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Posted by lilBuddha (# 14333) on :
 
Did this idiot make transfer from 1950?
Walk next time, tosser.
 
Posted by Anglican't (# 15292) on :
 
It's a shame she only received the note after landing. Had she known beforehand, she could have removed herself from the cockpit during the flight and found a more suitable seat in the passenger cabin. Perhaps 'David' could have volunteered to take over?
 
Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :
 
Fuck that guy.

Few weeks ago I ran across this: 3-year-old girl already knows her "place"

I found it poignant, because I was an "A-Team" fan when I was a kid and it took me 40 years and a ride on a Disneyland Virtual Reality ride for me to realize-- I din't want so much o be Murdock's girlfriend as I wanted to be Murdock. I mean, both would have been cool-- but boy, did I want to fly that helicopter.
 
Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Anglican't:
It's a shame she only received the note after landing. Had she known beforehand, she could have removed herself from the cockpit during the flight and found a more suitable seat in the passenger cabin. Perhaps 'David' could have volunteered to take over?
This, too [Big Grin]

"OMG! I'm having a hot flash, or a premenstrual attack! OMG, DOOOWN we go, oh wait my estrogen has balanced,back on keel Sorry about that, people."

As the captain says, though, the fact that the uniform reaction of her crew was "what the FUCK?" is encouraging. Not, "Don't take it personally." Not, "You just have to put up with it," But "That is definitely uncool." Good to have the backup of your team mates.

[ 06. March 2014, 06:35: Message edited by: Kelly Alves ]
 
Posted by The Phantom Flan Flinger (# 8891) on :
 
But at least the man had the grace to put "sorry not PC" on his note.
 
Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :
 
[Killing me]

Oh God, I missed that. Oh God, I am such an asshole for condemning a true gentleman. How on earth can I hold my feminazi head up in public anymore! I sentence myself to two straight months of exclusive reading of "Martha Stewart Living!"
 
Posted by Alan Cresswell (# 31) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by The Phantom Flan Flinger:
But at least the man had the grace to put "sorry not PC" on his note.
Also "respectfully", although a strange form of respect.
 
Posted by Matt Black (# 2210) on :
 
Proof that the words, "with respect" (or their equivalent) usually mean "anything but".
 
Posted by Anglican't (# 15292) on :
 
He appears to have written 'respetfully'.
 
Posted by orfeo (# 13878) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by The Phantom Flan Flinger:
But at least the man had the grace to put "sorry not PC" on his note.
He could have left out the 'P'.
 
Posted by Tortuf (# 3784) on :
 
Just think about this poor bastard's life. Everywhere he goes women are in charge of things instead of him. Everywhere he goes women are doing things he cannot do.

Everywhere he goes women are more successful than him.

Want to know how I figure that? How else would he have not known that women were pilots? He clearly has not been able to afford to fly since he hatched somewhere in the Dark Ages.

Seriously, this guy is torturing himself every day of his life. He could get help; help I am not offering him.

Sometimes the saddest clowns are the ones who do it to themselves.
 
Posted by Panda (# 2951) on :
 
He doesn't seem to have the courage of his convictions, given that the best he could do was to passive-aggressively leave the note on his seat, rather than actually say it to her face.

And on a napkin! Surely if you're in the habit of making bigoted observations like that, you'd keep a proper notebook with you. After all, as Tortuf points out, every day he might meet a woman bus driver, doctor, lawyer, police officer. Or a teacher!

And it obviously hasn't occurred to him that it's possible to be a pilot and a mother at the same time. If you're not full-time, you shouldn't bother.

As a woman, a pilot and a priest I should clearly just pack up and go back to my kitchen. Oh, wait, no. I won't, because in my world it's 2014.
 
Posted by The5thMary (# 12953) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
[Killing me]

Oh God, I missed that. Oh God, I am such an asshole for condemning a true gentleman. How on earth can I hold my feminazi head up in public anymore! I sentence myself to two straight months of exclusive reading of "Martha Stewart Living!"
Martha Stewart?! Oh no, no, no, no, my dear! She is a FEMINIST and thinks she can operate an empire WITHOUT a man! No, no, dearie, the lady (not a woman, mind you, but a LADY!) you want to model yourself after is Phyllis Schlafly! Now, there's a lady who knows her place! Also you might try emulating the lovely helpmeet of Tim LaHaye, Beverly LaHaye, who knows that God, the great Sky Father wants women (oops! Ladies!) to be vessels to bring forth mostly male children.
 
Posted by The5thMary (# 12953) on :
 
My dear female friends... we are VESSELS! [Killing me] [Killing me]
 
Posted by jacobsen (# 14998) on :
 
This vessel likes filling up with good red wine. [Biased]
 
Posted by Taliesin (# 14017) on :
 
But the poor little man is illiterate, we have to make allowances. His Janet and John books have not prepared him sufficiently for; 'look, John, look at the plane. Janet is flying the plane.'

By the way, in 1983 I wanted to be a pilot, and I changed my mind when someone told me I'd need A1 eyesight and a maths A level. Clearly neither those was going to happen, so I switched ambitions. At no point did any one suggest gender was a problem or issue, and it certainly never crossed my mind.

Never ceases to amaze me that some cultures are lagging half a century behind...
 
Posted by Lamb Chopped (# 5528) on :
 
'cept I don't know if we can blame any culture for him. A really, really, REALLY small subculture perhaps. (If I were speculating in Hell, I'd wonder about some sort of personal history for this guy. He sounds like someone who has his knickers in a twist over a mother, wife, or daughter of his own who has had the temerity to go out and have a life rather than standing around all day making sandwiches for him.)
 
Posted by Lyda*Rose (# 4544) on :
 
Proverbs 31? Obviously she should be a captain of business, a manufacturer and landowner.
 
Posted by Pigwidgeon (# 10192) on :
 
It’s a good thing this jerk isn’t an American Episcopalian.

The Most Rev. Katharine Jefferts Schori is not only our first woman Presiding Bishop,
quote:
She is an instrument-rated pilot, and both her parents were pilots... [her] daughter Katharine is a captain and pilot in the United States Air Force.


[ 06. March 2014, 14:02: Message edited by: Pigwidgeon ]
 
Posted by Alan Cresswell (# 31) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Pigwidgeon:
It’s a good thing this jerk isn’t an American Episcopalian.
How do you know? Just because he was flying on a Canadian airline doesn't mean he's not American or Episcopalian. He may have moved north to escape the Episcopal church that is clearly under Satanic control appointing a bishop who's from a family of female aviators.
 
