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balaam
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I'm not reading the thread because I missed the episode, and the BBC does not put it on iPlayer until the repeat on Sunday. That's the second week in a row I've missed ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
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I'm not reading the thread because I missed the episode, and the BBC does not put it on iPlayer until the repeat on Sunday. That's the second week in a row I've missed
I watched it on iPlayer this morning, I don't have a TV.
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must be the cut down iPlayer on Virgin TV
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Sorry that Glenn went, but I could quite understand why he did. I'm rooting for Becca or Kimberley - but certainly not Poor Ickle Me Ruby.
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A couple of weeks ago I thought Glenn was going to start producing some fantastic stuff, but he seemed to go into a bit of a decline. I think they all stand a good chance now, with Beca being a slight outsider as she hasn't won star baker yet.
My family has what we call the Eccles Cake Challenge, where we have to buy eccles cakes when we're on holiday and mark them out of ten. Christine's looked like we'd give them at least a 7 maybe more.
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I felt sorry for Becca, as she did at least as well as Frances, if not better. And yet she didn't get star baker because they thought she could do better. That doesn't seem entirely fair..
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Quarter-finals tonight.
They have to make a loaf using non-traditional flours for the first round. Howard would have been in his element here. The technical is a dacquoise - a gluten-free dessert made with meringue and coffee custard. Lots of panic potential in that. Finally, a novelty vegetable cake which must be dairy-free. Not sure if that means the cake has to include vegetables in the recipe or look like a vegetable. Beetroot and carrot are the only veg I can think of with cake potential.
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Could you make flour out of dried ground beans or peas ?
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I assume they get the brief in advance of the day ?
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They know what they're doing in advance for the signature round and the showstopper, so they can practice those, but they don't know the technical till the day.
Well, that was tough. Not too surprised with the result. Was there a bit of ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif) going on at Kimberley's effort in the signature? I thought it looked as if she might be trying to repeat something from an earlier week.
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Could you make flour out of dried ground beans or peas ?
Apparently chickpea flour is a thing, so other kinds of peas and beans could also make flour if you wanted to.
Here's some interesting ones: non wheat flours
Ground nuts (almonds, hazelnuts etc) can be used instead of flour to make tasty cakes
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Chickpea (gram) flour is very common in Asian food - eg pakora and various frittery things. Also in the soca pancakes you get along the Ligurian coast.
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My daughter who is both dairy and gluten allergic (and some nuts) makes her own flours to bake, using a mix of a protein flour (bean or nut flour) and a floury flour (rice, corn) - more here
Interesting that this episode was looking at special diets because that's why my daughter won't watch GBBO - they never cook anything she can eat.
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Haven't watched yet, having had a dreadful urge to go to bed early, but I've used parsnip in a cake. With caraway and lemon drizzle. Parsnip cake recipe
I knew it had been used as a sweet ingredient during the war (with, I believe, banana flavouring as mock banana) and as a dessert at the court of Nero, so I went looking. I found it on the RHS page, but this is it.
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For gluten/dairy free etc cakes, this is quite a good place to look. It uses a lot of vegetables for moisture, and derives a lot of the oil from nuts (less good if you've nut issues) and from memory most of them work with rice flour.
But back to GBBO: I've now got irritated with Ruby. She wasn't the only one out of her comfort zone who did well ....
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I didn't like Ruby's cake, it looked dull and untidy and the colours were uninviting. Kimberley's was far more polished.
Not surprised who went home though.
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I've looked at some it again on iplayer so I could try to understand the judging, especially between Kimberley and Ruby. In the signature bake they both had issues - ruby's loaf was underbaked and underproved and Kimberley's couronne had too much going on and was dry. They were first and second in the technical so it was all down to the novelty cakes in the end. Kimberley's cake wasn't very sweet but that was the only quibble. It looked very good. Ruby's didn't look as professional as Kimberley's but she had a wider range of decorative effects. She made praline and tempered chocolate and didn't just rely on coloured icing.
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Being a USA person, I don't know a thing about your TV show, but I just had to mention this- concerning special diet recipes & products. Last week I got a pop-up ad for gluten-free lipstick.
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I thought Becca was very lucky this week. Her signature bake looked very professional, but it was a very easy shape and surely using all that ready made fondant icing is cheating? Kimberley did the same thing, but her cake was a more complcated shape and more detailed in it's decoration.
Last week I wanted an eccles cake, this week I want a dacquoiise.
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I agree. Although Christine had a poor week (by her standards), I was surprised when she got the chop - although my wife called it correctly. She seemed to have the potential to be a challenger to win. Without her, it is now down to Ruby and Kimberley. And as much as I hate Ruby's eye-rolling and "poor poor pitiful me" schtick, I think she is ahead of Kimberley at the moment.
I was really moved by the glimpse we had of the five women in a huddle. It really seems as if they are genuinely supportive of each other. You can't help but think that if it were five men in a similar situation, all we would see is testosterone and attempts to belittle one another.
