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comet
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Originally posted by LeRoc:
(I would be interested to know how total abstinence failed once.)
I suspect it involved a girl named Mary who said she talked to angels. she said they all know her name.
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LeRoc
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comet: I suspect it involved a girl named Mary
D'oh! Is that it?
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Originally posted by South Coast Kevin:
Really? Hitchens yearns for disgruntled Guides to quit and form a 'pro-Christian breakaway'.
*sigh* Of course- of course!- this has already happened in the States. They're called "American Heritage Girls". They claim to have been disappointed by the "increasing secular focus" of Scouting which I assume means environmentalism and Girl Power. (The Girl Scouts still promise to serve God and country, and they still can earn religious badges, but that's not good enough for some people...)
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squidgetsmum
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Originally posted by Haydee:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by North East Quine:
[qb] (muses on what a "depraved sex" badge might look like....) (wants to get one for camp blanket)
It's gotta be party badge one, surely? I mean, there are parties and then there are parties..
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The Party badge involves a list of invitees and 3 different activities...Yup, you're right, it would be the Party badge.
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Sioni Sais
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Originally posted by North East Quine:
The Party badge involves a list of invitees and 3 different activities...Yup, you're right, it would be the Party badge.
If it involves the "Can I bring a friend?" question, that would be a very valuable badge.
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Well, darn...the Girl Scouts of the USA isn't anywhere near as deprived...
We still have God in the promise and don't have a party badge at any level. ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
We do have a badge for using good manners with strangers (Brownie) and one for having a dinner party (Ambassador).
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Jane R
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![[Ultra confused]](graemlins/confused2.gif) Good grief, I HAVE the Depraved Sex badge and never knew it until now! Except in my day it was called the Hostess Badge...
(this seems to be turning into a Circus thread)
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Firenze
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Originally posted by Jane R:
Good grief, I HAVE the Depraved Sex badge and never knew it until now! Except in my day it was called the Hostess Badge...
Obviously there are some usages of 'Hostess' with which Senior Guiding circles were unfamiliar.
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Shit, me too!
Grooming. By God, we really are depraved...
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I got the hostess badge too - but there was no depraved sex; I remember having to write out different styles of invitations. I was obviously deprived of the full guiding experience- do you think I could claim my subs back? ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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ExclamationMark
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Goodness Gracious .... are they letting rats into the Guides as well now?
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Originally posted by Jade Constable:
[QUOTE]2) most women who have abortions are married and already have kids.
What's the evidence for that please Jade?
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Most women getting abortions (83%) are unmarried; 67% have never married, and 16% are separated, divorced, or widowed.4 Married women are significantly less likely than unmarried women to resolve unintended pregnancies through abortion.6
This is from prochoice.org. Link: abortion facts
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Originally posted by JoannaP:
I got the hostess badge too - but there was no depraved sex; I remember having to write out different styles of invitations. I was obviously deprived of the full guiding experience- do you think I could claim my subs back?
I got my laundress badge. And this was at guides in the 90's - we had to take in a pair of our fathers socks to wash and my mother thought this was stupid so sent me in with a pair of her socks. I got told off but still managed to get the badge. No depraved sex from my unit either....
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Originally posted by JoannaP:
I got the hostess badge too - but there was no depraved sex; I remember having to write out different styles of invitations. I was obviously deprived of the full guiding experience- do you think I could claim my subs back?
A good hostess should be able to sort out the depraved sex herself - clearly you shouldn't have got the badge.
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Enough chitchat. You know where groupies belong.
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huh?
No chit chat allowed in hell now? ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
And what groupie belongs what were?
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Originally posted by Patdys:
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Originally posted by PeteC:
Enough chitchat. You know where groupies belong.
Hell?
Wait a minute...
Isn't there a Private Board for that sort of thing? If there isn't then you could set one up.
FYI, this does mean "Get a room!".
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mousethief
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Boy I'm glad that announcement got the thread back on track.
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Originally posted by mousethief:
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Most women getting abortions (83%) are unmarried; 67% have never married, and 16% are separated, divorced, or widowed.4 Married women are significantly less likely than unmarried women to resolve unintended pregnancies through abortion.6
This is from prochoice.org. Link: abortion facts
In that case, jade please get your facts right - otherwise you don't look good and your contribution effectively goes down the toilet.
