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The Phantom Flan Flinger
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Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
Am I missing something about UK culture? An actual creative person, one of your own dies, it's not okay that your media attends to same? Was the attention to Diana your princess as awful for you?
At least one of them made a significant and lasting contribution to our society ![[Two face]](graemlins/scot_twoface.gif)
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Originally posted by The Phantom Flan Flinger:
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Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
Am I missing something about UK culture? An actual creative person, one of your own dies, it's not okay that your media attends to same? Was the attention to Diana your princess as awful for you?
At least one of them made a significant and lasting contribution to our society
be fair, the other one wrote Space Oddity
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I never understood the attraction of Bowie's music - didn't do anything for me. His death is a sad event, but I don't think he made a significant contribution to music. He was just another pop singer.
Or just another bacon sandwich.
Does it ever occur to you that your experience is perhaps not the yardstick of all the fun and glory in the world?
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I never understood the attraction of Bowie's music - didn't do anything for me. His death is a sad event, but I don't think he made a significant contribution to music. He was just another pop singer.
Oh come on now, he was most certainly NOT 'just another pop singer'. The man was an artist, a visionary, and his music was ground-breaking. I'm not even a fan, let alone a hardcore fan, but I did know he was a genius (plus, that beautiful voice) and his death has now got me seriously interested in his music. I've been listening to the Blackstar album, his requiem, and it's astounding.
I am one who found the coverage of Diana's death excessive ... I was moved by it, but the UK news coverage didn't cover ANYTHING ELSE at all that day.
I don't get affected by celebrity deaths, and I'm not in bits at Bowie's, but I do recognise that the man was a great artist whose musical influence was far-reaching.
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I hope mr cheesy manages to avoid buying a UK paper today. It's even front-page news in the Financial Times.
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I'm someone who has respected him but never tried to listen to his music. I saw him at the Freddie Mercury Tribute Concert and he gave a very good performance. Anyone who could sing with Freddie or was respected by Freddie has got to be respected.
I heard his singing of part of "Comfortably Numb" with David Gilmour and it was ace, miles better than that twat Waters.
I preferred the music of Lemmy much more, someone else iconic whose status went beyond that of his genre (though Bowie had more genres). Sometimes someone dies who is an esssential part of music and culture itself.
Here in Poland people are mourning his death as well.
I've started, quite belatedly, to check out Bowie's music. "Life on Mars" is very nice. It's noteworthy that many have said things like "I wasn't into his music, but it's sad he's gone". That says something.
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Firenze
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OTOH, it's dropped off the BBC web pages - and presumably Broadcast news. So maybe if he just stays glued to the TV and radio and runs past any newsagents with his coat over his head, he can make it through?
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You have to have some sort of admiration for someone who can write Lazarus
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Look up here, I’m in heaven
I’ve got scars that can’t be seen
I’ve got drama, can’t be stolen
Everybody knows me now
take part in the related video, and then arrange to die right after their birthday and the album release.
Chilling stuff.
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Originally posted by betjemaniac:
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Originally posted by The Phantom Flan Flinger:
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Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
Am I missing something about UK culture? An actual creative person, one of your own dies, it's not okay that your media attends to same? Was the attention to Diana your princess as awful for you?
At least one of them made a significant and lasting contribution to our society
be fair, the other one wrote Space Oddity
Diana wrote Space Oddity? I never knew that
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There is a very good CD by Brazilian singer Seu Jorge, doing acoustic Bowie covers with lyrics in Portuguese. Bowie himself said he liked it.
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You have to have some sort of admiration for someone who can write Lazarus
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Look up here, I’m in heaven
I’ve got scars that can’t be seen
I’ve got drama, can’t be stolen
Everybody knows me now
take part in the related video, and then arrange to die right after their birthday and the album release.
Chilling stuff.
Reminds me of how Freddie organised the manner to which his death became public both via press releases and through the video to "These are the days of our lives".
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Originally posted by Bibaculus:
let us be honest, its not like he has the cultural significance of, say, Nigel Blackwell from Half Man Half Biscuit.
Some of us would argue that they were on a par. Mind, it's good to find another HMHB fan!
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I bet Justin Welby's got nothing but total respect for Annie Lennox.
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Originally posted by Firenze:
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Originally posted by bib:
I never understood the attraction of Bowie's music - didn't do anything for me. His death is a sad event, but I don't think he made a significant contribution to music. He was just another pop singer.
Or just another bacon sandwich.
Does it ever occur to you that your experience is perhaps not the yardstick of all the fun and glory in the world?
I would say most people use their preferences as the yardstick of what is good and important.
Lack of knowledge has never been an impediment to forming an opinion.
And I do not say this as a massive fan of Bowie.
