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Posted by Uncle Pete (# 10422) on
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Happy New Year! = Bonne et heureuse année!
Just how many of us are here?
Posted by Welease Woderwick (# 10424) on
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Six billion or so a the last estimate.
Posted by Uncle Pete (# 10422) on
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If they were all Canadians, there would be peace on Earth, don't you think? We are all polite and we always say "Sorry".
Posted by Lothlorien (# 4927) on
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Unfortunately, Pete, there will usually be someone from these regions to throw a spanner in the works.
Posted by Sober Preacher's Kid (# 12699) on
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I'm still here. The PS went active with two job processes December, so I might end up in Ottawa at the end of the year, permanently.
Posted by marsupial. (# 12458) on
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Happy New Year everyone. I am mostly lurking these days, but still here.
Posted by Stetson (# 9597) on
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I haven't resided there for well over a decade, but am still very much Canadian.
Posted by Stercus Tauri (# 16668) on
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Never will be Canadian, but I like living here for now. Since the recent general election the atmosphere has quickly become a lot more agreeable - more like the Canada imagined by the rest of the world.
Posted by Augustine the Aleut (# 1472) on
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I have no complaints. After 3 days, the city has sent a plough down to clear the sidewalk.
Posted by Welease Woderwick (# 10424) on
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Originally posted by Augustine the Aleut:
I have no complaints. After 3 days, the city has sent a plough down to clear the sidewalk.
...of snow? drunks? people in wheelchairs?
Posted by Augustine the Aleut (# 1472) on
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Originally posted by Welease Woderwick:
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Originally posted by Augustine the Aleut:
I have no complaints. After 3 days, the city has sent a plough down to clear the sidewalk.
...of snow? drunks? people in wheelchairs?
all three!!
Posted by no prophet's flag is set so... (# 15560) on
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Hardly any to plow compared to most years.
Posted by Piglet (# 11803) on
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Happy new year one and all from over here in the mystic East.
We got about 6 inches of snow between Hogmanay and New Year's Day, and they've been merrily ploughing up and down our road off and on for most of the day.
Posted by sharkshooter (# 1589) on
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I pop in now and then. Usually don't post anything, though.
I hate Canadian winters, and hope that this one and the next will be the last I have to endure. Our plan is to spend the winters in Phoenix when we retire.
Posted by Trudy Scrumptious (# 5647) on
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I'm here from time to time, reading more than I post. When I do post it's usually about the weather here in Newfoundland, but piglet's generally got that covered.
Posted by Piglet (# 11803) on
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As I've only been here 12 years, I feel that I'm still something of a novice when it comes to Newfoundland winters. Although I appreciate getting the odd snow-day, I'm always relieved when we get some rain or fog to clear it away.
Posted by Uncle Pete (# 10422) on
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Ottawa was nice and mild today, but the wind was up. For tomorrow and Tuesday until further notice, as the weather report says, is frostbite advisory. We'll see. (And we don't need an Indian-based host to giggle and share his balmy temperatures)
Posted by Ferdzy (# 8702) on
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As always, I mostly read, but I too am still here.
Happy New Year to all.
I'm off for 2 weeks in rainy (apparently) Cuba tomorrow, for a much-needed break. At least it will be hot and muggy.
Posted by Piglet (# 11803) on
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Originally posted by Uncle Pete:
... we don't need an Indian-based host to giggle and share his balmy temperatures
I'll be honest - I'd rather have your frostbitey temperatures than my dear fellow-host's balmy ones.
Having said that, on the one occasion I spent any time in Ottawa (which I thoroughly enjoyed) it was February and extremely brrrr ...
Posted by Welease Woderwick (# 10424) on
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I think the correct term would actually be India-based - I think the "n" changes the meaning somewhat.
Anyway, since you ask, it was a pretty chilly night here - putting the digital thermometer-thingy on the balcony this morning shows a current temperature of 19.7°C so I'm expecting all sorts of moans from the locals about how cold it was - it will, hopefully, warm up when the sun gets a tad higher. I popped to see my friend M at his house the other evening and he had a big thick acrylic blanket on his bed, I just use a thin cotton one.
But we do have the bright, clear blue sky!
Posted by Leaf (# 14169) on
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Here in western Canada, it was a beautiful day - bright, sunny, and mild. It was so lovely that I didn't even sink into my traditional Sunday afternoon nap, but energized by the epiphanic light, I did some home chores instead.
I have to confess my masochistic enjoyment of WW's posts on this thread. He seems so nice, and yet is actually so evil. Glad you're here
Posted by Welease Woderwick (# 10424) on
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Thank you ma'am, I try my best.
Posted by Meg the Red (# 11838) on
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These days I'm an occasional lurker. Just popped in to wish everyone a wonderful New Year (even Wodders ).
Posted by Hail Mary (# 18531) on
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Salut from snowy Montreal.
Posted by Ecclesiastical Flip-flop (# 10745) on
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Happy New Year.
Posted by Og: Thread Killer (# 3200) on
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Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
Hardly any to plow compared to most years.
Wheelchairs got expensive.
Posted by Panda (# 2951) on
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I certainly consider myself Canadian, even if I am in Wales atm! So I'm more or less here too.
Posted by moonlitdoor (# 11707) on
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Does anyone know anything about St Mary's university Halifax, Nova Scotia ? A friend of mine from Chennai India is thinking of applying to do an MBA there.
Posted by lily pad (# 11456) on
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Originally posted by moonlitdoor:
Does anyone know anything about St Mary's university Halifax, Nova Scotia ? A friend of mine from Chennai India is thinking of applying to do an MBA there.
Yep, know lots and have lived nearby. Many friends who have graduated from that program. Feel free to pm.
Posted by lily pad (# 11456) on
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Moonlitdoor, I got your pm but your mailbox is full.
Posted by Piglet (# 11803) on
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It seems to get earlier every year, but Roll up the Rim is back.
My losing streak has started already ...
Posted by John Holding (# 158) on
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Ha! Ha!
First cup of coffee in the current RUTRTW season and got a free doughnut. Has to be used before next Wednesday, as I give up doughnuts for Lent.
John
[ 04. February 2016, 14:24: Message edited by: John Holding ]
Posted by Piglet (# 11803) on
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Isn't the whole point of RUTR that you don't give up doughnuts for Lent?
eta: that was a short losing streak: on my second attempt, I've gagnezed un café.
[ 04. February 2016, 15:17: Message edited by: Piglet ]
Posted by Uncle Pete (# 10422) on
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Originally posted by John Holding:
Ha! Ha!
First cup of coffee in the current RUTRTW season and got a free doughnut. Has to be used before next Wednesday, as I give up doughnuts for Lent.
John
No problem, just send it over to me.
Posted by Caissa (# 16710) on
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I got "please play again."
Posted by Uncle Pete (# 10422) on
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I gagnezed a tea! And on the day that I was gasping for another!
Posted by Uncle Pete (# 10422) on
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46 cm of snow today... so far. And it's still coming! I can't believe I went out this morning. It was awful then, and at least 3x worse at 18:15
Posted by Augustine the Aleut (# 1472) on
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52cm in Arborea, in Ottawa's west centre. Five shovellings today, and another scheduled before the evening news.
Posted by Piglet (# 11803) on
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I thought of you chaps when I saw the forecast on the Weather Channel this morning - stay safe!
Posted by Welease Woderwick (# 10424) on
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No comment.
Posted by Uncle Pete (# 10422) on
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And today I gagnezed another tea. I could get used to this!
The rim is all tucked away for Friday morning tea at the mall.
Posted by Piglet (# 11803) on
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I thought this might cheer the Ottawans* up.
Yes, in Britain, an inch of snow (two on higher ground ) constitutes "severe weather" and makes the news.
* is that the correct term for an inhabitant of the National Capital Region?
Posted by Uncle Pete (# 10422) on
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Originally posted by Piglet:
I thought this might cheer the Ottawans* up.
* is that the correct term for an inhabitant of the National Capital Region?
