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Sipech
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"Do to others as you would have them do to you."
If that's a maxim Katie Hopkins adheres to, then she can have no objection to us chasing her out of the country, forcing her to flee for her life, risk drowning, only for us to pull up a boat alongside, not to rescue but to open fire upon her .
This is just the latest in a long line of stupid, ill-thought out, hate-fuelled, ignorant things she has said. Immune to thinking, in particular thinking that she might ever be wrong, she abuses free speech like a motorcyclist attaching a dog lead to a Harley Davidson, doing 90mph and claiming that they're taking the dog for a walk.
Fuck you, you professional gobshite. You are a stain on this earth and the world would be a better place without you.
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She'll get sacked. She makes Clarkson look like Mother Teresa.
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If that's a maxim Katie Hopkins adheres to
The only maxim Hopkins adheres to is: "It's All About Me"
Hence she strives to be endlessly offensive so that that people will pay attention to her. I doubt she even thinks these things - she has too great a range of subjects to have invested much thought into any of them - she just wants the attention.
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She'll get sacked. She makes Clarkson look like Mother Teresa.
She certainly should be, but I can't see the Sun sacking her for saying something that they printed.
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I've signed one of the petitions calling for her to be dropped.
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Why do people buy the Sun? If the editors want to stick by someone saying such vile idiocy then let them do that with reduced circulation of their not even good enough for loo roll publication.
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She's said she'll leave the UK if Labour win the election. When she announced that, a popular social media site suddenly filled up with offers from people to buy her ticket for her.
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Don't kid yourselves that Katie Hopkin's proposal isn't popular amongst Sun readers.
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Or, indeed, the Dirty Digger himself who is, after all, in his own words, a 'Bloody Foreigner' to these shores.
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Hopkins is an unpleasant woman. I don't know whether she actually believes the ghastly things she comes out with, but she does seem to regard herself as a professional shock-jock. Her recent opinions on dementia and depression were also repugnant and wrong-headed.
A friend of mine also pointed out that it's the Sun Editor who approved her appalling article who should also be sacked. The Sun basically approved an article advocating mass murder. Deeply shocking and worrying, in this present political climate.
But of course they won't be sacked, and of course Murdoch will not issue an apology.
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I suppose she's a professional troll, so always seeking new ways to shock. The interesting thing about this piece is that it sounds like IS, so maybe this kind of dehumanization is spreading round the world, and there are weird mirror-images going on.
The other odd thing is that she suffers badly from epilepsy, but seems to talk to herself equally harshly, too bad, just get over yourself, and so on.
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Just because someone like flagellation doesn't mean they should inflict a whipping on others.
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Reminded of something by all this and then I remembered what it was: Winston Smith's description of a newsfilm he'd seen in 1984:
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April 4th, 1984. Last night to the flicks. All war films. One very good one of a ship full of refugees being bombed somewhere in the Mediterranean. ... then you saw a lifeboat full of children with a helicopter hovering over it. there was a middle-aged woman might have been a jewess sitting up in the bow with a little boy about three years old in her arms. little boy screaming with fright and hiding his head between her breasts as if he was trying to burrow right into her and the woman putting her arms round him and comforting him although she was blue with fright herself, all the time covering him up as much as possible as if she thought her arms could keep the bullets off him. then the helicopter planted a 20 kilo bomb in among them terrific flash and the boat went all to matchwood. then there was a wonderful shot of a child’s arm going up up up right up into the air a helicopter with a camera in its nose must have followed it up...
Of course, what Orwell didn't suggest that there might be some ghastly overblown non-entity introducing this as a reality TV docusoap.
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Hopkins is an utterly vile being. She delights in saying things that a number of her readers agree with, but no politician would ever even consider saying (even Farage seems mild by comparison).
It is tempting to argue that she should simply be ignored, but when she is publishing her hate in a national chip paper, that is not a valid response. It needs to be responded to. I am just struggling to know in what way this actually justifies a proper response.
