Ship of Fools: The General and the Pontiff

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Posted by Mudfrog (# 8116) on :

I am really excited about this ; I just had to share it with Shipmates:

Posted by Rosa Winkel (# 11424) on :

In an ecumenical spirit, perhaps others have seen the video the Pope sent to American Pentecostal leaders.

Here's the video, with speeches preceeding and following it. The Pope's video starts at about 31:44.

Posted by Doublethink. (# 1984) on :

It does give bit of hope doesn't it ?

Posted by CL (# 16145) on :

Hope of/for what exactly?

Posted by mdijon (# 8520) on :

[Roll Eyes]

Posted by Mudfrog (# 8116) on :

quote:
Originally posted by CL:
Hope of/for what exactly?

Well, recognising as they both did, that there are theological differences between us and the RC Church, the hope we speak of is a greater willingness to work together.

In a world that is increasingly indifferent or hostile to the church, we need to be closing ranks together against the attacks, not fighting amongst ourselves.

To my mind the blood of Christ that cleanses from all sin is the important common denominator - whether one receives its grace at the Catholic Mass or at the Salvation Army Mercy Seat.

Posted by Gamaliel (# 812) on :

I'm pleased to see it but not sure I'm 'excited' about it - but then, I can get a bit Eeyore at times about the prospect of genuine ecumenical dialogue ...

I've certainly heard RC priests express admiration for the Salvation Army and its work and I'm sure Mudfrog has too.

I think it's certainly the case that the RCs and the Salvationists meet 'at the peripheries of society' - and indeed that any other of the various Christian traditions can meet there too - if they are prepared to get their hands as dirty as the SA does and those RC and other agencies which might meet them there.

I must admit, I do like this current Pontiff from what I've seen so far.

Posted by Jengie jon (# 273) on :

I went to the first Jesus in the City* in the 1990s. Back then it was a heady mix, with Wild Goose, Roman Catholics as well as Evangelicals. There was the time when a Evangelical Protestant Northern Irish leader hugged a Catholic Franciscan brother. There was also the comment made that for people ministering at the margins it is more often others in such ministry who understand rather than those of the same tradition.

It has shrunk from those heady days and the constituency is not nearly as broad.

Jengie

*That links to 2013 as the overarching www.jitc.org.uk domain registration has lapsed. The detail for 2010, and 2007

Posted by PaulTH* (# 320) on :

quote:
From Mudfrog's link:
In a first private audience in the Vatican with a Salvation Army general on Friday, Pope Francis said theological differences do not impede the witness of a shared love of God and neighbour.

Theological differences are a matter of opinion. Our requirement to love God and our neighbour isn't. So this can only be positive. Gaudete!

Posted by dj_ordinaire (# 4643) on :

quote:
Originally posted by CL:
Hope of/for what exactly?

A better world?

Posted by Enoch (# 14322) on :

This chap called Doug Batchelor clearly doesn't approve. Has any shipmate ever heard of him, or can say anything about him? As far as I'm aware, he's unknown here. Is he greatly respected or widely regarded as a nut job?

Posted by dj_ordinaire (# 4643) on :

That's... different [Ultra confused]

I was kinda tempted to click on his 'Countdown to Armageddon' video but somehow resisted...

Posted by mdijon (# 8520) on :

It seems some in the adventist fold might regard him as a bit of a mixed blessing, while others would think he's overdone the ecumenical stuff.

Posted by Al Eluia (# 864) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Enoch:
This chap called Doug Batchelor clearly doesn't approve. Has any shipmate ever heard of him, or can say anything about him? As far as I'm aware, he's unknown here. Is he greatly respected or widely regarded as a nut job?

I've seen Doug Batchelor's show "Amazing Facts" inadvertently while flipping channels. I don't know how highly regarded he is in End Time Prophecy (TM) circles. What I've heard of his views sounds a lot like garden-variety dispensataionalism. Certainly the story linked in the OP does--any form of ecumenism is a harbinger of "One World Religion" and thus of the Antichrist.

Posted by Enoch (# 14322) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Al Eluia:
... Certainly the story linked in the OP does--any form of ecumenism is a harbinger of "One World Religion" and thus of the Antichrist.

So schism is a sign that 'it is well, it is well with my soul'? [Waterworks]

Posted by Al Eluia (# 864) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Enoch:

quote:
Originally posted by Al Eluia:
... Certainly the story linked in the OP does--any form of ecumenism is a harbinger of "One World Religion" and thus of the Antichrist.
So schism is a sign that 'it is well, it is well with my soul'?

Certainly fundamentalists seem more comfortable with schism if it keeps them (in their minds) doctrinally pure, since they'll often split churches at the drop of a hat. As an example, the church I belonged to as a teenager nearly split (this was before my time) over whether to baptize in the name of "the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit" or of "the Lord Jesus Christ." Both formulas are mentioned in the NT. They resolved the matter by agreeing to use both, but I still think that's a pretty good illustration.

Posted by Jengie jon (# 273) on :

Well as RCs here and many Anglicans here would not acknowledge baptism if only in the name of Lord Jesus Christ, he was perhaps not as unduly schismatic as you think.

Jengie

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