Or as someone who has never do so themselves.
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These things are subjective. I see him as a major artist, comparable with Wordsworth or Blake, but if someone else sees him as a mediocre pop singer, I'm not going to fight a duel over it. There is no objective measure, after all.
I just remembered 'The Man Who Sold the World', and burst into tears. Damn, damn, damn, why has he gone?
Some are saying that there are 3 giants in popular music, Elvis, Sinatra, and Bowie, but we can always add more, e.g. Dylan.
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The Phantom Flan Flinger
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These things are subjective. I see him as a major artist, comparable with Wordsworth or Blake, but if someone else sees him as a mediocre pop singer, I'm not going to fight a duel over it. There is no objective measure, after all.
I just remembered 'The Man Who Sold the World', and burst into tears. Damn, damn, damn, why has he gone?
Some are saying that there are 3 giants in popular music, Elvis, Sinatra, and Bowie, but we can always add more, e.g. Dylan.
And Lennon.
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Originally posted by The Phantom Flan Flinger:
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Originally posted by quetzalcoatl:
These things are subjective. I see him as a major artist, comparable with Wordsworth or Blake, but if someone else sees him as a mediocre pop singer, I'm not going to fight a duel over it. There is no objective measure, after all.
I just remembered 'The Man Who Sold the World', and burst into tears. Damn, damn, damn, why has he gone?
Some are saying that there are 3 giants in popular music, Elvis, Sinatra, and Bowie, but we can always add more, e.g. Dylan.
And Lennon.
and Woolly Wolstenholme (IMO obviously)
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My guess is that sadness in such cases (and I feel it) where one never interacted with the deceased, is an ego thing. Something from which we once derived identity, is dead. We are rudely aware that now if we have to explain it to someone, we're stuck in the 'but you should have heard him' speak of the really old, who we derided when Bowie (or whoever) was 'it'.
Richard Thompson's 'Al Bowlley's in heaven' is a kind of take on this, if you haven't heard it.
Anything which makes me feel like my Dad is a surefire cause of the profound blues.
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Actually, a good measure of how great a person is is that they have not really made it until on their death someone complains that the hype is overblown.
If the world is concordant then it is only the fans who are listening and writing; it is the discord that says he has reached a wider audience.
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Originally posted by mr cheesy:
Who said anything about watching anything? I was talking about the flagship radio morning news programme. 3 hours of news from 6 to 9 am.
The internet's full of it as well. Unlike Diana, it should only be 24 hours of saturation coverage, then back to normal.
TBH, I thought the whole Diana thing was completely over-done.
Bowie helped make growing up in Sarf London cool and gave it a soundtrack that few others could top.
I can't think of a single band that I like that hasn't cited him as a musical influence. Man was a blooming musical genius.
Hell, he even made bad Anthony Newley style records sound good and rocked a mullet. ![[Overused]](graemlins/notworthy.gif)
We're unlikely to see his like again and the world is a little poorer today.
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I'm fine with people not liking stuff. It's the 'I don't see the point/value, so obviously it can't have any' miserabilism I can't be doing with.
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Originally posted by Firenze:
I'm fine with people not liking stuff. It's the 'I don't see the point/value, so obviously it can't have any' miserabilism I can't be doing with.
Woo - musical atheism! It sucks just as much as theological atheism, but with even less harmony.
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Originally posted by betjemaniac:
]and Woolly Wolstenholme (IMO obviously)
I don't know which is causing me more consternation, the fact that someone thinks BJH is on the level of David Bowie or the fact that I caught the reference...
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I've no objection to a good BBC tribute to an iconic figure of the 20th Century, but they don't half over do it. They really do adore a good celebrity death.
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Didn't watch any BBC yesterday.
This though is a rare thread whereby I've found myself nodding to much of lilBuddha's posting. I can only imagine that means I have been moved by the death of David Bowie.
It's often said Freddy stole the night at Live Aid. As I recall it Bowie who came on first and sung 'Heroes'. Combine that with the sultry Summer's evening and the show was ready to be stolen.
Also, when helping my brother with small party discos in late 70s, where young and old were often reluctant to let go and take to the dance floor, he found Bowie's Gene Genie rarely failed
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Originally posted by Erroneous Monk:
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Originally posted by Sandemaniac:
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Originally posted by Bibaculus:
let us be honest, its not like he has the cultural significance of, say, Nigel Blackwell from Half Man Half Biscuit.
Some of us would argue that they were on a par. Mind, it's good to find another HMHB fan!
AG
I bet Justin Welby's got nothing but total respect for Annie Lennox.
And the Joy of Sex video? LMFAO! Thank you EM for a real belly laugh.
