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Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :

You know, I can stand any amount of Pom baiting from Australians (really; I've got family over there and recent phone calls have been at least as much fun as they were three years ago) and Aussies are the best mates in a tight spot, but I have had enough of tgc, with his latest on the cricket thread. He typifies the term "well-balanced" in that he has a chip on each shoulder.

His latest jibe at Graeme Swann, who has played a huge part in three successive Ashes series victories over Australia is a typically nasty and cheap shot by this, the wrong kind of 'floater'.

Worse still, I call him for sustained and insidious racist comments about anything to do with cricket, cricket administration and umpiring from the Indian subcontinent.

Posted by Imaginary Friend (# 186) on :

Add to that his equating serious mental illness with a sportsman who feels he's reached the natural end of his career.

tgc is a prick of the highest order.

Posted by quetzalcoatl (# 16740) on :

I don't know about the racist stuff, but calling Swann chicken is not so heinous, is it? I am used both to the Stretford End at Old Trafford, and the former Shed at Stamford Bridge, and 'chicken' would be considered a fulsome compliment in both those vicinities. Different sports, of course.

Posted by Barnabas62 (# 9110) on :

Probably affected by the (apochryphal!) observation by the young Fred Trueman on his first tour to an Australian dignitary when both were in their cups.

Dignitary:

Austrayliah is the Fyenest Cuuntry in the woorld and the Austraylain people are the Fyenest people in the woorld.

Fred.

Yeh. Your ancestors were sent there by the "fyenest" magistrates in England!

Cost Fred a tour or too, but the emnity remains .. particularly about cricket.

tgc does a bit of sledging on board, but it's a form of imitation, isn't it? Gets it from the execrable Aussie sporting press no doubt. Don't look for balanced reporting from much of that genre.

[ 26. December 2013, 16:46: Message edited by: Barnabas62 ]

Posted by Lyda*Rose (# 4544) on :

Tch. This is what comes of taking games too seriously.

Posted by mousethief (# 953) on :

A hell-call about cricket team trash-talk? [Confused]

Posted by Gamaliel (# 812) on :

It'd probably be too un-PC to broadcast now, but Dave Allen once made a quip when my parents saw him perform live.

He'd just returned from a tour of Aus'.

'D'you know, the Australians are the friendliest and most generous people in the world. They'll share anything with you. They'd even give you the shirt off their backs. Why, they'd even share their wives with you ... ' (and so on) '... It's those white bastards you want to watch ...'

Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :

quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
A hell-call about cricket team trash-talk?

Nope, this is all about tgc. Cricket sledging is another thing entirely and honorable by comparison.

Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :

Haven't really followed enough to be sure, but doesn't he sneak pond wars/ race baiting / nationality baiting into the cricket talk? If not, I stand corrected. In any case, people seem to be specifically frustrated with him quite often.

Posted by comet (# 10353) on :

quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
A hell-call about cricket team trash-talk?

Sioni wants to fuck with me. It's a Christmas tradition - make it look like English, but make comet learn a foreign language.

I'll be over here with my Rosetta Stone Cricket edition.

Posted by Imaginary Friend (# 186) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
Haven't really followed enough to be sure, but doesn't he sneak pond wars/ race baiting / nationality baiting into the cricket talk? If not, I stand corrected.

It's the race baiting that's the main problem, especially directed at those who come from south west Asia. Second problem is not knowing where the line is when it comes to acceptable banter. (Comments around Jonathon Trott's recent public admission of mental illness being a topical example.) Third problem is being generically Aussie-is-amazing-everyone-else-wishes-they-were-just-like-us jerkish.

In fairness, the third issue is less problematic than the other two.

Posted by mousethief (# 953) on :

quote:
Originally posted by comet:
Sioni wants to fuck with me.

I wonder if I'll be asked to sing at the funeral.

Posted by pydseybare (# 16184) on :

I think Australian fans are pretty entitled to gloat, and the whole Swann incident is pretty strange. And umpiring is often shit, and cricket administration is mired in red tape. And the Indians have a lot to answer for.

All seems rather mild and par for the course to me. England did well for a few Ashes tours, but when pushed on unfamiliar pitches at the end of the season, they're a bunch of lightweights.

Still. We've had a pretty good run, what with the Ashes and the Lions. We just thought we'd let them have a chance to play now.

Posted by orfeo (# 13878) on :

It's not just Aussie gloating. It's Adelaide gloating. Adelaide Oval has the best staff in the world don't you know. They are kind enough to give their advice to those poor pathetic Indians, I seem to recall. Presumably they don't give advice to the folks at such backwaters as the Melbourne Cricket Ground* though.

* The MCG just set a world record for the largest crowd at a cricket match, and was the home of the 1956 Olympics. But hey, Adelaide still has higher standards.

Posted by Sober Preacher's Kid (# 12699) on :

Aussie! Aussie! Aussie! Oi, oh, fuck it.... [Devil]

Posted by Patdys (# 9397) on :

Orfeo, what on earth are you referencing?

Posted by RooK (# 1852) on :

Don't be too hard on tgc. Cricket fans are pretty limited in their faculties, by definition. Expecting him to recognize how loathsome posting his blithe prejudice is, it's like hoping your dog loses his urge to eat his own feces before he licks your face again.

Luckily, I hardly have to read any of his shitty and amazingly boring posts any more.

Posted by Welease Woderwick (# 10424) on :

quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:
...* The MCG just set a world record for the largest crowd at a cricket match, and was the home of the 1956 Olympics. But hey, Adelaide still has higher standards.

...and a very ancient scoreboard!

Posted by Evensong (# 14696) on :

Please sir, what does "The Chicken in this match" mean?

Posted by Imaginary Friend (# 186) on :

"The Chicken" is a reference to Graeme Swann, who retired from international and first class cricket just before the fourth Test.

Posted by alienfromzog (# 5327) on :

quote:
Originally posted by comet:

quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
A hell-call about cricket team trash-talk?
Sioni wants to fuck with me. It's a Christmas tradition - make it look like English, but make comet learn a foreign language.

I'll be over here with my Rosetta Stone Cricket edition.

Be careful Comet! There are already lots of straight men and gay women who seriously fancy you due to your awesome hostliness... if you learn about Cricket as well there's one or two who will find you irresistible!
[Biased]

AFZ

Posted by orfeo (# 13878) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Patdys:
Orfeo, what on earth are you referencing?

I'm thinking of
this previous effort.

Posted by Evensong (# 14696) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Imaginary Friend:
"The Chicken" is a reference to Graeme Swann, who retired from international and first class cricket just before the fourth Test.

He was hardly a Chicken. Still don't quite know why he retired. He was one of the most successful bowlers on the English side in the July Ashes.

