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Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on
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WTF is it with you? You have, over the years been called repeatedly for posting obscure, self-indulgent bollocks and your contributions (eg this) to the Islamic Violence thread in Purgatory have continued this trend.
You have ruined the flow of many knotty threads, confused the heck out of regulars (me for a start) and I have no doubt discouraged n00bs. Maybe that's your Grand Design. We've seen that you're smart enough to write clear and simple prose so why don't you do that rather than crap all over them?
Put up or shut up.
Posted by Teufelchen (# 10158) on
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Thank you, Sioni, for showing the younger generation of shipmates how to write a cogent Hell call.
Martin! You have apparently embraced a more liberal brand of Christianity since I was last a regular here. But you're still posting obfuscatory drivel, and it still seems to imply that we're all out of step but you.
Can you extricate yourself from your self-embrace for a few moments and explain why you don't just say what you mean?
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Posted by Tortuf (# 3784) on
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With some posters on the Ship I just automatically skip over their content. I just do not think what they have to write is worth taking my time to read it. A number of these posters write in a clear, easy to understand way.
With other posters I look and see if they are headed down the same familiar road, or the poster has something new to say. Most of these posters write in clear, easy to understand ways.
With other posters I avidly look forward to what they post as I know it will be thought provoking even as I may disagree with it.
With Martin I know there is a good chance I am going to have to think about what he posts. And when I figure out what I think he means I usually find a pearl of wisdom.
I'm struggling to see why it is a bad thing to have to think about what Martin posts.
YMMV and clearly does.
Posted by mousethief (# 953) on
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quote:
Originally posted by Teufelchen:
Martin! You have apparently embraced a more liberal brand of Christianity since I was last a regular here. But you're still posting obfuscatory drivel, and it still seems to imply that we're all out of step but you.
Can you extricate yourself from your self-embrace for a few moments and explain why you don't just say what you mean?
Because when he says what he means it becomes clear he thinks he's a better Christian than us all.
Posted by no prophet's flag is set so... (# 15560) on
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Martin ocassionally says something oddly fascinating, like poetry at 4 a.m. when I was at univ and everyone is half cut on the garbage bag of Martin weed he always carries with him. And then he pulls out a ukelele and Jesus does a duet with him.
Posted by Golden Key (# 1468) on
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I more or less agree with Tortuf.
It's poetry, guys, plus Zen koans, current mental/emotional/spiritual weather, and a few interesting things Martin rescued from the gutter, a compost pile, and a hidden shelf at the library. And an antique yo-yo, dryer lint, and bubble gum wrappers (with crumpled Bazooka comics).
An art form. A dynamic sculpture of collage.
Posted by mdijon (# 8520) on
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The frustration on the thread Sioni links to is that the obfuscatory style covers not a pearl of wisdom but a stuck-record whine about Islamic violence, all our violence and avoiding discussion. It annoys me to put in effort to understanding something for that and you can see on the thread that it has tried the patience of some extremely patient posters.
Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on
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quote:
Originally posted by Golden Key:
I more or less agree with Tortuf.
It's poetry, guys, plus Zen koans, current mental/emotional/spiritual weather, and a few interesting things Martin rescued from the gutter, a compost pile, and a hidden shelf at the library. And an antique yo-yo, dryer lint, and bubble gum wrappers (with crumpled Bazooka comics).
An art form. A dynamic sculpture of collage.
Sorry, but I don't regard objets trouve* suitable for debating threads. I like some expressionist art, but not in Purgatory.
That's really a matter for the Hosts and Admins so I could post in The Styx. For now I'm simply fed up with Martin60's arrogance in posting this way and generally disrupting the thread.
*'Objects found'. IIRC the Dadaists and Surrealists were fond of this, usually in a clueless phase.
Posted by Golden Key (# 1468) on
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Sioni Sais--
Well, found art is still popular, in many forms. There's even a magazine of more mundane found things.
And, um, what about the usual Shiply advice of "just scroll on by"?
