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Boogie

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Hedgehog's wish is my command!

Let's talk about our aches and pains!

[Smile] [Biased] [Roll Eyes]

I have the arthur-itis and wake up with hands which don't move - so I rub glucosamine gel into them and some clever magic gets me moving again!

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Hard to see how this fits into Heaven. This sort of thing would naturally fit better in AS or Hell. What did you have in mind?

Thanks
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Boogie

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Sorry - just a chat really, not a moan or looking for sympathy. A bit of a matter of fact chat like one that was starting on the 'General Questions' thread.

Lots of us deal with daily or occasional pain in one way or another [Smile]

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Very true. Both the social side and the aches & pains could mean it's well suited to AS, so let me see if my fellow hosts agree and I'll get back to you.
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After a series of sprains and at least one fracture, my ankles aren't what they used to be....which is a pain in more ways than one.
I am currently recuperating from the latest sprain, and my ankle is very badly bruised. I wore pair of boots with a very slight heel today, and boy, did I know about it. Ouch.
It's no fun.

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no prophet's flag is set so...

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I get this ache while driving. It doesn't seem to matter what car it is. Always get an ache in my right buttock. Never the left. Is there an app for unevenness of buttocks or something?

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Your cocyx is playing up is my guess.

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no prophet's flag is set so...

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Probably it wants to win. The damn thing.

When I get together with my friends, we all talk about such things. And what pills we're taking.

[ 02. December 2015, 23:11: Message edited by: no prophet's flag is set so... ]

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quote:
Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
I get this ache while driving. It doesn't seem to matter what car it is. Always get an ache in my right buttock. Never the left. Is there an app for unevenness of buttocks or something?

I have heard of similar and it was because the person had wallet in back pocket on that side.

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The 1 - 10 scale is difficult, and far from objective. I'm afraid that my idea of pain is laughably worse than anyone else's. After some nasty surgery they asked me where I was on my own scale, so I told them they hadn't yet equalled my dentist at his most vicious, which seemed to satisfy them. When I told the dentist about it later, he laughed like a drain, proud of it. He's actually a very good dentist, and I am a lousy patient with lousy teeth. To be fair to the medics who I have encountered, I get the impression that they are not interested in an absolute scale, but rather on the individual's tolerance for pain.

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quote:
Originally posted by Lothlorien:
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Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
I get this ache while driving. It doesn't seem to matter what car it is. Always get an ache in my right buttock. Never the left. Is there an app for unevenness of buttocks or something?

I have heard of similar and it was because the person had wallet in back pocket on that side.
You might also try a different seat position that changes the angle your foot moves through on the pedals. Stretching it too far can make some muscles do odd things that they don't normally do, and changing the angle can fix that. (Disclaimer: It worked for me, but I don't offer my body as a good example of anything).

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This is a very interesting discussion and I'm going to transplant it to All Saints where I think it will get even more participation from those of us who suffer from aches and pains. Those who support folks in pain will no doubt find a lot of help here too!

Hold on to your pain pills and bandages!

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Lothlorien
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Despite hobbling downhill, the discussion made it. Thanks jedijudy.

As someone with arthritis and psoriasis, probably related, I will be interested in reading this thread.

Please remember All Saints is for supporting each other. Please also remember that the Ship is not for medical opinions and suggestions.

Other discussion will be welcomed.

Lothlorien, All Saints Host

[ 03. December 2015, 02:08: Message edited by: Lothlorien ]

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My knees are the major problem - too much High Impact Aerobics back in the days when I was fit left them a bit battered and they have deteriorated over the years - happily when it was getting to my definition of crisis time with them a new Ayurvedic [Indian traditional medicine] product came on the market which really is superb, for me at any rate, and I have been taking it for years now. Once, a few years ago, I tried to reduce the dosage and within just a few weeks my body told me that this was not a particularly good idea.

Recently my lower back has started playing up a bit but not too bad yet.

I've also found a regular massage very helpful, although I haven't done it for ages now and I really ought to start again.

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I'm in - what I hope - is temporary ache and pain world. I have a cyst in my sinus - left one by my nose. My septum is also deviated and I'm down for surgery in 11 days time. I am counting.