But what has that to do with Panesar being a Chicken?

[Confused]

Posted by Dark Knight (# 9415) on :

Who said anything about Monty being a chicken? tgc is calling Swann a chicken. What's hard to understand about that?
Those who are querying the Hell call are missing the fact that it's probably a case of the straw breaking a camel's lower vertebrae. As orfeo notes, tgc is very fond of making up stuff about Adelaide - its oval's ground staff are the best in the world, it has more sun than Queensland etc. It gets old.
That thread has had it's share of acrimony - Cod (in particular), IF, tgc and definitely I myself are hardly guilt free. I think the comments about Trott are more problematic than those about Swann, personally. But I get why SS is annoyed.

Posted by Dark Knight (# 9415) on :

But I also think you are unlikely to get satisfaction. I've seen tgc down here, but I've not known him to respond to Hell-calls.

Posted by Imaginary Friend (# 186) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Dark Knight:
Those who are querying the Hell call are missing the fact that it's probably a case of the straw breaking a camel's lower vertebrae.

I think this is accurate.

quote:
Originally posted by Dark Knight:
As orfeo notes, tgc is very fond of making up stuff about Adelaide - its oval's ground staff are the best in the world, it has more sun than Queensland etc. It gets old.

It's the steady drip-drip-drip of casual racism that I find the most infuriating. A close second is not knowing where the line is between acceptable and unacceptable banter. The Australia/Adelaide stuff does get old, but I think that is more worthy of parody than anger.

quote:
Originally posted by Dark Knight:
That thread has had it's share of acrimony - Cod (in particular), IF, tgc and definitely I myself are hardly guilt free. I think the comments about Trott are more problematic than those about Swann, personally.

Agreed on both counts. But I'm fine with there being a bit of rough-and-tumble on the sports threads, so long as it stays within the boundaries of the 10 Commandments. And Goodness knows the shackledraggers can't complain given that they invented sledging. I come back to my point about the line: In my opinion, tgc is the only one who has overstepped it more than once in a blue moon.

quote:
Originally posted by Dark Knight:
But I also think you are unlikely to get satisfaction. I've seen tgc down here, but I've not known him to respond to Hell-calls.

Yeah, and that makes his use of the label "chicken" all the more unfortunate.

Posted by Evensong (# 14696) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Dark Knight:
Who said anything about Monty being a chicken? tgc is calling Swann a chicken. What's hard to understand about that?

tgc said:

quote:
Panesar has been brought into the side for The Chicken in this match.

I assumed is was a Cricket term I was unfamiliar with. (i.e. The Nightwatchman - which could refer to any lower order batsman on the side).

I didn't realise it was a Swann epitaph.

Is that hard to understand?

[ 27. December 2013, 12:34: Message edited by: Evensong ]

Posted by Dark Knight (# 9415) on :

Yeah, a little, since no one actually referred to Monty being a chicken.
Aussies invented sledging? Really? Perhaps one of my convict ancestors muttered something derogatory to one of the colonising shitbags who imprisoned him for stealing bread and transported him thousands of kilometres from home. But I'm sure he was sorry. And if he wasn't then, I'm sure he was after another of the aforementioned colonising shitbags tied him to a post and horsewhipped him.
If we are confining ourselves to sport, I think our American cousins might have something to say about that claim also. I'm pretty sure trash talking has a fairly long history in sport over there. I could be wrong.

Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :

DK, Australia figures in two of the stories about the origin of "sledging" within cricket. The first is from c 1963-64 in which Ian Chappell describes any cricketer who used foul language in a lady's presence as "Acting like a sledgehammer". The other is about the Aussie quick bowler Grahame Corling who alleged a player was having an affair with another player's wife, and when the cuckolded man came out to bat the fielding team whistled "When a man loves a woman" by Percy Sledge.

That said, there's been abuse in sport since the first cheese was rolled down a hill, but sledging, with its sexual origins, appears to be an Australian invention.

Posted by Lyda*Rose (# 4544) on :

Wow. Cricket has its own specialized term for "trash talk". That's why I like the Ship. So much interesting information.

Posted by Beeswax Altar (# 11644) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Lyda*Rose:
Tch. This is what comes of taking games too seriously.

Especially one named after an insect

Posted by pydseybare (# 16184) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Evensong:
]I assumed is was a Cricket term I was unfamiliar with. (i.e. The Nightwatchman - which could refer to any lower order batsman on the side).

I didn't realise it was a Swann epitaph.

Is that hard to understand?

I have caught myself wondering several times this series which English batsman was playing the Chicken.

Posted by Patdys (# 9397) on :

quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:
It's not just Aussie gloating. It's Adelaide gloating. Adelaide Oval has the best staff in the world don't you know. They are kind enough to give their advice to those poor pathetic Indians, I seem to recall. Presumably they don't give advice to the folks at such backwaters as the Melbourne Cricket Ground* though.

* The MCG just set a world record for the largest crowd at a cricket match, and was the home of the 1956 Olympics. But hey, Adelaide still has higher standards.

So let me see.
We are castigating Cheesy for various forms of vilification and sledging. Which I have no ball in as cricket gives me the runs (That was pathetic even by my appallingly low standards).

You have complained that Adelaide Groundskeepers are advising the rest of the world re pitch and turf preparation, which from my read of the media seems to be true when they are asked. (I am not sure that Adelaide groundskeepers fly the world spontaneously critiquing other ovals). And then you are comparing that groundskeeping to stadium crowd and capacity size and previous usage of a stadium to justify vilifying 1.2 million Adelaide people.

So on this thread we have gone from cutting the cheese to bagging all Australians to bagging all people living in Adelaide, using the same approach cheesy was called to Hell for. I guess it makes as much sense as cricket itself.

The only reply to all this is of course,
'And hand in hand, on the edge of the sand, They danced by the light of the moon. The moon. The moon. They danced by the light of the moon.' [Razz]

Posted by Dark Knight (# 9415) on :

Who is bagging Adelaide? I would gladly raise a pint with your good self and tgc if I ever find myself at a shipmeet there, Patdys.
orfeo and I are merely pointing out that other Australians find tgc's peculiar brand of Adelaide pariochialness quite irritating.
I quite like Adelaide. Lovely art gallery, some nice churches, a decent beer in Coopers Pale (not really hoppy enough for me, but different strokes etc.) ... um, Rundle Mall. I could go on. Actually, I can't. But I'm sure it has other charms.
And you must make allowances for our English friends, and talk of "shackle draggers" and so on. Their boys did just lose the Ashes and all.
But this is all besides the point. tgc has been called here to answer for his comments about Swann. Personally, I don't really understand why Swann left midway through, although when Damian Martyn did it no one thought he was being a chicken. And I guess we're all still wondering who he was referring to as having their "heads up their own backsides"

Posted by Patdys (# 9397) on :

Quoting the post is a clue. [Biased]

There is no ire in my post DK.