Considering what the rest of the country calls us,
that's pretty good! As for the Brits, I take comfort in the fact that it was the Scots who colonised the world, not those wussy English.
Posted by Augustine the Aleut (# 1472) on
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Ottawans is what the Canadian Press suggests, but Ottawavians is the older form (likely from the Latin adjectival Ottaviensis). The current French is Outouais/e. The porteña pastry chef at my favourite madeleines joint uses Ottouano/a -- I don't know if that's useful information.
Posted by Piglet (# 11803) on
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I like the idea of Ottaviensis - anything in Latin is OK in my book.
In other news, I gagnezed another café today.
Posted by Augustine the Aleut (# 1472) on
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Originally posted by Piglet:
I like the idea of Ottaviensis - anything in Latin is OK in my book.
In other news, I gagnezed another café today.
You may enjoy the curial Latin adjective for Whitehorse-- Equialbensis (whose new bishop is Peruvian-- even for Canadians, accustomed to immigrants in leadership roles, this was an interesting one). Montréal as Mariopolis, Kingston as Regiopolis (shouldn't it be Basileopolis??), and Charlottetown as Carolinapolis are nice enough, but it is Trois-Rivières as Trifluviania, Thunder Bay as Sinus Tonitralis, Mont-Laurier as Mons Laurei, and Sault Sainte Marie as Sancta Maria Ormensis that show a creative toponymical slant. Corner Brook and Labrador sounds more Gallic Wars-like as Rivulus Angularis et Terra Laboratoria. The poor Melkites might have the prize for the longest diocesan title in Canada-- Eparchia Sanctissimi Salvatoris Marianopolitansis Graecorum Melkitarum Catholicorum. This might even beat the Anglicans' Eastern Newfoundland and Labrador or even the Portmanteau Prize- winning Nova Scotia and Prince Edward Island, both of which flame out on the exotic-sounds factor.
Posted by Uncle Pete (# 10422) on
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To revert to weather - It is bl**dy dangerous at the moment in this part of Eastern Ontario. After reviewing the forecast for tomorrow, I cancelled my grocery shopping trip. AGAIN It is a good thing I am an inventive cook.
Posted by Augustine the Aleut (# 1472) on
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Originally posted by Uncle Pete:
To revert to weather - It is bl**dy dangerous at the moment in this part of Eastern Ontario. After reviewing the forecast for tomorrow, I cancelled my grocery shopping trip. AGAIN It is a good thing I am an inventive cook.
Indeed, within a 7km walk, I had snow, rain, and freezing rain drop upon me, and the last km put me ankle deep into annoying liquid slush. Dante might have written about the flames of hell, but I think rather it featured salty slush.
Posted by Piglet (# 11803) on
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I noticed your neck of the woods was getting another Honourable Mention on the Weather Channel.
Take care.
Posted by sharkshooter (# 1589) on
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Temperature stayed above freezing overnight, so we didn't get the significant freezing rain that was forecast.
Posted by Uncle Pete (# 10422) on
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Instead the city is posting "No Skinny dipping" signs in all the potholes. :
Posted by Lothlorien (# 4927) on
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Originally posted by Uncle Pete:
Instead the city is posting "No Skinny dipping" signs in all the potholes. :
Surely it is still a bit cold for that still?
We can send you some heat if you like. Over 40 deg C in outer suburbs and just under that at my place, much closer to the city. With high humidity. Summer's last hurrah, I hope.
[ 25. February 2016, 21:03: Message edited by: Lothlorien ]
Posted by Piglet (# 11803) on
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If you're sending that lot over, Loth, make sure it bypasses me and goes straight to Pete.
40°? With humidity???
**shudder**
Posted by Lothlorien (# 4927) on
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It is still muggy but cooler, a bit under 30. February is always humid but this seems worse than usual, although someone seems to say that every year.
I set the aircon to 25 and it was still more pleasant in my room last night with the humidity removed than outside in my hall. The temperature was supposedly the same. I even pulled the sheet over my back this morning.
Posted by Uncle Pete (# 10422) on
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Originally posted by Lothlorien:
It is still muggy but cooler, a bit under 30. February is always humid but this seems worse than usual, although someone seems to say that every year.
I set the aircon to 25 and it was still more pleasant in my room last night with the humidity removed than outside in my hall. The temperature was supposedly the same. I even pulled the sheet over my back this morning.
Are you taking lessons from your very annoying co-host??
Posted by Piglet (# 11803) on
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Originally posted by Uncle Pete:
Are you taking lessons from your very annoying co-host??
You talkin' 'bout me??
Posted by Uncle Pete (# 10422) on
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You are as pure as the driven snow, o honoured one. I was referring to the other, very annoying, host.
Posted by Lothlorien (# 4927) on
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At least I can hope autumn rolls in soon. Autumn where he is is not much.
Posted by Piglet (# 11803) on
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Originally posted by Uncle Pete:
You are as pure as the driven snow, o honoured one ...
You haven't seen the snow around these parts after a few weeks ...
Posted by Sober Preacher's Kid (# 12699) on
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Dear Meg:
I'm coming to Edmonton on April 8th and would like to have a Shipmeet. If you would be so kind as to check your PM's.
SPK.
Posted by Welease Woderwick (# 10424) on
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Originally posted by Uncle Pete:
You are as pure as the driven snow, o honoured one. I was referring to the other, very annoying, host.
Who can he mean?
Posted by Og: Thread Killer (# 3200) on
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Until the Annex and Christie Pits sees snow, the local CBC radio doesn't think its been winter yet.
So winter finally got here yesterday, we've now been told.
Mind you, not like we up in the inner suburbs have gotten that much. People were complaining about ankle deep snow and I just had to laugh.
On a side note, when it takes the average low wage earner over an hour to get to work in good weather, I'm happy we have had a mild winter. A lot of people were seeing parents they wouldn't normally see for most of winter.
Posted by John Holding (# 158) on
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I would congratulate a certain NCR-based shipmate on an, as yet undisclosable, honour to be received -- but that person's post box is full so I cannot.
You know who you are.
John
Posted by Sober Preacher's Kid (# 12699) on
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So what is this honour? It appears it was not a Senatorship, but surely the Order of Canada is still open?
Posted by John Holding (# 158) on
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I'm sure the recipient will let it be known in the fullness of time, but it's not related to the Order of Canada at all. And, as you say, not a senate seat.
I'd love to tell you, really, but it's not my news.
John
Posted by Uncle Pete (# 10422) on
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Another friggin' "winter storm"! My housekeeper has just cancelled her visit tomorrow. Who wants to bet that if I go to my phone there will be a text cancelling our meeting tonight, for the second time in a row?
Posted by Uncle Pete (# 10422) on
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Well, I got an email cancelling tonight. Although since the govmint has been sent home at noon, supposedly, it must be worse out there than it seems.
Still
Posted by Augustine the Aleut (# 1472) on
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With respect to the John Holding/SPK exchange, I am able now to note that I have just received permission to accept a Spanish decoration although sadly I may not use the title in Canada (although an unkind friend of mine, an aficionada of Trailer Park, says that I would be confused with Don the demented cousin of Bubbles). One of my Spanish friends assures me that the rosette on my hoody will get me a good table in a restaurant, but that I will have to address the waiter with egalitarian Trotskyite bonhomie.
Posted by Sober Preacher's Kid (# 12699) on
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A Hidalgo then, I take it.
If the order is of a chivalric nature, are we to be treated to the spectacle of you practising your jousting technique on Parliament Hill?
Posted by Augustine the Aleut (# 1472) on
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Originally posted by Sober Preacher's Kid:
A Hidalgo then, I take it.
If the order is of a chivalric nature, are we to be treated to the spectacle of you practising your jousting technique on Parliament Hill?
Lancing practice on senior officials is likely to do more good for Canada at this stage.
Posted by Piglet (# 11803) on
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Congratulations, Don A-the-A!
eta: do I have to curtsey while replying to your posts now?