I went for acupuncture yesterday to see if she could alleviate the pain - I feel as if I am on a plane the whole time with ears about to pop. It's worse today. I just think the cyst is growing but that's speculative. Else I have an ear-infection. Which I may get ruled out or not. I hate antibiotics so would be loathed to take them at this stage.

The whole caboodle is making me gloriously glum. I have had to cancel my holiday as it would be impossible to fly with a smashed up face. I thought - hey - at least i get to go to the xmas party and I scheduled accordingly. But, now I am so uncomfortable and feeling miserable and alcohol really aggravates it that I'm wondering about the wisdom of going.

At the same time, I'm gloriously grateful for not having caught a cold with this. After surgery I won't be able to blow my nose for a fortnight. Most people in the office - just 6 of us - have been full of germs and I've avoided that. I think that was due to acupuncture.

Please god tho - let this be sorted soon. Pain is so debilitating.

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Boogie

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quote:
Originally posted by Lothlorien:

As someone with arthritis and psoriasis, probably related, I will be interested in reading this thread.

I have both too. I applied to be part of a major new treatment trial (some sort of gene therapy) but my psoriasis was calm at the time so I wasn't deemed bad enough. I'm relieved really as it would have meant a long journey twice a week - which may have just been for the placebo!

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Lothlorien
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Down here it is a visit to GP armed with facts and figures to show there could be a link for me as for many others. Then a request for referral to rheumatologist and then a wait of probably months for appointment.

ETA: Mine is not too bad at the moment but it has shifter to the front of my shins and is unpleasant. Still, other more usual spots are reasonable. I find changing seasons provokes a rise. The very worst place is in my ears as I also wear hearing aids.

[ 03. December 2015, 09:26: Message edited by: Lothlorien ]

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Firenze

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As the years roll on I am coming ever more to my late MiL's opinion that a Good Day is one on which nothing hurts too much.

Every couple of weeks I go to a masseuse who struggles to undo decades of postural calamity. But that is not in itself sufficient, so my ever-lengthening morning routine (shower, dress, pills, hearing aid, topical creams) now includes stretches and strengthening exercises.

At least I can do that much about the aches, but the skin less so. Steroid creme plus regular application of the kind of stuff normally smeared on axles, and disposable vinyl gloves for everything. Plus plasters and zinc tape for the raw bits.

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I feel like an idiot for not realizing that pain is the normal fate of people not dead by [you fill in the blank]. Nobody warns you--or me, at least!

Not that I've been pain free for long since my 20s--but I thought I was the oddball. A connective tissue problem here--Ehlers Danlos hypermobility type.

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Ehlers Danlos here, too. The aches seem to come and go - if I've got anything wrong with me; a bit of a sniffle, a sore throat, the joint pains seem to piggy back along just to join the party.
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I too have many postural pangs -- hunching for hours over a hot keyboard or knitting needles will do that. I have found that my chiropractor is the first resort. Only then do we move onto drugs and surgery, the last resort.

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quote:
Originally posted by Lamb Chopped:
I feel like an idiot for not realizing that pain is the normal fate of people not dead by [you fill in the blank]. Nobody warns you--or me, at least!

Not that I've been pain free for long since my 20s--but I thought I was the oddball. A connective tissue problem here--Ehlers Danlos hypermobility type.

A friend of ours (she was at school with Eldest Son) has Ehlers-Danlos. She is in her early thirties, has three kids and her husband is in the Navy, so he's typically ashore for a week in three. Apart from being knackered at times her #1 problem is persuading schools that it is actually important for the children to see Daddy, and emphasising to headteachers who are only interested in their school's attendance rating that the Navy alone decides when he gets time ashore, which can be anywhere from the Caribbean to Dubai. Nice, but not like home.

She's a textbook example of getting on with it and we just hope she can continue.

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Lamb Chopped
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That definitely sucks (I'm on our district's shit list at the moment for having allowed our son to visit distant family during the school year, oh noes.).

The invisible disability thing also sucks--quite a few people get judgemental on my ass because I can't do all the things they think I should be able to do. Obviously it's because I'm out of shape!

... and then I stupidly push myself beyond my limits and pay the price for days.

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quote:
Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
I too have many postural pangs -- hunching for hours over a hot keyboard or knitting needles will do that.

There's not nearly enough effort and resource going into knitting-related medicine.
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I just HAD to google that!