It amused me that the thread went from one individual to an entire country and then to a State. And I suspect, being a member of two out of three* of those sets prompted my response.

*Although cheesy and I have never been seen together in the same room, I am pretty sure I am not he.

Posted by orfeo (# 13878) on :

Patdys, I'm not bagging Adelaide. I'm bagging one Adelaide resident for ridiculous Adelaide grandstanding - I think it was the use of the word 'overwhelmingly' that did my head in the most.

There's nothing wrong with loving the place that you live. I myself openly love Canberra in the face of the general Australian pasttime of Canberra-bashing. But there's a vast ego gap between "Adelaide has great ground staff" and "everybody overwhelmingly knows Adelaide has the best ground staff in the world".

The first is an affirmation of Adelaide. The second is an attempt to put down everywhere else.

[ 28. December 2013, 00:08: Message edited by: orfeo ]

Posted by Patdys (# 9397) on :

Ok, I have been reading corporately, not individually. Re- reading I see my error. Sorry. Swing and a miss.

Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :

Guys, I hoped you would have worked out from the OP that I had called tgc to Hell for sustained cheap and nasty jibes outside Hell. I really don't have a quarrel with Australia, its cricketers or other Australians.

I simply reckon that given the nature of tgc's posts on the cricket thread in The Circus the only way to continue discourse with him is now here, but so far he hasn't shown up.

Did someone say "chicken"?

Posted by Ariston (# 10894) on :

And then there's the supportive and community-minded cycling thread in AS, where the script goes something like this:

quote:
Poster 1: Hey, I went on this great ride/got this great new bike/did something exciting/think cyclist X is pretty cool/want to watch race Y/want to see if anyone else uses ride tracker Z/generally just enjoy biking.

Poster 2-n: Hey, that's pretty cool! Congratulations/let me tell you my ideas/let's talk!

TGC: You all are stupid. Let me tell you what a real ride/race/bike/rider is like/does.

Or sometimes we get how Australia—Adelade in particular—is The World's Hub for biking, with the rest of us poor benighted souls condemned to insignificance behind Reestablished Australian Cycling Dominance. Or there's the Giant Cheeseburger Ranking of Peoples:
Australians, of course, speak with the Voice of God, and are to be taken seriously by the inferior races at all time. Other peoples of the Commonwealth, while only fifth-rate Australians, are still sometimes worth a side mention, the poor dears, even the English. Below that, we're in pretty murky gradations of shitsifting—it's like separating constipated turds from Hershey squirts on the best days—but I imagine it's something along the lines of continental Europeans, Americans, most of the rest of the world (why can't they learn English like even the dumb Yanks think they have?), and then the Indian subcontinent. Below the Indians is not even the demons; any accomplishments by an Indian are to be discounted, any of their opinions, dismissed, and foibles or errors, magnified into conclusive evidence of their inferiority as a people. It's pretty predictable, not at all entertaining, but happily easy to ignore—when it doesn't derail the otherwise nice discussion we were having with blatant self-important fuckwittery.

So ring-a-ding-a-ding! HELL CALL! Taking bets as to whether Littlecheese shows up to his own accounting.

Posted by Evensong (# 14696) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Beeswax Altar:

quote:
Originally posted by Lyda*Rose:
Tch. This is what comes of taking games too seriously.
Especially one named after an insect

Philistines

Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Evensong:
Philistines

I thought that was hockey.

quote:
Originally posted by Ariston:
—but I imagine it's something along the lines of continental Europeans, Americans, most of the rest of the world (why can't they learn English like even the dumb Yanks think they have?), and then the Indian subcontinent.

Don't you mean Murricans?

Posted by comet (# 10353) on :

quote:
Originally posted by alienfromzog:
Be careful Comet! There are already lots of straight men and gay women who seriously fancy you due to your awesome hostliness... if you learn about Cricket as well there's one or two who will find you irresistible!

AFZ

*smooth, sexy voice*

hey there, big boy... is that a wicket in your pocket or are you just ...

yeah, I got nothin'. sorry. more studying necessary.

Posted by Golden Key (# 1468) on :

Actually, I suspect Pres. Obama ranks at the very bottom of TGC's tiered system.

Posted by Marvin the Martian (# 4360) on :

quote:
Originally posted by comet:
hey there, big boy... is that a wicket in your pocket or are you just ...

"Stump", dear. A wicket comprises three stumps and two bails, and if anyone had the whole thing in their pocket they'd have far more to worry about than any attractive redhead that might be in the locality.

Posted by Latchkey Kid (# 12444) on :

quote:
Originally posted by comet:
hey there, big boy... is that a wicket in your pocket or are you just ...

Perhaps you could use 'are there bails with your balls.'
The alliteration seems to work.

Posted by Welease Woderwick (# 10424) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Latchkey Kid:
...Perhaps you could use 'are there bails with your balls.'...

The callee seems to lack the latter as he hasn't responded at all - I think he's hiding under the desk, eyes closed with his fingers in his ears going "la-la-la-la..."

Posted by Evensong (# 14696) on :

quote:
Originally posted by comet:

hey there, big boy... is that a wicket in your pocket or are you just ...

Might I respectfully suggest:

hey there, big boy....is that two Kookaburras and a stump in your pocket or are you just.....?

Posted by balaam (# 4543) on :

Kookaburras??

You're just bragging because Australian kingfishers are bigger than British ones.

Posted by Imaginary Friend (# 186) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Welease Woderwick:
I think he's hiding under the desk, eyes closed with his fingers in his ears going "la-la-la-la..."

"Advance, Australia, fair..." more like.

Posted by Patdys (# 9397) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Imaginary Friend:

quote:
Originally posted by Welease Woderwick:
I think he's hiding under the desk, eyes closed with his fingers in his ears going "la-la-la-la..."
"Advance, Australia, fair..." more like.

To be fair, that is the only line to the national anthem any Australian knows.

Cheesy has said in the past that he does not respond to Hell calls. I would not expect that to change.

Posted by Dark Knight (# 9415) on :

Speak for yourself, Patdys. I have even sung the second verse on occasion. Not that I like it much. Or the first, TBH.
And comet - you had me at "hey there". The rest was just disarmingly cute. [Axe murder]

Posted by PeteC (# 10422) on :

He may not respond but I bet you he reads.

He may even be red-faced to note how others perceive him. But I somehow doubt it. Usually when Australia (or he) loses, he goes off to sulk in a corner somewhere, for up to a week.

Posted by lilBuddha (# 14333) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Dark Knight:
The rest was just disarmingly cute.

