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Posted by Emily Windsor-Cragg (# 17687) on :
 
Here's WHY Annunaki history on this planet is important for us humans to know AND WHY it has been a closely guarded secret. It's really fairly simple what happened here on this planet that warrants and precipitates war every generation, century-after-century:

1. Physics runs the Physical 3D surface of this planet according to Darwinian Law of the Jungle and Law of Physics: Opposites attract.
2. Mental Energy runs the Subjective surfaces we call "Heaven" according to Thought Groups and Ideologies.
3. Hell in two-dimensions comprises soul-spirits waiting their turn to live again, but where no processes exists for them to incarnate.

Annunaki from Orion are from the Mental Plane, from the ultraviolet and subtle dimension although they share DNA-coding with us and they are our genetic cousins, mutual Children of YHVH.

But Annunaki are way ahead, a million years ahead, and they decided 450,000 years ago to OWN the Physical Planet we live on after they destroyed the surface of their own physical planet by powdering their polluted atmosphere with minerals; and they chose to run our Physical Planet the same way they run the Mental Plane (and their planet Nibiru), to wit:

o--Creation is All One,
o--Perceptions are Unreal,
o--Like Attracts Like,
o--Do what thou wilt,
o--As Above, So Below.

These principles result in the behavioral non-accountability of Occult & New Age partisans. They teach Complacency as their most ethical doctrine.
It's Annunaki theology known by many names. But unfortunately, it doesn't work OUT in physical Physics--as they intended. Physical Physics declares:

o--Life expresses Diversity (not Uniformity),
o--Perceptions are real and essential to command of causes and effects,
o--Opposites Attract (Good attracts Trouble; Evil attracts Security) therefore, Accountability to behavioral Laws is essential for Peace.
o--Belief systems that manifest in the Subjective are just ideologies clanking around in peoples' heads; outcome are determined by Behavior--not Beliefs.

Thus in Physical existence, we are accountable for effects, results and outcomes of Behavior, and thought systems are secondary or tertiary.

An even application of Civil Laws against Creating Harm & Undue Costs OR Cheating relationships or Law and Operating by Deceit--can indeed create social outcomes of Good for Good People and Disrupt Evil people even in a Physical world where "opposites attract" is at work everyday.

We here in the Physical have to follow the guidance of Justice, by our behavior. And Justice has nothing to do with Ideology. It's empirical.

But Human Elites took up the Annunaki dogma and ran with it in their secret societies, associations and fraternities. Hierarchies, one by one, took over "governance by consent of the governed," overturned Common Law and substituted Commercial predatory and parasitic Laws of the Sea, of the Admiralty--Roman Laws.

As a result, today, Good people attract Trouble and Woe and Evil people are secure in their beds.

Moreover, the New Age and Occult pseudoscience of Astrology rationalizes whatever happens to Good People (They must not have been good enough, right?)

Moneyed Elites profiteer on sheeple, operate from "Jerk and Dangle," create Byzantine, dizzying and stupefying Rules so common law and commonsense cannot operate human societies today.

Whole disciplines have been co-opted: Anthropology, History, Religion, Astrophysics and Space Science are all run on the "Peer-review" system that culls novel and innovative thinking, keeps scholars in their Annunaki/ Globalist/ Zionist/ Fascist/ Illuminist thought-grooves.

As above, so below is an unsane prescription for controlling two planets running--not by the two different sets of operating principles as in two different dimensions but with subjective Law imposed upon the physical plane as thought controls, political-correctness, nepotism, elitism and Not-See-ism.

Not-see-ism means, not seeing nor caring about outcomes of hierarchy dictatorial governance upon working classes.

Laws of Moses (except where they get into revenge-killing) are what will set this planet straight to Justice, Behavior and Outcomes.

But there can be NO Peace so long as Occult teachings--All One, Perceptions are Unreal, Like Attracts Like, Do what thou wilt, As Above, So Below--are running the Planetary Game Show called New World Order. They're ALL ONE, alright, all for themselves and only themselves, with no corporate accountability even in sight.

EEWC
 

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Posted by Martin PC not & Ship's Biohazard (# 368) on :
 
How does this comfort the afflicted Emily ?
 

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Posted by Emily Windsor-Cragg (# 17687) on :
 
This "plot" complicates things beyond what we know from Scripture. History does move on. Scripture is 2-4 thousand years old.

The people who can become aware and understand it are those charged with that task: to comfort the afflicted.

I think if we simply CONTINUE to follow Jesus' Teachings about behavior and how we treat people, that is what will comfort the afflicted.

Em
 

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Posted by Pulsator Organorum Ineptus (# 2515) on :
 
Just imagine - having the time and patience to write such a long post of total bollocks. Aewsome!
 

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Posted by Martin PC not & Ship's Biohazard (# 368) on :
 
What a fascinating mind. Which is dangerously ad hominem, even when positive, which this is. Emily, I just want to accentuate the positive. And your thinking contains that. In my affliction, so does mine. As for external evil, I find it best to ignore it. To come back it with ... embrace, with acknowledgement at, of its pain, at its loss if I can.

