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quote:
Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
And, as I said earlier there are other news channels. You don't have to watch the BBC News all day.

Who said anything about watching anything? I was talking about the flagship radio morning news programme. 3 hours of news from 6 to 9 am.

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Personally, most of my BBC News comes from the website. Where I pick what to read instead of following what an editor thinks would be the best way to fill the slot between 6 and 6.30.
If you can't relate your comment to what I've actually written, don't be surprised if I can't respond to you.

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Originally posted by RuthW:
His last album dropped on Friday. And it's fucking brilliant. The one before that came out in 2013.

Too be clear, I meant if he had stopped, he would still be relevant for his influence.
I went to iTunes for a quick listen and saw the promo pic for Panic at the Disco!s new release. Brendon Urie looks like Jimmy Carr's love child in that.

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Originally posted by mr cheesy:
Who said anything about watching anything? I was talking about the flagship radio morning news programme. 3 hours of news from 6 to 9 am.

The internet's full of it as well. Unlike Diana, it should only be 24 hours of saturation coverage, then back to normal.
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Watched the BBC 6 o'clock news, a very handsome tribute to Bowie, which recognized that he was a great artist, not just a 'pop singer', and probably influenced many areas of culture. Oh damn, why has he gone?

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I was never a big fan. Sad to see him go though.

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quote:
Originally posted by mr cheesy:
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Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
And, as I said earlier there are other news channels. You don't have to watch the BBC News all day.

Who said anything about watching anything? I was talking about the flagship radio morning news programme. 3 hours of news from 6 to 9 am.
TV, radio ... what's the difference? Three hours of news from 6am to 9am - BBC Breakfast or R4, more or less the same. Both have some editor who makes decisions about what stories to broadcast, and how much time to give them. And, you're still whinging that the decision wasn't what you wanted to listen to. The maxim "you can please some of the people all of the time, or all of the people some of the time" holds true. This morning you were not part of the audience that was pleased. That's life, live with it. If it happens sufficiently often then maybe you need to find another radio station in the morning that hits the mark for you more often.

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Originally posted by Bibaculus:
let us be honest, its not like he has the cultural significance of, say, Nigel Blackwell from Half Man Half Biscuit.

Some of us would argue that they were on a par. Mind, it's good to find another HMHB fan!

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Originally posted by Ariel:
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Originally posted by mr cheesy:
Who said anything about watching anything? I was talking about the flagship radio morning news programme. 3 hours of news from 6 to 9 am.

The internet's full of it as well. Unlike Diana, it should only be 24 hours of saturation coverage, then back to normal.
Oh golly, you don't want me to compare David Bowie to Diana. Really. You don't.

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It's amusing to see cheesy try to pip people for "comprehension", and blathers on about how he doesn't mind people grieving - rather just the amount of attention it is getting such that it intrudes on other "important" things.

The idiot can't comprehend that Bowie's passing truly is important for a society of humans. We're paying attention to it because of our humanity, and the fundamental importance of such.

Again: go fuck yourself, cheesy, you protozoan-souled crust of smegma.

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The whole point of the Today programme on Radio 4 is that most people don't hear much of it. They have half an hour to an hour running in the background as they get up and leave for work. Their listening is interrupted by showering / washing, shaving, making and eating breakfast. That's why the main stories are repeated and presented in a variety of ways so that most people pick up the news in passing as they catch snatches of stories. It's not designed to be listened to for the full three hours of broadcast.

I heard the chunk from 6am to 7am and yes, Bowie was covered, but so was a range of other stuff, including the Anglican Communion and the interview with Archbishop Justin Welby, a big chunk on business news, the weather forecast, sport and football and the relief of Madaya from what I remember off the top of my head.

Bowie was amazing and influential and has been for 40 to 50 years. His death, particularly two days after releasing another critically well reviewed album, is news. The king of image has stage managed his own death and, as someone in the coverage said, demonstrated how to die well.

But tomorrow it will be yesterday's papers telling yesterday's news. And his songs will still be so iconic that an astronaut singing Space Oddity from the ISS can get nearly 30 million hits on Youtube.

