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moron
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I know 'best' is difficult at erm best but for my money I go with a North American Arms 22 Long Rifle Mini Revolver, an impressive piece of engineering. Unloaded it weighs less than five ounces and can arguably kill better than a butter knife. ![[Biased]](wink.gif)
Personally I load the first two chambers with birdshot figuring they're fair warning (you can of course adjust chamber position on the fly depending on the circumstance) and the last three with hollow points presuming some folk are slow on the uptake and need killing. Yes, I know that 22 hollow points won't likely expand much but whatever - I prefer to think the assailants won't.
It fits well in a belt pouch I found at Log Cabin Designs and based on my recent experience at an alleged screening would very likely be unnoticed (the Rolling Stones concert in LV NV - my camera has more metal): nice.
So what do you use to defend yourself?
(I've no affiliation with NAA but they're currently offering rubber grips on this specific handgun as the sale of the month if you're interested.)
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The Midge
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I was at greatest danger of being shot in USA. So I gues my preference for defence is to live on the other side of the pond. Small arms are nicely out of range.
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pimple
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I think I'd just take along a sensible woman. See today's shots of yesterday's encounter with a crazed cleaver-wielder (sorry I can't find a link)in London.
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The Midge
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Originally posted by pimple:
I think I'd just take along a sensible woman. See today's shots of yesterday's encounter with a crazed cleaver-wielder (sorry I can't find a link)in London.
If you can face down a pack of Cub Scouts you can face down anybody.
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Lietuvos Sv. Kazimieras
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Moron, I think you've got the SoF Purgatory board confused with the City-Data Forums Politics and Other Controversies forum.
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ken
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Its simple. Obviously the best hand-gun for concealed carry is a cheaply printd plastic one that blows up and hurts the fool who tried to fire it. If they were all like tht than the rest of us who don't carry guns would be safe from being shot by those that do. Or at least we'd see that they had a gun and could react appropriately.
QED.
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Anselmina
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Originally posted by moron:
So what do you use to defend yourself?
Delighted to say the issue hasn't arisen yet. But then I'm only 48 so there's still a little time left to be in a situation where I might wish I had a gun handy. Though on the other hand there are situations when it's probably been as well I haven't had a gun handy..... ![[Devil]](graemlins/devil.gif)
Read an interview lately when Colin Farrell said he would never have a gun in his US home. Said he couldn't trust himself with it, just in case he ever fell off the wagon. Or if one of his kids got a hold of it and had an accident with it. He seemed to be more afraid of what the presence of a firearm would do, rather than the absence of it.
And having grown up in 1970's Northern Ireland where the chief threat to the public was bomb-blasts - well, not much call for a concealed weapon there either. It would be just one more piece of metal to travel through my body like a knife through butter come the explosion. And possessing personal firearms certainly did no good for those who were, sadly, shot in their own homes. It appears a terrorist assailant is rarely polite enough to permit one the time to fetch it.
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Alisdair
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I favour a thermo-nuclear hand-grenade.
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Leorning Cniht
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Originally posted by pimple:
I think I'd just take along a sensible woman. See today's shots of yesterday's encounter with a crazed cleaver-wielder (sorry I can't find a link)in London.
Sensible women are really hard to conceal, though - have you seen the holster that you need.
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I think this would be best for you moron - I, for one, wouldn't trust you with anything else.
Thank God for bans on all hand guns where I live, concealed or not.
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"The best handgun for concealed carry" around here is not one. If I recall correctly, it's worth at least 4 years in jail and a probable lengthy if not lifetime firearms ban. Someone else may have more specific info.
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Zacchaeus
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Originally posted by The Midge:
quote:
Originally posted by pimple:
I think I'd just take along a sensible woman. See today's shots of yesterday's encounter with a crazed cleaver-wielder (sorry I can't find a link)in London.
If you can face down a pack of Cub Scouts you can face down anybody.
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Zach82
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Bentonville really that much of a hard-knocks town, Moron?
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Marvin the Martian
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Originally posted by moron:
So what do you use to defend yourself?
A well-run police force and judiciary.
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Originally posted by moron:
So what do you use to defend yourself?
My wife can whup anybody.
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Zach82
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I hear a well funded set of social programs is profoundly effective at lowering crime. I wouldn't know myself, being an American, but it sounds credible.
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Jon in the Nati
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Originally posted by Zach82
Bentonville really that much of a hard-knocks town, Moron?
Only when you're a... well, you know...
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DonLogan2
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Originally posted by moron:
So what do you use to defend yourself?
Sarcasm and wit, because they are deadly when mentally jousting with an unarmed opponent.
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Carex
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Originally posted by moron:
So what do you use to defend yourself?
Depends what I am trying to defend against.
For black bears I just sing loudly, and that usually scares them off.
Brown bears might require a 6 gauge shotgun, though it is rather difficult to conceal. Put 8 or 10 slugs in each shell and aim for the shoulders: that slows it down and makes it harder to maul you. A popgun isn't very useful in that case: even with a heart full of .44 slugs they can take unfortunately long to realize that they are supposed to be dead. Government crews in Alaska are required to carry a pair of .375 magnum rifles on each field crew, but the shotgun gives more force at short distances, and if the bear is out of range you aren't in danger yet.
