal Festival
(especially if it's of an....er.... awkward saint) is a time, not for a Family Service, but for a full-on Solemn High Mass (preferably with a tame Bishop celebrating) with children being deputed to do lots of jobs before, during and after said Mass............

Ian J.
 

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Posted by ardmacha (# 16499) on :
 
Thanks fot the link mdijon, a really good hymn.
 

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Posted by Chorister (# 473) on :
 
I certainly had St. Catherine explained to me as a young child in terms of the Catherine Wheel firework. It made perfect sense in that context (perhaps we were more au fait with those sort of fireworks back in the 1960s, as our dads used to set them off in the back garden and children were therefore able to see them close up).

Since then, when visiting churches and cathedrals, I have seen many stained glass windows and other pictures portraying St. Catherine, which usually have the wheel symbol somewhere in the portrait. Perhaps a google of those examples could bring up some you could print off for the children to find the symbol?
 

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I certainly had St. Catherine explained to me as a young child in terms of the Catherine Wheel firework.

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