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Posted by mousethief (# 953) on :

From the "lost faith get paid" thread in 8th day:

quote:
Originally posted by Pre-cambrian:
[Y]our contributions over time on anything to do with atheism and loss of faith reveal a deep antipathy to "apostates".

(emphasis mine)

You fucking liar.

I quote from the "I'll pray for you" thread from the same board:

quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
I have often told atheist friends I'd pray for them. Not for them to return to the fold, however. But for their lumbago, their job situation, whatever. I told them this makes me feel better. This is in addition to offering to do whatever is within my power to help them.

It's never been rebuffed.

quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:

quote:
Originally posted by Schroedinger's cat:
It is when someone says "I realised today that I am gay" or "I have left the church", or anything else that is seen as a positive by the poster (or commenter) to then respond with "I will pray for you" is abusive and hurtful.
I agree that it would be perceived as such, and should not be presented that way. If someone said, "I realized today that I am gay," my response would be (and has been), "well, I love you no matter what, and now as always before if there's something i can do to help you, please let me know."

For the latter, "I am an atheist now," the response is similar: "Well, I love you no matter what. If you have examined all the evidence and come to that conclusion, then that's where you are, and I will accept and love you just as I always have. I can't tell anyone to do any differently, because that's how I came to be where I am. That kind of examination may lead people in different directions, and if you're okay with that, then so am I."

Then I try to be the best friend/father/cousin/uncle/whatever to them as I can. And if anything about them needs to change, then it's out of my hands, other than to support them with love. If God exists and wants more than that, She's going to have to do it some other way because that's all I can give.

Yeah, that's sure some deep antipathy I've got going there.

You asshole. What I have a deep antipathy for is liars and people who try to drag other people's names through the mud. Be they atheist, Christian, or what-the-fuck-ever.

Posted by Pre-cambrian (# 2055) on :

Selective quoting?

Later on in that thread you come up with:

quote:
At some point, the minister's lack of faith becomes intolerable.

OED definitions of "intolerable":

quote:
That cannot be tolerated or put up with; unbearable, insupportable.

Yes, that sounds like antipathy.

Again your opener on another thread was:

quote:
Is this typical of you atheist deconverts, or is she just an asshole?

I.e. was she an asshole, or are all you atheists assholes? Antipathy? Not much. Maybe you'd made your opinions of atheist assholes more than clear. Perhaps that's why she acted before you could dump her.

Someone who selectively quotes their own posts is the liar, Mousethief.

Posted by RuthW (# 13) on :

Nice try, but you made a blanket statement that you will now have a hard time defending, mainly because it is indefensible.

Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Pre-cambrian:
Selective quoting?

Later on in that thread you come up with:
quote:
At some point, the minister's lack of faith becomes intolerable.
OED definitions of "intolerable":
quote:
That cannot be tolerated or put up with; unbearable, insupportable.
Yes, that sounds like antipathy.

.

Did it occur to you that he meant "intolerable for the minister?" as in, "it is really painful to try to act like you have a faith you don't? Because, whether you agree with it or not, that read makes a hell of a lot more sense and fits mousethief's other posts more than the way you spun it.

[ 12. January 2015, 01:47: Message edited by: Kelly Alves ]

Posted by Leorning Cniht (# 17564) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Pre-cambrian:
OED definitions of "intolerable":
quote:
That cannot be tolerated or put up with; unbearable, insupportable.
Yes, that sounds like antipathy.

Really? I suggest that you try again.

It would indeed be intolerable (insupportable, unbearable, ...) for an avowed atheist to serve as a parish priest. This doesn't imply any feelings of antipathy towards the person in question at all. The fact that he is profoundly unsuited to being a priest doesn't at all mean that anyone hates him. It just means that he's not suited to being a priest.

Similarly it would be intolerable for a university to hire Dave the Street Sweeper as Professor of Mathematics. That doesn't mean that anyone hates Dave, who no doubt is a perfectly lovely chap - just that he's not suited to be a maths professor.

Posted by Golden Key (# 1468) on :

I concur with Kelly's interpretation.

Posted by orfeo (# 13878) on :

Oh God. Not more screwy definitions of the English language.

Posted by mousethief (# 953) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Leorning Cniht:
It would indeed be intolerable (insupportable, unbearable, ...) for an avowed atheist to serve as a parish priest. This doesn't imply any feelings of antipathy towards the person in question at all. The fact that he is profoundly unsuited to being a priest doesn't at all mean that anyone hates him. It just means that he's not suited to being a priest.

