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quote:I grew up in an unchurched family and attended lots of Easter Egg Hunts, and doubt very much I would have known any more or less about the Resurrection of Christ if they had been called Spring Egg Hunts. Am I missing something here, or is this man a fucking idiot?
O’Reilly points to a handful of small community centers and elementary schools that are hosting “spring egg hunts,” sometimes with a “spring bunny” emceeing the festivities. Nowhere to be found is the word “Easter,” laments O’Reilly, fearful that the nation’s six year olds will one day forget the religious symbolism of crawling around a grassy schoolyard on all fours searching for chocolate-filled plastic eggs....
quote:He is a fucking idiot. Unfortunately we can't call him to Hell. This sort of brittle nonsense makes a mockery of Christians.
Originally posted by mousethief:
Mr. OmigodI'mSoOppressed has gone on record saying that the forces of Liberalism are trying to suppress the Easter bunny. A quote:
quote:I grew up in an unchurched family and attended lots of Easter Egg Hunts, and doubt very much I would have known any more or less about the Resurrection of Christ if they had been called Spring Egg Hunts. Am I missing something here, or is this man a fucking idiot?
O’Reilly points to a handful of small community centers and elementary schools that are hosting “spring egg hunts,” sometimes with a “spring bunny” emceeing the festivities. Nowhere to be found is the word “Easter,” laments O’Reilly, fearful that the nation’s six year olds will one day forget the religious symbolism of crawling around a grassy schoolyard on all fours searching for chocolate-filled plastic eggs....
quote:Not as brilliant as The Daily Show with Jon Stewart's wonderful exposure of The War on Purim!
Originally posted by ToujoursDan:
Creating a war on specifically pagan/fertility symbols of Easter and then casting it as a Christian persecution is pretty brilliant actually. Twisted, but brilliant.
quote:
Originally posted by Hedgehog:
Not as brilliant as The Daily Show with Jon Stewart's wonderful exposure of The War on Purim!
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quote:That's fascinating! I didn't know that. Went and looked it up a little. It appears to be an incompetent translation of πασχα. Yeesh. Everybody else manages to translate it "Passover" which has to be the intention.
Originally posted by Mere Nick:
Maybe he's a KJVO man. Isn't that the only bible translation with the word "Easter" in it?
quote:I've had KJVO types tell me that the KJV trumps even the originals if you were able to put your hands on them. King James was a protestant, O'Reilly is a Roman Catholic getting a twisted scrotum over "Easter". Back when I watched such shows he was interesting but I take all this as a sign to go home now and have a beer while I talk to my sweet wife.
Originally posted by mousethief:
quote:That's fascinating! I didn't know that. Went and looked it up a little. It appears to be an incompetent translation of πασχα. Yeesh. Everybody else manages to translate it "Passover" which has to be the intention.
Originally posted by Mere Nick:
Maybe he's a KJVO man. Isn't that the only bible translation with the word "Easter" in it?
quote:
Originally posted by Ronald Binge:
He is a fucking idiot.
quote:It is not an or, gentlemen, it is an and.
Originally posted by ToujoursDan:
He's the master of the faux-outrage to gain attention and ratings.
quote:They have also spawned a lot of the ridiculous ideas that live in the heads of
Originally posted by Tortuf:
Whatever the reason Fox news has spawned the most hideous of babies, the Tea Partty.*
quote:Actually, it was Rick Santelli on CNBC.
Originally posted by Tortuf:
Whatever the reason Fox news has spawned the most hideous of babies, the Tea Party.*
quote:i) Does the name on the label matter more than the contents?
Originally posted by deano:
Can I ask, why shouldn't we be saddened by dropping the word "Easter" from these sorts of traditional celebrations.
It is Easter you know.
quote:No the content is far nore important.
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
quote:i) Does the name on the label matter more than the contents?
Originally posted by deano:
Can I ask, why shouldn't we be saddened by dropping the word "Easter" from these sorts of traditional celebrations.
It is Easter you know.
ii) What is the scriptural basis for "Easter eggs" and the "Easter bunny"?
quote:If you're running an Easter Egg hunt, you can call it an Easter Egg hunt. If someone else is running a public celebration of spring that includes an egg hunt and who decides it will be more welcoming to non-Christians and non-worshippers of Ēostre who might be participants in public celebrations, then they can do so. The fact that its saddens you and Bill O'Reilly is only a small extra bonus.
