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Evangeline
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Ok, so at my local Anglican (it may be relevant to add I live in Sydney here) church this morning-it was a communion service of Good Friday. I was told they always have Communion on GF. Seems wrong to me-anybody else-of any tradition-have communion on Good Friday?
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Barefoot Friar
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It is generally frowned upon, though I know of many Baptist and independent churches that do. My Shack did last year but it was from the reserved Sacrament, so no consecration on that day.
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I take it the OP is referring to an actual celebration (afresh) of the Eucharist on Good Friday?
It's not formally ruled out by either the BCP or our Canadian BAS, but I've never known it to happen, and the quasi-official McCausland's Ordo discourages it. I wouldn't imagine the Australian books disallow it either, and I expect many Anglican meeting houses in Sydney would not have any scruples about it.
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At our (Episcopal) church we've generally had communion from the reserved sacrament on Good Friday. I think this is pretty typical of TEC churches in the area. Our rector nixed the idea for tomorrow, so it will be just a service of the Word.
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Our's is not a Moore College parish, although in Sydney. We had a eucharist this morning with elements consecrated at last night's Maundy Thursday service and which had been on the altar of repose. An excellent service, on the long side, with a couple of added reflections stretching things out a bit. Thinking back on them they put a lot into the service and the time was worth every second.
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Evangeline
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Interesting,thanks for the responses. Yes it was a fresh celebration, i.e. not from reserved sacrament.
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The Silent Acolyte
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The communion from the reserved sacrament has an oddly modern sounding name:
Mass or Liturgy of the Pre-sanctified.
The Orthodox shop down the street does it all during Lent on Wednesday evenings.
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While I'm a mass of the pre-sanctified person I believe there are powerful arguments for each of the three schools - no communion, consecrate communion, pre-consecrated communion. I would die of sorrow with the first, though it was the practice in my evo-ang church of origin 35 years ago; I can cope and have coped with either of the second and third ... I can see no reason why consecration should not take place on the day body and blood became body and blood for us
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In the Roman Catholic Church, there is a service of prayers and the Word, adoration of the Cross. The service ends with Holy Communion, from the elements consecrated on Holy Thursday, in one specie only. In the Canadian Church, at least, this service, which is not a mass, is known as Friday of the Passion of the Lord.
It is the second stage of the Triduum. As on Holy Thursday, there is no Blessing or dismissal; people depart in silence.
The last stage of the Triduum is the Easter Vigil Mass. The three days of prayer are over and there is a Solemn Blessing and Dismissal.
There should be no Mass on Holy Saturday at all, not even a service of the Word, until the Vigil begins.
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I have never heard of this in UK Anglicanism, not even in the Evangelical corner of this that I inhabit.
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Spike
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At the Liberal Catholic Church I used to attend we used to have a celebration of the Eucharist on Good Friday. The priest from those days has since retired, so don't know if they still do it.
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Gee D
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Originally posted by Uncle Pete:
In the Roman Catholic Church, there is a service of prayers and the Word, adoration of the Cross. The service ends with Holy Communion, from the elements consecrated on Holy Thursday, in one specie only.
It is the second stage of the Triduum. As on Holy Thursday, there is no Blessing or dismissal; people depart in silence.
Agreed, save that we communicate in both. There is no procession at the beginning or end of Friday's service by clergy or choir. The clergy simply walk in from the vestry door in silence and leave the same way. The choir has already climbed to the gallery and stays there at the end. The bell is not rung at the beginning. To this we add that the distribution is in silence also, with no words of administration or of receiving.
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Uncle Pete
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Further to this, the priests and deacons process up the aisle, in silence (Roman Catholic practice), and then prostrate themselves in silence, adoring the Holy Cross. At the end, the vessels of Communion being put away, they leave in silence, as do the people. There is no closing hymn. I've been known to leave in tears. It is a very intense and emotional service.
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Originally posted by Uncle Pete:
Further to this, the priests and deacons process up the aisle, in silence (Roman Catholic practice), and then prostrate themselves in silence, adoring the Holy Cross. At the end, the vessels of Communion being put away, they leave in silence, as do the people. There is no closing hymn. I've been known to leave in tears. It is a very intense and emotional service.
Very intense and moving, especially kneeling when His death is reached in the Gospel reading. We observe a long silence then. The stripped altar, the absence of candles or any other ornamentation simply enhance this feeling of desolation. Madame and I have always felt this to be a very roller-coaster week emotionally, this year in particular. That said, I felt an extraordinary peace after communion this year, a reassurance despite the great tragedy of the day.