Look at the avatar. In nature, bright colours are often warning signals. This likely holds true with the unnatural as well, so 'ware the redhead.

Posted by mousethief (# 953) on :

quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:

quote:
Originally posted by Dark Knight:
The rest was just disarmingly cute.
Look at the avatar. In nature, bright colours are often warning signals. This likely holds true with the unnatural as well, so 'ware the redhead.

Go gingerly.

Posted by Evensong (# 14696) on :

Be reddy.

Posted by comet (# 10353) on :

idiots.

Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :

Oh, like you aren't absolutely eating this up. [Big Grin]

Posted by Imaginary Friend (# 186) on :

Can we get back to the topic, which is how much of a chickenshit little scrote thegiantcheeseburger is? Thanks.

Posted by Curiosity killed ... (# 11770) on :

comet - a helpful image explaining cricket

Sorry iF.

Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :

(Crosspost) IF, Unpack that.

See, all I know about the matter is the occasional rise in the level of terse comments aimed at tgc on the cricket thread. The impression I get-- based on his reactions to said terseness-- is that he is angling for just that reaction.

Which-- if I've got it right-- why? Aren't the sports threads an opportunity to bond and exchange experience and engage in the kind of fun, bantery trash- talk that sports fans delight in? How much does it suck that someone is using trash talk as a weapon, thus compromising the whole fun, bantery trash-talk dynamic? Why would someone jettison an opportunity for rapport in favor of some dumb superiority contest?

Seriously, why? As a Murrican, I can testify from close observation that smug isolationism get might lonely after a while.

[ 29. December 2013, 08:53: Message edited by: Kelly Alves ]

Posted by Barnabas62 (# 9110) on :

Australia and the UK, particularly England, are at war. Cricket is one of the battlegrounds, RU is another. Sledging is a weapon of war, Kelly. Historically, Australians do it better than Brits, but we've been catching up. And winning sometimes.

For an Australian, being beaten by the Brits at cricket is a kind of blasphemy as well as a defeat, to be redressed as quickly as possible and preferably to include rubbing our presumed stuck-up noses in the mire of our defeat. Not so much gloating, more a celebration that order has been restored.

On the other hand, we admire gallant losers. Think Scott of the Antarctic. Play up, play up, and play the game.

Or at least we used to be like that "when I were a young lad". Not so much these days. We've tended to join the uncouth, even while looking down our noses at them.

Posted by Evensong (# 14696) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Imaginary Friend:
Can we get back to the topic, which is how much of a chickenshit little scrote thegiantcheeseburger is? Thanks.

He doesn't strike me as a chickenshit. Nor does he strike me as a sore loser.

I get the vibe of a clever, rather passionate chap (most especially about Cricket) with some irascible tendencies.

I've not been aware of his racism but I bow to those who have lived and breathed the Cricket thread since The World Began.

I still wonder why he called Swann "The Chicken". There seems no obvious reason or evidence to do so.

Perhaps it was a sacrificial term. *shrug*

Posted by Evensong (# 14696) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Curiosity killed ...:
comet - a helpful image explaining cricket

I like that! [Big Grin]

Posted by Gee D (# 13815) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Barnabas62:
For an Australian, being beaten by the Brits at cricket is a kind of blasphemy as well as a defeat, to be redressed as quickly as possible and preferably to include rubbing our presumed stuck-up noses in the mire of our defeat. Not so much gloating, more a celebration that order has been restored.

And of course, order has now been restored, victoriously. 4 matches to nil in a five match series, one match to go, suggests strongly that the England ( not Brit) team has resumed its rightful place. God's in His heaven and all's right with the world.

Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Evensong:

quote:
Originally posted by Imaginary Friend:
Can we get back to the topic, which is how much of a chickenshit little scrote thegiantcheeseburger is? Thanks.
He doesn't strike me as a chickenshit. Nor does he strike me as a sore loser.

That's nothing as to how bad a winner he is.

quote:

I get the vibe of a clever, rather passionate chap (most especially about Cricket) with some irascible tendencies.

Clever, yes. Possibly passionate, but tgc simply likes to provoke others. He's deliberately provocative and his cleverness is confined to not getting called more often. That's why I've called him. The Shit goes on and on, quite unrelentingly.

quote:

I've not been aware of his racism but I bow to those who have lived and breathed the Cricket thread since The World Began.

Few if any of his remarks have been outstandingly racist, but it's the drip, drip, drip of jibes against the BCCI and all aspects of cricket in the sub-continent that, taken as a whole, show what a turd he is.

quote:

I still wonder why he called Swann "The Chicken". There seems no obvious reason or evidence to do so.

Perhaps it was a sacrificial term. *shrug*

If you can't work that out, it's no surprise you can't see the racism. tgc clearly reckoned Swann had "bottled" it. In any event, that's how I read it: tgc hasn't been along to discuss it.

Anyway, I'm not surprised Australians are rejoicing at this overwhelming defeat of England. Recovering from Mickey Arthur's reign, the Warner-Root distraction and "Broadgate" were as nothing to a 3-0 defeat that was never as conclusive as that looks. England have had life, form and skill "managed" out of them. Besides, how many Aussies can take opponents seriously if there's a guy in the team named Root?

Posted by Evensong (# 14696) on :

Fair enough to all of the above. I understand Camels and Straws.

quote:
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
If you can't work that out, it's no surprise you can't see the racism. tgc clearly reckoned Swann had "bottled" it. In any event, that's how I read it: tgc hasn't been along to discuss it.

What does it mean to have "bottled" it?

I saw a brief interview on telly by Swann saying he was finding the long overs and test matches too tiring and hard on his body. But that's about it really.

I'm guessing the selection team put pressure on him to retire because he wasn't doing well this time round. ( I recall the high-five between him and Broad when he was none for a hundred in the first or second test).

What I don't know is if he has not being doing well between the July Ashes series ( where he did very well ) and other international test matches in the last year or so.

If so he may have been prevailed upon to retire.

If not he may have been telling the truth in the interview.

Regardless, I can't see him as chickening out. Unless tgc thinks he's trying to retain his stats and go out in glory?

quote:
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:

Anyway, I'm not surprised Australians are rejoicing at this overwhelming defeat of England. Recovering from Mickey Arthur's reign, the Warner-Root distraction and "Broadgate" were as nothing to a 3-0 defeat that was never as conclusive as that looks. England have had life, form and skill "managed" out of them. Besides, how many Aussies can take opponents seriously if there's a guy in the team named Root?

Swings and roundabouts. Seriously. I can't remember the last time we trounced England. (Admittedly I only got into Cricket after the Warne/Gilly etc heyday cos that's when my boys started).

We've been the underdog for ages.

And young Root has a bright future before him methinks.