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I was really moved by the glimpse we had of the five women in a huddle. It really seems as if they are genuinely supportive of each other. You can't help but think that if it were five men in a similar situation, all we would see is testosterone and attempts to belittle one another.
I'm not sure this is the case - or at least, not in BakeOff "typical" men...With Howard crying when someone else got eliminated and Glenn saying "It should have been me..." when Howard went, I can't help feeling BakeOff Blokes are the kind of blokes I'd like. NOT all testosterone-y.
I thought Glenn was seriously cute.
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I wonder if there is something in Ruby's background that has led her into that self-deprecation thing?
When I was at college, I developed a stammer, and later realised that it was because the men who were admitted in the last year I was there weren't comfortable with any conversation about science. So I might know those tricky words, but I couldn't say them. (I only realised when I apologised for saying "polyploid" to a really nice chap when talking about tomatoes, and he was put out by my apologising.)
If she's had to cover for being good at things for some such reason, and can't see it and switch it off, that could explain it. It might still be an active problem - "I may be on Bake Off but it's only luck, I really make all these mistakes."
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I thought Becca was very lucky this week. Her signature bake looked very professional, but it was a very easy shape and surely using all that ready made fondant icing is cheating? Kimberley did the same thing, but her cake was a more complcated shape and more detailed in it's decoration.
Last week I wanted an eccles cake, this week I want a dacquoiise.
I agree about Becca. It was her focaccia that got her through- if there'd been issues with that I think she'd have gone instead of Christine. Paul and Mary seemed unimpressed with her casual attitude to the novelty cake.
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This stage in the competition is not the time to announce that you haven't made your showstopper before, but "it shouldn't be that difficult". She was lucky to get through.
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Christine was a gonner from the signature bake. Things just didn't go her way. The only veg based cake I have made is carrot so can't really comment on the cake mixes. Ruby's chocolate was well tempered and the cake looked like it should. I think Becca could come up against the rails and take the contest.
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Paul and Mary were positive about Christine's signature bake in spite of the broken crust. I think her dacquoise sealed her fate - slack custard at this stage of the competition is a serious issue.
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Well no surpises last night. I didn't fancy ay of their Opera cakes, certainly not the one with the artificial banana flavour. Had she actually made it before?
Frances's canapes looked good, and were the only thing I actually fancied eating last night - all the Charlotte Royal's reminded me of something from a horror film.
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Frances's canapes looked good, and were the only thing I actually fancied eating last night - all the Charlotte Royal's reminded me of something from a horror film.
Same here - never heard of Charlotte Royal, but it looks YUK!
I think they are all feeling the pressure now, but the right three are in the final imo.
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It was obvious she was going from the first task but what was she thinking, using artificial favour! Especially banana, yuk.
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I might have swapped Frances with Christine for the final three, but I agree with Kimberley and Ruby based on the series so far.
However they all appeared to give up after the canapes this week! The Charlotte brains were yuck, and only Kimberley made a showing there, and none of their showstoppers were showstopping.
Is it me, or is this series a bit more up and down than previous ones? Surely in previous semi-finals it's been hard to judge who should go, because they were all so good, rather than because they were all poor?
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The selection criteria for the show will be based on more than baking skills. The final 13 would have shown they're able to deal with being on TV and with the possibility of making a mess of things in front of millions. I think also the producers are looking for entertainment value from them. ISTM that following last year's all-male final they selected men who were not much threat to the women they probably knew would be the front-runners. That said, there's always scope for things to go pear-shaped with anyone's bake at any time. That's part of the excitement.
I wasn't surprised Beca went. It was French week and she made Welsh-inspired canapes and a banoffee version of the classic opera cake. It was all too homely. I was surprised Kimberley hadn't won star baker before. Taken overall she seems to have had more good bakes than anyone else. I think Paul and Mary may see her as a bit too safe though. I'd like to see Frances win. Last week she told Mel she'd rather be a mentalist than be boring, after which the camera moved to a shot of Beca and Kimberley.
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sigh ruby is gonna win, sigh, the numpty
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"Cakes overbaked, icing just wrong ... "
Maybe not!
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maybe not indeed
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Francis, good!
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Frances ![[Biased]](wink.gif)
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Frances ![[Overused]](graemlins/notworthy.gif)
There was a spoiler in one of the tabloids today. Apparently Raymond Blanc tweeted something that suggested it was Ruby, which of course was denied. Maybe it was a red herring.
I thought it might be Ruby despite her dreadful wedding cake as her pie was so good and she came second in the pretzels.
Very pleased for Frances, she really came up from behind, just shows it's never over till it's over.
Have to say I have warmed to Ruby in the last couple of episodes, she seemed to get over herself a bit and be more self deprecating about the state she gets in. She said something at the start about just wanting to get through without having an 'episode'.
Master Chef Professionals starts next week. (I think it's next week, not this week?) Anyone watching that?
