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Eutychus
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The Bethel mob are at it again.
Head of Creative Arts at Bethel's Creative Supernatural School of Ministry Theresa Dedmon has produced a painting.
It's quite nice, and some of the other creative stuff looks not entirely horrible. I'm even keen to see more Christian art in general.
But... she affirms the following about that piece: quote:
This painting releases God's redemption of France. Remembering the incredible legacy of creativity. Once you see it you will see the seeds of renaissance begin again.
Since when did protestants of any stripe believe a few daubs of paint "release redemption"? And of an entire nation? Do any Catholics or Orthodox affirm anything like that?? And just how arrogant is it to assert that about your own piece of art? How can people believe this crap? To the Law and to the testimony!
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Lyda*Rose
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Poppies? They would look fine in my kitchen, but jeez, "God's redemption of France"? ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
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It's not just paintings you know (and do make time to read the comments below the article - yuck!)
Didn't you know that prophetic drumming (other websites are available!) also has the power to "release captives" and break down "strongholds"?
Allegedly ...
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I think that painting will indeed achieve its purpose - it will reinforce Theresa's conviction that she is a world-class mover and shaker in the kingdom of God. This is just yet another manifestation of the hyper-charismatic obsession with self. Life is all about them...and how God uses them. That's why there are so many fake interactions with the Holy Spirit, so many made-up manifestations - so many 'spiritual gifts' which are unverifiable. Changing the world through art is just another way that people can maintain the illusion that God is using them....without ever becoming people he could actually use.
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I make some religious art, and I hope the Spirit is using my skills for her good purposes. But really, I trust the Godhead to have the Redemption stuff under control without any overweening help from myself.
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Eutychus
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Indeed. That's where it's tipping into witchcraft as far as I'm concerned.
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Baptist Trainfan
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Originally posted by Zappa:
I assumed it was about the economic renaissance of rural Afghanistan
Or of North Norfolk.
PS I think Eutychus's post refers back to LydaRose's and not Zappa's!
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Eutychus
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Just to clarify: I have nothing against Afghanistan (although one does wonder just what poppies evoke for most people these days). My reply was directed at Lyda Rose's comment.
[ETA as BT has pointed out. Off to church now, will have to try hard not to mention this when preaching...]
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I love the way the first link unashamedly states that she majors in psychology and minors in Biblical Studies ![[Two face]](graemlins/scot_twoface.gif)
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I'm planning an interpretative dance for Slovenia, but it's annoying how much that gets in the way of my Piano Concerto for Ecuador.
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(a pedant writes:)
Opium poppies are mauvey-purple. Unlike those ones in the picture which are the same colour as bollocks.
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Actually, I think there is a logical reason why the more conservative evangelical world has to apply these spiritual meanings to their art.
It comes from the (misunderstood) puritan idea that art is bad (not least because some artists might live alternative lifestyles).
As they started to be forced to accept the artistic, they needed to find "spiritual" reasons for it - so they made it a spiritual power exercise. Suddenly is was like other acceptable stuff, so they could accept it.
This is, of course, crap. Artists should be able to create because they are expressing the creative in them. End of. Hopefully, if they know about their faith, they know God, then this faith will be expressed in their art. It may serve to inspire others, to help them to engage with God.
Of course, it may also cause them to be vomit. Reaction is important.
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Originally posted by orfeo:
I'm planning an interpretative dance for Slovenia, but it's annoying how much that gets in the way of my Piano Concerto for Ecuador.
Me, I'm knitting for Uzbekistan.
I've heard some fluff-brained tarradiddle in my time, but the idea that mucking up a bit of paper or canvas affects the religious outlook of a nation is off the wacko-meter.
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Schroedinger's Cat
That's an interesting point, as modern art became pretty non-religious, although it may be very spiritual. So, possibly some Christians feel uneasy with modern art, and can't connect it with their faith. Everybody quotes Rothko here, for example, the Rothko room at the Tate, quite a reflective space.
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Originally posted by Schroedinger's cat:
Actually, I think there is a logical reason why the more conservative evangelical world has to apply these spiritual meanings to their art.
It comes from the (misunderstood) puritan idea that art is bad (not least because some artists might live alternative lifestyles).
As they started to be forced to accept the artistic, they needed to find "spiritual" reasons for it - so they made it a spiritual power exercise. Suddenly is was like other acceptable stuff, so they could accept it.
The spiritual reasoning is precisely what the Puritans did not like about art. This would simply be classed by them as idolatry. The reason for avoiding art is precisely because people get these dangerous ideas.
Art is dangerous/potent, not bad, in Puritan thought because it can lead to such superstitious ideas.