As I do of my afflicted self, my self-harmed self, my other harming self.

It's so acute sometimes that that is difficult. External and internal. And in psychological, existential truth, there is no external. Only what comes out of a person in response to stimuli.

I have compassion on the Boston murderers but NOT Hazell, the murderer of Tia Sharp in London last year. Bridger, the murderer of April Jones also last year, leaves me furrow browed, as do the Woolwich murderers.

We must let the future - where ALL will be well - break in to the present Em.

eM

[ 23. May 2013, 21:55: Message edited by: Martin PC not & Ship's Biohazard ]
 

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Posted by Golden Key (# 1468) on :
 
ISTM you're both calling for the Kingdom of God, by various ways and from various angles.

Emily is adamantly against lies and manipulation and secrets (about anything), and for following the teachings of Jesus. (I'm guessing primarily the practical, behavior-oriented stuff, like the Sermon on the Mount?)

Martin, passionately mystic, acknowledges both good and evil; chooses to focus more on good than on external evil; works at facing internal pain; and wants the kingdom to break through on earth. (With a nice "ALL will be well) shout-out to Juliana of Norwich!)

There's a great film called "Hand in Hand", about two kids--one RC and one Jewish. They have an adventure, which leaves the girl injured. Outside her house, their rabbi and priest are arguing about their views of the situation. The little boy says, "you're both really saying the same thing".

And yes, I know there are significant differences. But I think you're both ultimately trying to head for the same place.



(The views of this poster are neither endorsed by nor necessarily reflective of those of this station, its advertisers, Emperor Norton, Julian of Norwich, Zachariah Sitchin, or Art Bell. T-shirts, bumperstickers, and inspirational leaflets are available...)

[ 24. May 2013, 00:44: Message edited by: Golden Key ]
 

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Posted by Emily Windsor-Cragg (# 17687) on :
 
If you really, really want to "stir the pot" --

... ask your Masonic and Chivalric Order friends whether what I've told you is true or false.

... And then >watch< them ~SqUiRm~

Em
 

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Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :
 

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Originally posted by Martin PC not & Ship's Biohazard:
What a fascinating mind. Which is dangerously ad hominem, even when positive, which this is.

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Originally posted by Pulsator Organorum Ineptus:
Just imagine - having the time and patience to write such a long post of total bollocks. Aewsome!

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True! I use a screen reader, Synthetic Dave, who reads everything in a correct way, whether it makes sense or not! Having listened to the whole OP, I wonder why EEWC is not a Sci-Fi writer ... or maybe she is? I don't know. But that's where her ideas belong.
 

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Posted by SusanDoris (# 12618) on :
 
Having now read the posts between the one I quoted and here, I see that comments on the post might be taken as ad hominem. I hope this is not the case.
 

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Posted by First Witness (# 14138) on :
 

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Originally posted by Emily Windsor-Cragg:
Here's WHY Annunaki history on this planet is important for us humans to know AND WHY it has been a closely guarded secret. It's really fairly simple what happened here on this planet that warrants and precipitates war every generation, century-after-century:

1. Physics runs the Physical 3D surface of this planet according to Darwinian Law of the Jungle and Law of Physics: Opposites attract.
2. Mental Energy runs the Subjective surfaces we call "Heaven" according to Thought Groups and Ideologies.
3. Hell in two-dimensions comprises soul-spirits waiting their turn to live again, but where no processes exists for them to incarnate.

Annunaki from Orion are from the Mental Plane, from the ultraviolet and subtle dimension although they share DNA-coding with us and they are our genetic cousins, mutual Children of YHVH.

But Annunaki are way ahead, a million years ahead, and they decided 450,000 years ago to OWN the Physical Planet we live on after they destroyed the surface of their own physical planet by powdering their polluted atmosphere with minerals; and they chose to run our Physical Planet the same way they run the Mental Plane (and their planet Nibiru), to wit:

o--Creation is All One,
o--Perceptions are Unreal,
o--Like Attracts Like,
o--Do what thou wilt,
o--As Above, So Below.

These principles result in the behavioral non-accountability of Occult & New Age partisans. They teach Complacency as their most ethical doctrine.
It's Annunaki theology known by many names. But unfortunately, it doesn't work OUT in physical Physics--as they intended. Physical Physics declares:

o--Life expresses Diversity (not Uniformity),
o--Perceptions are real and essential to command of causes and effects,
o--Opposites Attract (Good attracts Trouble; Evil attracts Security) therefore, Accountability to behavioral Laws is essential for Peace.
o--Belief systems that manifest in the Subjective are just ideologies clanking around in peoples' heads; outcome are determined by Behavior--not Beliefs.

Thus in Physical existence, we are accountable for effects, results and outcomes of Behavior, and thought systems are secondary or tertiary.

An even application of Civil Laws against Creating Harm & Undue Costs OR Cheating relationships or Law and Operating by Deceit--can indeed create social outcomes of Good for Good People and Disrupt Evil people even in a Physical world where "opposites attract" is at work everyday.

We here in the Physical have to follow the guidance of Justice, by our behavior. And Justice has nothing to do with Ideology. It's empirical.