[ 29. March 2016, 14:45: Message edited by: Piglet ]
Posted by Augustine the Aleut (# 1472) on
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Originally posted by Piglet:
Congratulations, Don A-the-A!
eta: do I have to curtsey while replying to your posts now?
Depends on your gender identification/assignment.
Posted by Sober Preacher's Kid (# 12699) on
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Originally posted by Augustine the Aleut:
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Originally posted by Sober Preacher's Kid:
A Hidalgo then, I take it.
If the order is of a chivalric nature, are we to be treated to the spectacle of you practising your jousting technique on Parliament Hill?
Lancing practice on senior officials is likely to do more good for Canada at this stage.
You can start with a certain Departmental HR Office of my acquaintance.
Posted by Augustine the Aleut (# 1472) on
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Originally posted by Sober Preacher's Kid:
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Originally posted by Augustine the Aleut:
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Originally posted by Sober Preacher's Kid:
A Hidalgo then, I take it.
If the order is of a chivalric nature, are we to be treated to the spectacle of you practising your jousting technique on Parliament Hill?
Lancing practice on senior officials is likely to do more good for Canada at this stage.
You can start with a certain Departmental HR Office of my acquaintance.
I have a special lance, named Petard, which is tipped with a potion from the Amazon basin. We'll see what we can do.
Posted by Piglet (# 11803) on
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Depending on what the potion's supposed to do, I might join the queue for borrowing it.
Posted by Sober Preacher's Kid (# 12699) on
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Speed things up would be nice. That office wouldn't voom if you put 50,000 volts through it.
A kick in the can for its various oversights would be nice.
Posted by Uncle Pete (# 10422) on
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By the waters of Babylon I sat down and wept.
There shall be weeping and wailing in the Outer darkness.
Is this the straw the broke the camel's back?
Not only is Rona sold to Lowe's, but most importantly, St. Hubert, a plucky little chicken chain, has been swallowed up by the Cara Conglomerate and Swiss Chalet. Is this the final resolution of the daggers-drawn fight between the two dipping sauces?
Only time will tell. If you see on-line petitions abounding, this will be the reason.
Posted by lily pad (# 11456) on
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The business reporter (I think that's who it was) on CBC this morning quipped that she hoped the outcome would be Swiss Chalet fries with St. Hubert dipping sauce.
Posted by Uncle Pete (# 10422) on
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BLASPHEMER
St Hubert fanatics claim that Swiss Chalet dipping sauce is the devil's urine. (Personally, it is one of the things that keep me firmly on the Swiss Chalet side). The Quebeckers and the Ottavians who have been brainwashed differ vociferously. One even claimed that there would be rioting in the streets if they mucked with it.
[ 02. April 2016, 12:39: Message edited by: Uncle Pete ]
Posted by Piglet (# 11803) on
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I've yet to discover the delights of St. Hubert (I'm fairly sure they don't extend this far to the mystic East), but I'm not a great fan of dipping sauces anyway. On the rare occasions when we go to a Swiss Chalet, I'm more likely to have a steak or pasta, and if I do have chicken I tend to ignore the sauce.
IMHO the only sauce needed for chips is either tomato ketchup or (when in Belgium) mayonnaise.
Posted by Hail Mary (# 18531) on
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Here in la belle province, St. Hubert is seen as being ours, and that's a big deal here.
Posted by no prophet's flag is set so... (# 15560) on
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Originally posted by Hail Mary:
Here in la belle province, St. Hubert is seen as being ours, and that's a big deal here.
That comment reminds me of when Rona bought out Revelstoke, but in reverse. Quebec company buying B.C. But then Rona is getting sold to American chain Lowes.
Posted by Hail Mary (# 18531) on
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That's a good comparison. In the meantime, I'm going to stock up on a few cans of St. Hubert poutine gravy, for sentimental value.
Posted by sharkshooter (# 1589) on
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I seem to be a couple days late in making my escape to the desert.
Posted by Og: Thread Killer (# 3200) on
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So, anybody east of BC seen spring yet?
Posted by Hail Mary (# 18531) on
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It snowed here in Montreal yesterday and today. Something about April being the cruelest month.
Posted by no prophet's flag is set so... (# 15560) on
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We had spring all winter on the prairies. It snowed 2 days ago and today I was out in shorts. Spring looks like a continuation.
Posted by Piglet (# 11803) on
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Originally posted by Og: Thread Killer:
So, anybody east of BC seen spring yet?
We saw it last week, but it buggered off.
Either that or, like in Monty Python and the Holy Grail, it gave summer and autumn a miss and went straight back into winter.
Posted by Og: Thread Killer (# 3200) on
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So I hear there's a job opening in Ottawa going?
Posted by lily pad (# 11456) on
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We woke up to winter then the sun came out this afternoon and almost all of the snow has melted. Crazy weather!
Posted by Piglet (# 11803) on
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That pretty much happened here on Wednesday, Lilypad - they were forecasting loads of snow, but it never really came to much, and disappeared pretty damn quick.
I may not be saying the same this time next year; D. and I are heading west*. He's been appointed organist of Fredericton Cathedral, so we'll have to get used to quite a bit more snow than we get here. No time frame as yet - we've got a house to sell - but any advice you folks can offer will be gratefully appreciated.
* well, from here, everywhere is west ...
Posted by Caissa (# 16710) on
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I wish Mulcair had done the honourable thing and resigned after the election. Yesterday was embarassing for both him and the Party.
Posted by Og: Thread Killer (# 3200) on
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There's a lot of denial going on in the federal NDP and Conservative ranks. I keep hearing variations on "The Libs duped the people."
This reminds me so much of what has gone on in Ontario since 2003. And what seems to go on in the States. The idea that people might disagree politically seems to be beyond the understanding of some.
Sad
Donald Trump stole that particular rhetorical flourish. I'd like to steal it back.
Posted by Sober Preacher's Kid (# 12699) on
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I was on the floor. There will be more fallout from this than just Mulcair's sacking. This will not be pretty.
Posted by Caissa (# 16710) on
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The next two years of examining the leap manifesto should be interesting. I think it will be quite modified if it ever gets adopted and reaches the level of the Regina Manifesto.
Posted by no prophet's flag is set so... (# 15560) on
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Classic Hegelian dialectic. By the time the CCF were in power in Sask they'd put the Regina Manifesto to practical tesr. They chose a few points which were politically sale-able to the province, and formed most of the provincial gov'ts for the next 50 years.
Their recent loss in Sask represents a failure to present anything other than 'against Brad Wall'.
Posted by Sober Preacher's Kid (# 12699) on
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Originally posted by Caissa:
The next two years of examining the leap manifesto should be interesting. I think it will be quite modified if it ever gets adopted and reaches the level of the Regina Manifesto.
That thing is DOA. The NDP is the provincial government in Alberta, and Alberta needs a pipeline. It has significant opposition, and if you think riding associations are actually going to study the manifesto, I have a bridge to sell you.
Posted by Caissa (# 16710) on
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Maybe study should have been put in quotation marks. I think cooler heads will prevail over the next 2 years.
Posted by no prophet's flag is set so... (# 15560) on
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I'd like to see a comparison of the Stephan Dion "Green Shift" pre-Ignatieff with the Leap Manifesto.
For what it's worth, I enjoy it when they call these things "manifesto", reminds me of communists partying.
Posted by no prophet's flag is set so... (# 15560) on
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Supreme Court extends rights to Métis and non-status Indians. Link. This is big news.
quote:
your vision lies hanging
From a rope, in a jail, in an English town....But you can hear Gabriel and Riel even yet-
They are whispering “You can win what once was lost”**.
- they did today.
(Connie Kaldor, Maria's Place - Batoche)
Posted by Og: Thread Killer (# 3200) on
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Shorts weather today here in the inner suburbs of Toronto. Of course in July we would call this day freezing.