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Originally posted by Bibaculus:
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Originally posted by Eutychus:
[QUOTE]No. That way they can be criticised for being totally out of touch with contemporary culture [Roll Eyes]

Does the 1970s count as 'contemporary?
I'm in my early 50's but listen to alternative music radio stations an on Spotify.

Listening through his songs from the 70's, many of them if released now would be considered part of today's alternative scene.

His influence on today's non-pop non-classical music is way bigger then any other artist. For that alone, he's worth commenting on by people who lived in the last 50 years.

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I was never into his music, but he was a phenomenon when I was growing up.

mr. cheesy, just wait. Some celeb you like will eventually die. Then you'll want to know about it.

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Originally posted by Og: Thread Killer:

His influence on today's non-pop non-classical music is way bigger then any other artist. For that alone, he's worth commenting on by people who lived in the last 50 years.

I don't think the caveats are necessary. Two Philip Glass symphonies (1 and 4) are based on Bowie albums; in his work with Fripp and Eno, he helped influence the course of electronic music, both popular and classical; and, given his influence on glam rock/prog rock which later trickled down into metal/alternative/everything else, I'd say it's pretty hard to deny his influence on pop. He seems like something of a Frank Zappa figure—an experimenter who could never be pigeonholed into one particular kind of music, and influenced many.

So yes. It makes complete sense to note the passing of someone who's had a profound influence on Western art and culture over the last 40 years.

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Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
Am I missing something about UK culture? An actual creative person, one of your own dies, it's not okay that your media attends to same? Was the attention to Diana your princess as awful for you?

The "Diana's Death Got Too Much Coverage" crowd is just as self-righteous as this lot of po-faced people too fuckwitted to know how to change the channel.

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Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
Your complaint appears to be that the BBC editors don't phone you every morning to get your views on what stories to report.

Exactly. As Lucy said to Linus who went outside to get away from her and was gazing at the sky, "I don't want to look at those stars. I want to look at *MY* stars."

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Originally posted by mr cheesy:
Who said anything about watching anything? I was talking about the flagship radio morning news programme. 3 hours of news from 6 to 9 am.

I never knew. I apologize. I thought everybody had a radio that was capable of picking up more than one frequency.

[ 12. January 2016, 00:48: Message edited by: mousethief ]

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Originally posted by Eutychus:
And I'm not a massive Bowie fan.

But he was incontrovertibly a genuine and original artist. In a world of endless forwards, likes and retweets, there are too few of them around.

This.

I've been slowly exploring his albums over the last couple of years, and frankly I find them uneven. My impression is that, for my tastes at least, he was a better singles artist than albums artist.

But time and again in histories of rock music, David Bowie crops up as an incredibly important figure. He was at the forefront of some major trends, and the whole notion of reinventing yourself and your persona for different musical projects, of being a performer as much as a musician, is something that Bowie can take much of the credit for.

There was an exhibition on Bowie in Melbourne last year, which my parents went to. Now my mother could probably name a couple of Bowie songs, my father probably couldn't manage any, but they came away seriously impressed.

We're talking about a man who was a legend in one of the most popular fields of artistic endeavour in the world. So yeah, he deserves a fair bit of coverage.

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I never understood the attraction of Bowie's music - didn't do anything for me. His death is a sad event, but I don't think he made a significant contribution to music. He was just another pop singer.

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orfeo: There was an exhibition on Bowie in Melbourne last year, which my parents went to.
I think the same exhibition is in the Netherlands right now. A big deal is made of the exhibition opening yesterday (when it would normally close on a Monday) to let mourners in.

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As a profoundly hard-of-hearing person who stopped trying to understand music about 1963 or so, I fear David Bowie passed me by. Not being completely ignorant, his name niggled at me until I googled him. I note that he was a near contemporary. 69 is fairly young to die, and I tend to mourn anyone who dies before his time of cancer. Too bad.