The figures on the number of "back street" abortions are also suspect as they have, by their nature, to be estimates. Depending on who makes that estimate (and an account of any deaths arising from them), the figures may be higher or lower than reality.
I haven't really got much in this debate except for a relative who was prosecuted for arranging illegal abortions in Cambridge England in the 1950's/60's ..... her view and yes it's anecdotal, was that it was common enough but not as common as people thought. As for the Vera Drakes immortalised in film - sorry to destroy an illusion but they were out for the cash.
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Originally posted by sophs:
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Originally posted by JoannaP:
I got the hostess badge too - but there was no depraved sex; I remember having to write out different styles of invitations. I was obviously deprived of the full guiding experience- do you think I could claim my subs back?
I got my laundress badge. And this was at guides in the 90's - we had to take in a pair of our fathers socks to wash and my mother thought this was stupid so sent me in with a pair of her socks. I got told off but still managed to get the badge. No depraved sex from my unit either....
And I bet that EVERYBODY going for that badge brought in a pair of socks that were already clean.
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LeRoc
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Having depraved sex with dirty socks on would just be immoral.
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mousethief
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Originally posted by LeRoc:
Having depraved sex with dirty socks on would just be immoral.
Having chaste, Christian sex with dirty socks, on the other hand, is just fine.
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Originally posted by LeRoc:
Having depraved sex with dirty socks on would just be immoral.
Having depraved sex with ANY socks on is just immoral!
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LeRoc
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mousethief: Having chaste, Christian sex with dirty socks, on the other hand, is just fine.
Darn! I had a silent hope that depraved sex with clean socks would be acceptable.
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Firenze
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Originally posted by LeRoc:
Darn! I had a silent hope that depraved sex with clean socks would be acceptable.
I think if you are having sex with socks in any condition then it counts if not as depraved, then extremely sad.
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LeRoc
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Firenze: I think if you are having sex with socks in any condition then it counts if not as depraved, then extremely sad.
D'oh! I should have put the word 'on' there somewhere. You got me there.
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What if the sock is consenting? And has a really soft, supple weave?
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comet
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... and paid for all the drinks that night?
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North East Quine
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Hmmm... what could this Guide song be about? It sounds so innocent, but who knows to what depths of depravity it refers?
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Uncle Pete
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Somehow I knew exactly what song that link referred to!
I sometimes still sing that when I am doing my laundry.
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Not here, thank God, my ears couldn't stand it!
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Gee D
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Did Indifferently smell socks, not a rat?
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Uncle Pete
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Since Indifferently is on enforced shore leave for a few more days, I hope that you were not expecting a response to the cheese you've left dangling. Also, regardless of what you feel about him, it is conventional not to bring him up in conversation to which he cannot respond.
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Originally posted by ExclamationMark:
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Originally posted by mousethief:
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Most women getting abortions (83%) are unmarried; 67% have never married, and 16% are separated, divorced, or widowed.4 Married women are significantly less likely than unmarried women to resolve unintended pregnancies through abortion.6
This is from prochoice.org. Link: abortion facts
In that case, jade please get your facts right - otherwise you don't look good and your contribution effectively goes down the toilet.
The figures on the number of "back street" abortions are also suspect as they have, by their nature, to be estimates. Depending on who makes that estimate (and an account of any deaths arising from them), the figures may be higher or lower than reality.
I haven't really got much in this debate except for a relative who was prosecuted for arranging illegal abortions in Cambridge England in the 1950's/60's ..... her view and yes it's anecdotal, was that it was common enough but not as common as people thought. As for the Vera Drakes immortalised in film - sorry to destroy an illusion but they were out for the cash.
Iirc, most women *worldwide* who have abortions are married. However, my argument still stands since a woman's sexual activity is irrelevant to whether or not she 'deserves' an abortion.
I am under no illusions as to what having an abortion was like before legalisation - although even if I was, Vera Drake is not the only portrayal and the one in Call The Midwife is more accurate - and it has no impact on my argument. Abortion should be free, safe, legal and rare, and that's all there is to it.
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Originally posted by Jade Constable:
Iirc, most women *worldwide* who have abortions are married.
Unless you can back this up, you're just talking out your ass (arse).