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I have Ehlers Danlos symptoms too - haven't bothered pursuing a diagnosis, because not sure what good it would do. It seems to be one of the many things that often goes together with being on the autism spectrum, and I don't see the point of multiple diagnoses. But for me, fatigue is the worst aspect about it, and the autonomic nervous system stuff - that is worse than the joint pains. I like my 'soft velvety' skin though - it is soothing to touch. And I like being good at the stretchy exercises in yoga. [Smile]
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quote:
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The invisible disability thing also sucks--quite a few people get judgemental on my ass because I can't do all the things they think I should be able to do.

This isn't about pain, but I can't resist the opportunity to speak up.

Invisible disability is a huge problem. I have nerve damage in my feet, and the worst result is that I have very limited control over where I put them. I won't try to walk through a narrow space because the chances are I will collide with something on either side. People who don't know me get very impatient.

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Invisible disability is a huge problem. I have nerve damage in my feet, and the worst result is that I have very limited control over where I put them. I won't try to walk through a narrow space because the chances are I will collide with something on either side. People who don't know me get very impatient.

Invisible disability also means getting dirty looks on the bus if you use a disability bus pass and you're clearly mobile - especially when you've just run for the bus! I noticed a negative change in the way people on the bus looked at me when I got such a bus pass. I also noticed one time when I sprained my ankle and was visibly limping, I didn't get those dirty looks when I used my bus pass, despite the fact that my bus pass has nothing to do with that random sprained ankle!

Interesting conversation on the bus one time when someone on crutches got onto the bus. The women sitting next to me said in a stern voice 'You'll have to get up so that woman can sit down.' There were plenty of free seats that people had just put their bags onto, and I wasn't even in a disabled seat. I said 'I'm afraid I have a disability which affects my vestibular system and I get really dizzy if I stand up on the bus'. She immediately was very apologetic and also said defensively that she couldn't get up either as she had an artificial hip. Then the person sitting behind us simply moved their bag so the person on crutches could sit there - so there was no problem. And the woman sitting next to me then said 'I'm so sorry - I thought you were one of those French people who just sit there and never move.' No idea what that meant - why she thought French people just sit there or why I looked French! Possibly because I was wearing sunglasses - which was to reduce visual sensory overload, but maybe she thought they were a fashion statement!

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When I was 10 my mother was told that I would have arthritis "at some point" because of my nastily mobile joints. Well, the point arrived a couple of years ago, but to be honest, I've had pain in my joints all my life and the arthritis hasn't added much except a nasty crunching noise if I do something injudicious. The orthopod isn't too bothered, so neither am I.

What bothers me more is the lymphedema, which I gather is worse because of all the (multiple surgical) trauma to my knees and ankles. What I hate is the variability - some days, none, other days my ankles look like badly cooked bread. Hot days make it worse, but apart from that I can't tell what brings it on.

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As we enter winter, I shudder. I have Raynaud's syndrome in which, basically, the blood flow to my fingertips and toes becomes constricted in cold weather. That, in itself, is not too painful. More of a numb thing, and my fingernails turn a pretty shade of purple. I wear an amethyst ring and it is kind of neat to see how close my nails can come to matching the ring. The trouble is when I come back inside to a warm house and the blood flow returns. That hurts like the dickens until the blood flow normalizes.

As one of the healthier people on my block, in the winter I tend to shovel snow for my neighbors, but I know I will pay dearly for it when I get back inside. They don't know this, of course. God willing, they never will.

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Would these help ?

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I have that syndrome too and gloves don't help much - instead i have some little plastic squares which, when you break/snap them, become hot - can't rermember what they're cvalled but nthey are very effective.

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Those gloves, in addition to a bettery operated heating circuit, have a pouch to put those in leo.

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quote:
Originally posted by Doublethink.:
Those gloves, in addition to a bettery operated heating circuit, have a pouch to put those in leo.

That's a wonderful typo, Doublethink. Two words replaced by one. [Biased]

I have also seen pocket handwarmers which have some form of repeatable chemical reaction in their makeup.


Loth, prone to typos of her own.

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Re invisible disabilities:

I have 'em, too. And it's particularly infuriating when people who are *supposed* to understand and help totally ignore the whole thing. Even people who are disabled themselves. Even when presented with official proof.
[Mad]

However, these sites can be helpful, both for us and for people who need to be educated.