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Originally posted by mr cheesy:

FWIW, I can understand the shock, but I think this totally over-saturated "news" coverage (when there isn't actually anything much to say beyond what the family have said on social media) is pretty pathetic. Shame on the BBC.

Are you talking about Bowie or the pending breakup of the Anglican communion?
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Originally posted by bib:
I never understood the attraction of Bowie's music - didn't do anything for me. His death is a sad event, but I don't think he made a significant contribution to music. He was just another pop singer.

The music of Liszt doesn't do much for me and I don't really understand why some people are so strongly attracted to it. I don't therefore go on to conclude that he didn't make a significant contribution to music, given that his ideas about "program music" and the symphonic poem pretty much shaped classical music for two generations afterwards.

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Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
Am I missing something about UK culture? An actual creative person, one of your own dies, it's not okay that your media attends to same? Was the attention to Diana your princess as awful for you?

At least one of them made a significant and lasting contribution to our society [Two face]

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Originally posted by The Phantom Flan Flinger:
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Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
Am I missing something about UK culture? An actual creative person, one of your own dies, it's not okay that your media attends to same? Was the attention to Diana your princess as awful for you?

At least one of them made a significant and lasting contribution to our society [Two face]
be fair, the other one wrote Space Oddity
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quote:
Originally posted by bib:
I never understood the attraction of Bowie's music - didn't do anything for me. His death is a sad event, but I don't think he made a significant contribution to music. He was just another pop singer.

Or just another bacon sandwich.

Does it ever occur to you that your experience is perhaps not the yardstick of all the fun and glory in the world?

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quote:
Originally posted by bib:
I never understood the attraction of Bowie's music - didn't do anything for me. His death is a sad event, but I don't think he made a significant contribution to music. He was just another pop singer.

Oh come on now, he was most certainly NOT 'just another pop singer'. The man was an artist, a visionary, and his music was ground-breaking. I'm not even a fan, let alone a hardcore fan, but I did know he was a genius (plus, that beautiful voice) and his death has now got me seriously interested in his music. I've been listening to the Blackstar album, his requiem, and it's astounding.

I am one who found the coverage of Diana's death excessive ... I was moved by it, but the UK news coverage didn't cover ANYTHING ELSE at all that day.

I don't get affected by celebrity deaths, and I'm not in bits at Bowie's, but I do recognise that the man was a great artist whose musical influence was far-reaching.

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I hope mr cheesy manages to avoid buying a UK paper today. It's even front-page news in the Financial Times.

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I'm someone who has respected him but never tried to listen to his music. I saw him at the Freddie Mercury Tribute Concert and he gave a very good performance. Anyone who could sing with Freddie or was respected by Freddie has got to be respected.

I heard his singing of part of "Comfortably Numb" with David Gilmour and it was ace, miles better than that twat Waters.

I preferred the music of Lemmy much more, someone else iconic whose status went beyond that of his genre (though Bowie had more genres). Sometimes someone dies who is an esssential part of music and culture itself.

Here in Poland people are mourning his death as well.

I've started, quite belatedly, to check out Bowie's music. "Life on Mars" is very nice. It's noteworthy that many have said things like "I wasn't into his music, but it's sad he's gone". That says something.

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OTOH, it's dropped off the BBC web pages - and presumably Broadcast news. So maybe if he just stays glued to the TV and radio and runs past any newsagents with his coat over his head, he can make it through?
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You have to have some sort of admiration for someone who can write Lazarus

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Look up here, I’m in heaven
I’ve got scars that can’t be seen
I’ve got drama, can’t be stolen
Everybody knows me now

take part in the related video, and then arrange to die right after their birthday and the album release.

Chilling stuff.

[ 12. January 2016, 11:37: Message edited by: Eutychus ]

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Originally posted by betjemaniac:
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Originally posted by The Phantom Flan Flinger:
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Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
Am I missing something about UK culture? An actual creative person, one of your own dies, it's not okay that your media attends to same? Was the attention to Diana your princess as awful for you?

