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teddybear
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Bishop Francesco Nolè of Tursi in Italy has stated in an interview with Pontifex Roma that all "irregulars" such as homosexuals and criminals should be forbidden the sacraments and a church funeral. An article in English is found here.
I do believe that the church does have the right to decide who may or may not be a beneficiary of the sacraments and church burials, however, if this is going to hold true for one class of people, it should be the same for all those the church considers public sinners. You marry outside the church or use birth control, then no church burial for you. You disagree with pope about things, no church burial for you. And why are gays classed with criminals?
What is happening with the Catholic Church these days? Are they beginning to have a melt down?
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mousethief
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I thought it wasn't a sin to simply be a homosexual; that the sin was engaging in "homosexual acts"?
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Spiffy
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Originally posted by mousethief:
I thought it wasn't a sin to simply be a homosexual; that the sin was engaging in "homosexual acts"?
Some of the bishops seem to think identifying as a homosexual is equivalent to engaging in a homosexual act.
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mousethief
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I identify as a heterosexual and that's not a ... oooo.. aaaaaahh..... mmmmmmmm.....yessssss
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Spiffy
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I didn't say their logic was in any way similar our Earth logic.
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Gee D
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Nah, why waste time and money on a funeral for them? Just wrap them in some old seetw, douse t with petrol and send them into the crematorium ovens - they're going to burn in Hell in any event
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Chorister
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Well they have to operate some sort of culling system - too few priests these days to be available to conduct funerals, and people do seem to insist on dying. I suggest a Hilton points or Green Shield stamps system. Those with the most points get to have the full requiem, those with fewer points a quickie furtive burial at midnight, those who have all their points removed, for 'serious' sins (to be arbitrarily allocated), to be thrown over the wall of the nearest faggot factory, to be eaten by dogs.
There, simple. Next question?
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teddybear
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Originally posted by leo:
Why not set fire to them BEFORE they die?
The Church has form when it comes to faggots.
Trouble is, the bishop will find his diocese dramatically short of priests afterwards.
And also short of bishops, cardinals and popes!
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Originally posted by teddybear:
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Bishop Francesco Nolè of Tursi in Italy has stated in an interview with Pontifex Roma that all "irregulars" such as homosexuals and criminals should be forbidden the sacraments and a church funeral.
Hmmmm.... Jesus, remember that man? Does the Bishop remember anything of that he said and did?
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What is happening with the Catholic Church these days? Are they beginning to have a melt down?
The RC meltdown started in the Reformation, didn't it? Or did I miss something?
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multipara
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Yes, you missed the great Schism.
Now back to the OP....
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Gee D
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Leo, A combination of your line:
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The Church has form when it comes to faggots.
along with my idea of wrapping gays in petrol soaked sheets and burning them, may give the good Bishop a new motto: Faggots for faggots.
Environmentally sound as well, as there would probably be some reduction in other fuels needed in crematoria. Just the thing for a remote Italian diocese, and may well be taken up by the usual luminaries of US Evangelical churches.
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leo
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Well, Westboro Baptist Church will have to change its strapline to 'God loves faggots when they are well-hung....I mean well-cooked.'
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Avila
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When I was in Zambia the united church there didn't offer a church funeral to anyone who was not a member, they also had systems for suspending people from membership for proved misdemenors - such as marrying without the church's permission (both parties had to be approved and members of a church)
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Amanda B. Reckondwythe
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New York's Church of the Transfiguration, a/k/a "The Little Church Around the Corner", got its nickname when an actor approached the pastor of a neighboring church to arrange for the funeral of a fellow actor who had died.
The pastor refused, saying that there was a "little church around the corner that does that sort of thing."
I suppose the inference was that the deceased, being an actor, was de facto homosexual, and that the "little church around the corner", being Episcopal, was a haven for "that kind".
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Crœsos
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Originally posted by Amanda B. Reckondwythe:
I suppose the inference was that the deceased, being an actor, was de facto homosexual, and that the "little church around the corner", being Episcopal, was a haven for "that kind".
Actually it was probably more to do the the profession of acting rather than any sexual orientation. It was only relatively recently that the profession of actor was considered repectable, and refusing Christian burial to thespians was a fairly common practice prior to the twentieth century.
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Josephine
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I have never understood why any Church would deny burial to anyone, given that burying the dead is one of the seven corporal works of mercy.
The same service might not be appropriate for all. But surely praying for the departed, and commending them to God's mercy and love, would be appropriate even for departed criminals.
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Lyda*Rose
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There are quite a few people around who are not as kind as you, Josephine.
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Josephine
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Thank you, Lyda Rose. But I don't think it's kindness on my part. I think it's more lack of imagination. I simply can't wrap my mind around the idea that burying someone means you approved of them and all the choices they made in their lives. When we feed the hungry, we don't ask them to pass a purity test. When you read the parable of the sheep and the goats, you know that our Lord expects us to feed the hungry. You'd be afraid, I think, to pick and choose among the hungry you were willing to feed based on your own judgment of their virtue.
Why would we not have the same holy fear regarding our duty to bury the dead?
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Boogie
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Originally posted by Lamb Chopped:
Weirdoes.
We'd bury the devil himself.
Now THAT'd be an interesting service....
Which hymns to choose ...
Plenty of readings which feature the devil ...
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QJ
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maybe a Calvinist church is better for gays. As a hetero, i am in total depravity. If i am "once saved always saved" then it makes no difference what bad behaviours i may do after my moment of salvation. Once i am dead, my soul will never again get horny over hot chicks with low pants and high braless alter tops. I would assume that a gay, once deceased, will not get hot over same sex people. So that the funeral is a victory party for the deceased. At that party, the deceased will not be thinking of any more sinning ever again.
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Olaf
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Originally posted by Josephine:
I have never understood why any Church would deny burial to anyone, given that burying the dead is one of the seven corporal works of mercy.
The same service might not be appropriate for all. But surely praying for the departed, and commending them to God's mercy and love, would be appropriate even for departed criminals.
Amen. Anybody who would make up a rule with the intent of denying God's grace has no business being a priest, let alone a bishop. It is possible that a priest can try to correct, and to lead people on the right path, but in the end, one of the hardest tasks we as Christians must accomplish is forgiveness.
One wonders if Peter, upon being presented with the office of the keys, thought to himself "Why would I deny anybody?" or "Who am I to deny anybody?" And one wonders what Jesus was thinking then, too...
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Josephine
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Originally posted by Martin L:
One wonders if Peter, upon being presented with the office of the keys, thought to himself "Why would I deny anybody?" or "Who am I to deny anybody?" And one wonders what Jesus was thinking then, too...
I suspect that Jesus was thinking, "You've got the keys, buddy, now go unlock all the locks and throw open all the gates and make sure everyone can get in."
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