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A (female) friend of mine flew jets for the RAF; she talks fondly of screeching just over people sunbathing nude, but I guess you don't get to see their reactions.
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Round here they mainly fly with a wingman, who is always a little bit behind the first plane.
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Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
I've been reading up on this and found that women have been learning to fly and obtaining licenses for well over 100 years (c 1908) and flying as aircrew since about 1930. In the 1939-45 war most British built aircraft were delivered by members of the Air Transport Auxiliary, which had about 150 women pilots who received the same pay as their male counterparts!
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And over on the eastern front at that time Soviet women were flying combat missions (though the ones given that name weren't flying combat planes!) and rather feared.
(learned when reading for a Sof previous women&(male assoc activity) thread)
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Since we're talkig flying here, let's pause a moment with a thought and a prayer for the people who were on board MH 370
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it seems there might have been foul play ivolved.
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Originally posted by Desert Daughter:
Since we're talkig flying here, let's pause a moment with a thought and a prayer for the people who were on board MH 370
it seems there might have been foul play ivolved.
Yes, thanks for pointing out my disconnect.
It definitely doesn't look good, I hope it turns out ok, but I can't see how.
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Originally posted by no prophet:
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Originally posted by mousethief:
It's worth being angry that our society is such that somebody can have his attitudes and not be ashamed. And not just one somebody. Look at all the mouth-breathers coming to his defense (not on this thread but out there). Without shame. That's worth being angry about.
While true, and very nasty, this incident is only being discussed because it was written down. I'm thinking of what I've heard this week that was not written down, including "fucking Indian", "squaw", "rubbie", and "shark bait", here all applied to North American Indians. If such a discussion of egregious sexism can actually lead somewhere, we might justify ongoing commentary in a thread like this one. I do think the original napkin comment is an act of violence, and that violence is the original evil.
It was nasty, and I'm still not sure whether or not it was a joke (probably because I am not sure anyone could be this backward at the same time as they are willing to put that backwardness on display). But it isn't violence. Unless you want to expand the semantic range of that word to the point where it is meaningless.
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Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
I've been reading up on this and found that women have been learning to fly and obtaining licenses for well over 100 years (c 1908) and flying as aircrew since about 1930. In the 1939-45 war most British built aircraft were delivered by members of the Air Transport Auxiliary, which had about 150 women pilots who received the same pay as their male counterparts!
'Round here, we had the
WASPS.
Yeah, Dave, the genie's been out of the bottle on that one for a long time. And may we ladies collectively say "You're welcome" to you, in their stead, for their service during our darkest hour?
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
['Round here, we had the
WASPS.
I had a WASP as a flight instructor for a while when I did some refresher training in the US back in the late '80s. She was a great teacher, and full of stories. I never met anyone who understood airplanes (and the people who drive them) so well. It was an honour to fly with her.
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The problem with that idiot and his note is well known: Piloting is (wrongly!) constructed as a manly activity. As if flying a plane required great physical force, and the superior intellect only males can muster ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
The truth is, it does not. Neither one nor the other. Actually, something flying does require are very highly developed multitasking skills, something females are supposed to be better at (and I know these are generalisations).
But because the whole thing has been constructed as "macho", insecure men still get irritated at the sight of a female pilot.
I guess the best way to deal with it is shrug it off. These types will always be around. Just close the cockpit door behind you... and ring the steward for a coffee once you've reached cruising altitude.
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Over the years I have grown to believe that "multitasking" simply means "doing the work of 4 people so I only have to pay 1." In other words-good point about flying being a genuinely multi tasking job.
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Can't. Stop. Pedant. Escaping. Save yourselves!
There is no such thing as multitasking in the sense it is used. It is processing tasks segmented and sequentially.
But women do that better than men.
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
Can't. Stop. Pedant. Escaping. Save yourselves! There is no such thing as multitasking in the sense it is used. It is processing tasks segmented and sequentially.
If you can walk through the park while chatting to a friend, then you can multitask in the full sense of the word. It takes a rather refined view of "task", focusing on conscious executive control, to claim that the parallel computing of the brain is "single task".