Originally posted by deano:
We have Easter eggs and Easter bunnies and have had them for a good while now. Why drop the word Easter?
Come on, you can't deny that on the face of it it does smell vaguely of (whisper it!) political correctness.
What possible reason is there for dropping the word Easter? [/QB]
quote:
Originally posted by Palimpsest:
The fact that its saddens you and Bill O'Reilly is only a small extra bonus.
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quote:Well they can, but it doesn't seem so unreasonable to me that it might be criticised as part of a wider, objectionable pattern of 'political correctness' that doesn't do what it claims to do.
Originally posted by Palimpsest:
If someone else is running a public celebration of spring that includes an egg hunt and who decides it will be more welcoming to non-Christians and non-worshippers of Ēostre who might be participants in public celebrations, then they can do so.
quote:Whether it should be a rule is for the Admins to decide. I'm pleading with you guys to think very hard before posting video links, for the reasons stated.
Originally posted by Twilight:
So, is this a new rule then? No links that take longer than two minutes to view?
How are we to know in advance whether or not the link shows up well in other countries? I live in America but usually have no trouble viewing links originating in the UK if taken from YouTube. OTOH I'm often not able to view links coming from British newspapers. If it doesn't show up or seems to be taking a while to load, or I get bored after a minute or two, I just click back here.
If not for links from this site my life would be much poorer as I would never have seen Vicky Pollard.
quote:My apologies for posting the Jon Stewart links. I'll be more parsimonious in the future so as not to burden Hell hosts with more work.
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Twilight:
[Whether it should be a rule is for the Admins to decide. I'm pleading with you guys to think very hard before posting video links, for the reasons stated.
quote:A charge of political correctness. You don't waste any time pulling out the big guns.
Originally posted by Anglican't:
quote:Well they can, but it doesn't seem so unreasonable to me that it might be criticised as part of a wider, objectionable pattern of 'political correctness' that doesn't do what it claims to do.
Originally posted by Palimpsest:
If someone else is running a public celebration of spring that includes an egg hunt and who decides it will be more welcoming to non-Christians and non-worshippers of Ēostre who might be participants in public celebrations, then they can do so.
quote:Hmm, so in other words, you're saying that if we can use the word 'Easter' for something that happens around the right of time of year but that has absolutely nothing to with the story of Christ's death and resurrection, that's a good thing?
Originally posted by deano:
But that doesn't mean we shouldn't celebrate Easter in all of its glory. We should use the word, not be ashamed of it.
We have Easter eggs and Easter bunnies and have had them for a good while now. Why drop the word Easter?
quote:There is an irony in O'Reilly's and deano's point here. Normally the cry with these sorts of controversies (at least here in the UK) is that this 'political correctness' is being 'imposed' from above.
Originally posted by Palimpsest:
If you're running an Easter Egg hunt, you can call it an Easter Egg hunt. If someone else is running a public celebration of spring that includes an egg hunt and who decides it will be more welcoming to non-Christians and non-worshippers of Ēostre who might be participants in public celebrations, then they can do so. The fact that its saddens you and Bill O'Reilly is only a small extra bonus.
quote:Yep.
Originally posted by Stejjie:
There is an irony in O'Reilly's and deano's point here. Normally the cry with these sorts of controversies (at least here in the UK) is that this 'political correctness' is being 'imposed' from above.
Yet here (AFAICS) no one's made these people drop the word "Easter", no one's forced them to call them Spring whatevers. And yet those objecting to this are now saying they should be called 'Easter' events.
So who's doing the imposing now?
quote:I suppose it is about continuity and familiarity and in a very broad sense 'culture', in the sense that an event can be part of the tapestry of a society's way of life.
Originally posted by Boogie:
And who cares what the event is called, so long as those who attend have fun?
quote:Well, unless you are Orthodox or Eastern Christian of any stripe, then it is properly known as Pascha and not to mention you westerners are usually celebrating it on the wrong date.
Originally posted by deano:
Can I ask, why shouldn't we be saddened by dropping the word "Easter" from these sorts of traditional celebrations.
It is Easter you know.
quote:I was peeved for almost a week when Sea Area Finisterre was renamed Fitzroy, but it removed ambiguity as well as recording the founder of reliable weather forecasting. This renaming was imposed by authority, unlike the one Bill O'Reilly is wailing about. There have been plenty of others, mostly commercial, (Snickers for Marathon, Cif for Jif, Olay for Ulay, the list goes on) and most folk cope with them just fine.