At least one of them made a significant and lasting contribution to our society [Two face]
be fair, the other one wrote Space Oddity
[Big Grin]

Diana wrote Space Oddity? I never knew that

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There is a very good CD by Brazilian singer Seu Jorge, doing acoustic Bowie covers with lyrics in Portuguese. Bowie himself said he liked it.

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quote:
Originally posted by Eutychus:
You have to have some sort of admiration for someone who can write Lazarus

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Look up here, I’m in heaven
I’ve got scars that can’t be seen
I’ve got drama, can’t be stolen
Everybody knows me now

take part in the related video, and then arrange to die right after their birthday and the album release.

Chilling stuff.

Reminds me of how Freddie organised the manner to which his death became public both via press releases and through the video to "These are the days of our lives".

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Originally posted by Bibaculus:
let us be honest, its not like he has the cultural significance of, say, Nigel Blackwell from Half Man Half Biscuit.

Some of us would argue that they were on a par. Mind, it's good to find another HMHB fan!

AG

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Originally posted by bib:
I never understood the attraction of Bowie's music - didn't do anything for me. His death is a sad event, but I don't think he made a significant contribution to music. He was just another pop singer.

Or just another bacon sandwich.

Does it ever occur to you that your experience is perhaps not the yardstick of all the fun and glory in the world?

I would say most people use their preferences as the yardstick of what is good and important.
Lack of knowledge has never been an impediment to forming an opinion.
And I do not say this as a massive fan of Bowie.
Or as someone who has never do so themselves.

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These things are subjective. I see him as a major artist, comparable with Wordsworth or Blake, but if someone else sees him as a mediocre pop singer, I'm not going to fight a duel over it. There is no objective measure, after all.

I just remembered 'The Man Who Sold the World', and burst into tears. Damn, damn, damn, why has he gone?

Some are saying that there are 3 giants in popular music, Elvis, Sinatra, and Bowie, but we can always add more, e.g. Dylan.

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Originally posted by quetzalcoatl:
These things are subjective. I see him as a major artist, comparable with Wordsworth or Blake, but if someone else sees him as a mediocre pop singer, I'm not going to fight a duel over it. There is no objective measure, after all.

I just remembered 'The Man Who Sold the World', and burst into tears. Damn, damn, damn, why has he gone?

Some are saying that there are 3 giants in popular music, Elvis, Sinatra, and Bowie, but we can always add more, e.g. Dylan.

And Lennon.

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quote:
Originally posted by The Phantom Flan Flinger:
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Originally posted by quetzalcoatl:
These things are subjective. I see him as a major artist, comparable with Wordsworth or Blake, but if someone else sees him as a mediocre pop singer, I'm not going to fight a duel over it. There is no objective measure, after all.

I just remembered 'The Man Who Sold the World', and burst into tears. Damn, damn, damn, why has he gone?

Some are saying that there are 3 giants in popular music, Elvis, Sinatra, and Bowie, but we can always add more, e.g. Dylan.

And Lennon.
and Woolly Wolstenholme (IMO obviously)

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My guess is that sadness in such cases (and I feel it) where one never interacted with the deceased, is an ego thing. Something from which we once derived identity, is dead. We are rudely aware that now if we have to explain it to someone, we're stuck in the 'but you should have heard him' speak of the really old, who we derided when Bowie (or whoever) was 'it'.

Richard Thompson's 'Al Bowlley's in heaven' is a kind of take on this, if you haven't heard it.

Anything which makes me feel like my Dad is a surefire cause of the profound blues.

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Actually, a good measure of how great a person is is that they have not really made it until on their death someone complains that the hype is overblown.

If the world is concordant then it is only the fans who are listening and writing; it is the discord that says he has reached a wider audience.

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Originally posted by Ariel:
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Originally posted by mr cheesy:
Who said anything about watching anything? I was talking about the flagship radio morning news programme. 3 hours of news from 6 to 9 am.

The internet's full of it as well. Unlike Diana, it should only be 24 hours of saturation coverage, then back to normal.
TBH, I thought the whole Diana thing was completely over-done.

Bowie helped make growing up in Sarf London cool and gave it a soundtrack that few others could top.