Posted by Spike (# 36) on :
 
OK, so this bloke is a total pillock, and a cowardly one at that, but is it really worth getting angry about it?
 
Posted by mousethief (# 953) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by The5thMary:
My dear female friends... we are VESSELS! [Killing me] [Killing me]
Nuclear family wessels.
 
Posted by lilBuddha (# 14333) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Spike:
OK, so this bloke is a total pillock, and a cowardly one at that, but is it really worth getting angry about it?
Hell is for venting, vent I did.
Worth being angry? Dunno, I was, after posting and reading the responses, I'm not.

Thank you, my lovelies.

[ 06. March 2014, 14:36: Message edited by: lilBuddha ]
 
Posted by orfeo (# 13878) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Tortuf:
Just think about this poor bastard's life. Everywhere he goes women are in charge of things instead of him. Everywhere he goes women are doing things he cannot do.
Small children are doing things he cannot do. Like live in the 21st century.
 
Posted by Leaf (# 14169) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Spike:
OK, so this bloke is a total pillock, and a cowardly one at that, but is it really worth getting angry about it?
Pfft. Spoken like a male driver. Obviously your rage-inducing hormones disqualify you from such a dangerous job, and it's a wonder and a sin that you attempt it. Hang up your keys and let the nice bus lady take you safely to and from your destinations, as God intended.
 
Posted by Spike (# 36) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Leaf:
quote:
Originally posted by Spike:
OK, so this bloke is a total pillock, and a cowardly one at that, but is it really worth getting angry about it?
Pfft. Spoken like a male driver. Obviously your rage-inducing hormones disqualify you from such a dangerous job, and it's a wonder and a sin that you attempt it. Hang up your keys and let the nice bus lady take you safely to and from your destinations, as God intended.
Where the fuck did I say anything like that?
 
Posted by Leaf (# 14169) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Spike:
quote:
Originally posted by Leaf:
quote:
Originally posted by Spike:
OK, so this bloke is a total pillock, and a cowardly one at that, but is it really worth getting angry about it?
Pfft. Spoken like a male driver. Obviously your rage-inducing hormones disqualify you from such a dangerous job, and it's a wonder and a sin that you attempt it. Hang up your keys and let the nice bus lady take you safely to and from your destinations, as God intended.
Where the fuck did I say anything like that?
Why are you so angry?
 
Posted by no prophet (# 15560) on :
 
Okay, so a teenager wanted to piss off the teacher. Was successful.
 
Posted by Spike (# 36) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Leaf:
quote:
Originally posted by Spike:
quote:
Originally posted by Leaf:
quote:
Originally posted by Spike:
OK, so this bloke is a total pillock, and a cowardly one at that, but is it really worth getting angry about it?
Pfft. Spoken like a male driver. Obviously your rage-inducing hormones disqualify you from such a dangerous job, and it's a wonder and a sin that you attempt it. Hang up your keys and let the nice bus lady take you safely to and from your destinations, as God intended.
Where the fuck did I say anything like that?
Why are you so angry?
I'm not angry, I'm just bemused by your reply to what I said
 
Posted by lilBuddha (# 14333) on :
 
Hold on, how about we discuss Spike's question; Is this worth being angry about?
I say it is. Not because of this napkin leaving australopithecus, but for the more subtle, yet pervasive sexism which still affects women.
 
Posted by mousethief (# 953) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
Hold on, how about we discuss Spike's question; Is this worth being angry about?
I say it is. Not because of this napkin leaving australopithecus, but for the more subtle, yet pervasive sexism which still affects women.
It's worth being angry that our society is such that somebody can have his attitudes and not be ashamed. And not just one somebody. Look at all the mouth-breathers coming to his defense (not on this thread but out there). Without shame. That's worth being angry about.
 
Posted by RuthW (# 13) on :
 
Preach it, brother mousethief.
 
Posted by IngoB (# 8700) on :
 
Well, yeah. But it's a bit boring to be angry about this here. Unless we are lucky to attract some random troll from the web, just who is going to stoke up any controversy about this how?
 
Posted by RuthW (# 13) on :
 
Yeah, the closest we're getting to that is Spike's post.
 
Posted by mousethief (# 953) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by IngoB:
Well, yeah. But it's a bit boring to be angry about this here.
I can teach you how to use the scroll bar if you like. It's not terribly hard.
 
Posted by IngoB (# 8700) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
quote:
Originally posted by IngoB:
Well, yeah. But it's a bit boring to be angry about this here.
I can teach you how to use the scroll bar if you like. It's not terribly hard.
The irony of your comment presumably escapes you.
 
Posted by lilBuddha (# 14333) on :
 
Tut, tut, mousethief. IngoB does not need to learn the use if the scroll bar. Surely someone who so exemplifies the reason to use the scroll bar must be a master.
 
Posted by mousethief (# 953) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by IngoB:
quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
quote:
Originally posted by IngoB:
Well, yeah. But it's a bit boring to be angry about this here.
I can teach you how to use the scroll bar if you like. It's not terribly hard.
The irony of your comment presumably escapes you.
"I know you are so what am I" is such a lame come-back, but I must bow to you as the master of it. Anything but accept criticism. Can't do that. You're IngoB.
 
Posted by orfeo (# 13878) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by IngoB:
Well, yeah. But it's a bit boring to be angry about this here.
In the last couple of months I've had the joy of reading how people feel about the weather, and now I've got to deal with a thread where people are discovering the relative unit cost of heating, and you think this is a demonstration of something boring to get angry about?
 
Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :
 
Thank you, Orfeo. Spot on.
 
Posted by IngoB (# 8700) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:
and you think this is a demonstration of something boring to get angry about?
Nope, that's not what I said. I said it's boring to get angry about that here, given the inevitable (and yes, justified) one-sidedness of the ensuing response. Perhaps we could hand out a Rumpelstilzchen award to the most convincing display of outrage, just to keep his thread from deteriorating into a discussion of mousethief's fetish for scroll bars?
 
Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by IngoB:
quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:
and you think this is a demonstration of something boring to get angry about?
Nope, that's not what I said. I said it's boring to get angry about that here, given the inevitable (and yes, justified) one-sidedness of the ensuing response. Perhaps we could hand out a Rumpelstilzchen award to the most convincing display of outrage, just to keep his thread from deteriorating into a discussion of mousethief's fetish for scroll bars?
Good idea. You win.
 
Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by IngoB:
Nope, that's not what I said. I said it's boring to get angry about that here, given the inevitable (and yes, justified) one-sidedness of the ensuing response.
What, like the Phelps thread?
 
Posted by Pearl B4 Swine (# 11451) on :
 
You mean David's flight didn't wind up smashed into the side of a mountain? God be praised; miracles still happen. I suppose the co-pilot (a penis&testicle equipped person) actually had control of the plane, much like a driving instructor can, in an instant, save the car from a crash.
 
Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :
 
I Just got the coolest image of the guy's penis snaking over and grabbing the yoke.
 
Posted by Evensong (# 14696) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by IngoB:
quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:
and you think this is a demonstration of something boring to get angry about?
Nope, that's not what I said. I said it's boring to get angry about that here, given the inevitable (and yes, justified) one-sidedness of the ensuing response. Perhaps we could hand out a Rumpelstilzchen award to the most convincing display of outrage, just to keep his thread from deteriorating into a discussion of mousethief's fetish for scroll bars?
Or even more fun: let's discuss the little Buddha's problem with non-attachment. She's so very unzen.

Or we can go deeper and discuss my irritation with Buddhist philosophies and how so many westerners think Buddhism is the best thing since sliced bread.

Bunch of misguided try hards.

[ 06. March 2014, 23:22: Message edited by: Evensong ]
 
Posted by lilBuddha (# 14333) on :
 
Oh, sweety, you are sooo precious!

quote:
Originally posted by Evensong:
Or even more fun: let's discuss the little Buddha's problem with non-attachment. She's so very unzen.
Zen is but one form of Buddhism and if you want something to be detached, step a bit closer.

quote:
Originally posted by Evensong:

Or we can go deeper and discuss my irritation with Buddhist philosophies
Jesus not bringing you any understanding or peace?
quote:
Originally posted by Evensong:

and how so many westerners think Buddhism is the best thing since sliced bread.

Bunch of misguided try hards.
You have a very poor understanding of religious history and human psychology, it would appear. You judge a religion by a few of its followers? That does not bode well if you ever study the history of Christianity....
 
Posted by RuthW (# 13) on :
 
Could we just talk about penises driving planes? And not have yet another thread given over to Evensong?
 
Posted by balaam (# 4543) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Panda:
And it obviously hasn't occurred to him that it's possible to be a pilot and a mother at the same time.
But then she could be breastfeeding as she comes into land. I may never get on a plane again!
 
Posted by mousethief (# 953) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by RuthW:
Could we just talk about penises driving planes? And not have yet another thread given over to Evensong?
I'd like to see Evensong and IngoB debate penises. Because they're both dicks.
 
Posted by Golden Key (# 1468) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
Hold on, how about we discuss Spike's question; Is this worth being angry about?
I say it is. Not because of this napkin leaving australopithecus, but for the more subtle, yet pervasive sexism which still affects women.
Remove "more subtle, yet", and substitute "again rampant and":

quote:
...but for the again rampant and pervasive sexism which still affects women.
Inclusive language is mostly gone. (AFAICT, seems to have shifted around Dubya's presidency. Dunno if there's a connection.) I'm so sick of "Man, Mankind, Congressmen (for a mixed group)", etc. Depiction of women in the media. Pay is still lower than men's. Rape. Trafficking. Abuse. Assault. Murder.

[Mad]

And yes, I know much of this happens to men, too, and it's awful then, too.
 
Posted by IngoB (# 8700) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
Good idea. You win.
Naw, I'm not feeling it.

quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
Zen is but one form of Buddhism and if you want something to be detached, step a bit closer.
A Buddhist fighting a Christian? The sound of one hand clapping on the other cheek.
 
Posted by deano (# 12063) on :
 
When I read the thread title I though I'd been called to Hell again. Imagine my dissapointment when it wasn't about me.

Anyway, I think my favourite newspaper (the daily Mash) has found out who "David" really is.
 
Posted by Evensong (# 14696) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
Oh, sweety, you are sooo precious!

quote:
Originally posted by Evensong:
Or even more fun: let's discuss the little Buddha's problem with non-attachment. She's so very unzen.
Zen is but one form of Buddhism and if you want something to be detached, step a bit closer.
A violent Buddhist? *SHOCK HORROR*

Pax.

I'm merely pissed my muslim parents didn't follow the faith of their ancestors and I had to re-find it.

White people doing eastern religion just seems so tawdry.

But it's okay. As Sioni Sais says, I'm well balanced. I have a chip on both shoulders in this area.

quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
quote:
Originally posted by RuthW:
Could we just talk about penises driving planes? And not have yet another thread given over to Evensong?
I'd like to see Evensong and IngoB debate penises. Because they're both dicks.
That's sexist.

Bitch, if you please.

quote:
Originally posted by IngoB:

quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
Zen is but one form of Buddhism and if you want something to be detached, step a bit closer.
A Buddhist fighting a Christian? The sound of one hand clapping on the other cheek.
[Big Grin]
 
Posted by Porridge (# 15405) on :
 
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Posted by Kyzyl (# 374) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by RuthW:
Could we just talk about penises driving planes? ...
Gives a new meaning to "Snakes on a Plane".

"I've had it with these *&^&%%! penises on this *^%! plane!"
 
Posted by Lamb Chopped (# 5528) on :
 
I'm wondering about the adaptations you'd need to make to the cockpit...
 
Posted by Tortuf (# 3784) on :
 
For instance, it would have to get larger when things got exciting.
 
Posted by deano (# 12063) on :
 
flaps anyone?
 
Posted by Ariston (# 10894) on :
 
Oh You People. Can't let a "good" dick joke slide can you? Just have to, uh, whip it to death.

And why has nobody commented on the drawings on the back of the napkin? Are those supposed to be her kids, and, if so, why is only one of them wearing any clothes? Does David secretly support letting your daughters run around naked?

Updates at 6.
 
Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :
 
If so, it would be typical misogynist behavior. Sighs and frowny faces to the idea of a woman pursuing the career she wants or expressing the ideas she has, but start talking about a woman's right to flash her boobs at Mardi Gras and he turns into Jerry Rubin.

"I fully support a woman expressing her FEMININE POWER (but understand that power is restricted solely to sexual manipulation, and then only if it turns me on personally, and doesn't lead to you doing things I personally think you shouldn't do.)"
 
Posted by orfeo (# 13878) on :
 
I was on a plane yesterday. The pilot sounded male, but I never saw the bugger. For all I know it was a voice recording cunningly used to disguise the truth that the pilot was an alien hybrid with tentacles.

