Ship of Fools: Who is the master Master?

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Posted by The Rogue (# 2275) on :

It's time to decide once and for all.

Posted by Pearl B4 Swine (# 11451) on :

Can you explain what the question means? And, I've never heard of even one of the names in your list. No voting for me! [Tear]

Posted by balaam (# 4543) on :

It depends on what you accept as canon.

Posted by balaam (# 4543) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Pearl B4 Swine:
Can you explain what the question means? And, I've never heard of even one of the names in your list. No voting for me!

Here.

Posted by Pigwidgeon (# 10192) on :

I didn't realize this was about Dr. Who (about which I know absolutely nothing). The only name I'd heard of was Derek Jacobi, and I love his acting, so I voted for him.

I probably should have abstained, and I would have if I had known what it was about. Sorry!

Posted by Doublethink. (# 1984) on :

Michelle Gomez, but then I don't fancy the rest so I may be biased.

Posted by Heavenly Anarchist (# 13313) on :

I voted Delgado, the original one against paler copies. John Simm was also good though as he created his own style (Michelle Gomez was a good follow on from him).

[ 12. November 2014, 07:12: Message edited by: Heavenly Anarchist ]

Posted by M. (# 3291) on :

I loathed John Simm's Master, which is a shame as I love him as an actor.

Roger Delgado just had that lovely sinister politeness.

So I voted for him - the original and best.

Although generally lousy as an arch villain.

M.

Posted by Callan (# 525) on :

I voted for Peter Pratt/ Geoffrey Beevers, although, with all due respect to Mr Liz Shaw, I would have voted for Pratt on his own if the option had been there.

Posted by balaam (# 4543) on :

I voted Delgado and Gomez. If I thought that the Big Finish audio productions would have counted I would have gone for Beevers, that is why I commented on what was canan.

Posted by Schroedinger's cat (# 64) on :

I feel that Delgado defined the role, and did it brilliantly. He defines the role in a way that none of the Doctor actors do.

I think John Simm did a good version of a more up to date psychotic doctor - he has always been, I think, slightly disturbed, and Simm is good at playing that. Michelle Gomez continues that line, seems to be doing well, and is an interesting re-invention of the role.

The problem is that some of the others - like Derek Jacobi - have not had much chance to explore the role. I love him as an actor*, and he did the role justice, but never really got to play the character properly.

*Ignoring the utterly dire Vicious.

Posted by Matt Black (# 2210) on :

Delgado for me.

Posted by Robert Armin (# 182) on :

Although Missy was fun, I could imagine Simm saying all of her lines, and making a stronger effect. Did anyone else feel that way?

Posted by LeRoc (# 3216) on :

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Robert Armin: Although Missy was fun, I could imagine Simm saying all of her lines, and making a stronger effect. Did anyone else feel that way?

Yes, I had the same feeling sometimes. I don't know if that's a good or a bad thing.

Posted by doubtingthomas (# 14498) on :

Jacobi - closely followed by Delgado in my estimation, then Gomez.

Jacobi's reveal was well written and superbly acted.
I suspect one thing working in his favour is that he wasn't around long enough for anyone to spoil his character with a bad script...

Posted by doubtingthomas (# 14498) on :

quote:
Originally posted by LeRoc:

quote:
Robert Armin: Although Missy was fun, I could imagine Simm saying all of her lines, and making a stronger effect. Did anyone else feel that way?
Yes, I had the same feeling sometimes. I don't know if that's a good or a bad thing.

Strangely, I feel the opposite. Somehow her style works well for me, while I didn't like the similar interpretation played by John Simm.

(apologies for double post - changed my mind about replying)

Posted by Hedgehog (# 14125) on :

You know, if we change the question to which one chewed the most scenery in the shortest amount of time, Eric Roberts would be winning by a landslide...

Posted by The Phantom Flan Flinger (# 8891) on :

Delgado, Simm & Gomez were all good, but I went for the Master from my childhood - Ainley.

Posted by Ariel (# 58) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Schroedinger's cat:
I feel that Delgado defined the role, and did it brilliantly. He defines the role in a way that none of the Doctor actors do.

I think John Simm did a good version of a more up to date psychotic doctor - he has always been, I think, slightly disturbed, and Simm is good at playing that.

Agree with you on both points. I wavered between voting for Delgado or Simm, but went for Simm on the grounds that his performance had an edge of the unhinged about it, which made it ultimately more powerful a performance.

Posted by The Rogue (# 2275) on :

Does nobody like Eric?

Posted by Trudy Scrumptious (# 5647) on :

I loved John Simm as the Master and thought the weird twisted intimacy between him and Tennant's Doctor was brilliant.

Posted by Sir Kevin (# 3492) on :

I voted for Derek Jacobi, a very fine actor. I have also heard of Eric Roberts. Doctor Who is fiendishly difficult to view in the US, as it must be recorded and then fast-forwarded to the next five minute segment!

Posted by balaam (# 4543) on :

For the sake of completeness, where's Jonathan Pryce?

Posted by Sir Kevin (# 3492) on :

In a feature film yet to be released?

Posted by balaam (# 4543) on :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Do-wDPoC6GM

Posted by Bob Two-Owls (# 9680) on :

Delgado had that conquistador swagger that just defined the role of the Master. Delgado's Master was there to conquer and plunder the Earth whereas the Doctor was there to safeguard and shepherd. Not even Anthony Ainley could match that.

Posted by The Rogue (# 2275) on :

I'm watching the Daemons at the moment and the point where Delgado turns up as a vicar still made me go "whoa" even though I was expecting it. Middle Rogueling was not expecting it and she reacted the same way. Somehow he managed to pull off looking good and menacing at the same time. No doubt a dog collar helps.

Posted by Ariel (# 58) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Bob Two-Owls:
Delgado had that conquistador swagger that just defined the role of the Master. Delgado's Master was there to conquer and plunder the Earth whereas the Doctor was there to safeguard and shepherd. Not even Anthony Ainley could match that.

True. I always felt that Ainley was a sort of Delgado Lite.

Posted by bib (# 13074) on :

I ticked Derek Jacobi because I hadn't heard of any of the other people. Not sure of the purpose of this poll.

Posted by Hedgehog (# 14125) on :

quote:
Originally posted by bib:
Not sure of the purpose of this poll.

There is no great mystery. It is just a poll to see which actor shipmates preferred playing the part of the Master in Doctor Who. All the listed names are people who played the part at one time or another.

Posted by bib (# 13074) on :

Thanks, I didn't connect the question with Dr Who. Maybe the question should have been clearer in its intent.

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