I can't think of a single band that I like that hasn't cited him as a musical influence. Man was a blooming musical genius.

Hell, he even made bad Anthony Newley style records sound good and rocked a mullet. [Overused]

We're unlikely to see his like again and the world is a little poorer today.

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I'm fine with people not liking stuff. It's the 'I don't see the point/value, so obviously it can't have any' miserabilism I can't be doing with.
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quote:
Originally posted by Firenze:
I'm fine with people not liking stuff. It's the 'I don't see the point/value, so obviously it can't have any' miserabilism I can't be doing with.

Woo - musical atheism! It sucks just as much as theological atheism, but with even less harmony.
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quote:
Originally posted by betjemaniac:
]and Woolly Wolstenholme (IMO obviously)

I don't know which is causing me more consternation, the fact that someone thinks BJH is on the level of David Bowie or the fact that I caught the reference...

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I've no objection to a good BBC tribute to an iconic figure of the 20th Century, but they don't half over do it. They really do adore a good celebrity death.

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Didn't watch any BBC yesterday.

This though is a rare thread whereby I've found myself nodding to much of lilBuddha's posting. I can only imagine that means I have been moved by the death of David Bowie.

It's often said Freddy stole the night at Live Aid. As I recall it Bowie who came on first and sung 'Heroes'. Combine that with the sultry Summer's evening and the show was ready to be stolen.

Also, when helping my brother with small party discos in late 70s, where young and old were often reluctant to let go and take to the dance floor, he found Bowie's Gene Genie rarely failed

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Originally posted by Erroneous Monk:
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Originally posted by Sandemaniac:
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Originally posted by Bibaculus:
let us be honest, its not like he has the cultural significance of, say, Nigel Blackwell from Half Man Half Biscuit.

Some of us would argue that they were on a par. Mind, it's good to find another HMHB fan!

AG

I bet Justin Welby's got nothing but total respect for Annie Lennox.
And the Joy of Sex video? LMFAO! Thank you EM for a real belly laugh.

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quote:
Originally posted by Sparrow:
They really do adore a good celebrity death.

This is the first coverage criticism that I fully understand, regardless of one’s personal taste. There is sometimes an almost vulture-like quality to newscasters when they FINALLY get a good, interesting story full of bathos and tragedy. It’s like the weathermen who always seem the most excited when they are covering hurricanes, tornados, and the like.

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For me the tipping point into navel-gazing is when the media start reporting on the media response to an event, which the BBC were admittedly (and alas unsurprisingly) guilty of.

It's all a long way from the likes of Brian Perkins and the gravitas of the World Service's "This Is London".

[ 12. January 2016, 21:42: Message edited by: Eutychus ]

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Whether or not somebody is a good singer or songwriter is definitely a matter of taste. Whether not someone has had an affect on a lot of other artists is not subjective. You ask the other artists, "Did this person have an influence on your art?" If millions of artists say that he did, then the idea that his influence was not far-reaching is knocked into a cocked hat.

In short, quality can be debated because there is no way of arriving at an objective measure of quality. The reach of someone's influence is pretty easy to measure.

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There's also a lot of wonder at a man who lived a life with a lot of breadth. And the stories are genuinely amusing. Like the one coming out now about how he maintained his anonymity taking cabs and the subway in New York by simply always going around with a Greek language paper.

The sheer volume of people who interacted with his work and life is something to behold. In a couple of days, the latest issue will take hold and all this will be blown away. In the meantime, the stages of grief are being served. Let people mourn a loss.

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quote:
Originally posted by Eutychus:
For me the tipping point into navel-gazing is when the media start reporting on the media response to an event, which the BBC were admittedly (and alas unsurprisingly) guilty of.

This is standard behaviour in an age where "journalism" has largely become the ability to regurgitate other people's words. Sometimes what's being regurgitated is other people's press releases or press conferences, but for larger events it shifts to regurgitating other people's Facebook, Twitter and the like.

Why come up with your own thoughts when you can fulfil your requirements by repeating someone else's?

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