AND he had one of those funny sounding names. Although that could have just been the crackly intercom. They're always crackly.

Finally, TICTH the woman who asked the smoking hot bodybuilder in my row to swap seats so she could sit with her friend.
 
Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :
 
See? It always winds up "cherchez la femme."
 
Posted by lilBuddha (# 14333) on :
 
So, if flying is related to sex, you want a male pilot for a short jerky flight with a long layover and a female pilot for a long, steady flight or for a multiple flights in one trip.
 
Posted by mousethief (# 953) on :
 
But not one who screams through the entire landing.
 
Posted by Golden Key (# 1468) on :
 
Gotta love a Christian website. [Biased] [Snigger]
 
Posted by Lamb Chopped (# 5528) on :
 
Hey! I'm away from my old job--I can get one of those ITIWACWS mugs now! (well, not now--after I get a new job, please God, next week) [Yipee] [Yipee] [Yipee]

I can finally come out of the closet about the Ship. [Devil]
 
Posted by Desert Daughter (# 13635) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by deano:
flaps anyone?
Get your plane facts right. Pilots of either gender deploy them to slow things down and do a steep descent. So not what would be required in the circumstances alluded to.

Why do women learn to fly (I know, did)? Well, they might find the company of planes relaxing compared to that of men... Airplanes are straightforward (hah!), solid, and utterly trustworthy. They don't have moods, they don't pout if you leave them on the tarmac for a couple of days, they have a regular and predictable fuel intake which you can moderate with a couple of tricks, and they will take you anywhere without complaint.

They do exactly as you tell them. In a plane-girl relationship, it is always the girl who files the flight plan.
They are always there for you (no plane is known to spend hours in front of a computer screen burrowed in SoF posts when there's a life to be shared with a family outside). If you take good care of them, they'll last for decades and descades -unfailingly.

If something is wrong with them, they will let you know in an unemotional, easy to understand way. Once that is fixed, they bear no grudge. That is because they are all so well-built. No airplane is allowed out into the world unless it has passed stringent quality tests!!

Airplanes aren't selfish, and they honestly don't care what your hair or your clothes look like. And yet they are wonderfully complex and sensitive, and flying them is like having a dialogue with them.

Coming to think of it... all a girl really needs is a plane, a dog, and a good library...

[Big Grin]
 
Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :
 
[Overused]

I want to print that out and read it by candlelight in a bubble bath with a good hand nozzle.
 
Posted by Golden Key (# 1468) on :
 
DD--

What, no chocolate???

[Frown]
 
Posted by Desert Daughter (# 13635) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Golden Key:
DD--

What, no chocolate???

[Frown]
...oh yes, Chocolate, of course! Dark chocolate, preferably. But just not during lent... a girl must know her limits...
 
Posted by no prophet (# 15560) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
It's worth being angry that our society is such that somebody can have his attitudes and not be ashamed. And not just one somebody. Look at all the mouth-breathers coming to his defense (not on this thread but out there). Without shame. That's worth being angry about.
While true, and very nasty, this incident is only being discussed because it was written down. I'm thinking of what I've heard this week that was not written down, including "fucking Indian", "squaw", "rubbie", and "shark bait", here all applied to North American Indians. If such a discussion of egregious sexism can actually lead somewhere, we might justify ongoing commentary in a thread like this one. I do think the original napkin comment is an act of violence, and that violence is the original evil.
 
Posted by orfeo (# 13878) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
But not one who screams through the entire landing.
This made me laugh out loud at a moment I really needed it. My faith in Hell has been restored.
 
Posted by mousethief (# 953) on :
 
Glad I could help! [Big Grin] (Oh wait, is that hellish enough? [Two face] )
 
Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :
 
I've been reading up on this and found that women have been learning to fly and obtaining licenses for well over 100 years (c 1908) and flying as aircrew since about 1930. In the 1939-45 war most British built aircraft were delivered by members of the Air Transport Auxiliary, which had about 150 women pilots who received the same pay as their male counterparts!

The Royal Air Force has had women pilots since 1990 and now has some flying fast jets (Tornados and Typoons) on combat missions. I'm only surprised that there aren't more women aircrew.

It must be Hell up there.

[ 08. March 2014, 15:16: Message edited by: Sioni Sais ]
 
Posted by quetzalcoatl (# 16740) on :
 
A (female) friend of mine flew jets for the RAF; she talks fondly of screeching just over people sunbathing nude, but I guess you don't get to see their reactions.
 
Posted by Eigon (# 4917) on :
 
Round here they mainly fly with a wingman, who is always a little bit behind the first plane.
 
Posted by Jay-Emm (# 11411) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
I've been reading up on this and found that women have been learning to fly and obtaining licenses for well over 100 years (c 1908) and flying as aircrew since about 1930. In the 1939-45 war most British built aircraft were delivered by members of the Air Transport Auxiliary, which had about 150 women pilots who received the same pay as their male counterparts!
...
And over on the eastern front at that time Soviet women were flying combat missions (though the ones given that name weren't flying combat planes!) and rather feared.

(learned when reading for a Sof previous women&(male assoc activity) thread)
 
Posted by Desert Daughter (# 13635) on :
 
Since we're talkig flying here, let's pause a moment with a thought and a prayer for the people who were on board MH 370
[Votive]

it seems there might have been foul play ivolved.
 
Posted by Jay-Emm (# 11411) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Desert Daughter:
Since we're talkig flying here, let's pause a moment with a thought and a prayer for the people who were on board MH 370
[Votive]

it seems there might have been foul play ivolved.
Yes, thanks for pointing out my disconnect.
It definitely doesn't look good, I hope it turns out ok, but I can't see how. [Votive]
 
Posted by Dark Knight (# 9415) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by no prophet:
quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
It's worth being angry that our society is such that somebody can have his attitudes and not be ashamed. And not just one somebody. Look at all the mouth-breathers coming to his defense (not on this thread but out there). Without shame. That's worth being angry about.
While true, and very nasty, this incident is only being discussed because it was written down. I'm thinking of what I've heard this week that was not written down, including "fucking Indian", "squaw", "rubbie", and "shark bait", here all applied to North American Indians. If such a discussion of egregious sexism can actually lead somewhere, we might justify ongoing commentary in a thread like this one. I do think the original napkin comment is an act of violence, and that violence is the original evil.
It was nasty, and I'm still not sure whether or not it was a joke (probably because I am not sure anyone could be this backward at the same time as they are willing to put that backwardness on display). But it isn't violence. Unless you want to expand the semantic range of that word to the point where it is meaningless.
 
Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
I've been reading up on this and found that women have been learning to fly and obtaining licenses for well over 100 years (c 1908) and flying as aircrew since about 1930. In the 1939-45 war most British built aircraft were delivered by members of the Air Transport Auxiliary, which had about 150 women pilots who received the same pay as their male counterparts!
'Round here, we had the
WASPS.

Yeah, Dave, the genie's been out of the bottle on that one for a long time. And may we ladies collectively say "You're welcome" to you, in their stead, for their service during our darkest hour?
 
Posted by Desert Daughter (# 13635) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
['Round here, we had the
WASPS.
I had a WASP as a flight instructor for a while when I did some refresher training in the US back in the late '80s. She was a great teacher, and full of stories. I never met anyone who understood airplanes (and the people who drive them) so well. It was an honour to fly with her.
[Overused]

The problem with that idiot and his note is well known: Piloting is (wrongly!) constructed as a manly activity. As if flying a plane required great physical force, and the superior intellect only males can muster [Roll Eyes]

The truth is, it does not. Neither one nor the other. Actually, something flying does require are very highly developed multitasking skills, something females are supposed to be better at (and I know these are generalisations).

But because the whole thing has been constructed as "macho", insecure men still get irritated at the sight of a female pilot.

I guess the best way to deal with it is shrug it off. These types will always be around. Just close the cockpit door behind you... and ring the steward for a coffee once you've reached cruising altitude.
 
Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :
 
Over the years I have grown to believe that "multitasking" simply means "doing the work of 4 people so I only have to pay 1." In other words-good point about flying being a genuinely multi tasking job.
 
Posted by lilBuddha (# 14333) on :
 
Can't. Stop. Pedant. Escaping. Save yourselves!
There is no such thing as multitasking in the sense it is used. It is processing tasks segmented and sequentially.
But women do that better than men.
 
Posted by IngoB (# 8700) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
Can't. Stop. Pedant. Escaping. Save yourselves! There is no such thing as multitasking in the sense it is used. It is processing tasks segmented and sequentially.
If you can walk through the park while chatting to a friend, then you can multitask in the full sense of the word. It takes a rather refined view of "task", focusing on conscious executive control, to claim that the parallel computing of the brain is "single task".

quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
But women do that better than men.
Evidence?
 
Posted by EtymologicalEvangelical (# 15091) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Desert Daughter
Actually, something flying does require are very highly developed multitasking skills, something females are supposed to be better at (and I know these are generalisations).
Interestingly, in my job I have not seen any evidence that this is true.

I (a male) can physically care for a patient while talking to him or her, whereas I have noticed that some (though not all) of my female colleagues do one or the other - or engaging in conversation with the patient tends to slow down the physical work. I am not saying there is anything wrong with this, and perhaps it's to do with the women wanting to make sure they have the patient's attention, or they're concerned with eye contact. That may be a very good thing. But it's not multi-tasking.

From my experience I think this multi-tasking claim is an urban myth.

Here's an interesting article about this subject (I don't agree with everything in it, and I certainly don't knock feminism per se, but it's worth a read).
 
Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by EtymologicalEvangelical:

Here's an interesting article about this subject (I don't agree with everything in it, and I certainly don't knock feminism per se, but it's worth a read).
That's not an article, it's a blog post by someone with an axe to grind. You might as well post what a man in a pub told you.
 
Posted by EtymologicalEvangelical (# 15091) on :
 
So no opinion about the content of the article / blog post / back of fag packet or whatever...?

This seems to be the way of the Ship: "If I don't like what someone says, then I play the ad hominem".

So tedious. So childish.
 
Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by EtymologicalEvangelical:
So no opinion about the content of the article / blog post / back of fag packet or whatever...?

This seems to be the way of the Ship: "If I don't like what someone says, then I play the ad hominem".

So tedious. So childish.
You may have missed the point but ... this is Hell, the natural home of the ad hominem. I was trying to save pixels and see what thanks I get [Roll Eyes]

Anyhow, the purported article was chock-full of more urban myths and hearsay, so it can hardly be used to prove or disprove anything.
 
Posted by EtymologicalEvangelical (# 15091) on :
 
Ok.

Ignore the pathetic blog post then.

Others may want to read it. You never know...
 
Posted by lilBuddha (# 14333) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by IngoB:
quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
Can't. Stop. Pedant. Escaping. Save yourselves! There is no such thing as multitasking in the sense it is used. It is processing tasks segmented and sequentially.
If you can walk through the park while chatting to a friend, then you can multitask in the full sense of the word. It takes a rather refined view of "task", focusing on conscious executive control, to claim that the parallel computing of the brain is "single task".
Multitasking as it is generally used does not refer to walking and talking, but doing multiple tasks overlapping. Such as writing multiple reports instead of finishing one then beginning another. Working on a report, preparing for a meeting, checking on the children, scheduling health appointments etc. over the course of day.
Mulitasking
However, whilst we do things like walking and talking simultaneously, the more concentration one takes, the less concentration is available for the other. This is why one is more likely to trip whilst talking than when merely walking. This is why talking on one's mobile makes for poorer driving.
In other words, the brain can parallel process some things, however with finite resources. So efficiency at one is sacrificed by reduced efficiency at the other.
quote:
Originally posted by IngoB:

quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
But women do that better than men.
Evidence?
Hah. It was more a throw away dig than a real statement.
It would be more properly put that women suck at it less.
 
Posted by Taliesin (# 14017) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by EtymologicalEvangelical:
quote:
Originally posted by Desert Daughter
Actually, something flying does require are very highly developed multitasking skills, something females are supposed to be better at (and I know these are generalisations).
Interestingly, in my job I have not seen any evidence that this is true.

I (a male) can physically care for a patient while talking to him or her, whereas I have noticed that some (though not all) of my female colleagues do one or the other - or engaging in conversation with the patient tends to slow down the physical work. I am not saying there is anything wrong with this, and perhaps it's to do with the women wanting to make sure they have the patient's attention, or they're concerned with eye contact. That may be a very good thing. But it's not multi-tasking.

From my experience I think this multi-tasking claim is an urban myth.