Originally posted by Anglican't:
quote:I suppose it is about continuity and familiarity and in a very broad sense 'culture', in the sense that an event can be part of the tapestry of a society's way of life.
Originally posted by Boogie:
And who cares what the event is called, so long as those who attend have fun?
Event AB is called 'Event AB' and has been for years. Then someone says 'come along to Event CB' which is, in all other respects, the same as the familiar and popular 'Event AB'.
'But this is Event AB', some people cry, 'like the ones that I enjoyed as a child'. 'Aha', comes the rather specious response, 'we're part of a touchy-feely society now so your precious Event AB is a thing of the past as far as we're concerned'.
Perhaps it is harmless, but some people get niggled by that. Of course that doesn't stop some nutjob like O'Reilly coming along and saying 'there is a massively well-organised pro-Event CB front out there who are siphoning their profits to Hamas. Lock and load, people'. But just because he's a bit crazy doesn't mean that some people might not be irritated.
But I'm sensing that's a minority view on here.
quote:Did someone prevent you from having your Easter Egg Hunt? What your saying is, people can't throw event CB and they Owe You An Explanation if they don't throw event AB. They don't, all they have to do is let you do what you want and ignore your attempts to dictate what they have to do.
Originally posted by Anglican't:
quote:I suppose it is about continuity and familiarity and in a very broad sense 'culture', in the sense that an event can be part of the tapestry of a society's way of life.
Originally posted by Boogie:
And who cares what the event is called, so long as those who attend have fun?
Event AB is called 'Event AB' and has been for years. Then someone says 'come along to Event CB' which is, in all other respects, the same as the familiar and popular 'Event AB'.
'But this is Event AB', some people cry, 'like the ones that I enjoyed as a child'. 'Aha', comes the rather specious response, 'we're part of a touchy-feely society now so your precious Event AB is a thing of the past as far as we're concerned'.
Perhaps it is harmless, but some people get niggled by that. Of course that doesn't stop some nutjob like O'Reilly coming along and saying 'there is a massively well-organised pro-Event CB front out there who are siphoning their profits to Hamas. Lock and load, people'. But just because he's a bit crazy doesn't mean that some people might not be irritated.
But I'm sensing that's a minority view on here.
quote:Sioni Sais,
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
Reposted without Officialese BS, following Adminly and Hostly advice :
For a variety of reasons, such as the time it takes them to load, our need to view them in their entirety and the possibility that some may not be visible to shipmates (or hosts) elsewhere in the world, please think twice before you post links to videos, like Youtube and clips from TV shows.
After you have thought about it, and thought about it again, just don't fuckin' do it. Unless it's absolutely essential and short. Five minutes, just for the record, isn't short. Two minutes max, please.
- which reflects my feelings on the matter. It isn't a rule, just a strong personal preference.
Thanks folks,
Sioni
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quote:You're missing something. He has a television program. His job is to attract an audience that will see the advertisements paid for by his sponsors. His market, like those who are on other news type channels, is those who like to see things that will get them riled up.
Originally posted by mousethief:
Am I missing something here, or is this man a fucking idiot?
quote:Settle down sunshine, you’re making yourself look more of an idiot than usual.
Originally posted by orfeo:
quote:Hmm, so in other words, you're saying that if we can use the word 'Easter' for something that happens around the right of time of year but that has absolutely nothing to with the story of Christ's death and resurrection, that's a good thing?
Originally posted by deano:
But that doesn't mean we shouldn't celebrate Easter in all of its glory. We should use the word, not be ashamed of it.
We have Easter eggs and Easter bunnies and have had them for a good while now. Why drop the word Easter?
Excellent. Lots of Easter sales in the shops. Easter football games. Both of my parents can have Easters instead of birthdays (hey, sometimes it even matches pretty well). I'm having Easter breakfasts for the next 2 weeks. Wearing Easter clothes.
Easter editions of my favourite TV shows. And the ones I don't like as well, actually. It will be Easter garbage collection tomorrow night, and probably again in a week's time.
If you ask me, defining Easter as referring to a particular thing rather than referring to every March/April-ish thing under the sun would be a step to be applauded, not fought. Plenty of people no longer have a damn clue what Easter is apart from hot cross buns (the reason for a cross eludes them) and chocolate eggs. So taking the word Easter off the chocolate eggs is actually a perfect opportunity to explain what Easter, as a holiday (literally) is about.
quote:If you'd been paying attention, "sunshine", you'd know that appealing to tradition impresses me not at all. To paraphrase Cyprian, that just means that potentially a mistake was made a long time ago instead of recently.