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
But women do that better than men.
Evidence?
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Originally posted by Desert Daughter
Actually, something flying does require are very highly developed multitasking skills, something females are supposed to be better at (and I know these are generalisations).
Interestingly, in my job I have not seen any evidence that this is true.
I (a male) can physically care for a patient while talking to him or her, whereas I have noticed that some (though not all) of my female colleagues do one or the other - or engaging in conversation with the patient tends to slow down the physical work. I am not saying there is anything wrong with this, and perhaps it's to do with the women wanting to make sure they have the patient's attention, or they're concerned with eye contact. That may be a very good thing. But it's not multi-tasking.
From my experience I think this multi-tasking claim is an urban myth.
Here's an interesting article about this subject (I don't agree with everything in it, and I certainly don't knock feminism per se, but it's worth a read).
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Originally posted by EtymologicalEvangelical:
Here's an interesting article about this subject (I don't agree with everything in it, and I certainly don't knock feminism per se, but it's worth a read).
That's not an article, it's a blog post by someone with an axe to grind. You might as well post what a man in a pub told you.
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So no opinion about the content of the article / blog post / back of fag packet or whatever...?
This seems to be the way of the Ship: "If I don't like what someone says, then I play the ad hominem".
So tedious. So childish.
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Sioni Sais
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Originally posted by EtymologicalEvangelical:
So no opinion about the content of the article / blog post / back of fag packet or whatever...?
This seems to be the way of the Ship: "If I don't like what someone says, then I play the ad hominem".
So tedious. So childish.
You may have missed the point but ... this is Hell, the natural home of the ad hominem. I was trying to save pixels and see what thanks I get
Anyhow, the purported article was chock-full of more urban myths and hearsay, so it can hardly be used to prove or disprove anything.
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EtymologicalEvangelical
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Ok.
Ignore the pathetic blog post then.
Others may want to read it. You never know...
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Originally posted by IngoB:
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
Can't. Stop. Pedant. Escaping. Save yourselves! There is no such thing as multitasking in the sense it is used. It is processing tasks segmented and sequentially.
If you can walk through the park while chatting to a friend, then you can multitask in the full sense of the word. It takes a rather refined view of "task", focusing on conscious executive control, to claim that the parallel computing of the brain is "single task".
Multitasking as it is generally used does not refer to walking and talking, but doing multiple tasks overlapping. Such as writing multiple reports instead of finishing one then beginning another. Working on a report, preparing for a meeting, checking on the children, scheduling health appointments etc. over the course of day.
Mulitasking
However, whilst we do things like walking and talking simultaneously, the more concentration one takes, the less concentration is available for the other. This is why one is more likely to trip whilst talking than when merely walking. This is why talking on one's mobile makes for poorer driving.
In other words, the brain can parallel process some things, however with finite resources. So efficiency at one is sacrificed by reduced efficiency at the other.
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Originally posted by IngoB:
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
But women do that better than men.
Evidence?
Hah. It was more a throw away dig than a real statement.
It would be more properly put that women suck at it less.
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Originally posted by EtymologicalEvangelical:
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Originally posted by Desert Daughter
Actually, something flying does require are very highly developed multitasking skills, something females are supposed to be better at (and I know these are generalisations).
Interestingly, in my job I have not seen any evidence that this is true.
I (a male) can physically care for a patient while talking to him or her, whereas I have noticed that some (though not all) of my female colleagues do one or the other - or engaging in conversation with the patient tends to slow down the physical work. I am not saying there is anything wrong with this, and perhaps it's to do with the women wanting to make sure they have the patient's attention, or they're concerned with eye contact. That may be a very good thing. But it's not multi-tasking.
From my experience I think this multi-tasking claim is an urban myth.
Here's an interesting article about this subject (I don't agree with everything in it, and I certainly don't knock feminism per se, but it's worth a read).