Similarly it would be intolerable for a university to hire Dave the Street Sweeper as Professor of Mathematics. That doesn't mean that anyone hates Dave, who no doubt is a perfectly lovely chap - just that he's not suited to be a maths professor.

This is actually what I meant, although I thank Kelly and GK for trying to put it in what seems to them a better light. I don't see how it shows antipathy to say someone not trained as a mathematics professor should not have the job of a maths professor. Or that someone who is not a Christian should not have the job of a minister at a Christian church.

I should not under any circumstances be a salesman. Because I suck at it. Hiring me as a salesman would be a bad idea, and were I to somehow get into a sales position and insist on staying in it under false pretense, knowing full well that I couldn't sell ice to a snow cone vendor, that would be intolerable. Dishonesty is intolerable. Lying (which is what I would be doing in that case) is intolerable. It should not be tolerated.

But that's not the issue. The issue is a blanket statement. Any time I spoke about people losing faith, Pre-Cambrian said, I have shown a deep antipathy. That's a universal statement. It is equivalent to saying I have never once said anything about people losing faith that did not show antipathy.

I have shown twice where I spoke on exactly that subject and not only did I not show antipathy, I showed compassion and love. Atheists here have acknowledged this is the case. Therefore to say I have not done so, ever, is a falsehood. Either PC is lying, or is making blanket statements without warrant. Which is hard to excuse, given that the statements I quoted are on this very board, which is all about people losing* their faith, and they were fairly recent as Ship posts go.

Maybe, PC, you didn't see them. In which case you can apologize now for misrepresenting me and for speaking beyond what you knew. If you did, of course, you were saying something you knew to be false, which is lying. Which also you should apologize for. Either way, you owe me an apology.

____
*or abandoning, or knowingly rejecting with every good reason in the world -- I don't mean to use a judgmental verb but it's late, I'm tired, and I'm angry.

[ 12. January 2015, 03:39: Message edited by: mousethief ]

Posted by mdijon (# 8520) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Pre-cambrian:
Selective quoting?

Yes, you gave a good example of that. And what about MT's OP?

Posted by mousethief (# 953) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Pre-cambrian:
Someone who selectively quotes their own posts is the liar, Mousethief.

It only requires one counterexample to disprove a universal. I went above and beyond the call of duty and gave you two. Yes, when someone is disproving a universal, he selectively quotes -- he quotes the counterexamples. Because that's what disproves a universal. This isn't about whether some things I have said about deconverts have shown antipathy. I definitely spoke of that one person with some antipathy because I am still angry and hurt by what she did, 20 years later. Sorry if you don't like that. Actually no I'm not. Fuck yourself if you don't like that.

But you made a universal statement which is false. You owe me an apology.

Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :

quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:
Oh God. Not more screwy definitions of the English language.

'Fraid so. The tenth grade debating society is back in session. Isn't this exactly what IngoB wanted with that 'Hell offshoot' board some years ago?

Posted by Gee D (# 13815) on :

Orfeo, Your guess and Sioni Sais's comments are spot on. Get out your can of Hellhost, and give this one a good spray while it's still small. And remember, when you're on a good thing, stick to it.

Posted by Doc Tor (# 9748) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:

quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:
Oh God. Not more screwy definitions of the English language.
'Fraid so. The tenth grade debating society is back in session. Isn't this exactly what IngoB wanted with that 'Hell offshoot' board some years ago?

And exactly why it didn't happen.

Hell's teeth, this is tedious to read...

Posted by Yorick (# 12169) on :

Atheist here, chipping in with my tuppence.

mousethief has very often shown me antipathy and indeed quite hurtful viciousness, and I am 100% sure that this is (at least partly) because I am an atheist. He has taken similar approach to other atheists on these boards, and I'm sure his refutation is very much along the lines that some of his best friends are black.

Posted by orfeo (# 13878) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Gee D:
Orfeo, Your guess and Sioni Sais's comments are spot on. Get out your can of Hellhost, and give this one a good spray while it's still small. And remember, when you're on a good thing, stick to it.

I must only use my powers for maintaining order and the occasional piece of shocking capriciousness to keep folk on their toes. Swatting a thread just because it makes me want to cry into my gin & tonic at the sheer pointlessness of trying to have a rational discussion with a hamster-brained man is not within my remit.