But Human Elites took up the Annunaki dogma and ran with it in their secret societies, associations and fraternities. Hierarchies, one by one, took over "governance by consent of the governed," overturned Common Law and substituted Commercial predatory and parasitic Laws of the Sea, of the Admiralty--Roman Laws.

As a result, today, Good people attract Trouble and Woe and Evil people are secure in their beds.

Moreover, the New Age and Occult pseudoscience of Astrology rationalizes whatever happens to Good People (They must not have been good enough, right?)

Moneyed Elites profiteer on sheeple, operate from "Jerk and Dangle," create Byzantine, dizzying and stupefying Rules so common law and commonsense cannot operate human societies today.

Whole disciplines have been co-opted: Anthropology, History, Religion, Astrophysics and Space Science are all run on the "Peer-review" system that culls novel and innovative thinking, keeps scholars in their Annunaki/ Globalist/ Zionist/ Fascist/ Illuminist thought-grooves.

As above, so below is an unsane prescription for controlling two planets running--not by the two different sets of operating principles as in two different dimensions but with subjective Law imposed upon the physical plane as thought controls, political-correctness, nepotism, elitism and Not-See-ism.

Not-see-ism means, not seeing nor caring about outcomes of hierarchy dictatorial governance upon working classes.

Laws of Moses (except where they get into revenge-killing) are what will set this planet straight to Justice, Behavior and Outcomes.

But there can be NO Peace so long as Occult teachings--All One, Perceptions are Unreal, Like Attracts Like, Do what thou wilt, As Above, So Below--are running the Planetary Game Show called New World Order. They're ALL ONE, alright, all for themselves and only themselves, with no corporate accountability even in sight.

EEWC

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Originally posted by Pulsator Organorum Ineptus:
Just imagine - having the time and patience to write such a long post of total bollocks. Aewsome!

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Originally posted by daronmedway:
Emily,

I wonder if you could explain the thinking behind your use of CAPS. Is it just for emphasis, or is it to flag up the words from your personal vocabulary that mean something totally different than your average dictionary?

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Probably just an affectation with no grammatical validity, like saying "different than".
 

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Posted by LeRoc (# 3216) on :
 
I would like to have a serious conversation with a Wiccan some day about her beliefs. The four or five Wiccans I've met all talked like ... well, Emily.
 

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Posted by EtymologicalEvangelical (# 15091) on :
 

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Originally posted by quetzalcoatl
...are religious ideas any less bizarre?

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The belief that there was Nothing and Nothing happened to Nothing and then Nothing magically exploded for No reason, creating everything and then a bunch of everything magically rearranged itself for No reason whatsoever into self-replicating bits which then turned into dinosaurs.

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Originally posted by EtymologicalEvangelical:
Emily talks about beings from another planet. Bizarre, yes.

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Originally posted by Golden Key:
--"As Above, So Below": AIUI, this refers to consistent patterns in Nature. What is true at one level is true at another. Macrocosm and microcosm.

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--"Do As Thou Wilt": That's the first part of the Wiccan Rede. "Do as thou wilt, an* it harm none." Does having that missing piece make a difference in your view of it?

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Originally posted by malik3000:

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I know! Holy unreality, Batman!

BTW, malik, you know me as "Paddy O'Furniture".
 

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Posted by Golden Key (# 1468) on :
 

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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
The idea of beings from another planet that is in close proximity to Earth without anyone noticing it or there being any gravitational or astronomical effects, and who are influencing/controlling political elites on a global scale is what's so bizarre.

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Originally posted by passer:
Golden Key - as you point out, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, as in a little (partial) understanding.

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Originally posted by daronmedway:
Emily,

I wonder if you could explain the thinking behind your use of CAPS. Is it just for emphasis, or is it to flag up the words from your personal vocabulary that mean something totally different than your average dictionary?

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Probably just an affectation with no grammatical validity, like saying "different than".

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OK, DIfFeRenT TO then. bEttEr?

[ 24. May 2013, 16:27: Message edited by: daronmedway ]
 

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Posted by Matt Black (# 2210) on :
 
"dIfFerEnT fRom"?, shurely?
 

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Posted by passer (# 13329) on :
 
˙N∀H┴ ɹǝʌǝu ʇnq 'WOɹℲ ɹo O┴ ɹǝɥʇıƎ
 

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Posted by Barnabas62 (# 9110) on :
 
Fun over, people. Back to the thread, if you can.

Barnabas62
Purgatory Host
 

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Posted by Doublethink (# 1984) on :
 
Emily, what do you wish to discuss here that is different from the other Annunaki threads ? Please could you post a clarification.

We do not normally permit multiple threads on the same topic - unless there is a clearly different angle to the discussion. Otherwise the board can swamped.

Doublethink
Purgatory Host
 

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Posted by Emily Windsor-Cragg (# 17687) on :
 

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Originally posted by daronmedway:
Emily,

I wonder if you could explain the thinking behind your use of CAPS. Is it just for emphasis, or is it to flag up the words from your personal vocabulary that mean something totally different than your average dictionary?

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I'm so sorry about that. When I'm in "typing mode" they just COME OUT! And I actually have to go back over the text, to remove them.