Originally posted by deano:
We don’t have a tradition of Easter sales, Easter football games or what-have-you.
We do have a tradition of Easter EGGS and Easter BUNNIES.
quote:But who is to decide it was a mistake, then or now? Because I don't think you have the wit to.
Originally posted by orfeo:
quote:If you'd been paying attention, "sunshine", you'd know that appealing to tradition impresses me not at all. To paraphrase Cyprian, that just means that potentially a mistake was made a long time ago instead of recently.
Originally posted by deano:
We don’t have a tradition of Easter sales, Easter football games or what-have-you.
We do have a tradition of Easter EGGS and Easter BUNNIES.
quote:Well, as others have already said, if you can mount a convincing case for a relationship between a rabbit bouncing over the lawn delivering avian chocolates and the Passion Week narratives of the four gospels, I'm quite willing to hear it.
Originally posted by deano:
quote:But who is to decide it was a mistake, then or now? Because I don't think you have the wit to.
Originally posted by orfeo:
quote:If you'd been paying attention, "sunshine", you'd know that appealing to tradition impresses me not at all. To paraphrase Cyprian, that just means that potentially a mistake was made a long time ago instead of recently.
Originally posted by deano:
We don’t have a tradition of Easter sales, Easter football games or what-have-you.
We do have a tradition of Easter EGGS and Easter BUNNIES.
quote:There isn't any. I said so in my first or second post on this thread. Do try to keep up.
Originally posted by orfeo:
quote:Well, as others have already said, if you can mount a convincing case for a relationship between a rabbit bouncing over the lawn delivering avian chocolates and the Passion Week narratives of the four gospels, I'm quite willing to hear it.
Originally posted by deano:
quote:But who is to decide it was a mistake, then or now? Because I don't think you have the wit to.
Originally posted by orfeo:
quote:If you'd been paying attention, "sunshine", you'd know that appealing to tradition impresses me not at all. To paraphrase Cyprian, that just means that potentially a mistake was made a long time ago instead of recently.
Originally posted by deano:
We don’t have a tradition of Easter sales, Easter football games or what-have-you.
We do have a tradition of Easter EGGS and Easter BUNNIES.
quote:Well no, they don't. I've already made that point (or weren't you paying attention?). I've known quite a few people who grew up knowing about the Easter bunny and chocolate eggs without having any clear idea why Easter also had this day called 'Good Friday' attached to it. I actually wouldn't be surprised if my own nephew and niece didn't know that Easter had any Christian religious significance.
Originally posted by deano:
But why bother changing the name of something that has been known by a particular name for centuries? It might not be spiritually correct but everyone knows what is meant!
quote:If I do THAT particular bit of teaching, the whole thing is going to unravel mighty fast. Best rethink the syllabus.
Originally posted by deano:
and that we also give gifts of chocolate to celebrate the end of winter and beginning of spring
quote:Err, no it wont. In exactly the same way that at Christmas we have decorated tree's and yule logs - all symbols of a previous, paganistic celebration that has been superseded by the celebration of Christ’s birth. We’ve kept some of the fun bits, called the Christmas Tree’s and Christmas Cakes at so on, and why not.
Originally posted by orfeo:
quote:If I do THAT particular bit of teaching, the whole thing is going to unravel mighty fast. Best rethink the syllabus.
Originally posted by deano:
and that we also give gifts of chocolate to celebrate the end of winter and beginning of spring
quote:Oh please. I said it was a bit sad. I’m not outraged. This is too facile to be outraged about.
Originally posted by orfeo:
You know, I don't find "and why not" much of a basis for being outraged if someone decides they're going to do it differently. "And why not" is not a basis for fighting against another person's free choice.
"There's nothing wrong with doing it" is hardly a compelling foundation for asserting "there's something wrong with NOT doing it".
Hence the amusement at both Bill O'Reilly's reaction and yours.
quote:Ooh. I love how you went with a double exclamation-marked, slightly aggressive "because they can!!" rather than a simple "why not?".
Originally posted by deano:
quote:Oh please. I said it was a bit sad. I’m not outraged. This is too facile to be outraged about.
Originally posted by orfeo:
You know, I don't find "and why not" much of a basis for being outraged if someone decides they're going to do it differently. "And why not" is not a basis for fighting against another person's free choice.