Should we be opening our arms to people escaping from all sorts of countries into Europe? Absolutely we should. Does the fact that our legendary hospitality is being taken for granted mean that we should close our doors? No. But we should put effort into finding those sick bastards who take peoples money, set then adrift in a leaking boat, knowing that half of them will probably die.
And when we find them, lock them in a room with Hopkins. And throw away the key. We are better off without any of them.
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Originally posted by Adeodatus:
She's said she'll leave the UK if Labour win the election. When she announced that, a popular social media site suddenly filled up with offers from people to buy her ticket for her.
Dear God, she'd probably see here* as an attractive option.
*My usual here. Not my current location nearly 17,000 kilometres elsewhere.
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It occurs to me that she has got herself into an appalling place, from where, even if she wants to, she cannot escape. She has adopted a persona which has taken over, and been enabled by the people who have given her airtime, and print space, and paid her for it.
I don't hold with the idea of possession, but I imagine this is what it would look like. You can't really call her to hell, because she is already there.
Goodness knows what her family life is like.
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The only hope I'm holding out is that Hopkins' swivel-eyed loon impersonation is one of the side-effects from her anticonvulsants.
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Originally posted by Penny S:
It occurs to me that she has got herself into an appalling place, from where, even if she wants to, she cannot escape. She has adopted a persona which has taken over, and been enabled by the people who have given her airtime, and print space, and paid her for it.
I don't hold with the idea of possession, but I imagine this is what it would look like. You can't really call her to hell, because she is already there.
Goodness knows what her family life is like.
That is exceptionally compassionate of you.
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Originally posted by Doc Tor:
The only hope I'm holding out is that Hopkins' swivel-eyed loon impersonation is one of the side-effects from her anticonvulsants.
Some people claim a link between epilepsy and Asperger's, but I think it's a tentative one. I saw her once say that there's something wrong with her brain, more like her soul.
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Originally posted by Doublethink.:
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Originally posted by Penny S:
It occurs to me that she has got herself into an appalling place, from where, even if she wants to, she cannot escape. She has adopted a persona which has taken over, and been enabled by the people who have given her airtime, and print space, and paid her for it.
I don't hold with the idea of possession, but I imagine this is what it would look like. You can't really call her to hell, because she is already there.
Goodness knows what her family life is like.
That is exceptionally compassionate of you.
I think it is, because she was an arrogant shit on the apprentice. She stood out rather less there, because it seems to be a precondition. Since then she has merely capitalised on that aspect of herself.
So I think her persona is entirely of her own making.
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Originally posted by orfeo:
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Originally posted by Adeodatus:
She's said she'll leave the UK if Labour win the election. When she announced that, a popular social media site suddenly filled up with offers from people to buy her ticket for her.
Dear God, she'd probably see here* as an attractive option.
*My usual here. Not my current location nearly 17,000 kilometres elsewhere.
It just occurred to me that she's said, in effect, that if we don't start being brutal and inhumane to migrants, she'll become one.
Now that would almost be worth a gunship!
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It is possible that she is somehow disabled cognitively, in which case, she needs help, but would probably deny that vehemently.
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It is possible that she is somehow disabled cognitively, in which case, she needs help, but would probably deny that vehemently.
I think she's just a perfectly-evolved capitalist. The persona is part of her business plan.
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quetzalcoatl
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Originally posted by Adeodatus:
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Originally posted by quetzalcoatl:
It is possible that she is somehow disabled cognitively, in which case, she needs help, but would probably deny that vehemently.
I think she's just a perfectly-evolved capitalist. The persona is part of her business plan.
Well, severe epilepsy bas been linked with some cognitive disorders, e.g. lack of empathy. I noticed the other day, she kept saying, I don't care, and it's possible that she can't. But yes, it fits some areas of capitalism.
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Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
Don't kid yourselves that Katie Hopkin's proposal isn't popular amongst Sun readers.
Then perhaps we need to get rid of Sun readers.
Maybe the gunships would be a bit extreme to meet that end. But, there must be some way of making people seen reading the Sun, or buying it at the newstand, some form of social pariah.