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Honest Ron Bacardi
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Originally posted by quetzalcoatl:
Schroedinger's Cat
That's an interesting point, as modern art became pretty non-religious, although it may be very spiritual. So, possibly some Christians feel uneasy with modern art, and can't connect it with their faith. Everybody quotes Rothko here, for example, the Rothko room at the Tate, quite a reflective space.
Is modern art more non-religious than - say - Victorian art? I don't know, but it seems to me that by then the concept or "religious art" had become a thing in itself, a separate genre. I guess unless something is now "religious art" (whatever that now means), it's just art, whether the artist was inspired by any religious concerns or not.
Does the concept of religious art exist at all in eastern European countries? Icon painters don't call themselves artists do they? Maybe "art" has its original meaning there, as in "the best thing I can produce".
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Gamaliel
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I once asked an Orthodox online friend (rather than a real-life one) how the Bethel practice of going to the graves of revivalist luminaries such as Evan Roberts to somehow 'absorb the anointing' and such like hoo-ey differed from the Orthodox and RC practice of venerating relics and sites associated with Saints.
He suggested that it was an issue of attitude and response that was the biggest difference - rather than intention. So, for instance, he sent me a link to You Tube footage of something-or-other (I forget what it was, whether an icon or a relic) arriving in Constantinople and being taken to the Phanar. The Orthodox faithful lined the streets and venerated the object in a dignified way.
They weren't flinging themselves onto it and acting in an 'enthusiastic' way.
Of course, from a Puritan perspective their actions would be just as dangerous as those of the Bethel-ites ... but then the Puritans could be kill-joys couldn't they? ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
And yes, yes ... I know that they didn't have hang-ups about sex and Cromwell allowed dancing at his daughter's wedding yadda yadda ...
But I'm still more comfortable with George Herbert's approach in allowing old customs such as Rogationtide processions and so on rather than the Puritan one of tearing these things in a root-and-branch type way.
There are some examples of Puritan art around, of course - in Manchester Art Gallery and plenty of examples in the Metropolitan Museum in New York - some of it has a genuinely moving, home-spun quality about it. It ain't all bad art.
As for this Bethel instance ... it's bad art and it's even worse theology.
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quetzalcoatl
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Originally posted by Honest Ron Bacardi:
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Originally posted by quetzalcoatl:
Schroedinger's Cat
That's an interesting point, as modern art became pretty non-religious, although it may be very spiritual. So, possibly some Christians feel uneasy with modern art, and can't connect it with their faith. Everybody quotes Rothko here, for example, the Rothko room at the Tate, quite a reflective space.
Is modern art more non-religious than - say - Victorian art? I don't know, but it seems to me that by then the concept or "religious art" had become a thing in itself, a separate genre. I guess unless something is now "religious art" (whatever that now means), it's just art, whether the artist was inspired by any religious concerns or not.
Does the concept of religious art exist at all in eastern European countries? Icon painters don't call themselves artists do they? Maybe "art" has its original meaning there, as in "the best thing I can produce".
I suppose traditionally you would say that painting became more secularized in the 18th century. I remember John Berger saying that the bourgeoisie didn't want paintings of God or Christ, but themselves, their wives, kids and dogs! A good example is 'Mr and Mrs Andrews' (Gainsborough), and here you also get a nice shot of their property.
But religious paintings continue to be painted - for example, the Dutch masters, such as Vermeer and de Hoogh, who are famous for their interiors and courtyards, also still did religious subjects.
Also, obviously, the pre-Raphaelites did.
I just meant that 20th century painting became very secular, with obvious exceptions, e.g. Stanley Spencer. I suppose you could argue that it became secular but also numinous? Thus someone like Picasso is very secular, but arguably monumental, numinous and pantheistic.
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Despite being someone who has thoroughly drunk the spiritual gifts kool-aid, my reaction to this painting is pretty similar to y'all upthread.
However, if only she'd said something like 'I painted this as a prayer for redemption of France and a release of spiritual renaissance', I think I'd have smiled, shrugged and moved on. That approach of praying for whole nations is a bit too grandiose for my taste but hey, each to their own.
But 'This painting releases God's redemption of France' is just so outrageously... presumptuous. It sits very uncomfortably with me.
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quetzalcoatl
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In my previous post, it should say that painting became more secularized in the 17th and 18th centuries.
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South Coast Kevin: quote:
'I painted this as a prayer for redemption of France and a release of spiritual renaissance'
I could get behind this, definitely. Prayer for positive goals is a Good Thing. Hubris, not so much.
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Originally posted by Lyda*Rose:
South Coast Kevin: quote:
'I painted this as a prayer for redemption of France and a release of spiritual renaissance'
I could get behind this, definitely. Prayer for positive goals is a Good Thing. Hubris, not so much.
Absolutely - art as a focus for prayer and spiritual engagement I am all for. Not worship of art, but worship inspired by art.