If they're just too obnoxious, tell me and I'll make sure they all get removed before I post.

Em

[ETA Fixed code, DT, Purgatory Host]

[ 24. May 2013, 19:13: Message edited by: Doublethink ]
 

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Posted by Boogie (# 13538) on :
 
Emily, I am dyslexic an find caps very hard to read
 

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Posted by Lietuvos Sv. Kazimieras (# 11274) on :
 
Is this a new Doctor Who thread?
 

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Posted by Emily Windsor-Cragg (# 17687) on :
 
Originally posted by Golden Key:
Emily--

Questions re some of the wrong principles that you list upthread:

--"As Above, So Below": AIUI, this refers to consistent patterns in Nature. What is true at one level is true at another. Macrocosm and microcosm. Do you have a different understanding?

Yes, I believe you are speaking correctly about Fractals, which are patterns that exist at every scale. The human body programmed by YHVH's DNA-code is one such fractal, and this is why humans have existed from 1 ft to 36 ft tall, in the Physical. And this is why it was written, "Let us make man in our image and after our likeness" in Genesis. ... The movement of energy has a different dynamic, always from negative to positive; and human interactions follow the path of energy, a question being negative and an affirmative statement actuating a positive response, opposite in intention.

--"Do As Thou Wilt": That's the first part of the Wiccan Rede. "Do as thou wilt, an* it harm none." Does having that missing piece make a difference in your view of it?

Absolutely. Luciferians have no problem creating harm in order to remove souls, test souls or entrain souls in trauma-based mind control techniques.

--"All is One": You put this aside in favor of diversity. But ISTM that both are true. Small example: a human being is made up of all sorts of diverse stuff at many levels--but it all coexists as one person.

True! But when All One is used as I describe it, as a rationale for excusing Evil, Harm, Deceit, Waste and Corruption, that's a bad use of the concept of Unity.

I sometimes wonder if *we* humans all make together some kind of...something or someone. (For me, that's one kind of "As Above, So Below".)

Oo! That's subtle! I have seen photo images in which a large "human person" contained the figures of smaller human persons. So I can't say for sure, but I suspect you're on to something.

--You mentioned living where you're surrounded by New Agers. Have they been throwing these principles at you?

My best buddy who runs meditation classes at the Methodist Church, is an evangelical Buddhist, and he literally showers me with New Age dogma. But when I explain how that affects my own personal viewpoint, he's amazed! And he declares I'm right!! So he and I go through this dance all the time. I call Allan my personal Buddha, and what he's best at is calming me down when I get into a personal snit.

Thanks for asking.

Emily


Thx.


*an = if, as long as. [/qb]

Code improvement
-Gwai

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Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :
 
How come nobody bitches about CAPS to Motherboard?

But sorry, perhaps that is the subject for AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT THREAD.
 

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Posted by Emily Windsor-Cragg (# 17687) on :
 

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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:

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Originally posted by EtymologicalEvangelical:
Emily talks about beings from another planet. Bizarre, yes.

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The idea of beings from another planet is nothing exceptional at all.

The idea of beings from another planet that is in close proximity to Earth without anyone noticing it or there being any gravitational or astronomical effects, and who are influencing/controlling political elites on a global scale is what's so bizarre.

Anybody here read [qi]The Holographic Paradigm ?[/qi] I think it was published in the 1980s.

I simply integrated that concept into my Reality, so when I ran into observatory webcam images in which Nibiru is only visible in ultraviolet and upper ranges of colored "black light" I realized their form of matter vibrates at a different frequency from ours.

So I just accepted the apparent fact that Nibiru doesn't disturb our gravity-well at all, nor the electro-magnetic spectrum of our planet because we're "on different radio stations."

This is WHY all my Nibiru foreground images are totally black because I had to remove all the white-light COLORS in order to see what was "left in black light," which is not dark, by the way.

Black light has colors too: cyan, magenta and yellow; so Nibirans see colors in their black-environment--just NO red or orange and very little green. I understand, it looks from here as if their vegetation is actually BLUE.

The most beautiful panorama I have of Nibiru is here:

http://www.scienfree.org/Elenin_Files/130413lick2_1500T.png

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Originally posted by Doublethink:
Emily, what do you wish to discuss here that is different from the other Annunaki threads ? Please could you post a clarification.

We do not normally permit multiple threads on the same topic - unless there is a clearly different angle to the discussion. Otherwise the board can swamped.

Doublethink
Purgatory Host

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Originally posted by Emily Windsor-Cragg:
...I realized their form of matter vibrates at a different frequency from ours.

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I had to remove all the white-light COLORS in order to see what was "left in black light," which is not dark, by the way... Black light has colors too: cyan, magenta and yellow

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I'm fairly scientifically literate but these phrases have rather stumped me!
 

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Posted by Golden Key (# 1468) on :
 

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Originally posted by Golden Key:
--"As Above, So Below": AIUI, this refers to consistent patterns in Nature. What is true at one level is true at another. Macrocosm and microcosm.

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"As above, so below" is one of the seven principles of Hermeticism - which is the basis of much of the Western esoteric traditions.