Posted by lily pad (# 11456) on
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Freezing cold here yesterday morning - took the dog for a walk and wore full winter gear. By the afternoon, my two lawn rakers were in shirt sleeves. Very thankful to be keeping up with the neighbours this year. The week ahead looks very cool but I'm hoping the sun will surprise us.
[ 18. April 2016, 10:51: Message edited by: lily pad ]
Posted by Hail Mary (# 18531) on
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I had my first barbeque on the terrasse yesterday, and have a slight suntan. The feels-like temp was 23C. Hooray for Vitamin D!
In other news, this bit of shady business is going on: Honorary consul, an outspoken supporter of the Assad regime, was disciplined by Order of Pharmacists.
Posted by Lothlorien (# 4927) on
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In other news, this bit of shady business is going on: Honorary consul, an outspoken supporter of the Assad regime, was disciplined by Order of Pharmacists.
Hail Mary, the first part of your post was in keeping with All Saints support and national posts.
Did you have some plan for the part i have quoted? If you have some ideas for discussing it in the boundaries of All Saints, perhaps you could start a new thread outlining them. Or it may be that it is a Purgatory post, just wanting a challenge or question thrown out.
As it stands, it is something just tacked on your post about the weather there.
If you have a query about my comment, or want to discuss this further or see if a rewording etc is suitable, please PM me or another host, Piglet or WW. Thanks.
Lothlorien
AS Host.
[ 18. April 2016, 12:42: Message edited by: Lothlorien ]
Posted by Stercus Tauri (# 16668) on
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Three weeks ago I was wrestling with the snowblower to clear 5 inches of fresh snow from the drive. Two weeks ago the river was close to flooding. Today I was scratching mosquito bites, the geese have taken over the back garden, and tonight there are deafening frog noises from the pond. Spring was yesterday afternoon for a couple of hours after church, and today feels like summer. This is not a well-run climate here in Southern Ontario.
Posted by Hail Mary (# 18531) on
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I am confused. I am fairly new here and followed the form of the preceding posts, which were on political topics. I'm not clear why I am being singled out.
Posted by Lothlorien (# 4927) on
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Hail Mary, I am sorry you feel singled out. That was not my intention at all and I could see you are newish here.
As a host, I need to read each and any link posted here. I could see no relevance in your link to the Canadian thread. This is why I suggested you add a question to Shipmates, or a comment inviting discussion.
The fact that it is political has no bearing on my comment. You could have put a link as to why the sky is blue and hosts' reaction would have been the same if you made no comment or questions. Political links and questions are welcome, we are open to most discussion topics.
This is a discussion board. Why not try to state what you think about the topic in the link, repost the link and ask about others' feelings on it. It may take off into a lively thread, it may not. It is hard to foresee just how any topic is received by others here.
Hope your voyage is smooth here and that you enjoy the company of fellow Shipmates.
Lothlorien. AS Host
[ 19. April 2016, 04:19: Message edited by: Lothlorien ]
Posted by lily pad (# 11456) on
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Originally posted by Hail Mary:
In other news, this bit of shady business is going on: Honorary consul, an outspoken supporter of the Assad regime, was disciplined by Order of Pharmacists.
Hmmm.......that is news that I certainly didn't pick up on. It sure must be complicated for all the Syrians who have just come to Canada and for those helping them. I wonder if it was her actions that closed it or lingering Harper-ite thinking within the department? Are there many other consulates being closed these days in Montreal?
Posted by Augustine the Aleut (# 1472) on
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Originally posted by lily pad:
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Originally posted by Hail Mary:
In other news, this bit of shady business is going on: Honorary consul, an outspoken supporter of the Assad regime, was disciplined by Order of Pharmacists.
Hmmm.......that is news that I certainly didn't pick up on. It sure must be complicated for all the Syrians who have just come to Canada and for those helping them. I wonder if it was her actions that closed it or lingering Harper-ite thinking within the department? Are there many other consulates being closed these days in Montreal?
I caught it on the Radio-Canada news yesterday-- my guess is that it had to do with the Hon Consul doing pharmacy business with Syria, which is under sanctions, although sanctions usually exclude humanitarian provisions, such as medicine. It does create some practical trouble for Syrians wishing consular services, given the size of the community in Montréal. External Affairs (is it Global this week?) generally leaves consulates alone-- they used to hold training/informational sessions for new honorary consuls to brief them on the rules of the road, but I'm not sure if they still do.
Posted by no prophet's flag is set so... (# 15560) on
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Was in eastern Ontario with rain and single digit temps. Now heading west towards +30s and smoke. Heat records dropping everywhere in the west Apparently the tar/oil sands aren't threatened by forest fires. Just the people. If this is global warming's yearly visit, nobody knows the trouble we'll see.
Posted by Piglet (# 11803) on
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It does seem to be very early in the season for the temperatures to get up to those levels.
for all affected.
Posted by Caissa (# 16710) on
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It's cold in the Maritimes.
Posted by Uncle Pete (# 10422) on
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I am appalled by the fires in Fort McMurray. How frightening to evacuate an entire large town of over 20,000 inhabitants. ascending
Posted by no prophet's flag is set so... (# 15560) on
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There's 60-80,000 in Ft Mac but I think the 20,000 is the evac number. So far. Peace River and Fort St John in BC are also in trouble.
Posted by lily pad (# 11456) on
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Latest reports are that 88,000 have been evacuated from the area. CBC radio coverage has been outstanding. Fort McMurray is a city like no other - everyone in Canada must have a family member or neighbour who lives there. This fire is not over. Here's to all the people working to stop it and to mitigate the damage to the community.
Posted by Gee D (# 13815) on
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The latest I was able to see said that over 53,000 had been evacuated. Even that figure well exceeds any fire evacuation here. It has just hit me that 88,000 is not that far from the numbers killed by the first A bomb at Hiroshima and more than those at Nagasaki. 1,600 buildings burned, but amazingly no lives lost. This last shows a great effort from all the emergency services.
Posted by no prophet's flag is set so... (# 15560) on
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Heard about my cousin's 2 adult kids. They are stuck on the highway toward Edmonton and expecting to spend the night with all the others. But safe.
On sunnier news my daughter tried to complete the census, but apparently nearly all Canadians ran to their computers and crashed the website. Are we all computer nerds in Cda? So she needs to have her disgruntledment regruntled. So we had ice cream in the evening at +31°C seems odd for this time of year. We had snow this time last year.
Posted by no prophet's flag is set so... (# 15560) on
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I wonder how far the smoke is travelling. I'm about 600 km away as the crow flies. It is thick here now. We're advised to reduce outdoor activities.
Posted by Twilight (# 2832) on
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My news described the area burned as the size of New York City including all five boroughs. The news footage of people driving past enormous walls of fire are just incredible.
Praise God no one has been killed and they've all been evacuated in time. Canadians must be more obedient to authority figures than we are in the U. S. Don't you have any stubborn old codgers who feel no need to leave their home because they hosed down the roof?
I love seeing all the evacuees with their dogs.
Posted by Sober Preacher's Kid (# 12699) on
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Fort Mac is a boomtown, so there are so few old enough to be in that category.
Nothing to be smug about. The place is a cinder.
Posted by Piglet (# 11803) on
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A friend here in St. John's posted this link on FB, and I think I can see where the author is coming from.
It may be that from the horror of the fires, something good will emerge for the local economy: as the saying goes, it's an ill wind that blows nobody any good.
Posted by Uncle Pete (# 10422) on
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Tregedy upon tragedy as the CBC says. . Poor girl. Imagine a fire within a fire.
Posted by Piglet (# 11803) on
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That's awful - poor girl. May she rest in peace.
Posted by Uncle Pete (# 10422) on
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I am afraid to check the news these days. It goes from bad to worse. I understand that there will be a massive airlift. WestJet and AirNorth are sending dozens of planes up, and the fire boundaries are constantly shifting. Even places of refuge are no longer. Syrian families recently located in Fort McMurray are on the move again. Calgary Syrians are giving what little they have to the relief effort. As are all of us who are sitting helpless in the South and able to do so.