Posted by Barnabas62 (# 9110) on :

So you could have called him to Hell if he pissed you off that way, Yorick. Maybe you have in the past - I can't recall? But that's your ongoing general privilege here - and his. Which he has just exercised.

And he is, in this case, getting support from some heavy hitters. Which, given the context, is not surprising, whatever you or anyone else may think about mousethief's general posting tendencies.

I think RuthW nailed it myself. Mind you, she often does.

Posted by Gee D (# 13815) on :

A bit of statesmanlike, if shocking, caprice?

Posted by orfeo (# 13878) on :

I can't say I've paid close attention to mousethief's attitude to atheists.

I just know what a counterexample does to an absolutist argument. Or what it's supposed to do anyway, in a logically rational universe...

Posted by Yorick (# 12169) on :

Yes, B62, I quite agree. But just as absolutist arguments are disproven by counterexample, his characterising himself as smelling of roses is undermined by the scent of poo-poo.

Posted by Pyx_e (# 57) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Yorick:
Atheist here, chipping in with my tuppence.

mousethief has very often shown me antipathy and indeed quite hurtful viciousness, and I am 100% sure that this is (at least partly) because I am an atheist. He has taken similar approach to other atheists on these boards, and I'm sure his refutation is very much along the lines that some of his best friends are black.

My God "FACEPALM" he hates me because I'm and Anglican, oh thank feck for that I thought it was because he was misanthropic.

Hold the Front page: Mousethief seems to hate everyone at some point in the day, shock horror.

Posted by Barnabas62 (# 9110) on :

Well, Yorick, I suppose Hell is a very good place for this sort of dialogue.

"You SMELL!"

"No, YOU smell!"

"But you smell WORSE than I smell! Grrrr"

etc

Posted by Doc Tor (# 9748) on :

Well, I'm off to do a couple of chores and go for a swim. Don't break the thread while I'm away.

Posted by Adeodatus (# 4992) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Pyx_e:
Hold the Front page: Mousethief seems to hate everyone at some point in the day, shock horror.

I dare say there are several of us qualify for the title of Ship's Curmudgeon from time to time, Pyx_e. But I confess I've mostly avoided that thread, because when I read it I find mousethief's contributions pressing my buttons. (It's good to find that what he was saying was "intolerable" wasn't what I thought it was, but still.)

(You can tell I'm also going for the "Most wimpish Hell post of the week" award.)

(And I really must stop using so many parentheses.)

Posted by orfeo (# 13878) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Adeodatus:
(You can tell I'm also going for the "Most wimpish Hell post of the week" award.)

What exactly is it that you think you'll win? A gift voucher?

Posted by Dark Knight (# 9415) on :

quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:

quote:
Originally posted by Adeodatus:
(You can tell I'm also going for the "Most wimpish Hell post of the week" award.)
What exactly is it that you think you'll win? A gift voucher?

I would have thought maybe a python. Or some mouth bling.
Wait ... That's "Most Pimpish Hell post of the week" ... Never mind.

Posted by Pyx_e (# 57) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Dark Knight:

quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:

quote:
Originally posted by Adeodatus:
(You can tell I'm also going for the "Most wimpish Hell post of the week" award.)
What exactly is it that you think you'll win? A gift voucher?
I would have thought maybe a python.

He's already got a Boa.

Posted by mousethief (# 953) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Yorick:
Atheist here, chipping in with my tuppence.

mousethief has very often shown me antipathy and indeed quite hurtful viciousness, and I am 100% sure that this is (at least partly) because I am an atheist. He has taken similar approach to other atheists on these boards, and I'm sure his refutation is very much along the lines that some of his best friends are black.

Why don't you ask me if I've stopped beating my wife yet? Roughly the same level of logic.

Posted by Eliab (# 9153) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Yorick:
mousethief has very often shown me antipathy and indeed quite hurtful viciousness, and I am 100% sure that this is (at least partly) because I am an atheist.

I remember (and, from previous comments of yours, so do you) that you and mt used to get on pretty well. And that was when you were just as much an atheist as you are now, and, if anything, slightly more outspoken about it.

The reasons for him falling out with you are years old, and if he hasn't got over them by now, he should, but I'd be astonished if your atheism were one of them.