For snakes a walking stick with a forked end is convenient for encouraging them to get out of the way if they aren't already doing so, and can also be used to pin the head down while you cut it off with a shovel or pocket knife. Some folks prefer a .38 loaded with birdshot, but it has a bad habit of making holes in your shoes in tight spots.
The walking stick is good for cougars as well - you want to make yourself look big so it decides not to attack. If it does jump you won't have time to pull a gun, but a judo flip on an outstretched paw might work if you have quick reactions. (Try to twist the cat in the process, as most damage is done with the rear claws.)
I haven't encountered anything else that I've needed to defend myself against.
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Albertus
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quote:
Originally posted by moron:
So what do you use to defend yourself?
As the great Viv Stanshall said, in answer to the same question:
Good manners!
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Barnabas62
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Shipmates, you can have another 2nd Amendment discussion here, that's not a problem.
But let's avoid this thread becoming a discussion of the merits of different named gun brands. This is SoF, not a "Which" survey on the comparative value of specific weapons.
I suspect we've also got to be very cautious re both Commandment 9 and Commandment 7. Selective product promotion isn't on here, nor is anything which might be construed as product misrepresentation. Low legal risk of course; not one we can afford to take, however.
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Lord Jestocost
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Originally posted by Alisdair:
I favour a thermo-nuclear hand-grenade.
Nah. Portable phaser, removed from its handgrip, slips nicely into any pocket or purse, stun and kill settings.
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Hawk
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True Patriots conceal carry a bald eagle. Not only are they deadly in close quarters, they freak out your attacker. And the symbolism is worth every penny.
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Huia
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Handguns are illegal here.
The biggest danger I have to defend myself from is motorists opening their car doors as I ride past. If I hear the latch of a door I scream very loudly.
I didn't work this out logically - it just happened. ![[Hot and Hormonal]](icon_redface.gif)
Apart from that I thank people for giving way (yielding) even if the law requires them to. I believe that courtesy defuses a lot of potentially nasty situations.
I know that sounds naive, but mostly it's worked. The worst time I was attacked I realised that I didn't have it in me to kill someone else, though I did throw a drunk over my hip once when I was younger.
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Personally I am prepared to sic my hens on 'em.
But then, I am an Austalian.
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moron
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quote:
Originally posted by Huia:
The worst time I was attacked I realised that I didn't have it in me to kill someone else, though I did throw a drunk over my hip once when I was younger.
I sometimes wonder if I could pull the trigger but if there ever is a time when an assailant is threatening innocent life I believe I could do it, although with the typical reservations. My tinnitus is bad enough it would have to be a pretty bad situation... I carry earplugs though.
And 'drunk over your hip'? One of the reasons I post here is to elicit stories.
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Originally posted by Leorning Cniht:
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Originally posted by pimple:
I think I'd just take along a sensible woman. See today's shots of yesterday's encounter with a crazed cleaver-wielder (sorry I can't find a link)in London.
Sensible women are really hard to conceal, though - have you seen the holster that you need.
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Originally posted by Leorning Cniht:
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Originally posted by pimple:
I think I'd just take along a sensible woman. See today's shots of yesterday's encounter with a crazed cleaver-wielder (sorry I can't find a link)in London.
Sensible women are really hard to conceal, though - have you seen the holster that you need.
Have you ever met a sensible woman? Is there such a thing?
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It's obvious why you don't meet sensible women, New Yorker.
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Tortuf
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Moron,
Having lived in several areas where anyone wandering out alone at night is likely to get mugged, I took the precaution of not going out at night alone as I had no car.
Having lived in an area of the world where life was cheap, I took the precaution of not going out at night and locking my doors and windows.
As to protection at other times I understand that I am too old and fat to learn one of those fancy self defense techniques. So, I am prepared to hand over my money if someone points a weapon at me. I have no glorious dreams of shooting someone mean and desperate enough to take my life for money.
So, I suppose you could say I protect myself by acting rationally. Try it sometime.
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I expected we were going to have that stupid philosophical discussion about whether it is guns, bullets, or people that kill people.
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Jon in the Nati
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Guns don't kill people. I do.
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Originally posted by Tortuf:
Having lived in several areas where anyone wandering out alone at night is likely to get mugged, I took the precaution of not going out at night alone as I had no car.
Easier to move to a city where there are no areas that dangerous! (There aren't in London)
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LeRoc
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moron: So what do you use to defend yourself?
My dog usually keeps too obtrusive people at bay.
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Originally posted by Jon in the Nati:
Guns don't kill people. I do.
Is there something you would like to tell us, Mr Nati?
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EtymologicalEvangelical
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Originally posted by moron
So what do you use to defend yourself?
Generally I use a technique called "not feeding paranoid delusions and obsessions about hypothetical situations of conflict".
I highly recommend it.
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When Jons in the Nati are outlawed, only outlaws will have Jons in the Nati.
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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
quote:
Originally posted by moron:
So what do you use to defend yourself?
A well-run police force and judiciary.