At least until the editorial policy in the Sun "newsroom" (if that word can be applied in relation to creations of works of fiction rather than reporting news) is changed.
The easy way would be to hit the bottom line. Even Murdoch would notice that. Organise a boycott of companies that place advertisements in the Sun. Let your local supermarket know that if you see the Sun on sale there you'll shop elsewhere, how long before Tescos realise that the small income from selling a newspaper isn't worth the loss of even a few dozen customers?
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Just one question, to myself as well as others: why are we all paying this absurd person the compliment of discussing her?
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quetzalcoatl
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Just one question, to myself as well as others: why are we all paying this absurd person the compliment of discussing her?
I think there is something disturbing in seeing such comments in a newspaper; some people are describing them as Nazi-like, which may be a bit strong. I find it ominous, coupled with UKIP type hate-fests.
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Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
Let your local supermarket know that if you see the Sun on sale there you'll shop elsewhere, how long before Tescos realise that the small income from selling a newspaper isn't worth the loss of even a few dozen customers?
Tesco and every other supermarket and a proportion of independent retailers and general stores. It wouldn't leave much in the way of outlets. How about signing the petition instead?
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Originally posted by Ariel:
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Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
Let your local supermarket know that if you see the Sun on sale there you'll shop elsewhere, how long before Tescos realise that the small income from selling a newspaper isn't worth the loss of even a few dozen customers?
Tesco and every other supermarket and a proportion of independent retailers and general stores. It wouldn't leave much in the way of outlets. How about signing the petition instead?
Surely it's an and not an or. ![[Biased]](wink.gif) I'm not sure that it would make that much difference. Almost no one in Liverpool buys The Sun due to their comments on Hillsbourgh. Years of back-pedding and the odd apology hasn't made much difference to that fact.
I think the problem is that Hopkins' celeb persona is that she says horrible, shocking things. And she justifies it / sells it on the basis that everyone secretly thinks many of those things, but they're too shy / polite to say them. Actually this is incorrect. Many people don't say them because they don't think them at all. Because they're horrible, bigoted and hateful.
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Picture the scene. On the Last Great Day, St Peter himself shows her through the gates of the Eternal City to her place in the Heavenly Choir. Too late, she notices that on her left is a homeless person, on her right is a migrant. Behind her is someone who had to live their life on welfare, and in front is someone who in their earthly life was morbidly obese.
It'll be hell!
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Response to Tubbs.
Enough people do think them, though. Combined with the number of people who enjoy the controversial even if they do not completely agree, and it is enough to sell that ink on loo paper rubbish.
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The young lady in front of me at the supermarket today bought three items:
1. A sandwich.
2. A copy of "The Sun".
3. A copy of the "Daily Mail".
Nice to know that she's picking up a wide range of carefully-considered opinions.
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She was arrogant and a pushy princess at school (Edgehill College, Bideford).
The irony is that there are lots of people who have been supporting Jeremy Clarkson who are now condemning Katie Hopkins for the same kind of shock tactics. You can't have it both ways, you know.
Perhaps it's something way more sinister. Have they been spotted together? No: i thought not. They are one and the same with prosthetic height adjusters to explain the difference in stature. After all, the mouth is the same ....
If KH has to go then so does JC and jolly good riddance to them both. At least there's only 2 of them unlike the trilogy of Ian Duncan Smith
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Originally posted by Baptist Trainfan:
The young lady in front of me at the supermarket today bought three items:
1. A sandwich.
2. A copy of "The Sun".
3. A copy of the "Daily Mail".
Nice to know that she's picking up a wide range of carefully-considered opinions.
I'm sure of the 3, the sandwich is the least intolerant and makes the most sense. ![[Cool]](cool.gif)
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Weren't you tempted, BT, to lean over and say to her 'you do know that sandwich was probably made by a migrant worker, don't you?'
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I never thought of it, more's the pity.
(And this was in W**tr*se, of all places!)