Posted by Ariel (# 58) on
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quote:
Originally posted by Golden Key:
It's poetry, guys, plus Zen koans, current mental/emotional/spiritual weather, and a few interesting things Martin rescued from the gutter, a compost pile, and a hidden shelf at the library. And an antique yo-yo, dryer lint, and bubble gum wrappers (with crumpled Bazooka comics).
An art form. A dynamic sculpture of collage.
I don't give a monkey's. It's a discussion board. We shouldn't have to sit there puzzling out cryptic posts as if they're some kind of crossword clue before we can answer his points. He's deliberately obfuscatory because he's enjoying giving people a two-fingered salute and laughing at them. Carry on feeding him with applause if you want but be aware of what you're doing.
Posted by mdijon (# 8520) on
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I often find Martin's posts mildly entertaining when I read one or two. When I try to talk to him about his views I find them less entertaining. When he does it on an emotive topic it's a train wreck.
Sure, one can scroll past, one can not read the thread, one can choose not to log on to SoF. All these are possibilities yet getting irritated is a possibility as well, particularly when one has tried to engage, and hence we have hell to vent in. And then, having vented, we have the choice to pick another mode of engagement.
Posted by Golden Key (# 1468) on
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Ariel--
I find many people's posts somewhat cryptic--especially when the paragraphs are very long, very densely worded, and have a lot of unfamiliar concepts. (And I'm not pointing at any particular posters.)
Part of that is because, as an adult, I've developed some neuro glitches that sometimes make that kind of text difficult and confusing. When that's acting up, I get in the middle of a dense paragraph, my mind feels lost and decides to hike back out. (tl;dr, more or less.)
With Martin, at least their puzzleness is obvious at a glance (IMHO), and you (gen.) don't have to read as long to realize you haven't got a clue!
![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Posted by Anglican't (# 15292) on
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I assumed he's high on something when he writes like that.
Posted by quetzalcoatl (# 16740) on
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Martin reminds me of a 17 year old cousin, who has been reading Sartre, and who likes to regale family parties with gnomic utterances. I feel irritated and affectionate in equal measure - but on the other hand, the cousin will grow up!
Posted by LeRoc (# 3216) on
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quetzalcoatl: Martin reminds me of a 17 year old cousin, who has been reading Sartre, and who likes to regale family parties with gnomic utterances.
Does it work? (I have a friend for whom it does.)
Posted by orfeo (# 13878) on
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There was a good phase of Martin.
It seems to be over.
Posted by Chesterbelloc (# 3128) on
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quote:
Originally posted by Ariel:
he's enjoying giving people a two-fingered salute and laughing.
What is the sound of one finger saluting?
Posted by Martin60 (# 368) on
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Johnny lad. Chums.
First off. My apologies. Drink had been taken and I was responding to Raptor Eye at the end of page 17 not realising in my sodden dotage that the stream had flowed on by the time my comment and correction (the necessity indicative of the Côtes du Rhône after a hard night among evangelicals ...) surfaced way down page 18.
Second off. ... my apologies. The phases tumble on eh?
What can I put right here in response to any no holds barred question on Islam and violence or anything else?
Posted by LeRoc (# 3216) on
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Sioni Sais: (eg this)
I still understood parts of that one. This one however ... I've got nothin'.
Posted by Martin60 (# 368) on
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All is made clear on the thread in question LeRoc. As for your sophomoric views on omnipotence ... ![[Biased]](wink.gif)
Posted by LeRoc (# 3216) on
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Martin60: As for your sophomoric views on omnipotence ...
I think you are the living proof of my sophomoric views on omnipotence.
Posted by Martin60 (# 368) on
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orfeo, orfeo. Wherefore art thou orfeo? Yours inconstantly ...
mousethief, it's all right mate, I don't think I'm better than you because you can't admit you got Jesus and His cousin mixed up and therefore have a cognitively dissonant understanding of pacifism you can't loop yet. I understand. I really do.
Golden Key. I'm just like all the other boys. You should see my pawn collection.
Tortuf. That's just you projecting your bloody niceness. Finding what you want to see. I'm just a mirror, you can tell me by the way I walk.
Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on
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quote:
Originally posted by Martin60:
Johnny lad. Chums.
First off. My apologies. Drink had been taken and I was responding to Raptor Eye at the end of page 17 not realising in my sodden dotage that the stream had flowed on by the time my comment and correction (the necessity indicative of the Côtes du Rhône after a hard night among evangelicals ...) surfaced way down page 18.
Second off. ... my apologies. The phases tumble on eh?
I'm not sure it's always a matter of PWD but acknowledgements and apologies accepted. Pax.
quote:
What can I put right here in response to any no holds barred question on Islam and violence or anything else?
This is another matter entirely. You can't put things right here. All you can do is post in simple clear prose when contributing to discussions. I've seen you write in that way and while it might less satisfying to you it drives the thread along a treat.
Happy posting!
Posted by Martin60 (# 368) on
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Dashed decent of you Mr. English.
PWD in the {U/Li}nux Print Working Directory sense? Or me in the People With 'Disability' sense?!
Less will be more in future.
Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on
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quote:
Originally posted by Martin60:
Dashed decent of you Mr. English.
PWD in the {U/Li}nux Print Working Directory sense? Or me in the People With 'Disability' sense?!
Less will be more in future.
My apologies: PWD is 'posting while drunk'.
Posted by Porridge (# 15405) on
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quote:
Originally posted by Martin60:
Dashed decent of you Mr. English.
PWD in the {U/Li}nux Print Working Directory sense? Or me in the People With 'Disability' sense?!
Less will be more in future.
More what, though? Merely adding words may not solve the problem (witness the IngoB thread in Hell, sorry, no, Limbo. Bingo's posts do not lack for words).
It's not just the compression of your posts that I have trouble with (others' MMV), it's these:
1. What post are you responding to? Could you use the "quote" function occasionally?
2. How are you proceeding from Point A to Point B? Often, I see two thoughts of yours next to each other as though the connection between them is obvious. Maybe I'm just dumb, but I often see no relationship between them. It's also often difficult for me to understand how your response relates to another poster's comments. Could you at least occasionally fill in these gaps about your thought process (not just the thoughts themselves) for those of us who flunked Mind Reading 101?
3. Finally, I grow weary of the constant harping on your human failings. There's really no need to inform or remind us of these; we all have 'em, and we all see 'em in each other. It begins to come across as false humility and/or a dig at the rest of us for failing to yak on & on about our own. "What an asshole I am, and how colossally we all suck" may be a thread in its own right, but it needn't form the core of every thread on the Ship.
Posted by Martin60 (# 368) on
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PWD! Strewth! Two ... three glasses. Stroll on.
Aye Porridge, we'll see. (Woe unto me I am but a mere etc).
The simplest explanation is always valid. There is no connection.
Posted by no prophet's flag is set so... (# 15560) on
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You mentioned you'd had some drink Martin. I need to know what it is you drink (I wrongly thought it must be what you smoke). I want to both drink what you drink, and also avoid it. I also want to know what musical instrument.
Posted by mousethief (# 953) on
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quote:
Originally posted by Martin60:
mousethief, it's all right mate, I don't think I'm better than you because you can't admit you got Jesus and His cousin mixed up and therefore have a cognitively dissonant understanding of pacifism you can't loop yet. I understand. I really do.
As I said.
Posted by Porridge (# 15405) on
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quote:
Originally posted by Martin60:
PWD! Strewth! Two ... three glasses. Stroll on.
Aye Porridge, we'll see. (Woe unto me I am but a mere etc).
The simplest explanation is always valid. There is no connection.
*Sigh*
Just above and to the right of Sioni’s post is a set of quote marks. If you click on these, you can re-post Sioni’s exact words, with his ID (you can also highlight and delete, if you wish, all the ones that have no bearing on your response, e.g.:
quote:
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
My apologies: PWD is 'posting while drunk'.
And while using a poster’s name is a fine alternative (e.g. quote:
Originally posted by Martin60:
Aye Porridge, we'll see. (Woe unto me I am but a mere etc).