We don't have any procession as it's the continuation of the Maundy Thursday service. Clergy and others in the sanctuary simply walk in a side door, almost casually, and take their places as if there had simply been a rearrangement of positions overnight. On Sunday, again no bells, although there will have been a lot of noise at the 5.30 First Light service.
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Sorry if this sounds a tad drama-queeny, but I honestly don't think I could bring myself to celebrate the Eucharist on Good Friday. It's completely alien to my tradition and it would feel wrong.
The clue for me is in the word we use for the Eucharist: "celebrate". Who has a party at an execution? It would feel like bringing champagne and canapes to watch someone go to the electric chair.
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The Baptist tradition is, of course, less sacramentally-based. If there is Communion during this time, it tends to be on Maundy Thursday evening (to me that is a "given") and possibly first thing on Sunday morning.
I've never come across it on Good Friday, and Easter Sunday seems to be focussed entirely on the Resurrection. But there are no "rules" on this.
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Originally posted by Adeodatus:
The clue for me is in the word we use for the Eucharist: "celebrate". Who has a party at an execution? It would feel like bringing champagne and canapes to watch someone go to the electric chair.
It's always seemed a bit strange to me that the missal refers to the Good Friday liturgy as the "Celebration of the Lord's Passion".
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Originally posted by seasick:
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Originally posted by Adeodatus:
The clue for me is in the word we use for the Eucharist: "celebrate". Who has a party at an execution? It would feel like bringing champagne and canapes to watch someone go to the electric chair.
It's always seemed a bit strange to me that the missal refers to the Good Friday liturgy as the "Celebration of the Lord's Passion".
'Celebrate' means 'honour'. A celebrity is in theory a person who is honoured for something or other. A celebration is not necessarily a joyful occasion.
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Gamaliel
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I have never heard of this in UK Anglicanism, not even in the Evangelical corner of this that I inhabit.
In which case, I am afraid to have to report that it does take place within evangelical Anglicandom ...
I attended the Good Friday 'meditation' at our parish church this morning - which is very much evangelical Anglican and felt very uncomfortable with the whole thing. So much so, that I didn't actually take communion - although, not being familiar enough with the rubrics I had gone prepared to do so where it on offer ...
What we had was a communion service broken up into chunks with readings and reflections - none from the lectionary - and the vicar's attempts at amateur dramatics ...
Well, actually, that last bit is an exaggeration. What he did was to say that the service would follow a particular theme and after the readings he read out some scenarios he'd written where people were exhibiting attitudes/behaviour that might not fit with what we might take to be 'the way of the Cross' ...
We were also supposed to write things down on bits of paper and either scrunch them up and place them at the foot of the cross at the end or take them home with us ...
In and amongst, what Good Friday themes there were - he had an animated video clip from a US evangelical website - became conflated with Maundy Thursday and he showed PowerPoint slides of various Old Masters and modern depictions of the Last Supper while communion was taking place - with a recording of The Lark Ascending in the background.
I left at that point. I'm not a liturgical fascist but the whole thing made no liturgical sense to me whatsoever. It jumped all over the place, the readings and reflections worked 'against' each other and the liturgical responses for communion were space out from one another by hymns, prayers and his awful, patronising 'reflections'.
It was a complete dog's breakfast.
Call me a loner, but I came home and went through the set prayers for Passiontide and Good Friday from Common Worship with the appropriate lectionary readings.
That made me feel a whole lot better.
I know it's not about 'me' ... but c'mon folks, what the heck is going on?
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As I recall, for many centuries Lutherans celebrated the Lord's Supper on Good Friday. I don't know about current practice.
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I think the Lutherans I know--and am--always have. It's never been an issue with us. Just seemed natural, to share in Jesus' body and blood the day his body and blood were sacrificed for us. As for the concept of celebrations, there are noisy, festive ones, and quiet, deeply felt ones. I think the noisy festive kind would be out of place on Good Friday, but the other works fine for us.
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Gamaliel
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That sounds fair enough, Lamb Chopped, but then, the way the RCs and Orthodox do it makes sense too.
What makes absolutely no sense, to me at least, is the way it was done at our parish church this morning.
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My guess would be that the RCs are 'working through' the process/sequence liturgically.
Therefore, it makes sense to delay the 'celebration' of the eucharist until the day of Resurrection - as it were, when we drink the wine new in the Kingdom of God ...
I can see how it would be appropriate to share the body and blood on the day that commemorates the death of that body and the shedding of that most precious blood - but for whatever reason it doesn't 'sit well' with me.