God have mercy on us all. Stop the Fiendfyre and send monsoons of rain,
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Posted by Piglet (# 11803) on
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I have a rather trivial question on the subject of etiquette.
As part of the 175th anniversary celebrations of the theological college where D. teaches, we're invited to an early-evening reception with the Lieutenant-Governor of Newfoundland and Labrador. As far as I know, no dress-code has been specified, but does anyone here have experience of such events?
We used to know an elderly gentleman (sadly no longer with us) who regularly went to the L-G's annual garden party, and wore a morning-coat (although I suspect he was much in the minority).
I'd like to get it more-or-less right.
Posted by Welease Woderwick (# 10424) on
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Snow shoes, full Inuit rig out [with hood definitely up] - or rubber boots, oilskins and sou' wester?
Well, I am trying to help.
Posted by Pigwidgeon (# 10192) on
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Where is Sine Nomine when we need him?
Posted by Uncle Pete (# 10422) on
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Piglet - if dress code is not specified -black tie, medals and the like - suit and tie or appropriate dress is about safe as you can be.
I once met HMQ at Government House in Ottawa. The invitation stated that uniforms and medals or lounge suits were perfectly acceptable. As a serving member of Scouts Canada, I wore full dress uniform with medals. My companion took opportunity to dress up. Other ladies wore hats, and elderly ladies were in gloves. You decide where you fit.
Posted by no prophet's flag is set so... (# 15560) on
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There is a position called something protocolish on LG staffs which will welcome a phone call to ask.
Posted by Piglet (# 11803) on
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Thanks, gentlemen (and Pigwidgeon). D. picked up the physical invitations and there was no code specified, so we're thinking lounge suit for him, smart summer-wedding-guest outfit (sans hat as I don't possess one) for me.
Sadly, the temperature is set to plummet from a pleasant 18° to about 5°, which is unfortunate, but not quite enough to justify Wodders' recommendation ...
Posted by Augustine the Aleut (# 1472) on
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Early evening reception would be lounge suit for men and those identifying as male, but one could get away with dress pants, jacket and tie. Women, business wear or wedding-guest-like dress. My protocol friends tell me that traditional dress is also appropriate, which makes room for cassock, sealskin parkas and shalwar kameez and permits the tie-wearer to substitute beaded or braided neckwear.
Posted by Piglet (# 11803) on
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Thanks, A. the A. In the end I wore a summer dress with a long jacket, and judging by the other ladies present, I felt that I'd got it about right.
Having said that, although it had turned decidedly chilly outside, it was bl**dy hot in the L-G's residence, so the summer dress was definitely a good idea.
It was an enjoyable do, with very decent wine (NZ Sauvignon Blanc), but the food was sparse to say the least. A waitress only came anywhere near us once and, thinking she might be back, I just took a cracker with smoked salmon and cream cheese, which was delicious but microscopic.
Posted by Mamacita (# 3659) on
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What is a lounge suit? Is it what we in the US would call a sport coat? I confess I'm picturing a 70s-style leisure suit but I'm sure you don't mean that!
Posted by Uncle Pete (# 10422) on
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Customary suit of matching tie and trousers worn by men during the business day; a sport coat would be much too casual in such company.
What do you call a lounge suit, then?
Posted by Pigwidgeon (# 10192) on
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A business suit? Seems more appropriate since it's not worn for lounging.
Posted by Piglet (# 11803) on
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A lounge suit as I understand it is a matching jacket and trousers; if there's a matching waistcoat, that makes it a three-piece suit.
At this particular function, a goodly proportion of the gentlemen (and a few of the ladies) were clergy, so they were in clerical day-wear.
Posted by Mamacita (# 3659) on
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What Pigwidgeon said.
Posted by Augustine the Aleut (# 1472) on
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In recent years, invitations read business dress / tenue de ville or sometimes just tenue de ville. I always like that phrase as it was flexible and acknowledged the reality that most folk were coming from work and would not have time to change again. It also reminded me of this cover of Cruella de Vil.
Posted by sharkshooter (# 1589) on
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Played golf last Monday - wind chill was -1C when we teed off. This Monday temperature reached 29C. I think we forgot Spring this year. We certainly didn't get the rain we needed. Not sure how the farmers will deal with that.
Posted by Piglet (# 11803) on
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I know what you mean, Sharkshooter - a week or two ago it was hovering around the 0° mark here, and today it's supposed to go up to 24° but feeling like 30 with the humidex.
Oh yes, and back down to about 5° at the weekend ...
Never a dull moment, eh?
Posted by Stercus Tauri (# 16668) on
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My well-shaded thermometer currently alleges 28°C and a "special air quality statement" has been issued telling us that the air is unfit to breathe because of the ozone.
I parked outside a hospital this morning in this stuff and saw clusters of staff out there puffing away furiously on their cigarettes.
Posted by Og: Thread Killer (# 3200) on
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Anybody else click on the "Why Justin Why?" thread in purgatory wondering "Oh, what now?"?
Posted by Caissa (# 16710) on
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Yep, Og. Trudeau fils was my first guess.
Posted by Og: Thread Killer (# 3200) on
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Strawberries and thunderstorms.
Summer must be here.
Posted by Stercus Tauri (# 16668) on
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32°C here today and then it rained. That's more than 30 degrees above my comfort zone. We're breathing saturated steam - fine if you are a locomotive.
Posted by Piglet (# 11803) on
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We're supposed to go up to 25° today, but with a Humidex of 30.
uncomfortable piglet
Posted by Caissa (# 16710) on
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Overcast and cool in Saint John. I played some sunny and windy tennis last night.
Posted by Uncle Pete (# 10422) on
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Mail deliverers may be locked out by Management at Midnight on July 2d. 72 hours notice must be given. Statutory Holidays not counted. Of course, the big mailers were warned some days ago, but it wasn't until this morning the media picked up on it. Those poor suppliers of medical marijuana who use Canada Post to deliver. Those poor sick people!
We will see. Doubtless management will have been bargaining in bad faith. But that won't stop them from spinning the tale of those greedy postmen. 'Twas ever thus.
Posted by ThunderBunk (# 15579) on
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In case it hasn't already occurred to the collective Canadian consciousness, I would recommend standing by to receive a number of refugees from a small island in the north Atlantic.
Posted by Uncle Pete (# 10422) on
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Only part of an island, surely? An insignificant part. Not even original colonisers. The Irish and Scots here will band to keep them out.
Posted by Leorning Cniht (# 17564) on
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Originally posted by ThunderBunk:
In case it hasn't already occurred to the collective Canadian consciousness, I would recommend standing by to receive a number of refugees from a small island in the north Atlantic.
I was wondering in an idle moment whether Scotland should seek independence from the UK and apply to become a province of Canada.
Shared history, shared Queen, shared love of throwing rocks on frozen lakes and calling it a sport. Both have ambivalent relations with a larger southern neighbour...
Posted by ThunderBunk (# 15579) on
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Originally posted by Leorning Cniht:
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Originally posted by ThunderBunk:
In case it hasn't already occurred to the collective Canadian consciousness, I would recommend standing by to receive a number of refugees from a small island in the north Atlantic.
I was wondering in an idle moment whether Scotland should seek independence from the UK and apply to become a province of Canada.
Shared history, shared Queen, shared love of throwing rocks on frozen lakes and calling it a sport. Both have ambivalent relations with a larger southern neighbour...
Political asylum in the newly independent Scotland is the alternative.
Posted by no prophet's flag is set so... (# 15560) on
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Also: needing little excuse to fire up the bagpipes.
Posted by Og: Thread Killer (# 3200) on
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Originally posted by Uncle Pete:
Mail deliverers may be locked out by Management at Midnight on July 2d. 72 hours notice must be given. Statutory Holidays not counted. Of course, the big mailers were warned some days ago, .....
I guess I'm a really big mailer cause I first heard about this possibility back in early March.