In response to comments above - I think the problem is with non-religious art, art that challenges and inspires us as people, and the incipient danger in that. The stuff I prefer, in general.
I suspect that many of those who struggle with "art" have much less problem with the sappy, puke-inducing drivel of Thomas Kincade and the like. Personally, I prefer art that impacts my heart, not my stomach.
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Man. I looked at those so-called prophetic pictures and I am having a really, really hard time holding in the snark.
And prophetic drumming. What scares me is that I can just see these people ten years down the line, when real life has hit them hard, right in the face, and I'm afraid their faith is going to completely vanish. It looks like a delusion to me. They need a strong dose of reality if they're going to develop a Christian faith that will last long term. (wish I could take them round the metro area for a week or two, shadowing a pastor)
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Prophetic balloon modelling anybody?
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Gamaliel
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Sure, I agree with that too, South Coast Kevin. I'll get criticised for using this phrase, but it's a paradigmatic case of over-egging the pudding.
As with all these things, the claim could contain a smidgeon of something wholesome - that art is potent and can have something of broadly 'redemptive' effect (not in soteriology terms of course but in terms of transformation of some kind - even if it is only to make us feel better about the world ...).
In this instance, neither the art itself nor the rhetoric lives up to the claims being made.
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Originally posted by quetzalcoatl:
Schroedinger's Cat
That's an interesting point, as modern art became pretty non-religious, although it may be very spiritual. So, possibly some Christians feel uneasy with modern art, and can't connect it with their faith. Everybody quotes Rothko here, for example, the Rothko room at the Tate, quite a reflective space.
The Rothko Chapel in Houston is a deeply spiritual place but there is nothing exclusively Christian about it.
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Eutychus
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Originally posted by Twangist:
Prophetic balloon modelling anybody?
You tell me. Is Bethel and prophetic balloon-modelling strictly spiritually incorrect in Newfrontiers these days? Inquiring minds want to know...
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Originally posted by Eutychus:
The Bethel mob are at it again.
Head of Creative Arts at Bethel's Creative Supernatural School of Ministry Theresa Dedmon has produced a painting.
It's quite nice, and some of the other creative stuff looks not entirely horrible. I'm even keen to see more Christian art in general.
But... she affirms the following about that piece: quote:
This painting releases God's redemption of France. Remembering the incredible legacy of creativity. Once you see it you will see the seeds of renaissance begin again.
Since when did protestants of any stripe believe a few daubs of paint "release redemption"? And of an entire nation? Do any Catholics or Orthodox affirm anything like that?? And just how arrogant is it to assert that about your own piece of art? How can people believe this crap? To the Law and to the testimony!
I'm an artist, and I'm struggling to find words to express my seething fury at this "releasing redemption" crap.
Perhaps an absinthe or two might help.
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Gamaliel
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Now that Eutychus mentions it, just how influential is Bethel these days?
I've not heard anything about them for a while and that only on these boards.
Are they still a big influence on the wider charismatic evangelical scene?
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Originally posted by orfeo:
I'm planning an interpretative dance for Slovenia, ...
Just don't do as a priest of another diocese did at their 150th anniversary and do the dance clad in lycra. He was rather overweight and the sight was...odd. And though you, as I recall, are not overweight, and a reasonably fine figure of a man (so my wife says)...no lycra.
But dance on...Slovenia can use all the help it can get.
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Prophetic art, prophetic dance, prophetic drumming - I think what they are calling "prophetic music" is what anyone else calls "improvised" music played in a religious context (but I might be wrong) --
Looking back on my somewhat mis-spent youth, I do remember the desire to *do something big* and *make a difference* and *change the world*, you know, back before career and mortgage and diapers and retirement savings (and the church needing repairs again).
That's how I see claims to "release the prophetic on France" or claims to "take San Francisco for Jesus" - exuberant youthful desire to affect huge parts of the world for good.
Learning to see and value the effectiveness for good in bringing a meal to a shut-in or teaching a child how to ride a bicycle, takes time to grow some maturity. Nothing wrong with being youthful with world-sized dreams. It's a valid phase, probably healthier to go through a phase of world sized dreams than never learn how to dream at all but just slog dully through life.
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The poppies would go nicely on a greeting card for a funeral. A good choice for a deceased 90 year who served in France in WW2. Otherwise the art itself is cliché. We all did pictures like this in grade 5 near Remembrance Day.
The real problem with the response and the context of the art is the sense of elation the artist derives. Where her feelings are more important than the qualities of the painting. It is pure sap and sentiment. I am reminded of Kurt Vonnegut's picture of an asshole, which is actually art, even though Vonnegut probably was expressing emotion when he drew it.