I don't know why that is - it just 'feels' odd.
I'm not saying that there's anything 'wrong' with the Lutheran position, simply that it feels strange.
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Just ... no.
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BCP 1662 gives readings for Communion on Good Friday, doesn't it- so presumably it must envisage (have envisaged) a celebration that day?
(As for Adeodatus's point about champagne and canapes at the electric chair- bet they do it- or beer and ribs- in Alabama...probably stick the ribs on the chair to keep them warm)
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I wouldn't have minded so much if it had been BCP, Albertus.
What we had was a dog's breakfast.
The vicar started with the opening words of the Common Worship eucharist - on a projector screen - then led us in a time of confession (which was loosely based on the usual Anglican form).
We then had a series of five readings interspersed with his own 'reflections' based on five imaginary characters and their views on 'success' - and even with some 'props' like a wine glass, coffee mug and other items I've tried to erase from my memory banks ...
These were interspersed with two or three hymns that were - to be fair - largely traditional Good Friday ones - and then we started the eucharist again - only for it to be interrupted/interspersed with readings and some silly video footage ...
Sorry to bang on ...
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Gamaliel
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Fortunately, my wife practices with the choir of a medieval parish church some six or seven miles north of here - in exchange for singing at some weddings and on high days and holidays.
She's singing at their Good Friday service this evening. This will be more like it - the proper readings and properly chosen and appropriate hymns and anthems.
Needless to say, I'm going along as well. I would have done so anyway but I particularly need to after this morning's circus act ...
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Our neighbouring (and rather high-church) Lutheran parish is having Communion at the German service but not the English. At the former, it appears that this is a fresh consecration from what I can make out of the leaflet, as the Verba are repeated.
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Originally posted by Gamaliel:
I can see how it would be appropriate to share the body and blood on the day that commemorates the death of that body and the shedding of that most precious blood - but for whatever reason it doesn't 'sit well' with me.
I don't know why that is - it just 'feels' odd.
I went to the meditation at our local Anglican church this afternoon and felt exactly the same. The bread and wine were on a table at the front, but to the side, which I thought was fitting in a way - as though Jesus and the disciples had had their meal and then left. Then I looked ahead in the order of service and realised that communion was going to be part of it. I was very uncomfortable with it, although it's hard to explain why.
No idea what will be happening this evening at our Baptist church as we won't be going.
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I don't know what proportion of C of E churches celebrate the full Liturgy of Good Friday as laid out in CW: Times and Seasons. It is essentially the same as the RC version. The church I attended this afternoon did it, and although only about half of the congregation came forward to venerate the cross (which is not to say they didn't venerate it in their own way), nearly everybody received communion. So there appears to be little resistance to the idea there at any rate.
Since the custom has been officially endorsed by CW, I think reservation of the Sacrament on Maundy Thursday, to be given on Good Friday, is much more common than it used to be. Personally I find it very moving. I've never attended an actual eucharistic celebration on this day but as others have said, the 1662 rite seems tailor-made for it; it would seem in keeping with the mood if not the theology.
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Fcr Catholics the three days of the Paschal or Easter Triduum are three parts of the one act of commemoration,starting on the Thursday with the Lord's Supper,the new covenant and the new commandment of love and service,on the Friday with the passion and death of Christ and on the Sat/Sunday with the Resurrection.
Between the Mass on Thursday and that on Sat/Sunday there is no celebration of the eucharist.
The reading of the Passion,the solemn prayers for all mankind and the adoration of the Cross are followed by a simple distribution of the Blessed Sacrament.
For me personally the unveiling and adoration of the Cross is one of the most moving parts of the whole liturgical year.
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The service Angloid describes sounds very much like ours this morning. AFAIK, at least 2 of our neighbouring MOTR parishes do something very similar, too - so yes, it's quite common C of E practice.
Re the 1662 BCP provision of Epistle and Gospel for GF - this doesn't mean that the whole of the Lord's Supper need be celebrated today, but just (!) Matins, Litany, and Ante-Communion......
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Originally posted by seasick:
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Originally posted by Adeodatus:
The clue for me is in the word we use for the Eucharist: "celebrate". Who has a party at an execution? It would feel like bringing champagne and canapes to watch someone go to the electric chair.
It's always seemed a bit strange to me that the missal refers to the Good Friday liturgy as the "Celebration of the Lord's Passion".
It's the celebration of the victory of the cross. The liturgy for today is very 'Christus Victor' and refers to the resurrection.