Shame cause UPS and the other companies have all gone to a 1 try to a residence and then they have to hoof it to a depot thing, with most of their depots being way out on the outskirts of town, if not in another county. This is really bad in Montreal where so many people live in Apartments and the item can't be left while the depot's are all out near the airport.
Canada Post, although I have issues with its bureaucracy, at least has a local option - if ur not at home, go down to the local Shopper's Drug Mart and get your package. That and their business customer service is actually available on weekends, answers promptly and is diligent. After years of being told Canada Post's customer service is poor, I have been shocked to experience quite the opposite.
If I had a choice as to which of our courier companies I would not want to go on strike, it would be Canada Post.
Posted by Piglet (# 11803) on
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Originally posted by Leorning Cniht:
I was wondering in an idle moment whether Scotland should seek independence from the UK and apply to become a province of Canada.
Shared history, shared Queen, shared love of throwing rocks on frozen lakes and calling it a sport. Both have ambivalent relations with a larger southern neighbour...
That might make our applications for Canadian citizenship go a bit more smoothly ...
Thanks for the heads-up regarding the postmen's strike, folks - we've got Permanent Residence renewal forms to send off.
Posted by Welease Woderwick (# 10424) on
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One of the many advantages of being pretty ancient is that when I was granted permanent residence over here I was told that it never has to be renewed; I've got it until I shuffle off my mortal coil...
...and I am still nowhere near as old as Pete!
Posted by Augustine the Aleut (# 1472) on
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Originally posted by Leorning Cniht:
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Originally posted by ThunderBunk:
In case it hasn't already occurred to the collective Canadian consciousness, I would recommend standing by to receive a number of refugees from a small island in the north Atlantic.
I was wondering in an idle moment whether Scotland should seek independence from the UK and apply to become a province of Canada.
Shared history, shared Queen, shared love of throwing rocks on frozen lakes and calling it a sport. Both have ambivalent relations with a larger southern neighbour...
The easiest thing would be to join Scotland on to our newest province, with a few tweakings of the Constitution Act, and rename it Newfoundland and Labrador and Scotland. Or we could just name it Vetera Scotia.
I have to get my last items in the mail tomorrow for a possible Thursday delivery (feasible within Ottawa) as Friday is Dominion Day. The overseas material can be mailed on Wednesday to make it out of the country. If it goes on for a while, I will be deprived of my TLS...
Posted by Sober Preacher's Kid (# 12699) on
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Surely Nova Scotia would object on principle.
The problem is that Scotland has a different legal system that's actually a better fit for Quebec. The Scots criminal law system would have to go, though.
But I come back to annexation to Nova Scotia, surely Cape Breton would be beside itself, in more ways than one.
Posted by Piglet (# 11803) on
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Originally posted by Augustine the Aleut:
... Or we could just name it Vetera Scotia ...
Scotia Occidentis?
Posted by John Holding (# 158) on
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Trouble is, is it the Scots who want to stay in Europe who'll be leaving the UK in disgust, or the ones who'll want to leave an independent Scotland because it's staying in. Can't see that Canada would help either lot, myself.
John
Posted by Caissa (# 16710) on
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Especially after President Trump abrogates NAFTA.
Posted by Uncle Pete (# 10422) on
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Happy Dominion Day tomorrow!
Posted by Caissa (# 16710) on
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The Anglican Dioceses of Ottawa and Montreal are going to move ahead with same-sex marriages.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/anglican-diocese-ottawa-same-sex-marriage-1.3673521
[ 12. July 2016, 18:39: Message edited by: Caissa ]
Posted by John Holding (# 158) on
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Caissa --
As a host in Dead Horses, I would welcome seeing this link where it belongs.
As I'm not a host here is All Saints, I can merely point out that discussion of Dead Horse topics belongs...in Dead Horses!
John
Posted by Piglet (# 11803) on
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I've taken the liberty of copying Caissa's post as the start of a new thread in Dead Horses; there are other threads dealing with SSM in other branches of the church, so I've started a new one for the Anglican Church of Canada.
Piglet, AS host
Posted by Og: Thread Killer (# 3200) on
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Is it a Dead Horse topic to talk about it now that the whole issue has been reversed and allowed based on the Anglican version of a hanging chad?
Posted by Piglet (# 11803) on
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Probably.
Posted by Caissa (# 16710) on
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Can I get an explanation as to the limitation of Canadian topics to be discussed in this thread? I had no intent to cross some line.
Posted by Piglet (# 11803) on
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It wasn't so much a limitation on "Canadian topics" as the topic of same-sex marriage (wherever it happens) being very specifically a Dead Horses topic.
As I said above, because there are threads in DH dealing with the subject in other parts of the Church (specifically the US and Scottish Episcopal churches), it seemed appropriate that any discussion of the topic as it applies in Canada would get a thread there as well.
I hope this answers your question.
Piglet, AS host
Posted by Caissa (# 16710) on
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Thanks, Piglet. It answers my question.
Posted by Og: Thread Killer (# 3200) on
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This makes me wonder:
What would be a "Dead Horses" discussion for most Canadians (non Ship types)?
What do we discuss to death to the point of it getting in the way of having conversations about anything else?
Posted by Uncle Pete (# 10422) on
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Originally posted by Og: Thread Killer:
This makes me wonder:
What would be a "Dead Horses" discussion for most Canadians (non Ship types)?
What do we discuss to death to the point of it getting in the way of having conversations about anything else?
The weather and hockey. Hot day, eh?
Posted by Stetson (# 9597) on
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Originally posted by Og: Thread Killer:
This makes me wonder:
What would be a "Dead Horses" discussion for most Canadians (non Ship types)?
What do we discuss to death to the point of it getting in the way of having conversations about anything else?
"Why isn't Quebec ever satisfied?"
"Canadians really love their Tim Hortons."
[^ As distinct from talking about how much you, yourself, actually love Tim Hortons, which strangely enough doesn't get nearly as much chin time.]
"Lemme tell ya, we'd be a bloody military superpower by now if that miserable SOB hadn't scrapped the Greatest Plane Ever Developed."
Posted by Piglet (# 11803) on
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Originally posted by Uncle Pete:
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Originally posted by Og: Thread Killer:
This makes me wonder:
What would be a "Dead Horses" discussion for most Canadians (non Ship types)?
What do we discuss to death to the point of it getting in the way of having conversations about anything else?
The weather and hockey. Hot day, eh?
Good point, Pete.
We're heading off tomorrow for our move to Fredericton (D. starts his new job on Sunday) and, like a good would-be Canadian, I checked the Environment Canada weather web-site for the next few days there ...
29° but feeling like 35 with the Humidex.
Posted by no prophet's flag is set so... (# 15560) on
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The Toronto Maple Leafs are a dead horse in several omnipresent funereal ways.
Posted by Piglet (# 11803) on
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As a CFA, I couldn't possibly comment.
Posted by Caissa (# 16710) on
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Good luck in Fredericton, Piglet. Remember I am only 100 kms down the road.
Posted by Piglet (# 11803) on
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Thanks, Caissa - hope to catch up sometime, and if you're in Fredericton of a Sunday, do pop in to the Cathedral and say hello.
Posted by sharkshooter (# 1589) on
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All the best with the move, Piglet! Herringchokers are generally a friendly bunch - I'm sure they will be welcoming.
Posted by Caissa (# 16710) on
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On Sundays we are usually worshipping in the Parish of Portland in Saint John. We do sometimes come up to Freddy Beach on a Saturday to go to the market. When I was a student in F'ton, I worshipped at Christ Church Parish Church.
Posted by no prophet's flag is set so... (# 15560) on
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On the weekend at our cabin, we had pillow clouds like these, followed by torrential rain of about 2" in 45 minutes and hail about the size of cherries. South and west of us, Yorkton, Saskatchewan got tennis ball sized hail and 2 tornados: Link. Rain again today, and report of additional tornados, though we are back from the area.
