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Sarasa
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My husband and son are coffee geeks, so I'm sitting here drinking a cup of cappucino made from home roast El Savadorian beans, and very nice it is too.
Between them they have over £3,000 of coffee equipment. I try to be very polite about what I call coffee creep - the fact that there is no room in the dresser cupboard for anything other than bags of green beans, as the finished cup is so nice, even though I'm more of a tea person.
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balaam
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Mezcla.
One of the best reasons for visiting Spain.
A blend of roast beans and 30 to 40% Torrefacto. Coffee without the bitterness, what's not to like?
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LeRoc
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balaam: Coffee without the bitterness, what's not to like?
The lack of bitterness.
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Sir Kevin
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If the coffee's any good, I buy it at the grocery store: I grind it on site rather than using our single-cup Krupps grinder
We each it drink about 2 cups a day....
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Doublethink.
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You'all have now made me want to buy a coffee grinder. I am now thinking, if I have adjustable ceramic burr - does it matter if it is a handmill or a machine ? (I ask because the price difference is masses.)
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Brenda Clough
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No, a Krups grinder is not the same. Be sure and get a burr grinder. I would think that it makes no difference whether it has a motor or not, but google around -- there are coffee websites that rate and rank all these things to a crazy level of detail. Grinding it fresh just before brewing has a considerable effect as well -- many of the oils are volatile.
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Ariel
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Originally posted by balaam:
Coffee without the bitterness, what's not to like?
A good cup of coffee needs to be dark, rough, rich, earthy, aromatic, intensely flavoured and with the requisite touch of bitterness. All the notes should be there in the right proportions. You shouldn't be able to stand a spoon up in it, but the spoon ought to sweat and wilt a little bit.
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LeRoc
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Ariel: A good cup of coffee needs to be dark, rough, rich, earthy, aromatic, intensely flavoured and with the requisite touch of bitterness. All the notes should be there in the right proportions. You shouldn't be able to stand a spoon up in it, but the spoon ought to sweat and wilt a little bit.
I agree with you but ... why would you want to stick a spoon in coffee?
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Ariel
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It comes from the saying "If you can't stand a spoon up in it, it ain't tea", i.e. the drink should be so strong that it should be almost solid. Said in jest because nobody really wants it like that, but you get the idea.
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lilBuddha
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Originally posted by Doublethink:
You'all have now made me want to buy a coffee grinder. I am now thinking, if I have adjustable ceramic burr - does it matter if it is a handmill or a machine ? (I ask because the price difference is masses.)
The important thing is to make sure your grinder can do the coarseness that suits your brewing method and desired result. Start there before comparing grinders.
A good hand grinder, one that can grind Chemex pour over pebbles to talcum powder Turkish coffee, can be cheap. But requires a bit of elbow grease. Not every hand grinder can do this, be careful choosing.
A good burr grinder, very convenient, very easy; not so cheap.
If you are not picky about your beans, roast or method and simply want to soothe your withdrawal shakes, get a cheap blade grinder.
Other considerations
- Cleaning - Oils accumulate and turn rancid. You bought the grinder because you care about the taste, clean it!
- Replaceable components - Nothing lasts forever* cheaper to replace the burrs than the whole darn machine.
- Ceramic or Steel? - Ceramic lasts longer, Steel grinds finer when new.
*Sadly, not even the earth and sky.
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Doublethink.
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Bearing that mind porlex hand grinders seem to be the way to go.
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Doublethink.
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Have any of you heard anything about cold brewed coffee or cold brewed tea ?
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Brenda Clough
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They sell it bottles at Trader Joe.
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Never heard of them.
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Ariston
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Originally posted by Doublethink:
Have any of you heard anything about cold brewed coffee or cold brewed tea ?
And I'm slightly addicted to it; my local roastery sells it in growlers to go, as do a few other places around here. It works best if you use a slightly more acidic, brighter bean—the stuff I drink is a Columbian, but other Central Americans work quite well—since the process enhances that, but doesn't bring out the earthy/dark flavors you might find in an Ethiopian or Sumatran.
It tends to be a bit stronger in my experience; a 36-hour brewed bottle will be about time-and-a-half as strong as usual pour over or filter, and 32 ounces is about a cup too much for me to finish in a morning.
That's saying something.
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lilBuddha
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Originally posted by TheAlethiophile:
Some of the best coffee on the market at the moment is Ethopian Sidamo (aka Sidama)
And the Yirgacheffes. Also the Mandheling, Ankola, and Lintong from Sumatra.