As it happens, I'm preaching on Immigration this Sunday (part of a series leading up to the Elections), so Katie Hopkins comments will get a mention - not, I hasten to add, with approval!
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The irony is that there are lots of people who have been supporting Jeremy Clarkson who are now condemning Katie Hopkins for the same kind of shock tactics. You can't have it both ways, you know.
You can if you say that he was 'only joking', a defence frequently employed by bigots and gobshites everywhere. ![[Mad]](angryfire.gif)
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Originally posted by Baptist Trainfan:
The young lady in front of me at the supermarket today bought three items:
1. A sandwich.
2. A copy of "The Sun".
3. A copy of the "Daily Mail".
Nice to know that she's picking up a wide range of carefully-considered opinions.
You never know, she may have been asked by someone else to get one (or even both) if she was going out. It's possible, but a bit unlikely, that she might want to read two daily papers in her lunch break.
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Originally posted by Albertus:
Just one question, to myself as well as others: why are we all paying this absurd person the compliment of discussing her?
Because her opinions have been published in a national newspaper. When this can be presented as a valid opinion, in a big-selling paper, something has to be said.
On principle, I would agree with ignoring her. Unfortunately, the ignoring attitude does not seem to work any more - there are always people who will agree, and so the disagreement with her needs to be expressed.
Is she worth it? Not really. I let one rip the other day, after meals of beans and sprouts, and it made a whole lot more convincing sense than Hopkins.
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some people are describing them as Nazi-like, which may be a bit strong.
I'm currently listening to the audio version of Richard Evans' The Third Reich in Power; in his chapter on the education system, he quotes primary school assignmnets where children use "vermin" quite a lot about Jews and Social Democrats.
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Je Suis Katie Hopkins, eh?
Where are all the people advocating for absolute freedom of speech this week? Funnily enough, all this episode shows is that people of goodwill are rather happier to allow stupid things to be said about Muslims than migrants dying in the Med.
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I support her right to free speech. I just think she talks utter crap, and these sort of inflammatory comments should not be given national press coverage.
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Originally posted by Schroedinger's cat:
I support her right to free speech. I just think she talks utter crap, and these sort of inflammatory comments should not be given national press coverage.
Free speech is one thing, but you can't ignore the consequences of what one says, and that's what proponents of free speech are too keen to do.
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Originally posted by Sipech:
If that's a maxim Katie Hopkins adheres to, then she can have no objection to us chasing her out of the country, forcing her to flee for her life, risk drowning, only for us to pull up a boat alongside, not to rescue but to open fire upon her .
Could be compelling television. One for Channel 5, perhaps?
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She's said she'll leave the UK if Labour win the election.
When I heard this, I wondered for a moment whether I should vote Socialist. Just for a moment, mind.
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Well, you can still vote Labour. It's still a long way from voting socialist.
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Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
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Originally posted by Schroedinger's cat:
I support her right to free speech. I just think she talks utter crap, and these sort of inflammatory comments should not be given national press coverage.
Free speech is one thing, but you can't ignore the consequences of what one says, and that's what proponents of free speech are too keen to do.
Free speech is a right we all have. But, like all rights, it's one that we are called to exercise responsibly.
She's free to spout the vile filth that gets published in the Sun, and the editors of the Sun are free to publish that. I'm free to call them irresponsible, stupid and uncaring for doing so.
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mr cheesy
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Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
Free speech is a right we all have. But, like all rights, it's one that we are called to exercise responsibly.
In the UK, technically, it is only something which can be done within the law. There is no absolute right to freedom of speech under English law.
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She's free to spout the vile filth that gets published in the Sun, and the editors of the Sun are free to publish that. I'm free to call them irresponsible, stupid and uncaring for doing so.
She may actually not have that as an absolute right. If she has overstepped the law in various directions, English law says that she can be prosecuted.
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mr cheesy
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And, of course, others need to be careful how they respond to her on social media.
Not saying that you'd be tempted to sledge her on facebook, Alan, but this just shows that this whole issue is more complicated that being 'for' free speech or 'against' hate speech.
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