Posted by Barnabas62 (# 9110) on :

Gee D

Quite right to correct Brits re cricket. Though the odd Scot, Welshman and Irishman (not to mention South African) has represented the English.

(Four nil. The wheels have really come off. And so quickly as well.)

Posted by Dark Knight (# 9415) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Barnabas62:

On the other hand, we admire gallant losers. Think Scott of the Antarctic. Play up, play up, and play the game.

What a load of crap. The chanting about "convict trash" has a long history. It has been brought up in this thread already. Your mob do not get to claim the moral high ground, so quit trying.
It's fine to focus on tgc, and as Evensong said we get the whole camel's back and straw intersection. I just don't think he's coming, so I think you will not receive satisfaction here.

Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Dark Knight:

quote:
Originally posted by Barnabas62:

On the other hand, we admire gallant losers. Think Scott of the Antarctic. Play up, play up, and play the game.
What a load of crap. The chanting about "convict trash" has a long history. It has been brought up in this thread already. Your mob do not get to claim the moral high ground, so quit trying.

While there's probably a bit of transportee blood in most white Australians, there's probably a lot more from the Gold Rush and subsequent waves of mostly free migration. You're not convict trash at all, just perfectly normal economic migrants!

btw, if you want to slag off the British government for any form of "transportation" then the Child Migration schemes probably top the list.

Posted by Imaginary Friend (# 186) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
(Crosspost) IF, Unpack that.

As I've said repeatedly on this thread, my problem is with the appearance of the racism in his posting, especially in how he has a habit of using India, Indians, and Indian cricket any time he needs a negative example of something. I can give chapter and verse from the current cricket thread if you like, but it's been going on for years. Like Sioni said, there is no one clear, shining example of it, but the steady dripping of his bile adds up to a bucket-full. My secondary issue with him not always knowing where the line is for his banter (for example, with his objectionable comments about Jonathan Trott's mental health recently.) Add those together and I think it's perfectly justifiable to call him a scrote.

And he's chickenshit because he won't show up here.

Posted by Barnabas62 (# 9110) on :

Plus I don't like gamesmanship, whoever does it. If that's crap, then I plead guilty. Thought bodyline was gamesmanship, btw. Proof that "gentlemen" could be guilty of scheming, crap behaviour.

I watched Lindwall, Miller, Davison and Benaud bowl, Graveney, Compton, Edrich and Bailey bat in1953, at Headingley. My first experience of watching Test Match cricket. Loved it. That was the pre-sledging era of course. I think the game was better without it.

Posted by orfeo (# 13878) on :

The test match ended before this thread did. Interesting.

Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Imaginary Friend:

quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
(Crosspost) IF, Unpack that.
As I've said repeatedly on this thread, my problem is with the appearance of the racism in his posting, especially in how he has a habit of using India, Indians, and Indian cricket any time he needs a negative example of something. I can give chapter and verse from the current cricket thread if you like, but it's been going on for years. Like Sioni said, there is no one clear, shining example of it, but the steady dripping of his bile adds up to a bucket-full. My secondary issue with him not always knowing where the line is for his banter (for example, with his objectionable comments about Jonathan Trott's mental health recently.) Add those together and I think it's perfectly justifiable to call him a scrote.

And he's chickenshit because he won't show up here.

Thanks. It was the introduction of the idea of "trash talk"--which should be fun, said the obnoxious niners fan-- that threw me a little. How does tcg' BS differ from basic trash talk? I guess was my question. which you and Barnabas are answering.
I mean, I had an idea, and I wanted to throw my support behind your plea to return to the subject, what the hell does my Murrican, cricket-not watching ass know? Y'all gotta speak slowly and write at the eight grade reading level.

Posted by Patdys (# 9397) on :

And repeat yourself twice. [Big Grin]

Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :

Why not? IF did. : D

Posted by PeteC (# 10422) on :

For those whose cultural background does not include cricket, I strongly recommend What is a googly?

Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :

I guess I can read the rules of the game, but it takes someone with experience to tell me the game-specific nuance of trashtalk.

[ 30. December 2013, 02:38: Message edited by: Kelly Alves ]

Posted by PeteC (# 10422) on :

I can read rules too, but that's not what the book is about.

Trash talk is fine. Sledging causes international incidents.

And racism is never ok.

Posted by Evangeline (# 7002) on :

This is a pretty lame hell call, and most of you are being a bit precious aren't you? The only legitimate complaint about GCB's comments is his inappropriate comments on Trott's departure and that wasn't even part of the OP anyway. Plenty has been said all over the place and most of it not by Australians about Swann's departure. eg that great ambassador for England, Piers Morgan has said plenty and it does appear to be extremely poor form on Swann's part, hardly fair to castigate GCB for that.

One can also have a problem with the way cricket is played and managed in and by India without this being a racial thing. You can dislike Indian cricket without disliking Indians per se. I was disgusted by the racism of the Indian team and supporters towards Andrew Symons and the disgusting Harbajan Singh incident which was condoned and continued by India cricket was a case in point. Talk about one rule for themselves and another one for everyone else. so-called MonkeyGate scandal The way India treated Steve Bucknor and use their financial might to get their way is another case in point. There is no love lost between Indian and Australian cricket, it's not racist that this history of acrimony surfaces in many Australians' views on cricket.

Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :

So, since I can't get hold of the book right now, I guess this is what I want to know-- is there a racist undertone to "sledging" that is absent in run of the mill "yo mama" talk?

I am trying to figure out why tgc or the peoples soft-pedaling his stuff think he has a leg to stand on. I am worried that the hippie in me is much more shocked that she needs to be.

[Hey, Evangeline! Thanks for the counterpoint!]

[ 30. December 2013, 03:23: Message edited by: Kelly Alves ]

Posted by Evangeline (# 7002) on :

Nope Kelly, there should not be a racist undertone and indeed there are very harsh penalties for racist comments on the field, unless you are from India and then they're overlooked.

Australians are famous for nasty sledging or as they call it verbal intimidation, designed to get the opposing team to lose their cool, There's an amusing little insight from one of Australia's larrikins, Merv Hughes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKe-ugc-yTs

Posted by Ariston (# 10894) on :

quote:
Originally posted by PeteC:
I can read rules too, but that's not what the book is about.

Trash talk is fine. Sledging causes international incidents.

And racism is never ok.

And this, I think, gets right to the heart of the matter. If I accuse a Phillies fan of setting fire to busloads of nuns as a tailgating activity or point out that Chelsea is a great team for those who are just fine with the bandwagon, I know I'm probably going to hear pointed comments from Hedgehog about how 130 years, not 8, is a tradition, while Imaginary Friend will probably remind me of a slightly inconvenient truth. Every sports fan knows the jabs against their franchise, knows the jabs against every other club, and, hopefully, knows how to be creative in giving and countering, but not abusive when you've been out-trashed. Frankly, trash talking is a sport all in itself, with its own rules, most of which are informal and unspoken—but, just as duels and wars have rules, so too does talking smack.