),
it also helps to signify which poster you’re addressing a stand-alone remark like this –
quote:
Originally posted by Martin60:
The simplest explanation is always valid. There is no connection.
– to.
I suppose this is aimed my way, but why make us guess?
Posted by Martin60 (# 368) on
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Aye Porridge, one can do all of that.
mousethief, your case rests.
no ... if I do more than the thinnest spliff I get REALLY PARANOID. Full bodied reds. Single malts. Gin out the freezer. Real ale. Cinzano and sod. What a night.
Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on
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Martin60. I'll give you credit for taste. If you like Cinzano, try to get hold of some Lillet, from Bordeaux.
Posted by Martin60 (# 368) on
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I thought that was a sanitary towel?!
I've had it I recall.
Posted by Martin60 (# 368) on
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And I'm the sod with the Cinzano ... with soda.
Posted by Porridge (# 15405) on
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Well, I'm guessing there's yet another explanation, to wit: You're not talking to us at all. You're talking to yourself, AKA your Cinzano-and-soda.
Posted by Leorning Cniht (# 17564) on
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quote:
Originally posted by Martin60:
Cinzano and sod. What a night.
Is that the yuppie version of rum, buggery and the lash?
Posted by Martin60 (# 368) on
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One went to gremmer school frum one's kinesil hise precisely because one DIDN'T have to endure double sodomy on Wednesday afternoons as at the nearest public school which would have taken one as a charity case.
I always George Melly's Merchant Navy version of wine, women and song: rum, bum and concertina.
[ 28. February 2015, 23:05: Message edited by: Martin60 ]
Posted by Porridge (# 15405) on
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Wow. Is that supposed to be an improvement on reg'lar MartinSpeak?
Posted by orfeo (# 13878) on
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quote:
Originally posted by Martin60:
orfeo, orfeo. Wherefore art thou orfeo? Yours inconstantly ...
mousethief, it's all right mate, I don't think I'm better than you because you can't admit you got Jesus and His cousin mixed up and therefore have a cognitively dissonant understanding of pacifism you can't loop yet. I understand. I really do.
Golden Key. I'm just like all the other boys. You should see my pawn collection.
Tortuf. That's just you projecting your bloody niceness. Finding what you want to see. I'm just a mirror, you can tell me by the way I walk.
One of the things that would most improve your posting is learning to use the bloody quote button. It's not hard, Martin. I mean, this is relatively good because your use of people's names makes it possible for us to make some kind of link to what you're responding to.
But a lot of the time you just spout something and you leave it up to the reader to guess what it connects to. The lack of clarity in what you write sometimes makes this difficult, and often the next bit of a thread is taken up by people trying to guess where the connection lies.
So learn to quote. If you're not sure how, go to the UBB practice thread in Styx and practice.
Posted by LeRoc (# 3216) on
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I've seen Martin quote a couple of times. He knows how to do it if he wants to.
Posted by Porridge (# 15405) on
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quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:
So learn to quote. If you're not sure how, go to the UBB practice thread in Styx and practice.
Request already tendered. Lesson provided upthread. This was the response:
quote:
Originally posted by Martin60:
Aye Porridge, one can do all of that.
Note that one DIDN’T, however.
(Am I getting the hang of MartinSpeak yet? Or is that too clear?)
Posted by no prophet's flag is set so... (# 15560) on
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quote:
Originally posted by Martin60:
I always George Melly's Merchant Navy version of wine, women and song: rum, bum and concertina.
I am enjoying having all my questions answered indirectly. I now know what musical instrument he plays, and what makes him stupefied for Jesus.
Posted by orfeo (# 13878) on
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quote:
Originally posted by Porridge:
quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:
So learn to quote. If you're not sure how, go to the UBB practice thread in Styx and practice.
Request already tendered. Lesson provided upthread. This was the response:
quote:
Originally posted by Martin60:
Aye Porridge, one can do all of that.
Note that one DIDN’T, however.