It's solemn but it's not sad.
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Originally posted by Angloid:
I don't know what proportion of C of E churches celebrate the full Liturgy of Good Friday as laid out in CW: Times and Seasons. It is essentially the same as the RC version. The church I attended this afternoon did it, and although only about half of the congregation came forward to venerate the cross (which is not to say they didn't venerate it in their own way), nearly everybody received communion. So there appears to be little resistance to the idea there at any rate.
Since the custom has been officially endorsed by CW, I think reservation of the Sacrament on Maundy Thursday, to be given on Good Friday, is much more common than it used to be. Personally I find it very moving. I've never attended an actual eucharistic celebration on this day but as others have said, the 1662 rite seems tailor-made for it; it would seem in keeping with the mood if not the theology.
For the first time, this year everyone venerated and everyone took communion - in previous yeasrs some eld back.
In the 3 years before I moved 'up the candle' my evangelical C of E church did a BCP Communion service - I rather liked it and would love to experience it again some time but it isn't as common now as it was then.
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Originally posted by Gamaliel:
What we had was a dog's breakfast.
Several things strike me about this.
1. Was this the only service today? Or were there other, more traditional, ones at other times?
2. Did the Vicar spring this format on you as a surprise, or were you forewarned? How was it announced?
3. Was this truly "Anglican"? Perhaps he is a closet nonconformist and doesn't want to be trammelled by set forms of worship.
4. Some people are good at putting together "alternative" services, some aren't. You need to have a "feel" for the flow of things - and edit out the bits that don't fit, however good you think they are. (Sadly you only know afterwards what you should have left out!)
5. It sounds as if he was trying to please everyone - and ended up not really pleasing anyone! Or did others think it was great?
6. He clearly felt he had to "put over the story" and "make people think". But perhaps the Liturgy should have been allowed to do that for itself - as it did in the excellent CofE service I attended last night.
(Etc., etc. ...).
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It sounds not unlike an evangelical slant on the old-fashioned "Three Hours' Devotion" still found in some Anglican churches, which similarly used the set liturgical forms of the day as a frame on which to hang, rather loosely, a great deal of preaching and ex tempore prayer or meditation.
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Actually the 'three hours' traditional in Anglican churches, especially of the MOTR to low sort, was (maybe surprisingly) a Jesuit invention. It had no liturgy as such, apart from the readings on the Passion (usually the 'seven last words'), addresses based on them, and hymns.
The more liturgical pattern, whether based on BCP morning prayer - ante communion - evening prayer, or the Catholic passion-veneration-communion, is a comparatively recent phenomenon (post-liturgical movement anyway).
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Ok - good questions Baptist Trainfan. You will appreciate that I'm coming at this from my own subjective stand-point and that others may have found this morning's offering helpful.
I didn't hang around to find out ...
But to answer your questions ...
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Originally posted by Gamaliel:
What we had was a dog's breakfast.
Several things strike me about this.
1. Was this the only service today? Or were there other, more traditional, ones at other times?
2. Did the Vicar spring this format on you as a surprise, or were you forewarned? How was it announced?
3. Was this truly "Anglican"? Perhaps he is a closet nonconformist and doesn't want to be trammelled by set forms of worship.
4. Some people are good at putting together "alternative" services, some aren't. You need to have a "feel" for the flow of things - and edit out the bits that don't fit, however good you think they are. (Sadly you only know afterwards what you should have left out!)
5. It sounds as if he was trying to please everyone - and ended up not really pleasing anyone! Or did others think it was great?
6. He clearly felt he had to "put over the story" and "make people think". But perhaps the Liturgy should have been allowed to do that for itself - as it did in the excellent CofE service I attended last night.
(Etc., etc. ...).
1. It was the only service today in that particular parish church.
2. It was announced in advance as a Good Friday meditation. No other details. I've been to one there before about 3 years ago and I don't think that was eucharistic - more a set of readings and reflections - although with the obligatory PowerPoint slides and video clip ...
3. The vicar is a closet non-conformist. Before he was ordained he spent some time in a Baptist church because he couldn't find an Anglican one that was conducive near where he was living at that time. I was more 'Anglican' than he is when I was a Baptist ...
Seriously, he ought to be a Vineyard pastor or similar ...
4. Yes. Some people are good at putting together alternative worship services. This guy isn't. At least, not in my view.
5. No idea. I'll tell you what I thought was pants about it - among other things. He followed each scripture reading with a 'reflection' he'd written himself. Each of these consisted of a dramatic narrative describing an individual who was pleased with themselves for one reason or other ... and who defined 'success' in terms of money, power, popular acclaim, being 'understood' by others etc.