And one of those rules is "Thou Shalt Not Cause International Incidents or Race Riots."

Cricket and cycling are international sports, oftentimes with international tensions, post-colonial resentments and histories, and old nationalistic scores simmering just below the surface. Sometimes it's good (Gino Bartali's victory in the '48 Tour de France helping to defuse revolutionary tensions in Italy), but more often, it can be Ugly. Talking up your own side is just fine; slagging off on someone else's homeland or people is not. There is a line that cannot be crossed—and, while this line gets really fine when there are national teams competing against one another, it's still possible to stay well clear from crossing it. One way to do this is to admit that there are people from opposing teams or countries who are themselves skilled (as those of you who hang around on the AS cycling thread know, I'm a fan of a few Dutch teams and cyclists—but, if I have any personal connection to the Netherlands, it'd come as news to me), which is something I've yet to see our absent callee do.

Posted by Imaginary Friend (# 186) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
So, since I can't get hold of the book right now, I guess this is what I want to know-- is there a racist undertone to "sledging" that is absent in run of the mill "yo mama" talk?

Hang on, hang on.

Let's get one thing straight. Sledging is talk between players during play. It is not something that supporters do, by definition. We are not talking about tgc sledging here because that's not what he is doing. In fact, sledging really is a red herring in this discussion. I'm not familiar enough with the American idiom of "trash talk" to know if that is an appropriate phrase, but in British parlance, I think a better word would for the somewhat abrasive style that tgc adopts would be shit-stirring.

And for the record, I'm fine with a bit of shit-stirring on the sports threads in the Circus. Especially the football and cricket threads where that kind of exchange between supporters is part of the game. Goodness knows I've done it enough times on those two threads.

What I'm not okay with is the persistent, low-level derogatory comments about people from the sub-continent in general, and Indians in particular. And it's also better if everyone on those threads knows where the line is, and tgc fairly frequently doesn't.

Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :

OK, that helps a lot.

For the record, AFAIK "trash talk" among Americans can be player-on-player or fan-on-fan. When I tell my nephew the Raiders are going to wind up little rusty smears on the astrotuf? Trash talk. When I tell Smudgie her repeated beatdowns of me on Scrabble are me luring her into striking range? Trash talk. So, yeah, maybe I needed clarification.

And understand I am (as stated) a Niners fan, and lots of my family are Raiders fans, and they in turn tend to follow the Latin America football clubs, so don't think I don't know the importance of their being lines one doesn't cross. Brazil. Just saying.

I just wanted to know more about how it was playing out with this joker.

Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :

Well, since I'm asking questions:

quote:
Originally posted by Evangeline:
Nope Kelly, there should not be a racist undertone and indeed there are very harsh penalties for racist comments on the field, unless you are from India and then they're overlooked.

Not that two wrongs make a right--especially when AFAIK, there are no Indian shipmate currently race baiting here on the Ship-- but what is this about?

[ 30. December 2013, 06:13: Message edited by: Kelly Alves ]

Posted by Imaginary Friend (# 186) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Evangeline:
The only legitimate complaint about GCB's comments is his inappropriate comments on Trott's departure and that wasn't even part of the OP anyway.

So? Sioni made his points, I made mine. I don't believe there is any requirement for a thread to stay within the confines of the OP.

quote:
Originally posted by Evangeline:
Plenty has been said all over the place and most of it not by Australians about Swann's departure. eg that great ambassador for England, Piers Morgan has said plenty and it does appear to be extremely poor form on Swann's part, hardly fair to castigate GCB for that.

Nobody did. Nice straw-man.

quote:
Originally posted by Evangeline:
One can also have a problem with the way cricket is played and managed in and by India without this being a racial thing. You can dislike Indian cricket without disliking Indians per se.

I agree. But for tgc, it quite obviously is a racial thing because he frequently imports these issues into conversations about completely separate topics. For example, here where a totally needless reference to India "spitting the dummy" is made in a conversation about whether cricket should be an Olympic event. Or here, just three posts later, where unmasking the "shadowy" and corrupt Indians and Pakistanis are invoked as a possible tactic for the ECB in making sure cricket doesn't gain entry to the Olympics.

Or how about this example where a snide and completely unnecessary insinuation is made that the Indian team only competes when they thinks they can win, an idea which also crops up here. The competence and impartiality of umpires from India is also a common theme, for example here where the point was perfectly clear without saying anything about the BCCI, in this post he makes a sweeping generalization about all Indian umpires and Indian culture, and how a debutant umpire was India's twelfth man.

And of course, we all know that all Indian players are corrupt as well. In fact, Greame Swann is lucky he's not Indian! Because Indians always look after their own.

And finally, those pesky Indians have to consult Aussie groundsmen because, bless 'em, they're just not up to it on their own.

This is just from the 2013 cricket thread. Believe me, it's been going on like this for years.

Posted by Evangeline (# 7002) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Imaginary Friend:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Evangeline:
[qb]The only legitimate complaint about GCB's comments is his inappropriate comments on Trott's departure and that wasn't even part of the OP anyway.So? Sioni made his points, I made mine. I don't believe there is any requirement for a thread to stay within the confines of the OP.

You're right, I wasn't criticising you for including it, I should have made it clear that at that point I was commenting on the hell call, which was the OP. I agree that comments about Trott are inappropriate.

quote:
Originally posted by Evangeline:
Plenty has been said all over the place and most of it not by Australians about Swann's departure. eg that great ambassador for England, Piers Morgan has said plenty and it does appear to be extremely poor form on Swann's part, hardly fair to castigate GCB for that.Nobody did. Nice straw-man.

Yes they did, I was commenting on this from the OP/hell call:

quote:
Originally posted by Sioni says His latest jibe at Graeme Swann, who has played a huge part in three successive Ashes series victories over Australia is a typically nasty and cheap shot by this, the wrong kind of 'floater'.

As for the rest of the anti-subcontinent stuff, maybe I haven't been following the cricket thread closely enough, I'll admit my interest wanes when Australia play atrociously as they have done in the last few years prior to this Ashes series. I still think the acrimony between Australian cricket and Indian cricket isn't necessarily racially motivated but perhaps I have been oblivious to a cumulative effect of comments.

Posted by Dark Knight (# 9415) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
Well, since I'm asking questions:

quote:
Originally posted by Evangeline:
Nope Kelly, there should not be a racist undertone and indeed there are very harsh penalties for racist comments on the field, unless you are from India and then they're overlooked.