Posted by Tubbs (# 440) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Dark Knight:

quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:

quote:
Originally posted by Adeodatus:
(You can tell I'm also going for the "Most wimpish Hell post of the week" award.)
What exactly is it that you think you'll win? A gift voucher?
I would have thought maybe a python. Or some mouth bling.
Wait ... That's "Most Pimpish Hell post of the week" ... Never mind.

I have a Top Shop voucher I'll probably never use. I could offer it as some sort of prize. But the competition would be limited to UK shipmates only. [Razz]

I thought MT was an equal opportunity hater and disliked everybody! [Biased]

I read the post and agreed with Kelly’s and LC's interpretation. Being a Minister of Religion is hard enough for those who believe that God called them to be there and believe. I’d imagine that it would be almost impossible for anyone who didn’t believe in God to do it for any length of time.

OTH, that works in reverse as well. As I identify as a Christian, I could hardly set myself up as a female equiv of Richard Dawkins. [Big Grin]

Tubbs

Posted by Doc Tor (# 9748) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Tubbs:
I have a Top Shop voucher I'll probably never use. I could offer it as some sort of prize. But the competition would be limited to UK shipmates only.

You could. On the other hand, this is Hell, not The Circus...

Posted by Doublethink. (# 1984) on :

A female Richard Dawkins, now there is a concept the world doesn't need ...

Posted by Doublethink. (# 1984) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Yorick:
Atheist here, chipping in with my tuppence.

mousethief has very often shown me antipathy and indeed quite hurtful viciousness, and I am 100% sure that this is (at least partly) because I am an atheist. He has taken similar approach to other atheists on these boards, and I'm sure his refutation is very much along the lines that some of his best friends are black.

Are you sure you are an atheist as opposed to a non-theist, because I'm told they are different ?

Posted by mdijon (# 8520) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Yorick:
and I am 100% sure that this is (at least partly) because I am an atheist

How could you be 100% sure?

Posted by Yorick (# 12169) on :

Okay, I'm not important in this, and I'm not interested in any discussion about me or my relationship with mousethief. I brought up the issue that he has been horrid to me, and that I feel sure this is at least in part because of my atheism, because he was trying to persuade people that he's loving to atheists and even prayed for one once.

Posted by RooK (# 1852) on :

I'm pretty sure Yorick is mistaken (shocking, I know). Firstly, mousethief is a jerk to everybody sometimes. Secondly, Yorick is really worth being a jerk to, karmically-speaking.

Occam's Razor.

Posted by Yorick (# 12169) on :

[Killing me]

Whose karma?

[ 12. January 2015, 15:28: Message edited by: Yorick ]

Posted by RooK (# 1852) on :

Faust's.

Posted by RooK (# 1852) on :

And, let's be clear here: mousethief and I have had a long, long relationship often punctuated by gnashing of teeth. I've given him plenty of reasons to be mean to me, so it would be idiotic of me to project that onto coincidental aspects of myself (such as my religious orientation, intellectual philosophies, or my great physical beauty).

One would think that you are in a very similar situation, Yorick (aside from the beauty or intelligence). To over-simplify it as "because I'm an athiest" is lame.

Posted by Yorick (# 12169) on :

Maybe you're right or whatever. Ciao for niao.

Posted by Adeodatus (# 4992) on :

quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:
What exactly is it that you think you'll win?

Your undying contempt of course - duh!

* Mutter mutter calls himself a Hellhost mutter mutter... *

Posted by Pyx_e (# 57) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Yorick:
Maybe you're right or whatever. Ciao for niao.

Tsk, typical atheist.

Posted by Ariston (# 10894) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Adeodatus:

quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:
What exactly is it that you think you'll win?
Your undying contempt of course - duh!

* Mutter mutter calls himself a Hellhost mutter mutter... *

You lose. I only have so much undying contempt to waste on you lot, and a few other people have already beaten you to it. Sorry, by comparison to some of the other shit that's been driving me to the Fernet lately, you're small potatoes.

Posted by balaam (# 4543) on :

quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
It only requires one counterexample to disprove a universal. I went above and beyond the call of duty and gave you two.

Unless the person is talking about the effect of the posts in balance, and I can see nothing from pЄ that says he is talking about every post. You'll have to do better than, "Look! Two posts. Gotcha!

Posted by balaam (# 4543) on :

Yes the final quote is missing. Duh.

Posted by orfeo (# 13878) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Ariston:

quote:
Originally posted by Adeodatus:

quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:
What exactly is it that you think you'll win?
Your undying contempt of course - duh!