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Yes. Skimmed the Wikipedia article on Hermeticism last night.

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--"Do As Thou Wilt": That's the first part of the Wiccan Rede. "Do as thou wilt, an* it harm none." Does having that missing piece make a difference in your view of it?

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Actually, "Do as thou wilt", without the bit that follows, is Aleister Crowley's doctrine. "Do as thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law."

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Ahhhh...which perhaps explains a bit about him!


Thanks, Ariel.
 

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Posted by Golden Key (# 1468) on :
 
Emily--

Re your "rant on Anunaki culture":

I agree with you, as far as people getting power, creating hierarchies to institutionalize that power, treating other people as things, and generally making the world much worse.

But I'm not so sure we need aliens to account for all that--or demons, for that matter. People screw up; they make bad choices; they think that being in power makes them better, safer, and more important than the less powerful--and they'll do anything to keep that power. Etc.

In the words of Walt Kelly's character Pogo, "We have met the enemy, and he is us".

FWIW.

BTW, have you read Daniel Quinn's novel, "Ishmael"? It's yet another interpretation of this whole thing--including seeing the dispute between Cain and Abel as a fight between "taker" culture and "leaver" culture.
 

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Posted by Emily Windsor-Cragg (# 17687) on :
 
Well, maybe we can agree to disagree.

The Annunaki may have been "aliens" 450,000 years ago, but they have saturated our society, culture and Law with meta-physical posturing that propagates and entrains people in complacency, classism, sexism, exploitation and slavery.

If we the people can't see where these negative tendencies are coming from--all from the same cultural ideology vested in us all these centuries--we'll never fix it. We'll never be able to restore nor hold to "governance by consent of the governed" again.

Emily
 

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Posted by Lothiriel (# 15561) on :
 

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The most beautiful panorama I have of Nibiru is here:

http://www.scienfree.org/Elenin_Files/130413lick2_1500T.png

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It's really fairly simple what happened here on this planet that warrants and precipitates war every generation, century-after-century:

1. Physics runs the Physical 3D surface of this planet according to Darwinian Law of the Jungle and Law of Physics: Opposites attract.

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2. Mental Energy runs the Subjective surfaces we call "Heaven" according to Thought Groups and Ideologies.

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3. Hell in two-dimensions comprises soul-spirits waiting their turn to live again, but where no processes exists for them to incarnate.

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Annunaki from Orion are from the Mental Plane, from the ultraviolet and subtle dimension although they share DNA-coding with us and they are our genetic cousins, mutual Children of YHVH.

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http://www.scienfree.org/Elenin_Files/130413lick2_1500T.png

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[qb] Umm -- is there supposed to be an image of a planet there? I don't see anything in the sky of that photo except for sort of swirly clouds.
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Let's look again, more closely. I keep saying, Nibiru is a black-light planet, so the colors are unlike ours.

I keep saying, it's huge--fills half our skies around the sun, and another third around our Moon.

So, what you are looking at here is a landmass lit with black light scretching across the western sky.

I have one image I got at Fukushima, Japan, of Nibiru, and it fills the eastern sky.

Nibiru from Japan looking East.

It fills the sky, and it's so close you can see architecture, waterways, roadways ... civil society.

But it's all in black-light, so the webcams miss it all. [I've asked a friend to take some photo images for me with his Nightshot camera. We'll see what comes up. ]
 

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Posted by Emily Windsor-Cragg (# 17687) on :
 

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Originally posted by QLib:
Emily, some of the things you say aren't easy to understand because you appear to be using some terms in ways that don't fit with common understanding. It seems to me that you don't really have the language to convey what your understanding is, and the terms you are using just cause greater confuison. You appear to be using the language of science to attempt to deny our current scientific understanding of how the world is constructed - it seems to me that doesn't really work, partly because it gives rise to the suspicion that you don't really understand the science you zre attempting to deny.

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That I don't appear to have the language to describe what I'm describing has to be the understatement of the week.

I don't know if you intended to be funny, but I'm still rolling on the floor, my sides aching from laughter.

"Who's on first, what's on second, and Idunno's on third base!" comes to mind.



I'll try to improve, is all I can offer you.
 

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Posted by Ariel (# 58) on :
 

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Originally posted by Emily Windsor-Cragg:
I have one image I got at Fukushima, Japan, of Nibiru, and it fills the eastern sky.

Nibiru from Japan looking East.

It fills the sky, and it's so close you can see architecture, waterways, roadways ... civil society.

But it's all in black-light, so the webcams miss it all.

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Originally posted by Emily Windsor-Cragg:
I don't know if you intended to be funny, but I'm still rolling on the floor, my sides aching from laughter.

"Who's on first, what's on second, and Idunno's on third base!" comes to mind.



I'll try to improve, is all I can offer you.

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Emily Windsor-Cragg: we're now in a different solar system than we were in prior to September 26, 2011.

Anybody else notice that?

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My hope is, I'm not the only person on this planet who has noticed, we're now in a different solar system than we were in prior to September 26, 2011.

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Originally posted by Jon in the Nati:

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My hope is, I'm not the only person on this planet who has noticed, we're now in a different solar system than we were in prior to September 26, 2011.