While I broadly agree that most articles these days are no more authoritative than a blog or a bloke at the pub, this particular piece of poisonous crap falls into the, 'hectoring lunatic in the park' category. The point about multitasking is nothing to do with a job being multifaceted, as such, and everything to do with not being able to finish a task before a new one arises. And the issue with 'men only have one job' arose because many women worked at one paid job outside the home, then another, unpaid one inside it. For the people who genuinely divided the labour, like his parents, or my husband's grandparents, fair enough. But my parents, for example, both had jobs earning money (my mother earned less, of course) then she was responsible for all cooking, cleaning, shopping, washing, childcare, communication with relatives, mending of clothes, organizing of festivals like Christmas, gardening, attending parents evening and other social activities... while my dad fixed the car from time to time, cut the grass (lawn 4 foot square) and was seen at church a lot.
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
Multitasking as it is generally used does not refer to walking and talking, but doing multiple tasks overlapping.
You can understand my comment as pointing out that it is a specific kind of unscientific bias to not count walking and talking as two tasks carried out simultaneously.
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
In other words, the brain can parallel process some things, however with finite resources. So efficiency at one is sacrificed by reduced efficiency at the other.
I suspect that the truth is rather more interesting than that. For example, if instead of talking you simply are listening to the environment, and hear a "crack" as you trip, then you might use that auditory input to determine a more effective reaction - namely by taking a hop instead of stomping down, since you correctly guessed that the wooden plank beneath your feet has snapped. A parallel channel can aid or distract, depending on whether the information carried can be integrated or must be blocked.
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
It would be more properly put that women suck at it less.
They looked only at "a certain type of multitasking; the kind we use when faced with juggling many tasks in rapid succession - but not quite simultaneously." And then they mixed that up with stress responses. And then they used complex tasks, which is always an invitation for bias. For example, look at the pictures of male vs. female search patterns, which gets paraded as "just bizarre" in the male case. Actually, in being faced with a task designed to be impossible to complete in time, I like the male search pattern they show better. It's a "greedy" strategy trying to cover much likely drop space quickly, rather than all of it systematically but slowly. Anyway, it is of course possible that women are in fact better at this or even all multitasking. Just take such experiments with a grain of salt...
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I actually agree witn you, Bingo, ol' bean. I think the labeling of women as innate multitaskers has created "traditionally female" jobs that require you to break your ass covering four different job functions while accepting much lower pay.
( i just re-read "The Help", and am pissed. At one point we decided black people were designed for hard labor, too.)
And I see that " flimsy blog post teference" and raise you one "some FB article I read and can't be bothered to find"... I came across a study once that seemed to indicate that, in general, human beings are bad multitaskers, and forcing them into that role is what creates the necessity for women to gulp Valium and men to pop their clogs at 60 years old, to find a minute's peace. Maybe it's because I identify as a shitty multitasker, but I tend to agree. Anyone- even I --can learn to multitask if their paycheck depends on it.
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Originally posted by IngoB:
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
Multitasking as it is generally used does not refer to walking and talking, but doing multiple tasks overlapping.
You can understand my comment as pointing out that it is a specific kind of unscientific bias to not count walking and talking as two tasks carried out simultaneously.
Yes, I understand this. And I hope that you understand that most people speaking of multitasking are not speaking in a scientific sense at all.
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Originally posted by IngoB:
I suspect that the truth is rather more interesting than that. For example, if instead of talking you simply are listening to the environment, and hear a "crack" as you trip, then you might use that auditory input to determine a more effective reaction - namely by taking a hop instead of stomping down, since you correctly guessed that the wooden plank beneath your feet has snapped. A parallel channel can aid or distract, depending on whether the information carried can be integrated or must be blocked.
Leaving aside your bad example,* I understand that the brain is taking in multiple streams of information and that it is processing some tasks simultaneously. However, there is a limited amount your brain can take in. It is very efficient at discarding things which do not seem important at the moment they happen. Sometimes it keeps the right things and you avoid falling down into the ravine, sometimes it is wrong and you walk into traffic.
Most people are much poorer at processing their environment then they think.