InvisibleDisabilities.org

ButYouDontLookSick.com
Here, pay special attention to "Spoon Theory", at the far right of the top nav bar.

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BTW, the front page of BYDLS (above) currently has an article on the pain scale.

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I will plead guilty as an early user of a pain scale with silly faces. It is for children who are not yet able to read or count. Yes the study was of pain in children.

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Warming hand cream from Korea (cheap international shipping).

You can also get a cooling minty one for summer with SPF.

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SusanDoris

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quote:
Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
Probably it wants to win. The damn thing.

When I get together with my friends, we all talk about such things. And what pills we're taking.

Well, of course!! [Smile] It is the staple of conversation and my older son was saying recently that even his contemporaries are finding that this subject is occurring more often, and of course they all have parents of my sort of age!]

Anyway, I'm settling in to follow this thread. I am very lucky that I do not have arthritis, but my ancient, worn out left hip means that every time I get up after being seated, I have to be very careful trying to move forward. The physio's exercises have helped a lot but I don't know if I'll ever get my *spring* and *bounce* back in tap!

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SusanDoris

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quote:
Originally posted by Firenze:
There's not nearly enough effort and resource going into knitting-related medicine.

[Smile] [Smile] I must tell that to my knittter granddaughter!

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Actually, I knit to keep fingers working but one hand is not co-operating well just now. I cannot flatten fingers, they remain curved.

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SusanDoris

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quote:
Originally posted by Lothlorien:
Actually, I knit to keep fingers working but one hand is not co-operating well just now. I cannot flatten fingers, they remain curved.

That must be really grim at times. I have one friend who had to give up knitting because of the arthritis.

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Boogie

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quote:
Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:

When I get together with my friends, we all talk about such things. And what pills we're taking.

When Mr Boogs and I got together we never dreamed that we'd sit here, 40 years later, comparing arthritis bumps on our hands!

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ThunderBunk

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No-one told me that eczema could get worse in middle age! I feel cheated and demand a refund. Having hot, itchy knees does nothing to help sleep either....

Someone needs to have a word with the manufacturer about the concept of extended warranties.

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Firenze

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I have come to accept that doing The Exercises every morning helps prevent/alleviate the pain in my neck. And that I should extend them to help woth the sore arms, stiff shoulders etc. It's just riding the interval of increased pain whenyou introduce a new stretch.
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Golden Key
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Re knitting/crochet and arthritis:

Hope this will help someone. I heard a while back about a woman who was told she'd have to give up knitting/crochet, due to severe pain--but found some stretches and approaches that now allow her to knit/crochet 8-15 hrs./day. (That's from the Lion Brand Yarn site blog.)

I found some other things. To save the H/As tearing out their hair, I'll just put the search terms, rather than links, and you can plug them into your search engine.

"arthritis knitting exercises"
"arthritis knitting aids"

There's an intriguing gadget called the Knitting Aid. It should be near the top of the 2nd search.

YMMV.

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Boogie

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quote:
Originally posted by Firenze:
I have come to accept that doing The Exercises every morning helps prevent/alleviate the pain in my neck. And that I should extend them to help woth the sore arms, stiff shoulders etc. It's just riding the interval of increased pain whenyou introduce a new stretch.

Oh yes.

As with knees - exercise is the best thing - walk through the pain!

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jacobsen

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@ SusanDoris - If your hip is really bad, a replacement could be the answer. Both of mine went really well, and apart from being able to walk more than a couple of hundred yards again, it's so good to be out of pain.

So it's a pity I managed to prang my car and break an ankle. But the walking boot is off now, and the new car awaits...

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Nenya
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quote:
Originally posted by Firenze:
I have come to accept that doing The Exercises every morning helps prevent/alleviate the pain in my neck.

Is there a link to The Exercises, please? Sorry if I've missed it.

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I assumed 'The Exercises' just referred to whatever exercises your physio has given you. I have exercises too, to help my shoulder and neck, and it does help if I do them regularly. I daftly stopped doing them after my physio sessions had ended, thinking my neck and shoulder were now fixed, but then the pain came back again, so I realised I probably need to do them always!
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