While I'm at it, too full of tea and too full up with the same stories about pigeons told to me for the 4th time, here's a Vonnegut quote to prove I am actually semi-mature:
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"Kilgore Trout once wrote a short story which was a dialogue between two pieces of yeast. They were discussing the possible purposes of life as they ate sugar and suffocated in their own excrement. Because of their limited intelligence, they never came close to guessing that they were making champagne."
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All this painting proves is that when you think things can't get any worse, someone will come along and show you that there are still greater depths of banality and stupidity to which Christians can go.
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Originally posted by Kyzyl:
The Rothko Chapel in Houston is a deeply spiritual place but there is nothing exclusively Christian about it.
Not a big Rothko fan, but this I like.
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Originally posted by Gamaliel:
Now that Eutychus mentions it, just how influential is Bethel these days?
I've not heard anything about them for a while and that only on these boards.
Are they still a big influence on the wider charismatic evangelical scene?
Pending an answer from Twangist, New Life Church Tunbridge Wells which is a newfrontiers church, is running a Bethel Sozo course. When people aren't releasing redemption through painting, chances are the most widespread emanation of Bethel in the UK is via these Sozo courses. Not to be confused with Sozo Ministries International ![[Ultra confused]](graemlins/confused2.gif)
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Originally posted by Twangist:
Prophetic balloon modelling anybody?
I think I will propose a course of prophetic wanking.
TBH, a lot of this is not that different. Self pleasuring artists.
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Originally posted by Schroedinger's cat:
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Originally posted by Twangist:
Prophetic balloon modelling anybody?
I think I will propose a course of prophetic wanking.
TBH, a lot of this is not that different. Self pleasuring artists.
Isn't most art primarily just that?
And is that bad in itself?
You have to be motivated by something. And if others than the (would be) artist her/himself are enjoying it, being inspired by it, being pleasured by it, it's sort of useful, isn't it?
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I think the difference, Schroedinger's Cat is that most artists, musicians, poets, novelists, playwrights, sculptors, and origami practitioners don't consider their work to have the kind of cosmic significance that is being claimed in this instance.
It's the over-spiritualisation of things again.
I can't remember which thread it was on now but someone provided a helpful link to an account of one of the 19th/early 20th century (?) Anglo-Catholic slum priests who'd installed proper plumbing and sewage systems in the schools he worked with ...
He said something like, 'I'm interested in sewerage because of the Incarnation.'
If this Bethelite really wants to do something positive and of benefit to France then she'd do better getting involved with something that really does make a difference instead of producing sub-standard paintings and making extravagant claims for their spiritual significance.
I don't have any issue with religious art or iconography and so on - but I have plenty of issues with the kind of over-the-top claims made by people like her. They need to come down to earth and stop taking themselves so seriously.
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Originally posted by no prophet:
I am reminded of Kurt Vonnegut's picture of an asshole, which is actually art, even though Vonnegut probably was expressing emotion when he drew it.
This turned out to be a lot safer for work than I imagined. I don't know whether to be relieved or disappointed.
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Originally posted by orfeo:
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Originally posted by no prophet:
I am reminded of Kurt Vonnegut's picture of an asshole, which is actually art, even though Vonnegut probably was expressing emotion when he drew it.
This turned out to be a lot safer for work than I imagined. I don't know whether to be relieved or disappointed.
orfeo
Hellhost (aka Clicker of Links, by Royal Appointment)
It was better than the damn poppies, by a couple of orders of magnitude...
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QLib
Bad Example
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I just hope she doesn't turn to poetry: "the seeds of renaissance begin again."
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Adeodatus
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(Also, am I the only one who thinks that the Creative Supernatural School of Ministry sounds like a department of Unseen University?)
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Eutychus
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That was a typo. She is merely in charge of all things Creative at Hogwarts. I mean the Supernatural School of Ministry (they have at least one in the UK too, you know).
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Pyx_e
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There can be only ONE!
Pyx_e (adding mad shit to a mad thread)
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Eutychus
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
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Originally posted by Kyzyl:
The Rothko Chapel in Houston is a deeply spiritual place but there is nothing exclusively Christian about it.
Not a big Rothko fan, but this I like.
Ooer. First impressions reminded me irresistibly of this ultra-creepy album cover from Led Zep.
[ 23. June 2014, 11:01: Message edited by: Eutychus ]
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Jane R
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Adeodatus: quote:
Also, am I the only one who thinks that the Creative Supernatural School of Ministry sounds like a department of Unseen University?
Sounds like a department of the University of Bums on Seats to me.
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Twilight
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My son just had a birthday so we had all his new music, movies, and art spread out on the table and noticed how the literature for all of it was interchangeable and a bit more impressive if mixed-up; the music was full of bright colors and the art had intense rhythms, etc.
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