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What happened on September 26, 2011?

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Well according to my sources (Google) the comet Elenin was in alignment with the sun and Chili had the biggest earthquake in human history. Maybe the jolt sent us over.
 

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Posted by Emily Windsor-Cragg (# 17687) on :
 
Hmm. That's an interesting idea because Chile is in the southern hemisphere, and that is the direction from which Nibiru approached.

Thanks for sharing.

Em
 

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Posted by Timothy the Obscure (# 292) on :
 

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I simply integrated that concept into my Reality

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Originally posted by Emily Windsor-Cragg:

On Sept 25th at 5:17:17 pm "Comet Elenin" came between Earth and our OldSol Sun

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That's what my photo images show is true: Earth is in a tight formation with Nemesis and Nibiru, and this is apparent because there is no black empty space around either this sun or our old moon; moreover, the sky over our heads is changing, but astronomers are still using star maps and obsolete equipment.

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But I'll keep a straight face if you will. Em

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Originally posted by Barnabas62:
Of course, apparently eccentric views can become accepted as the best available explanation of physical realities. Einstein's highly unusual views moved into general acceptance when observations backed up by accurate instrumental checks showed that they cohered with the measurable external world. That's the sort of change which can arise through careful verification. [/QB]

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I think that too much is made of view of Einstein as the eccentric maverick whose views were eventually accepted. He had no difficulty in getting his three seminal papers published in his annus mirabilis of 1905*, and when his paper on General Relativity was published in 1915, it was persuasive enough for Arthur Eddington to set about organizing an expedition to make observations at an eclipse just 4 years later, which made specific experimental verification of the light bending predicted by the theory.

I'm never impressed by people who say, in effect, "people didn't believe Einstein, but he was eventually proved right; people don't believe me, therefore I am right."

*It was his paper that on Special Relativity which everyone knows about from that year. But it was one of the other two which gained him his Nobel Prize in 1921 (i.e. not that much later). No prizes but maybe a little kudos for knowing the subjects of the other two 1905 paper - without looking them up!
 

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Posted by Barnabas62 (# 9110) on :
 
[tangent]
Higgs Bosun

Point taken. I was talking about the more general moves to acceptability. The attempts to earth General Relativity by means of observation were made because they were thought necessary. General and Special Relativity, though the products of a remarkable insight, are also examples of counter-intuitive theories which turn out to be better than prior theories (or "common sense"). In that sense, they were certainly eccentric for a while, so far as more general acceptance goes.

BTW have you seen this?. In itself it is a remarkable example of the way the scientific community is prepared to test and retest observations and measurements. One can state conclusively now, following the 1979 re-analysis, that Eddington's eclipse survey results did indeed falsify Newtonian mechanics, did give some indication of light-bending, and therefore a favourable pointer towards General Relativity. But at the time, he may have stretched a point or two, based on a judgment which has been confirmed subsequently.

I always enjoy watching the scientific community at work over issues like this. Stones are not left unturned.

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[ 25. May 2013, 10:00: Message edited by: Barnabas62 ]
 

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Posted by Barnabas62 (# 9110) on :
 
A bit of Hostly business. Doublethink is right to ask questions over the ongoing need for this thread, which overlaps with both the "HISTORY" and the "Annanuki" threads. Purg Hosts probably need a further chat re thread rationalisation - and this particular Purg Host has just added to problems by seeking to engage.

Happy for things to "lie where they fall" meantimes. Please carry on "as you are led".

B62, Purg Host
 

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Higgs Bosun: I think that too much is made of view of Einstein as the eccentric maverick whose views were eventually accepted.

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Originally posted by Martin PC not & Ship's Biohazard:
@ Twilight. 1960 isn't 2010.

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Oh. Sorry. Last night I could have sworn my source said the earthquake in Chili was on September 26, 2011 but this morning it looks like maybe the earthquake article was written on Septmeber 26, 2011.

Please allow me to serve as an example of the false perceptions of the weak minded when allowed free will on the internet during the dawning of the age of senility.
 

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Posted by Golden Key (# 1468) on :
 
{Passes Twilight a 6-pack of Geritol tonic, in assorted flavors.}

 

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Posted by LeRoc (# 3216) on :
 

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Twilight: Oh. Sorry. Last night I could have sworn my source said the earthquake in Chili was on September 26, 2011 but this morning it looks like maybe the earthquake article was written on Septmeber 26, 2011.

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Originally posted by Twilight:
Please allow me to serve as an example of the false perceptions of the weak minded when allowed free will on the internet during the dawning of the age of senility.

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Originally posted by LeRoc:
Here is an example, but there are a lot more.

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I find it both sad and funny that there were a few posts on that thread from 13th September 2011 and then nothing at all until 20th September 2012. (Although it seems RDprofessor misread the year.) Maybe people deleted their posts from in between those dates, otherwise it's a rather deafening silence on that fact that nothing much happened earthquake-wise on 26 Sep 2011...
 

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Posted by LeRoc (# 3216) on :
 
The funny thing is: the comet Elenin, for which some of these sites speculated it would even be a drown dwarf, actually broke up into pieces at the end of August 2011, and was never seen again. The irony...