*A hop and a stomp down are the same thing, downward force is needed to create the hop. But I understand what you mean to illustrate.
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
Leaving aside your bad example,* I understand that the brain is taking in multiple streams of information and that it is processing some tasks simultaneously. However, there is a limited amount your brain can take in. ... *A hop and a stomp down are the same thing, downward force is needed to create the hop. But I understand what you mean to illustrate.
You did not bother comprehending what I was saying about the difference between blocking and integrating information. Fine, I did not really expect you to understand that. However, a hop and a stomp down are different in where you end up at the end of the motion. If all foot support is gone instantly, then you are simply falling and it does not matter at all what your legs are doing. Often this is not the case though, and if something is giving way under you, then I would recommend to attempt a hop rather than to stomp down. Perhaps you can comprehend that, it is not exactly rocket science... or neuroscience, for that matter.
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EVERYTHING is neuroscience. Hell, this post is neuroscience.
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Wind gusts aren't neuroscience.
Or carrots.
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Originally posted by IngoB:
You did not bother comprehending what I was saying about the difference between blocking and integrating information. Fine, I did not really expect you to understand that.
I do understand the difference between blocking and integration. What I said is that the brain does not always choose appropriately.
ETA; You are ever sooo cute when you are condescending.
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Originally posted by orfeo:
Wind gusts aren't neuroscience.
Or carrots.
You feel the wind! That's Neuroscience!
You taste carrots! That's Neuroscience!
You sat there and applied cognitive reasoning to my statement in order t find exceptions to it-- All Neuroscience!
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
ETA; You are ever sooo cute when you are condescending.
I know. Whereas you stay entirely unremarkable whatever you do.
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
You feel the wind! That's Neuroscience! You taste carrots! That's Neuroscience! You sat there and applied cognitive reasoning to my statement in order t find exceptions to it-- All Neuroscience!
This is materialist solipsism, a particularly stultifying philosophical position. However, just should at least replace "neuroscience" with "brain function", or something similar. Because the study of something simply is not identical with that something.
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Originally posted by IngoB:
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
ETA; You are ever sooo cute when you are condescending.
I know. Whereas you stay entirely unremarkable whatever you do.
This caused a genuine chuckle. Well done and thank you.
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Originally posted by IngoB:
However, just should at least replace "neuroscience" with "brain function", or something similar. Because the study of something simply is not identical with that something.
Oh, you are just so... Correct. That's what I meant. ![[Hot and Hormonal]](icon_redface.gif)
And while I definitely don't agree with the sentiment ( you should pray to be half as interesting as lilb's accumulated toe clippings!) I also thought that was a great line.
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
And while I definitely don't agree with the sentiment ( you should pray to be half as interesting as lilb's accumulated toe clippings!) I also thought that was a great line.
I agree. Somebody accumulating their toenail clippings is really very interesting indeed. Is there some technical term for compulsive keratin hoarding?
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Wait. I didn't read that carefully enough, did I? lilb is accumulating his toe clippings? Oh, wow. We are talking a heap of rotting human flesh that has been accumulated by regular harvesting from the toes, which are allowed to grow back scar tissues in between clippings?
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Tell you what, one tenth as interesting as lilb will do just fine for me.
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HER! you dink!
As for the toe thing-- Boy, it seems my calling in life is to unintentionally provide comedy for the masses. Thanks a lot, God. Now allow me to make money off of it.
(Further edit) I kinda like what you did with the toe harvest tableau. It's... poetic.
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Ingo is on fire.
The good kind. The metaphorical state of being on top of his game. Not the kind where we debate whether to help him out by urinating on him.
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Or hope the flames reach the gunpowder soon.
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Originally posted by EtymologicalEvangelical:
Ok.
Ignore the pathetic blog post then.
Others may want to read it. You never know...
OK, it took a while for me to get a Round Tuit, but now that I have, I’d just like to point out one or two items from the blog EE linked to.