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They really do adore a good celebrity death.
This is the first coverage criticism that I fully understand, regardless of one’s personal taste. There is sometimes an almost vulture-like quality to newscasters when they FINALLY get a good, interesting story full of bathos and tragedy. It’s like the weathermen who always seem the most excited when they are covering hurricanes, tornados, and the like.
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For me the tipping point into navel-gazing is when the media start reporting on the media response to an event, which the BBC were admittedly (and alas unsurprisingly) guilty of.
It's all a long way from the likes of Brian Perkins and the gravitas of the World Service's "This Is London".
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Whether or not somebody is a good singer or songwriter is definitely a matter of taste. Whether not someone has had an affect on a lot of other artists is not subjective. You ask the other artists, "Did this person have an influence on your art?" If millions of artists say that he did, then the idea that his influence was not far-reaching is knocked into a cocked hat.
In short, quality can be debated because there is no way of arriving at an objective measure of quality. The reach of someone's influence is pretty easy to measure.
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There's also a lot of wonder at a man who lived a life with a lot of breadth. And the stories are genuinely amusing. Like the one coming out now about how he maintained his anonymity taking cabs and the subway in New York by simply always going around with a Greek language paper.
The sheer volume of people who interacted with his work and life is something to behold. In a couple of days, the latest issue will take hold and all this will be blown away. In the meantime, the stages of grief are being served. Let people mourn a loss.
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Originally posted by Eutychus:
For me the tipping point into navel-gazing is when the media start reporting on the media response to an event, which the BBC were admittedly (and alas unsurprisingly) guilty of.
This is standard behaviour in an age where "journalism" has largely become the ability to regurgitate other people's words. Sometimes what's being regurgitated is other people's press releases or press conferences, but for larger events it shifts to regurgitating other people's Facebook, Twitter and the like.
Why come up with your own thoughts when you can fulfil your requirements by repeating someone else's?
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He sang for us all at the bleeding edge: We're absolute beginners.
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I think there is a five free articles per month limit on Slate, or something like that.
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Forty years ago I recoiled from him, post-Major Tom.
But at the depth of my cultic alienation he spoke to me IN that. Re-enforcing it, yet ... with Five Years, a perfect Millennialist anthem.
He subverted me. God bless him.
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I think there is a five free articles per month limit on Slate, or something like that.
If there is, it's news to me, especially given that I read about that many every day without paying.
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Slate has a set of premium articles you have to pay for called slate plus. The regular ones are free.
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We're now getting wall to wall coverage of Terry Wogan. If I hear that Janet & John story one more time I'll take a sledgehammer to the radio.
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We're now getting wall to wall coverage of Terry Wogan. If I hear that Janet & John story one more time I'll take a sledgehammer to the radio.
Lighten up, take a chill pill, learn from Sir Terry - stop taking life so seriously.
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What Janet & John story ?
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What Janet & John story ?
Every week Terry did a spoof of a Janet and John story, lots of hints at double meanings.
Here is one from March '09
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Originally posted by Boogie:
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Originally posted by Doublethink.:
What Janet & John story ?
Every week Terry did a spoof of a Janet and John story, lots of hints at double meanings.
Here is one from March '09
Absolutely fucking hilarious ![[Snore]](graemlins/snore.gif)
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On the Metro Scale of Bereavement it's 5pp in this morning's paper. Not as much as David Bowie but more than Alan Rickman, who only got 4. Frank Finlay just got one smallish article on a corner of one of Wogan's pages.
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Originally posted by Doublethink.:
What Janet & John story ?
Janet and John
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Even Thought for the Day on Radio 4 this morning was about St Terry.
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I was quite taken aback when D. phoned his mum on Sunday at about 5 o'clock UK time, and she said that Songs of Praise had been broadcast earlier because the rest of the day's schedule was being devoted to a tribute to Sir Terry.
National treasure, fair enough, but it did seem a tad excessive.
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I fear that D. was misinformed. When I looked up Songs of Praise on the BBC website on Sunday afternoon (and discovered that I'd missed it!) I found that it was early because they were broadcasting a live football match: MK Dons vs. Chelsea in the FA Cup, to be precise.
Now there were a couple of short programmes scheduled between SoP ending and the footie starting, so they may have replaced one or both of them with a tribute to Terry - I don't know. But most of the afternoon was definitely devoted to football (I saw a bit of it myself), and the rest of the day followed as scheduled with News, "Country File", "Call the Midwife" and the next episode of "War and Peace", all of which I watched!
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My apologies: maybe one (or both) of us got the wrong end of the stick.
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I can't find the Top Gear thread, but anyway, stroke of genius to pick LeBlanc for this. He will bring in viewers.
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