(Am I getting the hang of MartinSpeak yet? Or is that too clear?)
Far too clear.
Martin has had his posts edited in Hell before, I seem to recall. I wonder if he'd like to go through the experience again?
Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on
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quote:
Originally posted by LeRoc:
I've seen Martin quote a couple of times. He knows how to do it if he wants to.
He can do any bleeding thing he puts his mind too. He's a clever guy. Too much of the time however he indulges himself to a near-sociopathic extent and that's why I called him.
Believe me, if I wasn't sure he could post clearly, I wouldn't have called him to Hell.
Posted by Pyx_e (# 57) on
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As per his apology; I have often wondered how often Martin posts when he is a little tipsy. The trouble is the ones where I detect a whiff of alcohol are often the most poetic and cogent. Martin is a constant reminder for me of the cartoon that used to be on the side bar over there --------->
The Aslan / Litter box one. It gently reminds me that most of God is simply not intelligible to me, and that is how God likes it. Damn he sent Jesus 2000 years ago who did stuff for three years, a few short books were written about it and I (and the whole of creation) can't understand it, get my head round it or control it.
I have less and less problems with Martin's type of posting than I do with intricately argued theological gnat arguments. Martin has embraced the camel.
Martin, he's just this guy, you know.
Posted by quetzalcoatl (# 16740) on
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Very good points there; I do tend to see him as a holy fool: irritating, but pregnant!
Posted by Martin60 (# 368) on
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OK, OK, already. I must be more considerate. Stone me.
I must be more considerate.
I MUST be more considerate.
I must BE more considerate.
I must be MORE considerate.
I must be more CONSIDERATE.
Can I do director's cuts?
As for DRINK! I don't on school nights.
Posted by Doublethink. (# 1984) on
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Please could this possibly include not using caps for emphasis.
Posted by Tortuf (# 3784) on
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Make sure everyone that you tell Martin exactly how to act so that you can be happy.
Posted by JonahMan (# 12126) on
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quote:
Originally posted by Pyx_e:
Martin, he's just this guy, you know.
The first 7 million posts were the worst. The next 7 million were the worst too. After that he goes into a bit of a decline.
Posted by orfeo (# 13878) on
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quote:
Originally posted by Martin60:
Can I do director's cuts?
You ain't a director.
Posted by Martin60 (# 368) on
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Sharper than a hound's tooth. A couple of venom laden fangs you and JonahMan both. And it's MarTin. Oooh, does that infract Doublethink?
That's the director's cut for aficionados.
quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:
quote:
Originally posted by Martin60:
Can I do director's cuts?
You ain't a director.
Sharper than a hound's tooth. A couple of venom laden fangs you and JonahMan both.
quote:
Originally posted by JonahMan:
quote:
Originally posted by Pyx_e:
Martin, he's just this guy, you know.
The first 7 million posts were the worst. The next 7 million were the worst too. After that he goes into a bit of a decline.
And it's MarTin.
quote:
Originally posted by Doublethink.:
Please could this possibly include not using caps for emphasis.
Oooh, does that infract Doublethink?
(It looks a bit like the German version of Monty Python to me)
Posted by mousethief (# 953) on
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Originally posted by Tortuf:
Make sure everyone that you tell Martin exactly how to act so that you can be happy.
Okay: not like an asshole. Although his ability to affect my happiness is nil.
[spelling]
[ 01. March 2015, 15:32: Message edited by: mousethief ]
Posted by RooK (# 1852) on
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Martin60: In your head, sure, it might seem to lack the comic timing and poetic structural aesthetic you strive for. But that only applies to the context of your infarct cranium.
In the context of a text-based discussion medium, the so-called Geman Monty Python version is imminently more likely to be an actual contribution to the thread in the experience of most readers.
Although, JonahMan's hilarious quasi-quote from the Hitch Hiker's Guide To The Galaxy was from Marvin (the Paranoid Android). So we're still left with your classic MartinPCNOT literary impressionism, combining a rhyming metal with the character's name to suggest mechanical-ness. Which I can simultaneously appreciate and recognize as fucking terrible communication.