Here's an interesting article about this subject (I don't agree with everything in it, and I certainly don't knock feminism per se, but it's worth a read).
While I broadly agree that most articles these days are no more authoritative than a blog or a bloke at the pub, this particular piece of poisonous crap falls into the, 'hectoring lunatic in the park' category. The point about multitasking is nothing to do with a job being multifaceted, as such, and everything to do with not being able to finish a task before a new one arises. And the issue with 'men only have one job' arose because many women worked at one paid job outside the home, then another, unpaid one inside it. For the people who genuinely divided the labour, like his parents, or my husband's grandparents, fair enough. But my parents, for example, both had jobs earning money (my mother earned less, of course) then she was responsible for all cooking, cleaning, shopping, washing, childcare, communication with relatives, mending of clothes, organizing of festivals like Christmas, gardening, attending parents evening and other social activities... while my dad fixed the car from time to time, cut the grass (lawn 4 foot square) and was seen at church a lot.
 
Posted by IngoB (# 8700) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
Multitasking as it is generally used does not refer to walking and talking, but doing multiple tasks overlapping.
You can understand my comment as pointing out that it is a specific kind of unscientific bias to not count walking and talking as two tasks carried out simultaneously.

quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
In other words, the brain can parallel process some things, however with finite resources. So efficiency at one is sacrificed by reduced efficiency at the other.
I suspect that the truth is rather more interesting than that. For example, if instead of talking you simply are listening to the environment, and hear a "crack" as you trip, then you might use that auditory input to determine a more effective reaction - namely by taking a hop instead of stomping down, since you correctly guessed that the wooden plank beneath your feet has snapped. A parallel channel can aid or distract, depending on whether the information carried can be integrated or must be blocked.

quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
It would be more properly put that women suck at it less.
They looked only at "a certain type of multitasking; the kind we use when faced with juggling many tasks in rapid succession - but not quite simultaneously." And then they mixed that up with stress responses. And then they used complex tasks, which is always an invitation for bias. For example, look at the pictures of male vs. female search patterns, which gets paraded as "just bizarre" in the male case. Actually, in being faced with a task designed to be impossible to complete in time, I like the male search pattern they show better. It's a "greedy" strategy trying to cover much likely drop space quickly, rather than all of it systematically but slowly. Anyway, it is of course possible that women are in fact better at this or even all multitasking. Just take such experiments with a grain of salt...
 
Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :
 
I actually agree witn you, Bingo, ol' bean. I think the labeling of women as innate multitaskers has created "traditionally female" jobs that require you to break your ass covering four different job functions while accepting much lower pay.

( i just re-read "The Help", and am pissed. At one point we decided black people were designed for hard labor, too.)

And I see that " flimsy blog post teference" and raise you one "some FB article I read and can't be bothered to find"... I came across a study once that seemed to indicate that, in general, human beings are bad multitaskers, and forcing them into that role is what creates the necessity for women to gulp Valium and men to pop their clogs at 60 years old, to find a minute's peace. Maybe it's because I identify as a shitty multitasker, but I tend to agree. Anyone- even I --can learn to multitask if their paycheck depends on it.

[ 12. March 2014, 00:59: Message edited by: Kelly Alves ]
 
Posted by lilBuddha (# 14333) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by IngoB:
quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
Multitasking as it is generally used does not refer to walking and talking, but doing multiple tasks overlapping.
You can understand my comment as pointing out that it is a specific kind of unscientific bias to not count walking and talking as two tasks carried out simultaneously.
Yes, I understand this. And I hope that you understand that most people speaking of multitasking are not speaking in a scientific sense at all.
quote:
Originally posted by IngoB:

I suspect that the truth is rather more interesting than that. For example, if instead of talking you simply are listening to the environment, and hear a "crack" as you trip, then you might use that auditory input to determine a more effective reaction - namely by taking a hop instead of stomping down, since you correctly guessed that the wooden plank beneath your feet has snapped. A parallel channel can aid or distract, depending on whether the information carried can be integrated or must be blocked.
Leaving aside your bad example,* I understand that the brain is taking in multiple streams of information and that it is processing some tasks simultaneously. However, there is a limited amount your brain can take in. It is very efficient at discarding things which do not seem important at the moment they happen. Sometimes it keeps the right things and you avoid falling down into the ravine, sometimes it is wrong and you walk into traffic.

Most people are much poorer at processing their environment then they think.

*A hop and a stomp down are the same thing, downward force is needed to create the hop. But I understand what you mean to illustrate.
 
Posted by IngoB (# 8700) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
Leaving aside your bad example,* I understand that the brain is taking in multiple streams of information and that it is processing some tasks simultaneously. However, there is a limited amount your brain can take in. ... *A hop and a stomp down are the same thing, downward force is needed to create the hop. But I understand what you mean to illustrate.
You did not bother comprehending what I was saying about the difference between blocking and integrating information. Fine, I did not really expect you to understand that. However, a hop and a stomp down are different in where you end up at the end of the motion. If all foot support is gone instantly, then you are simply falling and it does not matter at all what your legs are doing. Often this is not the case though, and if something is giving way under you, then I would recommend to attempt a hop rather than to stomp down. Perhaps you can comprehend that, it is not exactly rocket science... or neuroscience, for that matter.
 
Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :
 
EVERYTHING is neuroscience. Hell, this post is neuroscience.
 
Posted by orfeo (# 13878) on :
 
Wind gusts aren't neuroscience.

Or carrots.
 
Posted by lilBuddha (# 14333) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by IngoB:
You did not bother comprehending what I was saying about the difference between blocking and integrating information. Fine, I did not really expect you to understand that.
I do understand the difference between blocking and integration. What I said is that the brain does not always choose appropriately.

ETA; You are ever sooo cute when you are condescending.

[ 13. March 2014, 04:56: Message edited by: lilBuddha ]
 
Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:
Wind gusts aren't neuroscience.

Or carrots.
You feel the wind! That's Neuroscience!

You taste carrots! That's Neuroscience!

You sat there and applied cognitive reasoning to my statement in order t find exceptions to it-- All Neuroscience!
 
Posted by IngoB (# 8700) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
ETA; You are ever sooo cute when you are condescending.
I know. Whereas you stay entirely unremarkable whatever you do.

quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
You feel the wind! That's Neuroscience! You taste carrots! That's Neuroscience! You sat there and applied cognitive reasoning to my statement in order t find exceptions to it-- All Neuroscience!
This is materialist solipsism, a particularly stultifying philosophical position. However, just should at least replace "neuroscience" with "brain function", or something similar. Because the study of something simply is not identical with that something.
 
Posted by lilBuddha (# 14333) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by IngoB:
quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
ETA; You are ever sooo cute when you are condescending.
I know. Whereas you stay entirely unremarkable whatever you do.
This caused a genuine chuckle. Well done and thank you.
 
Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by IngoB:

However, just should at least replace "neuroscience" with "brain function", or something similar. Because the study of something simply is not identical with that something.
Oh, you are just so... Correct. That's what I meant. [Hot and Hormonal]

And while I definitely don't agree with the sentiment ( you should pray to be half as interesting as lilb's accumulated toe clippings!) I also thought that was a great line.

[ 13. March 2014, 18:18: Message edited by: Kelly Alves ]
 
Posted by IngoB (# 8700) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
And while I definitely don't agree with the sentiment ( you should pray to be half as interesting as lilb's accumulated toe clippings!) I also thought that was a great line.
I agree. Somebody accumulating their toenail clippings is really very interesting indeed. Is there some technical term for compulsive keratin hoarding?

...

Wait. I didn't read that carefully enough, did I? lilb is accumulating his toe clippings? Oh, wow. We are talking a heap of rotting human flesh that has been accumulated by regular harvesting from the toes, which are allowed to grow back scar tissues in between clippings?

...

Tell you what, one tenth as interesting as lilb will do just fine for me.
 
Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :
 
HER! you dink!

As for the toe thing-- [Hot and Hormonal] Boy, it seems my calling in life is to unintentionally provide comedy for the masses. Thanks a lot, God. Now allow me to make money off of it.

(Further edit) I kinda like what you did with the toe harvest tableau. It's... poetic.

[ 13. March 2014, 19:43: Message edited by: Kelly Alves ]
 
Posted by orfeo (# 13878) on :
 
Ingo is on fire.

The good kind. The metaphorical state of being on top of his game. Not the kind where we debate whether to help him out by urinating on him.
 
Posted by Firenze (# 619) on :
 
Or hope the flames reach the gunpowder soon.
 
Posted by Porridge (# 15405) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by EtymologicalEvangelical:
Ok.

Ignore the pathetic blog post then.

Others may want to read it. You never know...
OK, it took a while for me to get a Round Tuit, but now that I have, I’d just like to point out one or two items from the blog EE linked to.

I’m no expert, never having been either a mom or a traditional housewife, but it strikes me that the blog’s writer, observing his-her-its mother’s workday while home from school, has missed a few items. Here’s his-her-its list of Mom’s activities:

First, it doesn’t seem to occur to the writer that his/her own presence at home might possibly have altered Mom’s schedule. Depending on age and maturity, most children require at least some supervision, especially if they’re home from school because of illness; perhaps more so if they’ve been suspended from school for bad behavior.

Second, it appears that no one in this family uses textiles of any kind. There’s no mention of sorting, laundering, drying, pegging out, taking down, folding, putting away, mending, or producing (knitting, crocheting, sewing, etc.) any such items. What’s more, in addition to going nude, it seems the family don’t use sheets, towels, or napkins; nor have they any curtains at their windows. Must be entertaining for the neighbors.

Third, I love this “buy something for dinner” item. Apparently, this family has the matching Bottomless Fridge and Cupboard set, where all one has to do is pick up a package of chops for supper, because any other items which might be needed to prepare this meal are already on hand.

Then there’s the “light housework” thing. Seriously: if you have a kid who might vomit or call out at any moment, is that the point at which you’re going to drag out the vacuum and do the stairs? Mop the kitchen floor? Defrost and scrub down the Bottomless Fridge?

Also, I like the lunch which, despite getting eaten, requires zero preparation. Even better, it’s a lunch which produces no cleanup to do afterward. I love me one of those, especially if I can eat it at home and not have to tip a waiter.

Higher up the list, there’s the “pack the kids off to school.” As I say, I haven’t personally been responsible for anything like this, but I’ve been present, tried to help, seen it done. It usually involves about half-an-hour of “Where’s my clarinet? I have band practice today!” and “Oh, I need $14 for the field trip, and it has to be exact change!” and “I’m supposed to bring brownies today for the class party. Do we have any?” and “Where are my cleats? I have soccer practice after school!” and “Have you seen my backpack?” and “Where are my pink barrettes? Cindy and Cathy and I decided we’re all wearing pink barrettes today!”

I can’t speak for others, but personally I’d need more bed-time after a half-hour of that.

Oh, and let’s hope these kids either get picked up by a bus or a car pool or live close enough to school to walk, because there’s no hint that Mom’s involved in getting them there.

I confess to being a bit puzzled by the total lack of interaction between this apparently bone-idle Mom and her kid who’s normally in school but is now home. Instead of taking its temp or rubbing Vicks on its little chest or playing checkers with it or fixing its pillow (though maybe that’s gone the way of the other textiles) or reading it a story, she watches TV. What are the odds? Dear Shiply mothers: is that what you do when one of yours is home sick? Completely ignore the little bugger?

I could go on, but, well.

Sorry. As you were. But this blog has appeared on the right thread; it should be in here with the knuckle-draggers.

[ 13. March 2014, 22:02: Message edited by: Porridge ]
 
Posted by lilBuddha (# 14333) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by IngoB:

Tell you what, one tenth as interesting as lilb will do just fine for me.
1/10? Can I help? I have a shears on the workbench. They are not too rusty. And they are very strong, designed for hedges, but they managed to cut tin! Only dulled them a little. But the ratcheting mechanism will make up for that. They close 2 or 3 mm each squeeze of the handles. If we start near a joint, it should not take incredibly long. Provided the gears do not bind, which happens only 1/3 of the time.

So, which toe?
 
Posted by Lamb Chopped (# 5528) on :
 
I wanna know who's supervising homework in that family. Or taking the brat to the doctor's. As for watching TV, I've never met a mother yet who could pry the controls out of her sick darling's hands. Or even tries, as that increases the whining tenfold. Which prevents one from paying the bills, doing the taxes, and assorted other fun activities-- while eating bonbons, of course.
 
Posted by lilBuddha (# 14333) on :
 
So, I finally read the blog of which you speak.
It is either written by an idiot or a troll.
This is the header.
quote:
The feminist movement can be regarded as a crypto-fascist cult in which women are encouraged to gather in secret for the purpose of hating men.
Idiot or troll. Deserves condemnation, yes. Belongs on this thread, most certainly. Clicked a couple other posts on the blog. Idiot or troll. As is anyone who follows it.
 
Posted by IngoB (# 8700) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:
Not the kind where we debate whether to help him out by urinating on him.
I had always pegged you (*) as a rather "conservative" sexual pervert, so to speak. Turns out you are fantasising about golden showers... who would have thought.