* Mutter mutter calls himself a Hellhost mutter mutter... *
You lose. I only have so much undying contempt to waste on you lot, and a few other people have already beaten you to it. Sorry, by comparison to some of the other shit that's been driving me to the Fernet lately, you're small potatoes.

Yeah. As if we have that many weekly doses of undying contempt to hand out. LOL.

In 5 minutes we'll just have forgotten him again.

Ariston, did you eat all the pistachios again? We're out.

Posted by mousethief (# 953) on :

quote:
Originally posted by balaam:
I can see nothing from pЄ that says he is talking about every post.

"Anytime" means at any time. Every single time. What is not "talking about every post" about that? I fail to see how you can see "anytime you do X, you do Y" as not being a universal. It's a poster child for a universal statement.

There is actually only one person on the ship I hold with unremitting contempt, and it's nobody on this thread.

[ 12. January 2015, 23:07: Message edited by: mousethief ]

Posted by mousethief (# 953) on :

quote:
Originally posted by RooK:
And, let's be clear here: mousethief and I have had a long, long relationship often punctuated by gnashing of teeth. I've given him plenty of reasons to be mean to me, so it would be idiotic of me to project that onto coincidental aspects of myself (such as my religious orientation, intellectual philosophies, or my great physical beauty).

Duh, it's your car, asshole.

Posted by RooK (# 1852) on :

Ah! Behold the envy-inducing power of my electric 5-door-hatchback!

Posted by RuthW (# 13) on :

Bwahahahahaha!!! 21st-century Dad mobile.

Posted by RooK (# 1852) on :

Stop swooning. It's unseemly.

Posted by mousethief (# 953) on :

quote:
Originally posted by RooK:
Stop swooning. It's unseemly.

Can't I swoon just a little? If I stay on the linoleum?

Posted by Golden Key (# 1468) on :

MT--

Pssst. The floor is actually linoleum-colored whoopee cushions...

Posted by orfeo (# 13878) on :

How about you all shut up about the floor before I decide that it's time to redecorate Hell, achieving an exciting textural contrast by combining pointy spikes with your entrails?

Posted by Barnabas62 (# 9110) on :

Nice car, though, orfeo. Now if they could only get endurance up to 300 miles ...

AND I'll definitely get my coat and skulk back to Purgatory with my entrails still intact.

Posted by mousethief (# 953) on :

quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:
How about you all shut up about the floor before I decide that it's time to redecorate Hell, achieving an exciting textural contrast by combining pointy spikes with your entrails?

Psht. 1 on the Erin Scale.

Posted by orfeo (# 13878) on :

At least I register.

Posted by Mertseger (# 4534) on :

quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:
At least I register.

Sadly, no: the Erin Scale is logarithmic.

Posted by orfeo (# 13878) on :

Oh great. It's bad enough giving English lessons around here, now we're going to have to supply math tuition as well.

Posted by IngoB (# 8700) on :

If Erin's scale is like the Richter scale, then it is log10, but normed to some "background" activity. Consequently, 0 would mean "not registered above background", but 1 would already be 10 times stronger than "background".

Mathematically, for A and A0 real and positive

0=log_10(1)=log_10(A/A0) => 1=A/A0 => A=A0
1=log_10(10)=log_10(A/A0) => 10=A/A0 => A=10*A0

rather than Mertseger's "joke" which stops short at

0=log_b(1) for any base b (other than b=0, b=10 above).

You are welcome. [Razz]

Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :

Bingo, fuck you in the ear for forcing me to Quotesfile you.

Posted by mousethief (# 953) on :

I was just thinking a simple, linear, 1 to 5 scale. Although logarithmic works too. We might need to have some blistering Erinisms to use as benchmarks to help people gauge where to put posts on the scale.

Posted by IngoB (# 8700) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
Bingo, fuck you in the ear for forcing me to Quotesfile you.

You lack the required organs, but you could try to hump me on the ear.

Posted by Erroneous Monk (# 10858) on :

quote:
Originally posted by IngoB:

quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
Bingo, fuck you in the ear for forcing me to Quotesfile you.
You lack the required organs, but you could try to hump me on the ear.

Sexual insults are so bizarre, aren't they? Why "fuck you in the ear", which as you say, doesn't really work as woman on man, rather than "ride your nose" which does? Just wondering.

Posted by Matt Black (# 2210) on :

Or 'face-sit'.