This was obviously meant to contrast with Christ's way of the Cross.
Fair enough, I could see where that was going but these distracted from the scriptural readings in my view and besides, in some of the scenarios the people he described could justifiably feel pleased with themselves and no-one but some kind of curmugeonly kill-joy could have blamed them for it ...
So it didn't 'work', because it came across as judgemental and pernickety.
6. Yes, but he didn't 'put over' the story, he distracted attention from it. They should have had the scripture readings and let them speak for themselves - or at least have a few 'glosses' to explain a few things if necessary. It's not as if anyone there wasn't a regular or somehow 'unchurched'. It didn't make me 'think' it nearly made me barf or make a bolt for the door ...
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We had a christianised passover meal on Thursday night - I know there has been debate on this on another thread, but I found it a good opportunity to relate Hebrew scripure to the Last Supper - followed by a church service, which should have been communion, but our vicar has the lurgie and so Darllenwr and two others stripped the sanctuary whilst the congregation read Psalm 22. The main lights were switched off, and we left the church and the church grounds in silence. We had some of the congregation from a local house church with us, and they were moved by it all.
Today, there was no communion in any of our three churches - an all age in the parish church, and devotional services in the two daughter churches. The next communion will be on Easter morning. (Hoping we don't catch the lurgie too!)
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Originally posted by Gamaliel:
I'm not saying that there's anything 'wrong' with the Lutheran position, simply that it feels strange.
* coughs politely *
What Lamb Chopped describes is not THE Lutheran position, Gamaliel. It's A Lutheran position. To take one person's experience and posit it as "THE" expression of the denomination is likely as misleading as describing "THE" Anglican liturgical practice on anything...
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I am at least as Lutheran as Lamb Chopped, and I think I've had a pretty wide variety of experience across the country and with various forms of 'churchmanship'. I can state that never have I ever, in all me born days, seen Good Friday communion in a Lutheran church.
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Originally posted by St. Gwladys:
...lurgie...
Can you provide a translation?
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Fair enough, Leaf, apologies for making that assumption ...
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We don't have that many Lutherans here in the UK so of all the older/historic churches it's the one that is least familiar to us.
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@Barefoot Friar - 'lurgy' - pronounced with a hard 'g' as in 'go' - 'lurg-ee' is a colloquial/comic British expression for any unknown or unspecified ailment.
It is often combined with 'dreaded' - 'He's gone down with the dreaded lurgy ...'
It derives from the popular 1950s radio show, The Goon Show, featuring Peter Sellars, Harry Seacombe and the mad, comic genius Spike Milligan.
Apparently, it was spelt 'lurgi' in the original script.
You can find out about the origins here:
http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-dre1.htm
It's a good example of a phrase or term invented for a radio or TV show that has gone on to enter common parlance.
Apparently, the US has been innoculated against the Dreaded Lurgi in the same way as we have been innoculated against 'cooties' and have no idea what Americans are on about when they use that particular term.
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Meanwhile, from what I experienced yesterday, whether it is canonically licit within the CofE or not, I can honestly say that I never, ever want to attend a Good Friday meditation at our local parish church ever, ever, ever again.
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Actually the 'three hours' traditional in Anglican churches, especially of the MOTR to low sort, was (maybe surprisingly) a Jesuit invention. It had no liturgy as such, apart from the readings on the Passion (usually the 'seven last words'), addresses based on them, and hymns.
The more liturgical pattern, whether based on BCP morning prayer - ante communion - evening prayer, or the Catholic passion-veneration-communion, is a comparatively recent phenomenon (post-liturgical movement anyway).
That does surprise me! I certainly never encountered it before swimming the Thames, and the (Anglican) parishes that do it are often the last ones you'd expect to have any kind of Ignatian influence.
I've never been, but St James' Cathedral in Toronto does it with Mattins as the first "hour", then Passion reading and Ante-Communion, and finally Evensong (at two o'clock!) with sermons at all three, as given in this pdf.
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Fair enough, Leaf, apologies for making that assumption ...
We don't have that many Lutherans here in the UK so of all the older/historic churches it's the one that is least familiar to us.
I am sorry but we do have Lutheran churches in the UK. They tend to be in large cities for starters here is one near you. They are a relatively small representation (even compared with the URC) and often conduct worship in German (but not always). I have been aware of them since childhood as I had a friends mother who was Lutheran (and used to travel to Leeds to worship).
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