Which is really what's being discussed. I think the trick is to be mindful of the balance between functional contribution and amusing-but-fucking-terrible communication. For the exact same reasons that you don't drink those admitted liquors on school nights - there is can indeed be too much of an amusing thing.
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[ 01. March 2015, 15:38: Message edited by: RooK ]
Posted by Eutychus (# 3081) on
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quote:
Originally posted by RooK:
Although, JonahMan's hilarious quasi-quote from the Hitch Hiker's Guide To The Galaxy was from Marvin (the Paranoid Android).
HHG tangent alert/
But the one he was responding to was from Gag Halfrunt.
/HHG tangent alert
Posted by mousethief (# 953) on
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Originally posted by RooK:
Martin60: In your head, sure, it might seem to lack the comic timing and poetic structural aesthetic you strive for. But that only applies to the context of your infarct cranium.
I never even dreamed I'd ever live to see the word "infarct" used in a sentence. My life has become just ever so slightly much richer.
Posted by Martin60 (# 368) on
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Sod me oh superstore shopper, oh food gathering corvine charioteer, give a mediocrity trying too hard a break!
And mousethief. You remind me of George Spiggott where he ups Stanley Moon's (and me and Ludwig II's) "LOVE ME!", with 'You fill me with inertia'. It's nice to know that I achieve an average of nil on your emotional register. It's better than nothing. Though I really bethink me that thou dost protest too much.
[ 01. March 2015, 18:18: Message edited by: Martin60 ]
Posted by Marvin the Martian (# 4360) on
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quote:
Originally posted by RooK:
Although, JonahMan's hilarious quasi-quote from the Hitch Hiker's Guide To The Galaxy was from Marvin (the Paranoid Android).
I'm glad you clarified that. It's important to know which Marbin is being discussed...
Posted by ThunderBunk (# 15579) on
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Everyone has their vogon poet on the Ship. Mine is not Martin. The fact that others' might be, since it is apparently not permitted to ask mine to shut up and wish him eternally silent, worries me not too much.
Posted by ChastMastr (# 716) on
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quote:
Originally posted by Martin60:
mousethief, it's all right mate, I don't think I'm better than you because you can't admit you got Jesus and His cousin mixed up and therefore have a cognitively dissonant understanding of pacifism you can't loop yet. I understand. I really do.
Martin, that really does come across as insufferably self-righteous. ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
Posted by Pyx_e (# 57) on
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quote:
Originally posted by ChastMastr:
quote:
Originally posted by Martin60:
mousethief, it's all right mate, I don't think I'm better than you because you can't admit you got Jesus and His cousin mixed up and therefore have a cognitively dissonant understanding of pacifism you can't loop yet. I understand. I really do.
Martin, that really does come across as insufferably self-righteous.
and that doesn't?
Posted by LeRoc (# 3216) on
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quote:
Originally posted by Pyx_e:
quote:
Originally posted by ChastMastr:
quote:
Originally posted by Martin60:
mousethief, it's all right mate, I don't think I'm better than you because you can't admit you got Jesus and His cousin mixed up and therefore have a cognitively dissonant understanding of pacifism you can't loop yet. I understand. I really do.
Martin, that really does come across as insufferably self-righteous.
and that doesn't?
And that?
(This is a nice game.)
Posted by Martin60 (# 368) on
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It's worse than that. mousethief and I bring out the passive aggressor in each other. It's not his fault.
Posted by mousethief (# 953) on
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Speak for yourself.
Posted by mousethief (# 953) on
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Passive aggression has nothing to do with it. You attack me, and I finally get pissed off and call you on it. You make a mealy-mouthed apology (perhaps that is what you mean by passive-aggression), then weeks or months later do it again.
Being sick of being attacked, and calling the attacker on it, is not passive aggression, however much it would make you feel better to think there is some kind of parity between us. This is what is called "false equivalence." Probably also a case of projection. But not a case of accurate appraisal of reality.
Posted by Martin60 (# 368) on
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Forgive me.
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