Posted by Barefoot Friar (# 13100) on :

I'm not sure it works the other way around either. The ear canal is just so small...

Posted by Doc Tor (# 9748) on :

This thread wandered a very long way from the OP, and it's now in a place where you're all discussing sexual positions.

No. Just no.

You can get back to the notion that Pre-Cambrian is a filthy liar and/or mousethief is a meany to atheists, or let this thread die by the side of the road.

Posted by Pyx_e (# 57) on :

it can be done

Posted by Doc Tor (# 9748) on :

[Disappointed]

Don't make me get all hostly...

Posted by balaam (# 4543) on :

quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
There is actually only one person on the ship I hold with unremitting contempt, and it's nobody on this thread.

You are so sweet.

Posted by Ariston (# 10894) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Doc Tor:

Don't make me get all hostly...

Dude, I almost flagged that as NSFW. Not because it's all that obscene, but because I spent the next half hour listening to well-worn Borscht Belt jokes rather than doing work.

Posted by orfeo (# 13878) on :

Join the Hosting team, they said. It'll be challenging but rewarding, they said. You'll be contributing to the community, they said.

We have GIN, they said.

Posted by mousethief (# 953) on :

quote:
Originally posted by balaam:

quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
There is actually only one person on the ship I hold with unremitting contempt, and it's nobody on this thread.
You are so sweet.

My contempt for you has occasional remissions. You're welcome.

Posted by Evensong (# 14696) on :

I've noticed a slight relaxing of your contempt for me recently. (Admittedly it's a mistaken assumption I'm nearing the dark side of Orthodoxy - still). Perhaps that theosis gig is getting to you?

Onward! Upward! Forward!

Posted by Barnabas62 (# 9110) on :

quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:
Join the Hosting team, they said. It'll be challenging but rewarding, they said. You'll be contributing to the community, they said.

We have GIN, they said.

I thought hobnail boots and a thick skin potion were standard issue for HellHosts. GIN just makes you mournful and self-pitying, you know. Not good. Brace yourself, man! Sing these words to the tune of "The Red Flag".

The working class may kiss my ass
I've got the foreman's job at last

Posted by Tubbs (# 440) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Barnabas62:

quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:
Join the Hosting team, they said. It'll be challenging but rewarding, they said. You'll be contributing to the community, they said.

We have GIN, they said.
I thought hobnail boots and a thick skin potion were standard issue for HellHosts. GIN just makes you mournful and self-pitying, you know. Not good. Brace yourself, man! Sing these words to the tune of "The Red Flag".

The working class may kiss my ass
I've got the foreman's job at last

When you're trying to sell something to someone, you stress the benefits rather than the downsides. [Biased]

If you want to sing "The Foreman's Song", the last few lines may helpcheer you up.

Who the hell sang that? Two Ronnies?! (Or Corbett and Barker in a pre-Two Ronnies incarnation?!)

Tubbs

[ 15. January 2015, 12:19: Message edited by: Tubbs ]

Posted by mousethief (# 953) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Evensong:
I've noticed a slight relaxing of your contempt for me recently. (Admittedly it's a mistaken assumption I'm nearing the dark side of Orthodoxy - still).

Trust me you're nowhere near the DARK side of Orthodoxy. We got some pretty ugly shit, and it's better to be a neo -- um -- whatever the hell you are -- than to be like some of the fundamentalist Orthodoxen I've seen online. I would never accuse you of nearing the dark side of Orthodoxy.

Posted by Barnabas62 (# 9110) on :

@ Tubbs

My late dad (who was staunch Labour and once resigned from a foreman's job) taught me the song well over 60 years ago as a warning about the fragility of class loyalty.

I thought orfeo needed cheering up, is all ...

(Slinks back to Purgatory)

[ 15. January 2015, 13:18: Message edited by: Barnabas62 ]

Posted by Evensong (# 14696) on :

quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:

quote:
Originally posted by Evensong:
I've noticed a slight relaxing of your contempt for me recently. (Admittedly it's a mistaken assumption I'm nearing the dark side of Orthodoxy - still).
Trust me you're nowhere near the DARK side of Orthodoxy. We got some pretty ugly shit, and it's better to be a neo -- um -- whatever the hell you are -- than to be like some of the fundamentalist Orthodoxen I've seen online. I would never accuse you of nearing the dark side of Orthodoxy.

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