Indeed. Under the Firearms Act (Canada) and the Criminal Code of Canada, the only people who may carry handguns are armoured car guards (some, but not all) and a handful of people who work in very remote areas.
Handguns in Canada
There was one elderly gentleman in my town who went a bit gaga and developed the unfortunate habit of brandishing a rifle when greeting strangers at his door.
The police paid him a visit and took his guns away.
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My sharp tongue is like a two edged sword. That is all the weapon I need. Anyone who carries a gun is a fool in my opinion.
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Callan
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Originally posted by Carex:
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Brown bears might require a 6 gauge shotgun, though it is rather difficult to conceal.
IIRC, Omar from The Wire favoured a long coat to conceal his shotgun.
As far as the weapon in the OP is concerned a .22 suffers from a lack of penetration and, in the event of a Sandy Hook style incident the OPer is likely to be gunned down whilst fiddling with his piece.
Still, a Freudian would say that lack of penetration and fiddling with one's inadequate piece offers a contributory explanation for America's love affair with the gun so it seems strangely appropriate somehow. Bummer of an epitaph, though.
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moron
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Originally posted by Gildas:
As far as the weapon in the OP is concerned a .22 suffers from a lack of penetration and, in the event of a Sandy Hook style incident the OPer is likely to be gunned down whilst fiddling with his piece.
Still, a Freudian would say that lack of penetration and fiddling with one's inadequate piece offers a contributory explanation for America's love affair with the gun so it seems strangely appropriate somehow. Bummer of an epitaph, though.
Not that a barrel barely over an inch long allows for much velocity but it's not a slow round and tends to spin around inside the target; I've often thought I'd rather be shot with a .38.
'At least he died trying SOMETHING': could be worse.
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Frankly, one is always better off hanging around with blonde friends who carry hattori hanzo.
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Originally posted by moron:
'At least he died trying SOMETHING': could be worse.
Yeah. It's possibly slightly better than "He got a whole bunch of people killed by drawing a gun in a tense situation and survived."
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moron
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Originally posted by Justinian:
Yeah. It's possibly slightly better than "He got a whole bunch of people killed by drawing a gun in a tense situation and survived."
I prefer:
"Man, flouting statist laws prohibiting his human and constitutional rights to arm himself as he damn well pleases, wounds assailant ending risk to innocents. He shrugged off hero accolades by saying 'aw shucks - anyone could have done the same, unless they're lemming types'."
It's a bit long I admit but you just need to reduce font size on the grave stone.
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L'organist
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Is there really such risk living in a place such as Bentonville?
Confirms that its best to live on the European side of the Atlantic...
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Albertus
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Originally posted by moron:
...I've often thought I'd rather be shot with a .38...
Well, don't let us stop you.
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Callan
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Originally posted by moron:
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Originally posted by Gildas:
As far as the weapon in the OP is concerned a .22 suffers from a lack of penetration and, in the event of a Sandy Hook style incident the OPer is likely to be gunned down whilst fiddling with his piece.
Still, a Freudian would say that lack of penetration and fiddling with one's inadequate piece offers a contributory explanation for America's love affair with the gun so it seems strangely appropriate somehow. Bummer of an epitaph, though.
Not that a barrel barely over an inch long allows for much velocity but it's not a slow round and tends to spin around inside the target; I've often thought I'd rather be shot with a .38.
'At least he died trying SOMETHING': could be worse.
Really, if you're going to pull that thing you want the immediate capability to off someone so, ideally, you need a '45 with a round in the chamber in case anyone ponderin'. A '22 with two rounds of birdshot means that in a life or death situation you are wasting vital seconds mucking around trying to find the right bullet which, I understand, is a bit more stressful when someone is discharging live ammunition in your general direction than on the target range.
Whilst being hit by a '22 isn't pretty they can be rather easily deterred by, for example, strategically placed cigarette cases which, if a homicidal loon is trying to put a cap in your ass, to use the vernacular, is somewhat less than optimal. In any scenario where you are going to be pulling a gun you need to be able and willing to kill someone. That is what they are there for. If you are reading this in Somalia or Syria or you rob drug dealers for a living then you need a weapon that is optimally lethal. If you are a law abiding citizen then really, you do not need a gun especially not at Rolling Stones concert which, lets face it, attracts a rather different demographic than they did back in the day when they had the Hells Angels as security.
Basically, in the event of your squaring off with someone who knows what they are doing with a gun my money is on an extremely tragic 'Alas, poor Moron' thread in All Saints accompanied by a 'Why God, why?' thread in Hell. You are basically carrying a gun of doubtful efficacy in the event that you will actually need it because you want to stick it to The Man. On behalf of The Man let me say leave the wretched thing at home, locked away securely. And if you are concerned with your masculinity then check your spam filter. There is almost certainly someone prepared to sell you some blue pills that can help with that.
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Back in the day shipmste who was a gun owner (and who often posted on a gun site) dropped an OP into SoF by mistake. At least he admitted to it and we had a laugh.
Concealed gun? Lord Jesus Christ have mercy on me a sinner.
Fly extra safe. Pyx_e
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