I would say that the Ship's comet is more bad-ass than this Elenin

Many cults predict a Doomsday, and it usually is in the near future, to create a sense of urgency. When nothing happens on the predicted day, there is usually a bit of embarassment and explaining away, but more often the cults simply don't mention the date anymore. I'm a bit surprised that Emily still brought it up.
 

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Originally posted by LeRoc:
Many cults predict a Doomsday, and it usually is in the near future, to create a sense of urgency. When nothing happens on the predicted day, there is usually a bit of embarassment and explaining away, but more often the cults simply don't mention the date anymore.

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So your images which support your personal interpretation need to be backed up by evidence from non-obsolete measuring equipment. What kind of equipment might that be.

Plus you need to provide evidence of why measuring equipment used by scientists has become obsolete.

Purgatory is a place for serious discussion (yes, really), not just random assertions of the fanciful. [/QB]

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Originally posted by Emily Windsor-Cragg:
What I have perceived and intuited as to causes needs to be examined and verified, validated or repudiated by honest science.

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• It is unlikely that the author would have understood the refutation
• He had much better things to do with his time than compose a refutation which would not have been understood.

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Originally posted by Emily Windsor-Cragg:

Things are not looking good for Nibiru. It is being repeatedly slammed by its own ice wake

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Originally posted by Emily Windsor-Cragg:

What I have perceived and intuited as to causes needs to be examined and verified, validated or repudiated by honest science.

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Originally posted by Emily Windsor-Cragg:
I've given you all my sources several times.
--Anthropology: Sumerian records, translated and summarized.
--Bible Book of Revelation and Book of Enoch.

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Originally posted by Emily Windsor-Cragg:
Wow. It sounds to me as if I have met up with a couple of people who really don't care that they're being lied to by Authorities.

I come to different conclusions because I connect more diverse dots in a broader range of topics.

I don't see astronomers connecting with anthropology or organizational ethics or church history ... very often, do you?

And my question in connecting the dots is, "How is it that [ab]Astronomical outcomes [/qbb] show a relationship to both the teaching and practice of corporate Hierarchy-with-secrecy AND ET-Annunaki history as well as modern ET-UFO Non-Disclosure?

It all ties together; and the people who don't want to see it? Well, they have other interests, I suppose.

Emily

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If you are to get your ideas accepted, then you need to present your evidence in that is clear and can be understood. Not only that, you need to show why the conventional understanding of things fails to account for this evidence. Then you need to make predictions based on your theory which can be tested.

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Last year, we had a beautiful conjunction between Jupiter and Venus. You could see them coming together for weeks, a delight to the eye.

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And this weekend, clear skies permitting, they are doing it again, together with Mercury.
 

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Posted by Barnabas62 (# 9110) on :
 
This from the Einstein tangent.

A remarkable example of how peer review by honest scientists can be ongoing. Eddington's famous 1919 eclipse observations in support of General Relativity were the subject of subsequent controversy. The visual evidence in the plates was subject to re-analysis 60 years later and this detailed paper produced to look critically at the concerns that he may have misrepresented the actual evidence.

The significance for this thread is it demonstrates the care taken by scientists in extracting and reviewing the data available from photographic images. It is not a case of just "seeing".

Of course, it was a very significant experiment and the Eddington findings were very important to the scientific community. But what is also remarkable is the careful re-examination, both because of the historical importance of the work and the issue of Eddington's credibility as an honest scientist.

Honest science does not leave stones unturned. Published papers and associated evidence are openly available for open review.

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[late edit re care over evidence in photographic images]

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Posted by passer (# 13329) on :
 
B62 you are being awesome. Please don't cause yourself any harm doing this
 

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Posted by Martin PC not & Ship's Biohazard (# 368) on :
 
We all want to see it if it's true Emily. But our epistemologies are different. We don't have a shared metanarrative.
 

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Last year, we had a beautiful conjunction between Jupiter and Venus. You could see them coming together for weeks, a delight to the eye.

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Originally posted by Emily Windsor-Cragg:
When there's a Full Moon or a special event, quite often I can prove they have trotted out old photos from years gone by.

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Originally posted by Barnabas62:
[QB Clearly you see the need for some kind of external verification yourself. ... I believe you believe what you write, and I also believe you see it as important to communicate what you believe.

Thinking back to the title of your OP and the emphasis on HERESY, scientific review basically doesn't give a toss whether anyone's ideas run counter to received wisdom or understanding. As Higgs Bosun has pointed out so clearly in the following quote, the standards are somewhat different.

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There are three basic criteria there. You are failing to meet all three of them. So your prospects of getting anyone from the world of "honest science" to take you seriously are vanishingly small.

How do I know this? Well, Higgs Bosun is, or was, a scientist. I studied Physics and Chemistry at University. My younger son has published peer-reviewed papers. Higgs Bosun is just describing some of the normal standards of the review processes of honest science.

SoF is nothing like peer review of course. Much less disciplined. Provided they stay within the guidelines, which are predominantly social in character, Shipmates can write what the heck they like here, get a hearing for anything.