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Ariston
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For real fun, try a shot of espresso poured into (Mexican/British) Coke. No, really. This is what happens when you drink coffee with baristas. It will taste nothing at all like anything you would have expected—very herbal and leafy, not like either coffee or Coke.
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lilBuddha
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Originally posted by Doublethink:
Bearing that mind porlex hand grinders seem to be the way to go.
The Hario Mini Mill is nice.
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Enoch
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Originally posted by Doublethink:
Have any of you heard anything about cold brewed coffee or cold brewed tea ?
No. What is it? Do you heat it up or drink it cold?
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Doublethink.
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It seems you steep in cold water for about 12 hours, then filter and dilute hot or cold to taste. I found another blog that recommended, instead, filtering coffee using hot water but into a cup half full of ice. So I am trying that this morning with my bacon sandwiches, using this
this kind o thing.
Cold brew is supposed to make the coffee less acidic.
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Doublethink.
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I find myself unconvinced by filtering over ice.
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balaam
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Originally posted by Doublethink:
I found another blog that recommended, instead, filtering coffee using hot water but into a cup half full of ice.
Standard practice in Spain, ask for Cafe con hielo. Recommended.
The Spanish also drink Cafe bonbon. Which is coffee sweetened with condensed milk. Not recommended.
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Ariston
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Originally posted by Doublethink:
It seems you steep in cold water for about 12 hours, then filter and dilute hot or cold to taste.
Cold brew is supposed to make the coffee less acidic.
1. Try 36 hours, and don't cut it, at least for the first cup. It's not quite as concentrated as some might have you believe, though it can make a good iced coffee if that's really your thing.
2. The acid thing is…complicated. I find that it enhances the acidity more than it lessens it—that is, I notice the bright, twangy flavors more, the darker, "bass notes" less—but cuts its harshness. If you find Central American coffees too acidic, try a 24-to-36 hour steeping; the flavors will be more pronounced, but without the sharpness you'd expect.
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L'organist
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I thought this referred to The Ink Spots singing about the 'Java jive' ![[Biased]](wink.gif)
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lilBuddha
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Doublethink,
Regarding bean choice for cold-brewed coffee, go with a more full-bodied variety. Sumatran, Brazillian or Sidamo as examples. Cold-brew loses across the flavour profile, both high and low. Stay away from the South American beans (excepting Brazil), they start thinner and will end even more so.
The addition of nutmeg, ginger, coconut or cinnamon makes for a wonderful hot-weather drink.
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Doublethink.
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Well, I blame you all for my dropping all my wordly wealth in Whittards, the adjustable burr grinder, the stovetop expresso maker - its all your fault.
And there will be a breakfast drawer in my bedroom - right after I get this.
[ 05. October 2014, 15:48: Message edited by: Doublethink ]
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Jengie jon
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Hmm this seems a bit over the top!
Jengie
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Heavenly Anarchist
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Originally posted by Jengie Jon:
Hmm this seems a bit over the top!
Jengie
Just sent that to my husband, he designs Smart meters and similar sensory technologies but I really think he needs to move into this area
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Brenda Clough
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My husband worked for a computer firm once which had the coffee machines hooked up to the building water systems. In other words, coffee was on tap.
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Leorning Cniht
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Originally posted by Jengie Jon:
Hmm this seems a bit over the top!
Do I have to reference HTCPCP? Yes, I think I do.
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Heavenly Anarchist
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Ah, a Cantabrigian protocol, he should be familiar with that then.
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Doublethink.
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
quote:
Originally posted by Doublethink:
Bearing that mind porlex hand grinders seem to be the way to go.
The Hario Mini Mill is nice.
Indeed, it has been very good, and I would strongly recommend. It does allow you to adjust the fineness of the grind too ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
I find the grinding therapeutic, if you wanted to do it for more than one or two people though - i think you might want to go electric.
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luvanddaisies
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So now I'm pretty convinced about the grinder too. Damn you all. I'm almost decided to buy myself an aeropress too.
Clever coffee people; does this sound like a good deal, or a waste of money?
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Doublethink.
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Reviews of the aeropress appear mixed, i think this is beautiful. But I decided I couldn't justify the expense.
I did pick up a little one of
these though. Very nice and quick.