Posted by Piglet (# 11803) on
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We had some pretty good thunder and lightning this afternoon, along with a spot of fairly heavy rain, which felt as if it had cleared the air a bit, but they're still forecasting for it to go up to 30°C with a Humidex of 37 tomorrow.
Posted by Lothlorien (# 4927) on
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Join in singing Happy Birthday to Pete on the birthday thread!
Posted by Piglet (# 11803) on
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Absolutely.
Posted by Og: Thread Killer (# 3200) on
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Half way through August?!?!
Where'd it go?
But, as I say at work, I'm still wondering where the 90's went.
Posted by Piglet (# 11803) on
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I know what you mean, Og - D's niece is getting married next weekend - how on earth did she get to be old enough for that???
Posted by Og: Thread Killer (# 3200) on
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Didn't know where else to put this.
If all of Canada tuned into the Tragically Hip concert last night, and neither me nor anybody I know did, am I still Canadian?
(Actually my wife and I tried to listen at one point last night but after about 5 songs my wife and I remembered why we don't really like that band - certain lyrics are great but other things, in particular his singing, just do not engage us musically)
Like I think its sad when anybody has cancer. And I think its sad when any artist stops doing what they do. And I think its great that the CBC could play that last concert for so many people so they could deal with their grief.
And in theory I'm the demographic that should be right into that thing - small city raised, white, college or university educated, same age as Downie actually, was into indie music back in the late 80's and still is interested in indie music today.
But not only wasn't I ever really interested in the Tragically Hip, I also recognise that my country isn't completely like the people who were celebrating last night. Self awareness I suppose. And yet...I heard a lot of lack of self awareness about that concert. There were memes running around about this being a good time for somebody to invade, or sneak over, or sorry we are busy and will get back to you tomorrow. And there was also a lot of "So proud to be Canadian" stuff being said.
I understand the whole grieving of what will no longer be thing. What we are seeing is a longer version of what happens when an artist dies unexpectedly - the art stops - no more art will come. And part of that is wanting to be together with a group and recognise the communal grief. Its why people drop off flowers at a shrine for a dead artist, its why people watch and read and listen at those times. The need to deal with the loss is easier when others acknowledge that loss. And I know that in times of personal grief, we wonder why the rest of the world isn't grieving with us. When my Dad died, I wondered for a bit how people could not know that somebody around them was grieving.
So I get the need to do a communal grief thing.
But when people start assuming the whole of the country is like them, I get worried that maybe we are not as far along on the acceptance of others spectrum as we think we are. From what I was seeing and hearing a lot of people were assuming that everybody wanted to be there, that everybody knows who that band is, that everybody will miss the music. In fact, a certain demographic within Canada tends to like their music. And what I struggle with is that demographic is largely white, overwhelmingly university educated, and largely suburban or small town. It doesn't represent a whole chunk of the country (just as I know I and my lack of interest in the Tragically Hip does not represent a whole chunk of the country). So, what people were proud of last night was not something quintessentially Canadian but something quintesentially who they are.
Admittedly, the view expressed were not as as the ads on Rogers channels suggesting hockey has defined Canada and therefore watch these hockey games coming up because they have spent billions on it and their shareholders might get cross.
I guess I saw a lot of lack of self awareness last night. I saw a lot of people very proud of their country and very proud to like this band that other countries do not know of. But the Tragically Hip did not, does not and will not define what the whole of this country is - it can't because this country is more diverse then the group of people that I saw celebrating last night. And I'm not saying the Hip think they represent everything about Canada.
I just think sometimes we havn't come that far in cultural awareness when a large chunk of the country, a chunk which frankly has a lot of privilege, thinks what it is doing communally is what everybody is doing.
[ 21. August 2016, 13:07: Message edited by: Og: Thread Killer ]
Posted by no prophet's flag is set so... (# 15560) on
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I tried to listen as well. I think it's maybe a younger crowd. I don't actually know any of their songs, and to my, it all sounds the same.
And now I'm channelling 1972 and my parents. My wife pointed out the April Wine, Lighthouse and Sass Jordan played at the Saskatoon Exibition a week ago. Could sing one song to her only, don't recall any others. , in the morning before her coffee: One Fine Morning Girl I Wake Up.... to have it remain a fine morning, I had to stop.
Posted by Stetson (# 9597) on
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Underlying all the recent nationalist canonization of the Tragically Hip is the claim that they somehow represent the spirit of Canada unlike any other band. But it's not clear to me why the same thing couldn't be said about, for example, The Guess Who or Rush.
It always seems to come around to someone pointing out that they never made it big in the US. Which is kind of an odd way to judge their Canadian-ness. Was Elvis any less American because he was popular in other countries as well? The Beatles any less British?
Basically, people seem to be using the Tragically Hip as a case study to say "See? There are some things that Canadians like that Americans don't, therefore, we're a different culture". Which I suppose is true, as far as it goes, but it seems like the wrong way to judge a band, or for that matter, that band's connection to the larger culture.
[ 21. August 2016, 16:33: Message edited by: Stetson ]
Posted by Stetson (# 9597) on
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Admittedly, the view expressed were not as [Projectile] as the ads on Rogers channels suggesting hockey has defined Canada and therefore watch these hockey games coming up because they have spent billions on it and their shareholders might get cross.
I think the pukiest example I've seen of that sorta thing was an advertising flier circulated by one of the Big 5 banks, advising people to save money(through using the bank's services, of course). The gist of the pitch was that Candians used to be thrifty, but are now not so much so. It opened(roughly)...
"There are some things that are really Canadian. Hockey, touques, Double Doubles..."
(emphasis mine)
I think it was the only time in my life that I've seen one corporation advertise another corporation's product(*), without it being part of a formal tie-in campaign.
(*) To the extent that a coffee with two servings of sugar and two servings of milk even counts as a distinct product.
Posted by Stetson (# 9597) on
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But when people start assuming the whole of the country is like them, I get worried that maybe we are not as far along on the acceptance of others spectrum as we think we are. From what I was seeing and hearing a lot of people were assuming that everybody wanted to be there, that everybody knows who that band is, that everybody will miss the music. In fact, a certain demographic within Canada tends to like their music. And what I struggle with is that demographic is largely white, overwhelmingly university educated, and largely suburban or small town. It doesn't represent a whole chunk of the country (just as I know I and my lack of interest in the Tragically Hip does not represent a whole chunk of the country). So, what people were proud of last night was not something quintessentially Canadian but something quintesentially who they are.
Colby Cosh respectfully argues that the Tragically Hip were largely reflective of southern Ontario culture.
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Sorry, just to avoid confusion, the bit I quoted above is from Og, not Cosh. I thought Og's quote made a good segue into Cosh's observations.
Posted by Uncle Pete (# 10422) on
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Until whoever it was who got brain cancer, I didn't even know that there was such a group. Given that you can survive brain cancer after surgical intervention for a few more good years, as my neighbour did, what will happen when the 2016 Farewell tour segues into the 2017 or possibly even the 2018 one?
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Originally posted by Uncle Pete:
Until whoever it was who got brain cancer, I didn't even know that there was such a group. Given that you can survive brain cancer after surgical intervention for a few more good years, as my neighbour did, what will happen when the 2016 Farewell tour segues into the 2017 or possibly even the 2018 one?
Probably the same thing that happened when The Who did their "farewell tour" in '82(CBC made a big deal about their last show being in Toronto, though I doubt that was anything more than a scheduling decision), and then got back together for Live Aid in '85, some awards show in '87, another tour of the UK and North America in '89, and, well, the rest is history.
In other words, the fans will just say "Cool, the band is touring again", and forget how weepy they all got during the farewell.
Posted by Og: Thread Killer (# 3200) on
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Yeah I did notice a correlation between liking this band and discussion about going to the cottage.
I like the one line in that article
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The Hip are a sweaty, churning bar band, crankily averse to technical virtuosity, fronted by a freaky, funky beatnik who dances like even God could not possibly be watching. They are grinding, industrial urbanity trying to escape itself, consoling itself with talk of the sea and the stars.