"There's nothing wrong with doing it" is hardly a compelling foundation for asserting "there's something wrong with NOT doing it".
Hence the amusement at both Bill O'Reilly's reaction and yours.
Is this what outrage looks like to you? Asking why someone has done something? That isn’t outrage, just a request for information.
What you have said, in effect, is “These people don’t have to offer a word of explanation because they have chosen to do this all by themselves”.
Fair enough. I agree, it’s a free country and if that’s what they want to do, good luck. All I was asking is “why?”
I just thought with all the heat and light on this thread that someone could have said “why”. But all you have come up with is “because they can!!”
quote:If it's as effective as the "War on Drugs" and the "War on Terrorism" then it's in no danger whatsoever.
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
So, there is a "War on Easter" now as well? If it is as effective as the "War on Christmas," they will both be celebrated the whole fucking year.
quote:Speak for yourself.
We don’t have a tradition of Easter sales, Easter football games or what-have-you.
quote:There you go again trying to impose your narrative of (whisper it less you get punished) oppressed Christians being forced to abandon labels they love because of the evil Libruls.
Originally posted by deano:
We do have a tradition of Easter EGGS and Easter BUNNIES.
Why drop the word Easter from something that has been used with the word Easter for probably centuries now?
We don’t need to tag it on to new stuff, but why drop it from the old. It can only be because someone believes the word Easter is offensive to some groups of people and has dropped it in order to attract that group to the event.
But who is offended by it, or is the offense actually imaginary; a potential offense that has been thought up by one of the organisers?
quote:Here in the U.S. of A. i've come across the occasional Easter sale. In this country there is nothing that can't be used for marketing purposes
We don’t have a tradition of Easter sales, Easter football games or what-have-you.
quote:Let's be fair - O'Reilly knows nothing of the specific circumstances of the events O'Reilly is fulminating about, so why should our boy deano?
Originally posted by Palimpsest:
[Deano has stated the only reason that it would not be labeled Easter even though he knows nothing of the specific circumstances of the events O'Reilly is fulminating about.
quote:That's really not unusual for a television fulminator. I don't care who it is or what channel they are on.
Originally posted by jbohn:
quote:Let's be fair - O'Reilly knows nothing of the specific circumstances of the events O'Reilly is fulminating about, so why should our boy deano?
Originally posted by Palimpsest:
[Deano has stated the only reason that it would not be labeled Easter even though he knows nothing of the specific circumstances of the events O'Reilly is fulminating about.
quote:Yes, and it shows O'Reilly is a reactionary fuckwit, and it shows the same thing about deano.
Originally posted by jbohn:
Let's be fair - O'Reilly knows nothing of the specific circumstances of the events O'Reilly is fulminating about, so why should our boy deano?
quote:Never heard of the man but he sounds like a pussy in the reactionary stakes, but as a fuckwit, I bow to your skills ms. You are the God of fuckwiticism, and I can't hold a candle to you you. I'd like to but I can't.
Originally posted by mousethief:
quote:Yes, and it shows O'Reilly is a reactionary fuckwit, and it shows the same thing about deano.
Originally posted by jbohn:
Let's be fair - O'Reilly knows nothing of the specific circumstances of the events O'Reilly is fulminating about, so why should our boy deano?
quote:You haven't? Of all the people on TV he is one of them.
Originally posted by deano:
Never heard of the man
quote:I'm not sure but i think deano is in the u.k.
Originally posted by Mere Nick:
quote:You haven't? Of all the people on TV he is one of them.
Originally posted by deano:
Never heard of the man
quote:According to wikipedia Fox News is shown over there. I don't know if they have a British version like the BBC seems to have an American-themed news show here or if it is the same. But then, with all the channels on cable there's lots of shows I've never heard of, either. I do wish Here Comes Honey Boo Boo was one of them. Her mother looks like Ben Franklin in drag.
Originally posted by malik3000:
quote:I'm not sure but i think deano is in the u.k.
Originally posted by Mere Nick:
quote:You haven't? Of all the people on TV he is one of them.
Originally posted by deano:
Never heard of the man
quote:I watch it from time to time, mostly for the fun and laughter effect of some of the ludicrous commentary. Some of the current news coverage is very good, particularly breaking news in the USA. However, I find the comment and commentary on current affairs to be completely right-wing-biased, particularly in the way it represents mainstream news outlets themselves as biased and part of a "liberal conspiracy".