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I have heard of cold-brewed coffee because I read Serious Eats (even though I really mis SE Talk, sigh), but it's not available in the UK afaik.
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Brenda Clough
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You can cold-brew it yourself; it is not difficult.
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Lots of cream and sugar. If there's no cream then I'd rather drink it black. In fact, I used to drink coffee black until I went in the army. The coffee wasn't great so I started using cream to make it more drinkable. Sugar us a latter addition which I put down to middle age. Pet hates when it comes to coffee is the use of skimmed milk (utterly pointless) and coffee snobs and people who insist that latte or cappucino is a morning only coffee.
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Originally posted by Lamb Chopped:
We get the Café du Monde coffee/chicory stuff and drink it Vietnamese style, dripped through one of those individual metal cup top thingies, and sweetened with condensed milk. Over ice is best, but hot is okay.
I should get that again. Do not have one of those individual thingies.
Mainly I drink coffee (alas, it's been mainly whatever is cheapest, usually the store brand; sometimes Folger's is on sale. This is not by choice but due to finances) with milk and artificial sweetener. Cubby likes his with half and half instead of milk.
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I bought an Aeropress earlier this year and I really like it. Quick, simple, nice coffee (depending on what we have in the cupboard/fridge and easy to clean.
Haven't quite got to the "grind it myself" stage...yet.
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Doublethink.
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The grinding is quite therapetic, and only takes as long as it does for a kettle to boil.
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So, I've just bought an Aeropress and the grinder lilBuddha mentioned.
Once it drops through my letterbox, I'll be on the hunt for nice coffees. I'm still not sure about whether that internet coffee delivery I mentioned in this post is worth it.
What're your recommendations for coffees to try? I like strong and dark coffees - and I'll be looking for a really good caffeine hit from the one I drink in the morning on the way out. I identified a lot with Comet's "I don't want bright when I need coffee. I need a coffee that commiserates with my dark, grouchyass self" upthread.
I might drink it black or white, depending on whether I've bothered or remembered to buy milk, but I don't have the stuff to make frothy milk or the patience to make warmed up milk or anything, so I won't be making latte or cappuccino.
A friend of a friend gave me a cup of an Ethiopian blend that I can't remember the name of - very dark and earthy and strong. Liked that.
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Luvvandaisies, should they be moderately flush, might want to try a few of the Ethiopians. I am fond of Yergatcheff but there are others and I tried about four when ploughing through a volume of Ethiopian church history, hoping that the caffeine would keep me awake through skimming the chapter on parish council reforms of 1972.
I once worked with an opinionated colleague of Ethiopian provenance who once walked by my little office carrel and entered my workspace crying "I smelled Ethiopian coffee!" When I told her that I was drinking Harrar, she announced that it was: "perfumed and elegant, so excellent, so subtle, so unlike the people of Harrar."
Tasting notes for comparing coffees, while perhaps pretentious (all right, they're pretentious), do help the memory so that, when assailed by the world we can enter a shop and order (e.g.) the yergatcheff, because that's what we need that day.
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Cardews of Oxford do mail order. Their stuff is good (and as you walk past their shop in the Covered Market, the rich aroma of the coffee wafts out at you from a yard away). You could do worse than browse their catalogue and see if anything appeals: it will be fresh, and good quality.
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Doublethink.
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Genuine mocha coffee is good.
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ChastMastr
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I decided to get at least Chock Full Of Nuts coffee the other day. We've been going for the cheapest generic store brand too much for too long.
But I really want Trader Joe's.
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lilBuddha
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Originally posted by Augustine the Aleut:
Tasting notes for comparing coffees, while perhaps pretentious (all right, they're pretentious),
I do not think the practice itself pretentious. It is just that many pretentious people use the practice.
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Ahleal V
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Whilst I realise I'm very late to this party, can I commend the Clever Filter? (May be cheaper elsewhere.) It's a slow drip filter which (aside from the occasional droplet) is a convenient little thing to have next to your desk/cubicle. I used to be a moka pot person, but this has utterly converted me. The coffee is black, not very thick, but full of flavour, which changes depending on how much coffee you use, how quickly your pour over the water, how long you let it infuse. I can - and do - drink it all day.
In comparison, I tried french press coffee for the first time in ages last weekend, and it felt like I was drinking mud.
May I also be so bold as to suggest (if you're UK based) the amazing Pact Coffee - more expensive than the supermarket, but definitely worth it.
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And they have this offer on at the moment!
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