Not that two wrongs make a right--especially when AFAIK, there are no Indian shipmate currently race baiting here on the Ship-- but what is this about?

Nothing. It's nonsense.
And I'm Anglo-Indian BTW. Not that I'm race-baiting. I've lived in Aus all my life, and I'm a big supporter of Aus cricket.
IF's list is quite comprehensive, and does make it plain that the OP is a case of the straw breaking the camel's back. IF is also quite right about sledging being a red herring in this call, and I for one apologise for dwelling on it.

Posted by Imaginary Friend (# 186) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Evangeline:
As for the rest of the anti-subcontinent stuff, maybe I haven't been following the cricket thread closely enough, I'll admit my interest wanes when Australia play atrociously as they have done in the last few years prior to this Ashes series. I still think the acrimony between Australian cricket and Indian cricket isn't necessarily racially motivated but perhaps I have been oblivious to a cumulative effect of comments.

You claim ignorance while quoting the post where I lay out the evidence? Sheesh. And learn to fucking code. Seriously.

But I'll take your point about the Swann stuff having come up - I'd forgotten that comment. Still, his comparison of Swann's situation to Trott's was over the line, IMO.

Posted by Evangeline (# 7002) on :

Imaginary Friend, I wasn't claiming ignorance of the links you gave, just saying that as I hadn't followed the thread closely, when I look at the links they don't prove racism to me.

Kelly Alves, we're talking about cricket sledging here nothing to do with racism or race baiting on the boards WTF??????? I was trying to explain the acrimony between Australia and India in terms of cricket not justifying racism, unfortunately the incident which makes me have zero time and respect for INdian cricket is a race one-which gets confusing. The history of the incident to which I referred and provided links above is as follows:

An Australian player, Darren Lehman was banned for 5 matches and the entire Australian team criticised when Lehman was dismissed and in the dressing room, he yelled out black c-. presumably referring to the Sri Lankan cricketer who had dismissed him. The Australian team were given severe warnings that even if they overheard a racist comment and didnt report it they would be punished as complicit everyone accepted this as fair punishment.

in 2008 SIngh (an Indian bowler) is alleged to have called Symonds a monkey -this was reported by the match umpires, overheard by other Australian players and Singh was hauled over the coals and banned for 3 matches.

The Indian Cricket Control Board said they would bring the team home if Singh was not cleared, Tendulkar who previously claimed not to have heard anything, suddenly got his memory back and said that Singh had used a local language swearword that sounded like "monkey" and lo and behold Singh was found not guilty, the ban overturned and he got a small fine for using obscene language. A little later, when he dismissed Symonds, he rolled on the ground imitating a monkey (I saw this on tv and that did it for me in terms of Indian cricket-very ugly act that said I got away with racism and I'm continuing to do it with the support of my team mates and governing body). Summary article here

Meanwhile, this is what happened to Symonds when he later played in India. Sure the cricketing body can't control the rampant racism of its fans but their defence of Singh set the stage for it and so it goes on unabated

From the Herald Sun article, linked above.

quote:
INDIAN fans turned on Australia in Mumbai last night, bombarding all-rounder Andrew Symonds with graphic racial taunts and personal abuse.

Mumbai showed its ugly side in the seventh and final match of the one-day series, taking its cue from an Indian cricket board (BCCI) that has branded Symonds a liar after his claims of racist taunts in the fifth match in Vadodara.

An Australian photographer captured evidence of Indian crowds' racial vilification of Symonds and abuse of teammates.

The blatant racism and the photographs forced BCCI president Sharad Pawar and Cricket Australia chairman Creagh O'Connor last night to issue a joint statement deploring racism.

A Cricket Australia spokesman had earlier said "work was going on behind the scenes" to avert major discord between it and the BCCI.

The 40,000 crowd erupted as Symonds left the dressingroom to replace No. 4 batsman Brad Hodge.

A deafening torrent of abuse followed the batsman of the series out to the middle.

Many spectators jumped up and down like gorillas, spewed vitriol and made animal noises.

Local officials reacted by flashing the ICC's anti-racism code on the venue's big screen, but it had little effect. ...

I reiterate, that this in no way justifies anybody making racist comments elsewhere and I'm not defending each and every comment by GCB, I'm just saying that disliking, even despising INdian cricket doesn't mean that you are racist, you might be but maybe you're just disgusted by racism being condoned by cricketing authorities in India.

Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Evangeline:

Kelly Alves, we're talking about cricket sledging here nothing to do with racism or race baiting on the boards WTF??????? I was trying to explain the acrimony between Australia and India in terms of cricket not justifying racism, unfortunately the incident which makes me have zero time and respect for INdian cricket is a race one-which gets confusing. The history of the incident to which I referred and provided links above is as follows:

You know, in life, on the board, fucking everywhere, I am really sick of people thinking all they have to do is wind themselves up and shriek at me to get me to back down. Fuck that forever.

WTF????? is that comment being aimed at me for? Why is the person who actually shrieked at YOU getting carefully prepared arguments, and I get indignance for-- what was I doing? Asking questions.

No, nevermind, Logic follows. You yell at me because I don't know enough about the sport to respond as thoroughly as he does. You take more care with IF because- he's probably right. Or based on your lashing out at the prospect of being questioned, that's what is easiest for me to believe. He hit a sore spot, so you find someone easier to slap. Enter the dumb chick who knows nothing about cricket. Thank you, Baby Jesus!

Oh and if you actually take the time to read what I was asking about the quote I provided from you-- I was asking if you had a point!

[ 30. December 2013, 10:09: Message edited by: Kelly Alves ]

Posted by Imaginary Friend (# 186) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Evangeline:
I reiterate, that this in no way justifies anybody making racist comments elsewhere and I'm not defending each and every comment by GCB, I'm just saying that disliking, even despising INdian cricket doesn't mean that you are racist, you might be but maybe you're just disgusted by racism being condoned by cricketing authorities in India.

Nobody is suggesting that tgc is racist because he holds negative views of Indian cricketers, the BCCI, and anyone who's not sufficiently Australian. I am saying he's racist because he frequently imports these negative views into conversations that have nothing to do with India or Indians. Surely you can see the difference?

Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :

Evangeline,

For a "lame thread" you're giving this one hell of a lot of attention. How much is the Shitburger paying you to act as his mouthpiece?

[ 30. December 2013, 14:38: Message edited by: Sioni Sais ]

Posted by Sandemaniac (# 12829) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Imaginary Friend:
This is just from the 2013 cricket thread. Believe me, it's been going on like this for years.