I’m no expert, never having been either a mom or a traditional housewife, but it strikes me that the blog’s writer, observing his-her-its mother’s workday while home from school, has missed a few items. Here’s his-her-its list of Mom’s activities:
- •6:30 – 7:00 AM Wake up and help my dad get ready for work. Make his lunch etc. Get the kids up. Feed them breakfast.
•8:00 - 8:30 AM Pack the kids off to school.
•8:30 AM Go back to bed. Sleep for a while.
•9:30 – 10:00 Get up again. Do some light housework for an hour. Maybe go to the shop to buy something for dinner.
•12:00 - 4:30 PM. Eat lunch, listen to music, watch TV, read a book, meet friends, drink tea.
•4:30 PM Kids come home from school.
•5:00 – 5:30 PM Start to prepare dinner.
•6:00 PM Dad arrives home. Eat dinner together.
•8:00 PM Washing up all done. Sit down with family to watch TV or chat.
•9:00 PM Kids go to bed.
•11:00 PM Parents go to bed
First, it doesn’t seem to occur to the writer that his/her own presence at home might possibly have altered Mom’s schedule. Depending on age and maturity, most children require at least some supervision, especially if they’re home from school because of illness; perhaps more so if they’ve been suspended from school for bad behavior.
Second, it appears that no one in this family uses textiles of any kind. There’s no mention of sorting, laundering, drying, pegging out, taking down, folding, putting away, mending, or producing (knitting, crocheting, sewing, etc.) any such items. What’s more, in addition to going nude, it seems the family don’t use sheets, towels, or napkins; nor have they any curtains at their windows. Must be entertaining for the neighbors.
Third, I love this “buy something for dinner” item. Apparently, this family has the matching Bottomless Fridge and Cupboard set, where all one has to do is pick up a package of chops for supper, because any other items which might be needed to prepare this meal are already on hand.
Then there’s the “light housework” thing. Seriously: if you have a kid who might vomit or call out at any moment, is that the point at which you’re going to drag out the vacuum and do the stairs? Mop the kitchen floor? Defrost and scrub down the Bottomless Fridge?
Also, I like the lunch which, despite getting eaten, requires zero preparation. Even better, it’s a lunch which produces no cleanup to do afterward. I love me one of those, especially if I can eat it at home and not have to tip a waiter.
Higher up the list, there’s the “pack the kids off to school.” As I say, I haven’t personally been responsible for anything like this, but I’ve been present, tried to help, seen it done. It usually involves about half-an-hour of “Where’s my clarinet? I have band practice today!” and “Oh, I need $14 for the field trip, and it has to be exact change!” and “I’m supposed to bring brownies today for the class party. Do we have any?” and “Where are my cleats? I have soccer practice after school!” and “Have you seen my backpack?” and “Where are my pink barrettes? Cindy and Cathy and I decided we’re all wearing pink barrettes today!”
I can’t speak for others, but personally I’d need more bed-time after a half-hour of that.
Oh, and let’s hope these kids either get picked up by a bus or a car pool or live close enough to school to walk, because there’s no hint that Mom’s involved in getting them there.
I confess to being a bit puzzled by the total lack of interaction between this apparently bone-idle Mom and her kid who’s normally in school but is now home. Instead of taking its temp or rubbing Vicks on its little chest or playing checkers with it or fixing its pillow (though maybe that’s gone the way of the other textiles) or reading it a story, she watches TV. What are the odds? Dear Shiply mothers: is that what you do when one of yours is home sick? Completely ignore the little bugger?
I could go on, but, well.
Sorry. As you were. But this blog has appeared on the right thread; it should be in here with the knuckle-draggers.
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Originally posted by IngoB:
Tell you what, one tenth as interesting as lilb will do just fine for me.
1/10? Can I help? I have a shears on the workbench. They are not too rusty. And they are very strong, designed for hedges, but they managed to cut tin! Only dulled them a little. But the ratcheting mechanism will make up for that. They close 2 or 3 mm each squeeze of the handles. If we start near a joint, it should not take incredibly long. Provided the gears do not bind, which happens only 1/3 of the time.
So, which toe?