(*) No, not with a strap-on. [Roll Eyes]

quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
So, I finally read the blog of which you speak. ... Clicked a couple other posts on the blog. Idiot or troll. As is anyone who follows it.
The problem with self-flagellation is that it feels a bit awkward to cheer it on. I generally find that some silent appreciation increases the fervour most.
 
Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :
 
...

I'm beginning to worry, man.
 
Posted by IngoB (# 8700) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
I'm beginning to worry, man.
I've given up being nice for Lent. [Biased]
 
Posted by orfeo (# 13878) on :
 
Yeah, because nothing turns on a pervert like giving practical help. You should see the lather I get into at taking off my trenchcoat and offering it to someone who's cold.
 
Posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider (# 76) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Porridge:
quote:
Originally posted by EtymologicalEvangelical:
Ok.

Ignore the pathetic blog post then.

Others may want to read it. You never know...
OK, it took a while for me to get a Round Tuit, but now that I have, I’d just like to point out one or two items from the blog EE linked to.

I’m no expert, never having been either a mom or a traditional housewife, but it strikes me that the blog’s writer, observing his-her-its mother’s workday while home from school, has missed a few items. Here’s his-her-its list of Mom’s activities:


First, it doesn’t seem to occur to the writer that his/her own presence at home might possibly have altered Mom’s schedule. Depending on age and maturity, most children require at least some supervision, especially if they’re home from school because of illness; perhaps more so if they’ve been suspended from school for bad behavior.

Second, it appears that no one in this family uses textiles of any kind. There’s no mention of sorting, laundering, drying, pegging out, taking down, folding, putting away, mending, or producing (knitting, crocheting, sewing, etc.) any such items. What’s more, in addition to going nude, it seems the family don’t use sheets, towels, or napkins; nor have they any curtains at their windows. Must be entertaining for the neighbors.

Third, I love this “buy something for dinner” item. Apparently, this family has the matching Bottomless Fridge and Cupboard set, where all one has to do is pick up a package of chops for supper, because any other items which might be needed to prepare this meal are already on hand.

Then there’s the “light housework” thing. Seriously: if you have a kid who might vomit or call out at any moment, is that the point at which you’re going to drag out the vacuum and do the stairs? Mop the kitchen floor? Defrost and scrub down the Bottomless Fridge?

Also, I like the lunch which, despite getting eaten, requires zero preparation. Even better, it’s a lunch which produces no cleanup to do afterward. I love me one of those, especially if I can eat it at home and not have to tip a waiter.

Higher up the list, there’s the “pack the kids off to school.” As I say, I haven’t personally been responsible for anything like this, but I’ve been present, tried to help, seen it done. It usually involves about half-an-hour of “Where’s my clarinet? I have band practice today!” and “Oh, I need $14 for the field trip, and it has to be exact change!” and “I’m supposed to bring brownies today for the class party. Do we have any?” and “Where are my cleats? I have soccer practice after school!” and “Have you seen my backpack?” and “Where are my pink barrettes? Cindy and Cathy and I decided we’re all wearing pink barrettes today!”

I can’t speak for others, but personally I’d need more bed-time after a half-hour of that.

Oh, and let’s hope these kids either get picked up by a bus or a car pool or live close enough to school to walk, because there’s no hint that Mom’s involved in getting them there.

I confess to being a bit puzzled by the total lack of interaction between this apparently bone-idle Mom and her kid who’s normally in school but is now home. Instead of taking its temp or rubbing Vicks on its little chest or playing checkers with it or fixing its pillow (though maybe that’s gone the way of the other textiles) or reading it a story, she watches TV. What are the odds? Dear Shiply mothers: is that what you do when one of yours is home sick? Completely ignore the little bugger?

I could go on, but, well.

Sorry. As you were. But this blog has appeared on the right thread; it should be in here with the knuckle-draggers.
[Killing me] [Killing me] [Killing me]

MUST show this to Mrs Backslider; she could do with a good laugh. Make her grateful she hasn't found the job she wants yet. Or not.
 
Posted by IngoB (# 8700) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:
You should see the lather I get into at taking off my trenchcoat and offering it to someone who's cold.
Ahh, the good old St Martin of Tours defence against charges of exhibitionism...
 
Posted by mousethief (# 953) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by IngoB:
quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:
You should see the lather I get into at taking off my trenchcoat and offering it to someone who's cold.
Ahh, the good old St Martin of Tours defence against charges of exhibitionism...
Hey, St. Martin only gave away half his trenchcoat, and the nuns at the Catholic school told me plainly in answer to my question that he kept the middle half.
 
Posted by anoesis (# 14189) on :
 
The thread title seems ready-made for this guy.

Summary: Feminists "whinging imbeciles" who make "cretinous demands" and "need a good slap round the face".

Firstly, you seem to be quite the expert at whingeing yourself, matey.

Secondly, it's whingeing, not 'whinging', and kowtow, not 'cow-tow'. Cretin.

Thirdly, what kind of a person holds a politics-related job and posts this kind of thing on facebook for all to see? Oh - wait - an imbecile.

Have a slap - from me. Not because you're a guy, or because you're anti-feminist, anti-ginger, racist , entitled and self-satisfied, mind you. Just - it seems like it would complete the circle, somehow...
 
Posted by orfeo (# 13878) on :
 
My goodness. What a wanker.
 
Posted by Golden Key (# 1468) on :
 
Re the guy who anoesis mentioned:

On the grounds of "ladies first", I'm sure we could gather a delegation of women to slap him before he slaps us. Purely for educational purposes, of course.

[Two face]
 
Posted by Penny S (# 14768) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Golden Key:
Re the guy who anoesis mentioned:

On the grounds of "ladies first", I'm sure we could gather a delegation of women to slap him before he slaps us. Purely for educational purposes, of course.

[Two face]
For some reason I find an image of a lockside on the Thames and a large wet fish coming to mind - with the queue of women passing the fish between them like a rounders bat.
 
Posted by Golden Key (# 1468) on :
 
Oooo, the fish-slapping dance! [Smile]
 
Posted by deano (# 12063) on :
 
quote:
In another post last year, Green described an incident in which he offered a seat to a woman on a bus but was refused.

Referring to the woman as a "fat ginger b****," he added: "I am absolutely sick and tired of this feminism nonsense. It really has gone too far.

"Quite a few of these women need a good slap round the face."
See, there is his problem... he was on a BUS! [Disappointed]
 


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