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I was rooting for Kimberley, but Frances was a worthy winner, certainly her wedding cake was the only one that looked like you might want it at a wedding - I guess there wasn't enough time for fruit cake, but what about pillars?
Think I'm going to have a go at a vegetarian picnic loaf.
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Master Chef Professionals starts next week. (I think it's next week, not this week?) Anyone watching that?
Probably. But am I the only one who longs for the good old days when the (original) amateur Masterchef was much more like the Bake-Off - i.e., talented amateurs doing their own stuff in a home kitchen environment? I could live without good old Lloyd G though.
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sigh ruby is gonna win, sigh, the numpty
Shame she didn't.
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Good result.
Watching the preceding programme, which recapped past year, I felt yet again that they go for certain personality types. Cathryn was last year's Ruby, talented but permanently on the verge of panic or tears. Brendan was last year's Kimberley, consistently good, more reserved than the others and hence seen as smug by some (not me, I loved his bone-dry humour).
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I was surprised at how shoddy Ruby and Kimberley's wedding cakes were - the layers on Kimberley's didn't even look even? Frances' was very pretty as well as interesting and I think that sealed her fate. And those marzipan bees again! Now I want a wedding cake with marzipan bees on it.
Frances has been my favourite from early on though, I do love it when she nips off to Planet Frances ![[Smile]](smile.gif) The Chelsea Flour Show looked so delicious.
I DID love the look of Ruby's veggie picnic pie though. To be honest the highlight of GBBO '13 has as always been Mel and 'I've never eaten a nun before' Sue.
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A deserving winner. Based on the comments from the judges I think Kimberley would have won if her pie hadn't been so disastrous. Frances won hands down on the wedding cake, it was ideal for her.
Kimberley's cake would have been much better if she had chosen one basic icing technique, like the embossing with shimmer powder overlaid, and then something in a colour to compliment it. As it was it looked untidy. But the inside looked lovely.
Ruby's cake looked awful, her icing wasn't smoothed and her icing cut outs roughly done.
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Kimberley's cake would have been much better if she had chosen one basic icing technique,
Although the decoration/finish on her layers were all different the basic icing, as far as I could see was the same - two layers, both of which needed rolling, placing carefully and smoothing (either almond & fondant paste - or did I hear her say fondant and modelling paste?). Both layers would have taken some time to get a good smooth finish. If she had used a more forgiving type of base icing she would have had more time to dress it up for a show-stopping effect.
I'm so glad that Paul & Mary weren't around to judge the Drum Kit wedding cake I made for my son's wedding in the summer - and I spent a lot longer than 6 hours on it. ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
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Anyone read Ruby's piece in The Guardian ?
Sad (but unsurprising) state of affairs.
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"Sod the haters. I'm going to have my cupcake and eat it, too."
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It was Ruby and Kimberly all the way to the end, but their wedding cakes were shambolic. They had the most natural talent in terms of flavours and good eating,though never as precise and pretty as Frances, who really had a impressive style. But how could they win after such travesties of wedding cakes? Frances' wasn't perfect but Ruby underbaked two entire cakes!! Oh dear oh dear. Ruby sometimes does fall to peices when stressed but that was her worst bake in the series! And Kimberley usually does such original, beautiful pieces I was astonished at the cliched lumps that were her cakes. I can't believe they came from her!
I'd have prefered to ignore the wedding cake challenge alltogether and give the prize to Ruby for her performance throughout the series. When taken as a whole she was head and shoulders above Frances, despite her messiness and imprecision in finishing. But Frances was better right at the end so I suppose she had to take it, no matter Ruby's previous brilliance.
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Anyone read Ruby's piece in The Guardian ?
Sad (but unsurprising) state of affairs.
Impressive piece of writing, though, compared with that final cake.
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Originally posted by Firenze:
Anyone read Ruby's piece in The Guardian ?
Sad (but unsurprising) state of affairs.
Impressive piece of writing, though, compared with that final cake.
"Janet and John at School" would be impressive compared with that final cake....
It was a shambles, wasn't it?
I wasn't that surprised by Ruby's meltdown - you always had the impression that her genius had a fragility that might let her down at the key moment. But I was surprised at Kimberley. She hasn't been the most visually stunning, but her creations were usually well executed. She made two big blunders in the final. The picnic pie was a disaster waiting to happen, especially when you saw how Frances and Ruby had gone to such lengths to ensure that their pastry stayed crisp and dry. How someone of Kimberley's obvious talent could have made that mistake astounds me. And then her wedding cake was so.... DULL. It may have tasted fantastic, but surely she knew that it had to be visually good as well, especially when she knew that Frances was bound to produce something great to look at.
If she had avoided just one of those blunders, I think she would have won.
But nothing should be taken away from Frances. She delivered in spades when she had to. And perhaps more importantly, as the judges made clear, she was the one who showed that she had learned and grown as a baker over the course of the contest.
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