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I wanna know who's supervising homework in that family. Or taking the brat to the doctor's. As for watching TV, I've never met a mother yet who could pry the controls out of her sick darling's hands. Or even tries, as that increases the whining tenfold. Which prevents one from paying the bills, doing the taxes, and assorted other fun activities-- while eating bonbons, of course.
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So, I finally read the blog of which you speak.
It is either written by an idiot or a troll.
This is the header.
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The feminist movement can be regarded as a crypto-fascist cult in which women are encouraged to gather in secret for the purpose of hating men.
Idiot or troll. Deserves condemnation, yes. Belongs on this thread, most certainly. Clicked a couple other posts on the blog. Idiot or troll. As is anyone who follows it.
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Originally posted by orfeo:
Not the kind where we debate whether to help him out by urinating on him.
I had always pegged you (*) as a rather "conservative" sexual pervert, so to speak. Turns out you are fantasising about golden showers... who would have thought.
(*) No, not with a strap-on.
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
So, I finally read the blog of which you speak. ... Clicked a couple other posts on the blog. Idiot or troll. As is anyone who follows it.
The problem with self-flagellation is that it feels a bit awkward to cheer it on. I generally find that some silent appreciation increases the fervour most.
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I'm beginning to worry, man.
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
I'm beginning to worry, man.
I've given up being nice for Lent. ![[Biased]](wink.gif)
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Yeah, because nothing turns on a pervert like giving practical help. You should see the lather I get into at taking off my trenchcoat and offering it to someone who's cold.
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Originally posted by Porridge:
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Originally posted by EtymologicalEvangelical:
Ok.
Ignore the pathetic blog post then.
Others may want to read it. You never know...
OK, it took a while for me to get a Round Tuit, but now that I have, I’d just like to point out one or two items from the blog EE linked to.
I’m no expert, never having been either a mom or a traditional housewife, but it strikes me that the blog’s writer, observing his-her-its mother’s workday while home from school, has missed a few items. Here’s his-her-its list of Mom’s activities:
- •6:30 – 7:00 AM Wake up and help my dad get ready for work. Make his lunch etc. Get the kids up. Feed them breakfast.
•8:00 - 8:30 AM Pack the kids off to school.
•8:30 AM Go back to bed. Sleep for a while.
•9:30 – 10:00 Get up again. Do some light housework for an hour. Maybe go to the shop to buy something for dinner.
•12:00 - 4:30 PM. Eat lunch, listen to music, watch TV, read a book, meet friends, drink tea.
•4:30 PM Kids come home from school.
•5:00 – 5:30 PM Start to prepare dinner.
•6:00 PM Dad arrives home. Eat dinner together.
•8:00 PM Washing up all done. Sit down with family to watch TV or chat.
•9:00 PM Kids go to bed.
•11:00 PM Parents go to bed
First, it doesn’t seem to occur to the writer that his/her own presence at home might possibly have altered Mom’s schedule. Depending on age and maturity, most children require at least some supervision, especially if they’re home from school because of illness; perhaps more so if they’ve been suspended from school for bad behavior.
Second, it appears that no one in this family uses textiles of any kind. There’s no mention of sorting, laundering, drying, pegging out, taking down, folding, putting away, mending, or producing (knitting, crocheting, sewing, etc.) any such items. What’s more, in addition to going nude, it seems the family don’t use sheets, towels, or napkins; nor have they any curtains at their windows. Must be entertaining for the neighbors.
Third, I love this “buy something for dinner” item. Apparently, this family has the matching Bottomless Fridge and Cupboard set, where all one has to do is pick up a package of chops for supper, because any other items which might be needed to prepare this meal are already on hand.
Then there’s the “light housework” thing. Seriously: if you have a kid who might vomit or call out at any moment, is that the point at which you’re going to drag out the vacuum and do the stairs? Mop the kitchen floor? Defrost and scrub down the Bottomless Fridge?
Also, I like the lunch which, despite getting eaten, requires zero preparation. Even better, it’s a lunch which produces no cleanup to do afterward. I love me one of those, especially if I can eat it at home and not have to tip a waiter.
