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orfeo
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Because hail, you fucking suck. This is the second time you've shredded leaves and clogged my gutters and caused water to enter my house. And this time you did it while I was on fucking holiday and sitting in Rod Laver Arena trying to enjoy myself.
And I thought it wasn't too much drama this time and that I could cope with smelly carpets for a bit because hey, at least they're still functioning carpets, and the phone/answering machine needed replacing anyway, only this afternoon I've realised that the ceiling is cracking and I'm reliving all the trauma of 9 years ago and oh God I can't go through that again and hail I fucking hate you why do you EXIST?! And WHY HAVE YOU GOT IT IN FOR MY GUTTERS??
*hyperventilates into bag*
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Welease Woderwick
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God taps orfeo on the shoulder, flexes his considerable muscles and says:
Me, I invented hail, you wanna make something of it?
WW gives enormous thanks that we don't get hail here, it can be a real bastard - a bit like God in that respect!
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Golden Key
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orfeo--
Sorry you're going through that! Maybe hail is attracted to gutters the way tornadoes are attracted to trailer parks?
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orfeo
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Also, I would really like the world to stop trying to fill my house with vacuous crap. Thank you.
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I think you need to unpack that one, dude. What constitutes " vacuous crap" and who broke into your house and put it there without your consent?
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
I think you need to unpack that one, dude. What constitutes " vacuous crap"
Pretty much everything
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and who broke into your house and put it there without your consent?
Pretty much everyone
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Orfeo probably deserved it.
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Wasn't it a freak hail storm that set Europe on a mission of torturing and murdering innocent women some Centuries ago?
You have every right to place hailstones in Hell orfeo.
I don't mind the little dancing ones that turn the garden white, look pretty and then melt.
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Ariel
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Could be worse, look on the bright side, chin up and all that. Your house is still standing and your car might look like this but presumably it doesn't.
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Alan Cresswell
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Hail is the natural consequence of repeated circulation of ice crystals in clouds on warm days, being lifted on thermals and then falling back through the cloud all the while growing in size as further moisture freezes onto the outside.
The problem isn't the hail. The problem is with the design of guttering in a location where hail is common such that it doesn't manage to do what it's supposed to under the regularly occuring conditions of a hail storm.
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mousethief
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I wonder how a house is designed that allows water in when the gutters are full.
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Golden Key
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Maybe it was designed by someone who loved the gospel hymn: "Running ooooooverrr, running ooooooverrrr, my cup is full and running oooooooverrrrr..."?
orfeo, isn't it a little unusual to have hail in the Greek underworld?
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Alan Cresswell
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There was a fashion in the UK at one point for building the gutters into the top of the outside walls, rather than having overhanging eaves with the gutters attached there. Particularly common on flat roofs, which are probably the stupidest idea ever for a wet climate.
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mousethief
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Still, gutters occasionally get clogged with leaves and stuff. I'd think you'd design your house so that a very foreseeable occurrence -- clogged gutters -- wouldn't result in ruined carpets.
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Alan Cresswell
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One would have thought so, but sometime architects seem to go to extraordinary lengths to achieve an aesthetic that isn't necessarily practical.
But, still, when you get wet carpets as a result of blocked gutters it seems unfair to blame the weather.
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Surprisingly common here, Mousethief - in part bad gutter design, including the profile being such that the outer lip was higher than that next to the house - with predictable results. And no - I cannot explain how anyone thought that that was anything other than very, very stupid.
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Lamb Chopped
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Originally posted by mousethief:
Still, gutters occasionally get clogged with leaves and stuff. I'd think you'd design your house so that a very foreseeable occurrence -- clogged gutters -- wouldn't result in ruined carpets.
Still so innocent after all these years?
Behold, yet another victim of crappy gutter hanging practices. I'd replace the damn lot and do it right but am missing that one essential, lots of $.
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Hail here is mostly a problem when cycling and getting it blown in your face by a 40mph gale.
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I suspect that this rant is the result of severe and super-cell storms we have had here over the last two or so weeks. If so, the guttering would not have been able to cope with the huge amount of water. The hail stones up here have been *huge* and the wind was strong enough to snap telephone posts off at the base in the last really bad one we had (Christmas Eve, I think that one was. A bad time to be without power for 4 days, anyway). Orpheo is a fair way from here, but they were getting some very impressive storms there according to the radar images.
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Have had house damage several times by hail. Once they were 2 and 3 inches diameter. Insurance never replaces loss, merely mitigates. Eaves trough covers are useful. Allowing water through, and not debris. Snow and ice is something else entirely. Requiring roof shovelling and heat tape.
What do people call the gutters between road and walkway if eaves troughs are gutters in your English?