But there are some disciplines here. Shipmates who make use of their posting privileges must also expect to take the heat of other people's critical observations of the views and opinions as expressed in their posts. Without exception. That's the standard here. Nobody is protected from that. The open ethos of this place is unrest.

Personal attack and personality conflicts are not allowed to be exercised here in Purgatory, or any discussion area other than Hell. If a Shipmate wants to get personal, they call you to Hell. Their options are to do that, or shut up. That's also in the guidelines. That's the standard here too.

You've had Hostly opinions on both of these standards from Doublethink and Gwai, and you can read them in the guidelines. So that's what its like here, for good or ill. That's one of the ways this cybercommunity works. I've been here for eight years and I like it. I just don't expect easy agreement from anybody about anything. Neither should you. [/QB]

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Now what, indeed.

What practical difference do your beliefs make to your (potentially anyone who agreed with you) everyday life ?

Absotively none. I still have to pay my bills, do my laundry and get along with the neighbors.


If you were not spending most of your time doing image analysis and promoting this worldview, how would it change anything ?

Fewer people would realize that we are being lied to hands down, by our leaders, top-to-bottom, all the time ... about practically everything.


I can say all the bad in the world is due to satan, goblins or aliens, I can say governments tend toward the authoritarian and don't tell me the whole truth - but neither thing changes very much what I actually do day to day.

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In the cosmos, we are judged by our awareness as well as by our behavior.

If we are aware of nothing except service-to-self, that's like saying, we ACT LIKE predators.

If truth-telling has no place in our lives, we're merely not-sees.

Emily
 

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Originally posted by Emily Windsor-Cragg:
In the cosmos, we are judged by our awareness as well as by our behavior.

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f the words “ethics” or “morality” are taken to mean a system of rules, then Gnosticism is opposed to them both. Such systems usually originate with the Demiurge and are covertly designed to serve his purposes. If, on the other hand, morality is said to consist of an inner integrity arising from the illumination of the indwelling spark, then the Gnostic will embrace this spiritually informed existential ethic as ideal.

To the Gnostic, commandments and rules are not salvific; they are not substantially conducive to salvation. Rules of conduct may serve numerous ends, including the structuring of an ordered and peaceful society, and the maintenance of harmonious relations within social groups. Rules, however, are not relevant to salvation; that is brought about only by Gnosis. Morality therefore needs to be viewed primarily in temporal and secular terms; it is ever subject to changes and modifications in accordance with the spiritual development of the individual.

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In the cosmos, we are judged by our awareness as well as by our behavior.

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Rules, however, are not relevant to salvation; that is brought about only by Gnosis. Morality therefore needs to be viewed primarily in temporal and secular terms; it is ever subject to changes and modifications in accordance with the spiritual development of the individual.

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In brief, morality is relative, less important than knowledge of the hitherto hidden truth.

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Does that mean you see yourself as a kind of modern gnostic, or that you find some of the ideas associated with gnosticism attractive?

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Barnabas, I don't use a label to describe myself.

History will define where my thought-STANCE resides, I'm just sitting here listening to what shows up.

And then I have to figure out, whether what shows up fits a piece of the coherence puzzle I'm working on.

But no, I don't have a picture of what the puzzle is supposed to look like when it's done. I'm just working from [Hussrl-Idhe] Phenomenology, that method of data analysis.

Emily
 

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Posted by Barnabas62 (# 9110) on :
 
Thanks for your answer, Emily. I wasn't seeking to label you, or get you to label yourself. All of us are influenced to some extent by the things we've read about or experienced. I just saw certain parallels, that's all.
 

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Posted by Emily Windsor-Cragg (# 17687) on :
 

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Originally posted by Barnabas62:
Thanks for your answer, Emily. I wasn't seeking to label you, or get you to label yourself. All of us are influenced to some extent by the things we've read about or experienced. I just saw certain parallels, that's all.

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Please elaborate at your leisure. I'm wondering also, where I might fit. An ideology is like a community: one has to fit, to belong there.

Em
 

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Posted by Barnabas62 (# 9110) on :
 
I'll give that some thought. There might be scope for a separate, more general serious discussion here about the issues raised by the desire to belong without "fitting-in" processes bending us out of the shape we have.
 

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Posted by Golden Key (# 1468) on :
 
Some people just call themselves "seekers".
 

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Some people just call themselves "seekers".

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Some people just call themselves "seekers".

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... who were a tuneful-ish Australian folk-type combo in the 1960s/early 70s who sang about children falling asleep (Morningtown Ride), letting out the "real you" (Georgy Girl) and lost love (Another You).

To quote another of their songs, can I suggest The Carnival is Over ?

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Having listened to the whole OP, I wonder why EEWC is not a Sci-Fi writer ... or maybe she is? I don't know. But that's where her ideas belong.

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Posted by Martin PC not & Ship's Biohazard (# 368) on :
 
We would all be better off and better the world seeking to be servants.
 

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Originally posted by Martin PC not & Ship's Biohazard:
We would all be better off and better the world seeking to be servants.

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Clearly, you've never eaten anything I've cooked.

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