Originally posted by Anglican't:
He is. Fox News is available if one has a Sky subscription (both are owned by Rupert Murdoch) but I doubt many people watch it and the channel has a low profile in the UK, never mind individual presenters.
quote:Selling lots of something proves little. The best selling national newspapers* in Britain are The Sun (c 2.5 million per day) and the Daily Mail (c 1.9m). Our best selling brands in 2009 were Coca-Cola, Warburton's (sliced bread) then Walker's (crisps).
Originally posted by Mere Nick:
In addition to being a talking head, O'Reilly sells lots of books, too.
quote:Sorry Barney, I'm afraid you're another Brit who doesn't realise (or maybe accept) the extent of xenophobia and small-mindedness amongst the British. Maybe I meet more pretty ordinary under-30's (as opposed to the reasonably well-educated ones found on the Ship), but many of "us" have a very nasty streak, with no concept of common humanity.
Originally posted by Barnabas62:
In UK political terms, Fox News is to the right of UKIP, which is to the right of the Tories, which is to the right of the Liberal Democrats, which is to the right of Labour. Given that those mainstream parties give a reasonable picture of the width of general public opinion in the UK, a Fox-type News channel would be unlikely to attract and maintain much of an audience. It would probably get laughed off the air.
quote:I think you do yourself a massive injustice, deano.
Originally posted by deano:
but as a fuckwit, I bow to your skills ms. You are the God of fuckwiticism, and I can't hold a candle to you you. I'd like to but I can't.
quote:I used to dip in and out of it when I had access to Sky (I don't anymore).
Originally posted by Barnabas62:
I watch it from time to time, mostly for the fun and laughter effect of some of the ludicrous commentary.
quote:Does it not prove popularity? I'm not sure what else it's being claimed that it proves.
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
Selling lots of something proves little.
quote:While these things exist, I wouldn't have said that they are overwhelmingly common. How do you think these traits exhibit themselves?
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
Sorry Barney, I'm afraid you're another Brit who doesn't realise (or maybe accept) the extent of xenophobia and small-mindedness amongst the British.
quote:Well, here, for one place.
Originally posted by Anglican't:
quote:While these things exist, I wouldn't have said that they are overwhelmingly common. How do you think these traits exhibit themselves?
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
Sorry Barney, I'm afraid you're another Brit who doesn't realise (or maybe accept) the extent of xenophobia and small-mindedness amongst the British.
quote:I don't deny it proves something, but I don't rate popularity very highly. It's the basis for selecting our government after all, but guarantees little more than an opportunity to remove those we elected.
Originally posted by Anglican't:
quote:Does it not prove popularity? I'm not sure what else it's being claimed that it proves.
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
Selling lots of something proves little.
quote:As I mentioned it's mostly in people a bit younger than me, (maybe not under-30's, possibly 25-40s) both at work and elsewhere. It's what many say, manifest in what they do, and too many are entirely unable to contemplate anything "not like us".
quote:While these things exist, I wouldn't have said that they are overwhelmingly common. How do you think these traits exhibit themselves?
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
Sorry Barney, I'm afraid you're another Brit who doesn't realise (or maybe accept) the extent of xenophobia and small-mindedness amongst the British.
quote:And here I was thinking that the basis for selecting public officials was willful misrepresentation on the officials' part plus willful ignorance on voters'.
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
I don't rate popularity very highly. It's the basis for selecting our government after all, but guarantees little more than an opportunity to remove those we elected.
quote:It proves all you need proven if you are in the business of selling it.
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
Selling lots of something proves little.
quote:
Originally posted by Crœsos:
Speaking of O'Reilly flipping:
O'Reilly 2009: Legalizing same-sex marriage will lead to bestiality!!!
O'Reilly 2013: I have no problem with gay marriage.
For an extra dose of mendacity, that second clip has a tirade about how sleazy Bill Clinton and Barack Obama are for changing their position on the issue.
quote:Perhaps he's tried his hand (or indeed fist!) at a bit of man-sized sheep-worrying, and is now grateful that gay marriage has enabled him to free his inner goat.
Originally posted by Crœsos:
Speaking of O'Reilly flipping:
O'Reilly 2009: Legalizing same-sex marriage will lead to bestiality!!!
O'Reilly 2013: I have no problem with gay marriage.
For an extra dose of mendacity, that second clip has a tirade about how sleazy Bill Clinton and Barack Obama are for changing their position on the issue.