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Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
What do people call the gutters between road and walkway if eaves troughs are gutters in your English?
Perhaps if you were to avail yourself to a dictionary, you might be pleased to discover how general a term "gutter" is, and how it can encompass both meanings. A delightful thing, knowledge.
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Golden Key
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Re raised outer lip on gutters:
Maybe to keep the water and muck from overflowing on *that* side, onto passersby?
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mousethief
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Originally posted by Arethosemyfeet:
Hail here is mostly a problem when cycling and getting it blown in your face by a 40mph gale.
Yikes! In some parts of the world you could get stoned to death riding a bicycle in a hailstorm. The woman taken in adultery could have been left out in an Indiana supercell hailstorm and not needed any self-righteous busybodies at all.
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Originally posted by Lamb Chopped:
Still so innocent after all these years?
You have no idea.
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Originally posted by Golden Key:
Re raised outer lip on gutters:
Maybe to keep the water and muck from overflowing on *that* side, onto passersby?
On a house with proper eaves, the overflow would still spill over, just with a small (long and skinny) pool of standing water seeping up under the shingles.
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Originally posted by RooK:
quote:
Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
What do people call the gutters between road and walkway if eaves troughs are gutters in your English?
Perhaps if you were to avail yourself to a dictionary, you might be pleased to discover how general a term "gutter" is, and how it can encompass both meanings. A delightful thing, knowledge.
Knowledge is indeed a wonderful thing, like knowing the correct preposition to use. I guess availing oneself of a dictionary would be useful for that too.
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It's way for fun to be in the gutter with all of you than to/of use a dictionary. Twirling around together like unflushable turds. Some of us even float.
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orfeo
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Dear back seat house designers,
The gutter in question is not at the edge of the house (though some of them were very clogged as well). It is the v-shaped gutter from the top of the roof down to the corner in the part of my house that forms an "L" shape.
In other words, there is no drop on one side. Both sides consist of tiles. The water is supposed to funnel into this gutter, go to the bottom of the gutter and then be distributed by the gutters at the edge of the house.
When leaves and hail form a dam in the bottom third of this v-shaped gutter, the intended effect is difficult to achieve. The water can generally go left into the roof, right into the roof, or straight up into the laws of physics.
Your revised engineering answers will be read with interest.
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orfeo
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
I think you need to unpack that one, dude. What constitutes " vacuous crap" and who broke into your house and put it there without your consent?
Oh, I kept carrying it in. After people put it in my letter box, or handed it to me as a 'gift', or otherwise offered it to me in a situation where it was either impolite to refuse or I briefly thought the thing might be desirable, or it was packaging for something else, or it was useful before it broke.
I just rarely have the mental energy to properly sort the wheat from the chaff, and I'm the kind of person who gets too scared about throwing out wheat.
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orfeo
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quote:
Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
The problem isn't the hail. The problem is with the design of guttering in a location where hail is common such that it doesn't manage to do what it's supposed to under the regularly occuring conditions of a hail storm.
You of all people should know that where hail is "common" is somewhat up in the air these days, the climate not being what it used to be.
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mousethief
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quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:
Dear back seat house designers,
The gutter in question is not at the edge of the house (though some of them were very clogged as well). It is the v-shaped gutter from the top of the roof down to the corner in the part of my house that forms an "L" shape.
In other words, there is no drop on one side. Both sides consist of tiles. The water is supposed to funnel into this gutter, go to the bottom of the gutter and then be distributed by the gutters at the edge of the house.
When leaves and hail form a dam in the bottom third of this v-shaped gutter, the intended effect is difficult to achieve. The water can generally go left into the roof, right into the roof, or straight up into the laws of physics.
Your revised engineering answers will be read with interest.
This is not a use of the word "gutter" with which I was previously familiar.
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Lothlorien
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I guess the storms your way have dumped torrential rain in bucketloads on your roof. They certainly have further north to you. Both gutters and gulleys would be overflowing in a short time, leaves and other debris or not.
The term gulley is used for the drain Orfeo described, not the gutter at the edge of the house.
More forecast for tonight, too.
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mousethief
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Maybe this has something to do with having tile rooves instead of solid ones with shingles or shakes.
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orfeo
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Look, they were pretty well ALL blocked. Much as I'd love to draw a diagram showing the location of the tree, the apparently prevailing winds that dumped the leaves over the roof onto the other side etc etc, what I care about most is the end result and the fact that I am currently using a stepladder and mop combination to prop up a portion of my lounge room ceiling.
Also, the covering outside my back door has holes smashed in it, but this is a minor point.
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Lothlorien
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Maybe this has something to do with the ferocious storms we are having here lately and before Christmas.