His last post in the rugby thread ("The game that batters", circa June (how the flip do you link to a post, BTW?) pretty much sums it up - bait, then skulk off in a huff when the bait goes bad. No balls other than rugby ones. I notice he hasn't been seen on the cricket thread for a few days, maybe he's trying the same and hoping no-one notices. That looks chickenshit (or at least can't-be-arsed-to-follow-it-through) to me. As, whatever he says, as far as I am concerned is not answering Hell calls. Act like a twat, hide behind the rules and ignore it when it isn't going your way. That's far from sporting.

He's obsessed with Bodyline, never mind that it happened over 80 years ago, and is determined to use it as a stick to trash England with (and I think he's in his twenties - I mean for fuck's sake, your grandfather might have had cause to get up his arse about it, you haven't, grow up and move on). And yes, he egowanks over how wonderful Australia, Adelaide etc are/is whilst doing his damnedest to do everyone else down.

Say what you like about Australians, and what I'll say about most of them is pretty positive (even when English arse is being whupped), but I am quite happy to say that this one in particular has made it very clear to my eyes that most of the time he is a nasty, baiting, grade one twat, and I feel sorry for those of you who have to share a continent with him because it wouldn't be far enough away for my liking. If he were in my cricket club, I would be sorely tempted to piss in his beer. Now, if the cheeseburger who just occasionally (all too occasionally) shows up who is passionate and thoughtful and not so far up his own arse he's in danger of vanishing in a puff of poo would join the club, I might just buy him a glass of urine-free frothy yellow liquid, but sadly I think I'm pretty safe on that one.

AG

Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Sandemaniac:
(how the flip do you link to a post, BTW?)

AG

I hope this is what you want:

Just to the left of 'Posted dd Month yyyy' of any post is what looks like a piece of paper with a corner turned over. That gives the address, within the Ship, of the post. Find the post you want, click on the "piece of paper" and the address appears in the http line of your browser. Cut and paste that string into your post, with the usual [url.../url] stuff and that should do the stuff.

Now, hie thee unto the UBB practice thread and have a try.

Sioni Sais
Helpful Hellhost

[ 30. December 2013, 21:27: Message edited by: Sioni Sais ]

Posted by Moo (# 107) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
Just to the left of 'Posted dd Month yyyy' of any post is what looks like a piece of paper with a corner turned over. That gives the address, within the Ship, of the post. Find the post you want, click on the "piece of paper" and the address appears in the http line of your browser. Cut and paste that string into your post, with the usual [url.../url] stuff and that should do the stuff.

Alternatively, when you right click on the piece of paper icon, one of the alternatives shown is something like, 'Copy link location'. (The exact words vary from browser to browser.) Click on that and then paste it into your post.

Moo

Posted by Og: Thread Killer (# 3200) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Barnabas62:

For an Australian, being beaten by the Brits at cricket is a kind of blasphemy ..

Given the English team of late has been made up of South Africans, Irish, and others (including a Zimbabwean soon, if press reports are to be believed), the Australians have nothing to fear in this regard.

Posted by Dark Knight (# 9415) on :

Nice one, Og. If anything is going to lure tgc out to comment here, it is a nice meat pie full toss lobbed gently like that one.

Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Og: Thread Killer:

quote:
Originally posted by Barnabas62:

For an Australian, being beaten by the Brits at cricket is a kind of blasphemy ..
Given the English team of late has been made up of South Africans, Irish, and others (including a Zimbabwean soon, if press reports are to be believed), the Australians have nothing to fear in this regard.

The list goes on and on (NZ, Papua New Guinea, India, West Indies; even Australia!). For some strange reason people born outside the United Kingdom actually want to play for us! It goes that way in most sports, and I really don't get why it's a problem to anyone at home* or elsewhere.

*wherever that may be.

Posted by Sandemaniac (# 12829) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
Now, hie thee unto the UBB practice thread and have a try.

Thank you, Sioni.

This is the post I was referring to. He's never returned to the thread, maybe something to do with the result of the final test?

AG

Posted by Imaginary Friend (# 186) on :

His last post before that was several months before and I certainly don't think of him as a regular on the rugby thread. Classic bit of anti-Pom shit-stirring that.

Which, I have to say, I have no problem with. What good is a Lions tour if the part-time fans can't have a bit of fun with it?

Posted by Og: Thread Killer (# 3200) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
... The list goes on and on (NZ, Papua New Guinea, India, West Indies; even Australia!). For some strange reason people born outside the United Kingdom actually want to play for us! It goes that way in most sports, and I really don't get why it's a problem to anyone at home* or elsewhere.

*wherever that may be.

Play where you can at the best level possible.

But when some tool who grew up here chooses to play for the States, then I reserve the right to chant nasty things.

Posted by Patdys (# 9397) on :

On behalf of cheesy, five nil. [Razz]

Posted by Dark Knight (# 9415) on :

Woo hoo! [Yipee]

Posted by Gee D (# 13815) on :

After the aberration of last winter, it's good to see that the proper order of the universe has been restored and that the England team taught a sound lesson.

Posted by Sandemaniac (# 12829) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Patdys:
On behalf of cheesy, five nil.

The difference is that you are Australian, not an arrogant sexist etc dickhead. Well, not in my experience in the cricket threads, anyway, in case it's a label you fancy.

But yes, a well-deserved result. For both sides...

AG

Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :

Jonathan Agnew, the BBC's senior cricket commentator, described England's performance in Australia as "In a two-horse race they came ninth".

Hyperbole, exagerration, yes. Inaccurate? Maybe not. Had it been boxing, the refere would have stopped the fight after England's first innings in Adelaide, when they trailed Oz by 398 runs. FFS, it's not Brisbane or Perth, where we usually struggle and while Australia have good players who were well led, the 5-0's in the past have been against sides with all-time greats in the teams.

Posted by deano (# 12063) on :

Putting the cricket to one side – and I would really like to do that! – I find Cheesy to be just anti-British.

There are no debates that he doesn’t inject some anti-British sentiment into. He hates Great Britain, her history, culture, achievements and future.

He just doesn’t like Britain or British people.

Anyway, well done to Australia on the cricket.

What else is there to say except enjoy it while it lasts… about 18 months you Aussie sheepfuckers!

Posted by Imaginary Friend (# 186) on :

quote:
Originally posted by deano:
He just doesn’t like Britain or British people.

But it's hard for me to object to that without sounding like a whinging Pom. [Biased]

Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Imaginary Friend:

quote:
Originally posted by deano:
He just doesn’t like Britain or British people.
But it's hard for me to object to that without sounding like a whinging Pom.

That term is usually applied to people of recent British origin in places like OZ, New Zealand and certain others (mostly ex-Empire) when they complain about this that or the other not being available or better better in Dear Old Britain.

Posted by Imaginary Friend (# 186) on :

I'm pretty sure it's been used in relation to entitled English sports fans as well.

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