Higher up the list, there’s the “pack the kids off to school.” As I say, I haven’t personally been responsible for anything like this, but I’ve been present, tried to help, seen it done. It usually involves about half-an-hour of “Where’s my clarinet? I have band practice today!” and “Oh, I need $14 for the field trip, and it has to be exact change!” and “I’m supposed to bring brownies today for the class party. Do we have any?” and “Where are my cleats? I have soccer practice after school!” and “Have you seen my backpack?” and “Where are my pink barrettes? Cindy and Cathy and I decided we’re all wearing pink barrettes today!”
I can’t speak for others, but personally I’d need more bed-time after a half-hour of that.
Oh, and let’s hope these kids either get picked up by a bus or a car pool or live close enough to school to walk, because there’s no hint that Mom’s involved in getting them there.
I confess to being a bit puzzled by the total lack of interaction between this apparently bone-idle Mom and her kid who’s normally in school but is now home. Instead of taking its temp or rubbing Vicks on its little chest or playing checkers with it or fixing its pillow (though maybe that’s gone the way of the other textiles) or reading it a story, she watches TV. What are the odds? Dear Shiply mothers: is that what you do when one of yours is home sick? Completely ignore the little bugger?
I could go on, but, well.
Sorry. As you were. But this blog has appeared on the right thread; it should be in here with the knuckle-draggers.
![[Killing me]](graemlins/killingme.gif)
MUST show this to Mrs Backslider; she could do with a good laugh. Make her grateful she hasn't found the job she wants yet. Or not.
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Originally posted by orfeo:
You should see the lather I get into at taking off my trenchcoat and offering it to someone who's cold.
Ahh, the good old St Martin of Tours defence against charges of exhibitionism...
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Originally posted by IngoB:
quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:
You should see the lather I get into at taking off my trenchcoat and offering it to someone who's cold.
Ahh, the good old St Martin of Tours defence against charges of exhibitionism...
Hey, St. Martin only gave away half his trenchcoat, and the nuns at the Catholic school told me plainly in answer to my question that he kept the middle half.
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The thread title seems ready-made for this guy.
Summary: Feminists "whinging imbeciles" who make "cretinous demands" and "need a good slap round the face".
Firstly, you seem to be quite the expert at whingeing yourself, matey.
Secondly, it's whingeing, not 'whinging', and kowtow, not 'cow-tow'. Cretin.
Thirdly, what kind of a person holds a politics-related job and posts this kind of thing on facebook for all to see? Oh - wait - an imbecile.
Have a slap - from me. Not because you're a guy, or because you're anti-feminist, anti-ginger, racist , entitled and self-satisfied, mind you. Just - it seems like it would complete the circle, somehow...
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My goodness. What a wanker.
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Re the guy who anoesis mentioned:
On the grounds of "ladies first", I'm sure we could gather a delegation of women to slap him before he slaps us. Purely for educational purposes, of course.
![[Two face]](graemlins/scot_twoface.gif)
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--"Oh, Peace Train, save this country!" (Yusuf/Cat Stevens, "Peace Train")
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Originally posted by Golden Key:
Re the guy who anoesis mentioned:
On the grounds of "ladies first", I'm sure we could gather a delegation of women to slap him before he slaps us. Purely for educational purposes, of course.
For some reason I find an image of a lockside on the Thames and a large wet fish coming to mind - with the queue of women passing the fish between them like a rounders bat.
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Oooo, the fish-slapping dance! ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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--"Oh, Peace Train, save this country!" (Yusuf/Cat Stevens, "Peace Train")
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In another post last year, Green described an incident in which he offered a seat to a woman on a bus but was refused.
Referring to the woman as a "fat ginger b****," he added: "I am absolutely sick and tired of this feminism nonsense. It really has gone too far.
"Quite a few of these women need a good slap round the face."
See, there is his problem... he was on a BUS! ![[Disappointed]](graemlins/disappointed.gif)
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