Regardless of roof material, that angle Orfeo describes would need draining in some way. We had it happen years ago but in an old house where the gulley had rusted through.
I came home to a waterfall cascading into upstairs hall. Water had got in, broken a larrge hole in plaster cornice and water poured through.
I can now see rain falling to north of my place, up Gee D's way. Clouds to west are ominous and I need light on to see at 4:30 on a summer afternoon. We had over 2.5 cm in a short time yesterday.
Orfeo, I can certainly envisage the leaves etc. I live in an apartment on second top floor, so do not have problems with gutters etc.
However, my balcony was deep in sodden leaves blown in by gale. Were I next floor up, your problem could be happening here.
Now I guess you have insurance assessors etc to deal with.
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orfeo
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Originally posted by Lothlorien:
Maybe this has something to do with the ferocious storms we are having here lately and before Christmas.
You don't say...
My damage happened on the 25th, but yesterday there were 4 or 5 thunderstorms, and close to the same today though so far only two managed to produced any rain at this particular spot in town.
It's insane. I'm used to either steady rain, or a storm comes through in the afternoon and is gone. Two days in a row it's been storm/sunshine/storm/sunshine over and over throughout the day, from the morning right through.
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mousethief
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Do y'all get tornadoes? Cells that produce hail in the US can produce tornadoes. Terrifying.
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Lothlorien
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Not a usual thing in Sydney, Mousethief, but Bureau people called a storm a tornado which hit some suburbs here a week before Christmas. It caused massive damage to a couple of coastal suburbs. They gave been hit again in this series of storms which have damaged Orfeo's place.
Thses storms are different. Large areas of the state have been affected. Orfeo is around three hours from my place. Areas as far west or north again have all been hit on same day.
Nine fire engines have just screamed west past my place. Something nasty there, I guess.
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Alan Cresswell
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Originally posted by orfeo:
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Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
The problem isn't the hail. The problem is with the design of guttering in a location where hail is common such that it doesn't manage to do what it's supposed to under the regularly occuring conditions of a hail storm.
You of all people should know that where hail is "common" is somewhat up in the air these days, the climate not being what it used to be.
Which gives another legitimate target for your rant, rather than just blaming the poor hail which is nothing more than how storm clouds work. For more than 30 years scientists have been telling us that we're altering the global climate by polluting our air with excessive quantities of carbon dioxide and other gases, that this will lead to warmer average temperatures and more frequent storms of greater intensity. And, as the scientific data became even more convincing politicians around the world put their fingers in their ears and repeated the phrase "la, la, la ... not listening to you". And, all the while the problem has increased so that what would have been modest reductions in carbon emission 30 years ago to significantly limit the effects of our activities have become significant reductions now to simply tinker around the edges of the problem.
So, rant against the fucking politicians and business leaders who have done everything in their power to do nothing about carbon emissions that have screwed-up the climate.
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Originally posted by orfeo:
It's insane. I'm used to either steady rain, or a storm comes through in the afternoon and is gone. Two days in a row it's been storm/sunshine/storm/sunshine over and over throughout the day, from the morning right through.
If this is the beginning of Armageddon maybe we have to expect blocked gutters.
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Here in the U.S. it would obviously be President Obama's fault, but I'm not sure he can be blamed in Australia.
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I understand that the Viking rune for Hail was also the rune for Disaster!
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Originally posted by Pigwidgeon:
Here in the U.S. it would obviously be President Obama's fault, but I'm not sure he can be blamed in Australia.
Oh come now. A little imagination and the thing is done!
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Quite right LC.
Make a change from everything past,present and future being the fault of the British Empire.
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Originally posted by rolyn:
Quite right LC.
Make a change from everything past,present and future being the fault of the British Empire.
Definitely connected -- wasn't Kenya part of the British Empire when Barack Obama was born there?
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Originally posted by Eigon:
I understand that the Viking rune for Hail was also the rune for Disaster!
Hagall, yes. The sudden blast that destroys. Quite understandable, especially if you were a Scandinavian farmer worried about your crops.
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Originally posted by Lothlorien:
It is a gulley, here, not a gutter. They can also rust through as well as get blocked.
Strange spelling of gully, but that's not a normal term in building. It is a valley.
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Originally posted by Pigwidgeon:
Here in the U.S. it would obviously be President Obama's fault, but I'm not sure he can be blamed in Australia.
He did visit this part of the New Empire and brought his evilness with him.
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Originally posted by Pigwidgeon:
quote:
Originally posted by rolyn:
Quite right LC.
Make a change from everything past,present and future being the fault of the British Empire.
Definitely connected -- wasn't Kenya part of the British Empire when Barack Obama was born there?
It is connected because Obama is from Hawaii which has a union jack in the corner of the state flag.
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