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Originally posted by PeteC:
Since Indifferently is on enforced shore leave for a few more days, I hope that you were not expecting a response to the cheese you've left dangling. Also, regardless of what you feel about him, it is conventional not to bring him up in conversation to which he cannot respond.
I am sorry, I had misremembered the time of his leave.
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Originally posted by Jade Constable:
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1. Iirc,
2. Abortion should be free, safe, legal and rare, and that's all there is to it.
1. You don't seem to.
2. Others' mileage may (and does) vary - and so that's not all there is to it. It's your opinion. Mine might well be otherwise or it might not.
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Firenze
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Originally posted by ExclamationMark:
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Originally posted by Jade Constable:
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1. Iirc,
2. Abortion should be free, safe, legal and rare, and that's all there is to it.
1. You don't seem to.
2. Others' mileage may (and does) vary - and so that's not all there is to it. It's your opinion. Mine might well be otherwise or it might not.
That would appear to mean that you (may) think abortion should be one or all of expensive, dangerous, illegal and frequent.
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ExclamationMark
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Originally posted by Firenze:
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Originally posted by ExclamationMark:
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Originally posted by Jade Constable:
[QUOTE]
1. Iirc,
2. Abortion should be free, safe, legal and rare, and that's all there is to it.
1. You don't seem to.
2. Others' mileage may (and does) vary - and so that's not all there is to it. It's your opinion. Mine might well be otherwise or it might not.
That would appear to mean that you (may) think abortion should be one or all of expensive, dangerous, illegal and frequent.
Yes I may or may not think that but that's the point I was trying to make. Jade said "....that's all there is to it..." - my issue with her post was her assumption the debate was over, not that I actually disagreed/agreed with her viewpoint.
As to belief on this issue, I'm never entirely convinced that Abortion is legal - as (from memory) I think the 1967 Act could at least be read as giving immunity from prosecution for procuring an abortion, not actually making that act legal. I think that's wrong: abortion IMO should be legal, free and with the benefit of modern medicine, safe.
Above all it should be a possible response to a set of circumstances, not the only (or first) one. It should be rare and not used as a contraceptive safety net or lifestyle choice - neither of which were in David Steele's mind when he framed the 1967 legislation. Cases of rape, incest and life/death health matters cry out for deep compassion which would IMHO allow for abortion. But, since this makes up a very low % of terminations each year (most are "for the health of the mother" reasons), you then have your rare occurrence of legal abortion.
I've walked a very personal journey in this area of life - 4 years ago my daughter was pregnant. In her late 20's married, working in the NHS/Social Service sphere. Throughout her pregnancy she had all sorts of health problems including bleeding, threatened miscarriages, high blood pressure etc. At about 30 weeks she was very ill and asked (told, rather - I was there) to have a termination. It was a choice: have a termination or you may die - effectively it's the baby or you.
Her choice? To put her own life on the line for the sake of the child. Admittedly she had a husband and a family who supported her, unlike so many others. She had a 3 year old daughter who she loved dearly - yet she was prepared to risk her life so as not to bring another to an end. That was her choice not ours and others may well have chosen differently.
Both survived in spite of not taking the easy way.
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Firenze
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I don't have an axe to grind - and here would not be the place to grind it in any case. I was just applying the Hoggart Test.*
*orig Simon Hoggart. Basically, for any ringing statement (esp by a politician) formulate the opposite.
Mostly this works to expose the essential meaninglessness of much rhetoric 'I support freedom and prosperity' - as against being in favour of slavery and penury? But it also works the other way.
I think if I were taking issue with Jade's statement (ah, the certainty of youth), I would go with what my views actually are rather than what they hypothetically may be.
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Uncle Pete
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Cupcakes, consider taking Abortion discussions to the knackers (Dead Horses).
The rest of you may continue discussing the Guide Promise (though that seems lost in the mists of time) or discussing the real meaning of Guide badges and songs.
Many, many, thanks in advance
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North East Quine
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Songs like this? Love this one.
Though we do the end scream more convincingly.
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Does anyone else sing (to the tune of "fluffy sheep) about Highland cows which are wonderful because they are ginger and they are horny? Very popular here.
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Albertus
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Being ginger and horny makes you wonderful? Did you have bit of a thing for Robin Cook, then?
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