Posted by Augustine the Aleut (# 1472) on
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An enthusiastic and appreciative professor friend, currently exiled in The Asylum of South Carolina, called me to express her enthusiasm for someone who spoke for all of Canada, and I had to gently mention that il n'a pas chanté en français-- pas un mot.
While I am in the Hip's demographic, I never warmed to their music and, when I watched the broadcast, I cannot say that I knew or much liked any of the songs. However I was able to catch the strong emotion in the crowd and, much like Oliver Schroer's Farewell to Earth tour before he died, I appreciated that the artist was going full blast with his talent as long as he could.
Some years ago, I heard him play as the one-man accompaniment to a dance friend's performance, and I looked for a repeat of that, but it was clearly a one-off event, and suited an even smaller demographic; but I'll still keep it in my memory.
Posted by no prophet's flag is set so... (# 15560) on
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First hard frost last night. Long sleeves for my outing with the dog at first light.
Posted by Welease Woderwick (# 10424) on
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Is it snowing in Ottawa yet, Pete?
Posted by Stetson (# 9597) on
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Augustine wrote:
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While I am in the Hip's demographic
I've been thinking about their music, and how, despite claims about it representing some sort of Deep Canada, it really was pretty typical of the alternative sound that was popular in the late 80s and early 90s, ultimately seguing into grunge.
And then it occured to me that the band they really resembled was REM. The tone and mood of the respective bands are almost identical. Though I'll admit that the Hip had more coherent lyrics.
Posted by no prophet's flag is set so... (# 15560) on
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I was much more interested in SOTW (Spirit of the West). The whole Celtic revival rock thing, and the tragedy of John Mann's early onset Alzheimer's a couple of years ago. They are about the same era or a wee bit earlier, and much more tuneful: songs I can hum and know the words. We saw them first in the West End Cultural Centre in Winnipeg in the mid-1980s just before they released Labour Day.
Posted by Stetson (# 9597) on
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Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
I was much more interested in SOTW (Spirit of the West). The whole Celtic revival rock thing, and the tragedy of John Mann's early onset Alzheimer's a couple of years ago. They are about the same era or a wee bit earlier, and much more tuneful: songs I can hum and know the words. We saw them first in the West End Cultural Centre in Winnipeg in the mid-1980s just before they released Labour Day.
Yeah, I saw them play at a political campaign rally in the '88 election. You can guess which party.
I agree they were good, but I've been thinking lately about how Celtic Revival passed its best-before date about twenty years ago. I can only take so many songs in which an Irishman brags about how drunk he is.
[ 30. August 2016, 23:12: Message edited by: Stetson ]
Posted by Sober Preacher's Kid (# 12699) on
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Rookie.
Posted by Og: Thread Killer (# 3200) on
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Originally posted by Stetson:
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Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
I was much more interested in SOTW (Spirit of the West). The whole Celtic revival rock thing, and the tragedy of John Mann's early onset Alzheimer's a couple of years ago. They are about the same era or a wee bit earlier, and much more tuneful: songs I can hum and know the words. We saw them first in the West End Cultural Centre in Winnipeg in the mid-1980s just before they released Labour Day.
Yeah, I saw them play at a political campaign rally in the '88 election. You can guess which party.
I agree they were good, but I've been thinking lately about how Celtic Revival passed its best-before date about twenty years ago. I can only take so many songs in which an Irishman brags about how drunk he is.
We have every CD Big Country ever made but I also have on my Spotify a certain this decade era band called Twin Atlantic - unabashedly rock and roll and they kept their Glasgow accents.
Celtic rock and roll from the actual Celtic countries was always more rock then Celtic and morphed into Snow Patrol and Elbow.
As the Song says, there's none more Scots then the Scots Abroad, and its amazing how the Scots abroad focus on getting drunk rather then living.
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Posted by Og: Thread Killer (# 3200) on
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In after the edit:
I meant that last bit about Scots musically, not about all Scots abroad in general.
The poster boy for Celtic rock "drinking is what we sing about" is the Us Irish punk band the Mahones.
Posted by no prophet's flag is set so... (# 15560) on
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There's bar bands and those you go to see at a concert. Some make the leap between and sound good where you're sober. We liked Great Big Sea for a spell. Not as good later.
Posted by Piglet (# 11803) on
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Originally posted by Og: Thread Killer:
... I meant that last bit about Scots musically, not about all Scots abroad in general ...
That's just as well - see you, Jimmy!*
* To quote the great Billy Connolly: "As you may know, everyone in Glasgow is called Jimmy. Even the women".
Posted by Og: Thread Killer (# 3200) on
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Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
There's bar bands and those you go to see at a concert. Some make the leap between and sound good where you're sober. We liked Great Big Sea for a spell. Not as good later.
When I saw my Dad alive for the last time, my wife and my daughter and I got into the car to drive away and I put on Great Big Seas's "Turn".
I still cry when it plays.
That's the thing about music - time and place. Which is why I think a lot of people who were at a certain place and time in their lives when they heard Spirit of the West or the Tragically Hip lament the passing.
Posted by Sober Preacher's Kid (# 12699) on
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They've found the other Franklin ship, HMS Terror
Posted by Og: Thread Killer (# 3200) on
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Originally posted by Sober Preacher's Kid:
They've found the other Franklin ship, HMS Terror
Well according to the Innu it was never all that missing.
Science, eh?
Posted by Sober Preacher's Kid (# 12699) on
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Quite true, but still, it is closing of one of the most powerful mysteries in Canadian history.
Posted by Uncle Pete (# 10422) on
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Originally posted by Sober Preacher's Kid:
Quite true, but still, it is closing of one of the most powerful mysteries in Canadian history.
Powerful white person mysteries.
[ 13. September 2016, 23:47: Message edited by: Uncle Pete ]
Posted by Eutychus (# 3081) on
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Oh Canada... performed by Walk Off The Earth at the recent World Cup of Hockey finals in Toronto.
Seemed a shame not to mention really.
Posted by no prophet's flag is set so... (# 15560) on
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10" of snow, so far since yesterday noon. Heavy, wet. Power failures have been short lived only.
Posted by Piglet (# 11803) on
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Snow? Already????
You won't be sending it our way, will you - our snow-tyres are still in storage and God only knows when we're going to be able to get them out ...
Posted by Uncle Pete (# 10422) on
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Originally posted by Piglet:
Snow? Already????
You won't be sending it our way, will you - our snow-tyres are still in storage and God only knows when we're going to be able to get them out ...
Miserere me Domine. You are on your last hope.
Posted by no prophet's flag is set so... (# 15560) on
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Snow tires on for Thanksgiving travel. But it will melt in the week after they say. (We are a northern people who must embrace the weather!)
Posted by Piglet (# 11803) on
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I'm not sure if I'll be on-line again before Sunday, but if not, may I wish everyone a happy Thanksgiving, and safe travels to everyone whose turkey is being cooked by somebody else.
Posted by Og: Thread Killer (# 3200) on
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Leaves not quite turning as much as they normally have by now. The view out my window of the trees in the valley below (Toronto is so freaking green from above) is about 10% turned.
This 22 degree weather in the first week of October is just not right.
And, agreed, Happy Thanksgiving to one and all. Safe travels, safe eating, good cheer, good times.
Posted by Lothlorien (# 4927) on
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It's October 10th down here so a Happy Thanksgiving to my Canadian friends
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Posted by Welease Woderwick (# 10424) on
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Yes, Happy Thanksgiving to you all over there.
Posted by Uncle Pete (# 10422) on
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I've got my visa!
I'm off to India!
Bye, bye snow
Bye, bye winter temperatures!*
*After December 10th. Usual terms and conditions apply,
Posted by Welease Woderwick (# 10424) on
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Oh NO!!!
Posted by Piglet (# 11803) on
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Does that mean we'll have two of you bragging about how much snow you haven't got?
Posted by Welease Woderwick (# 10424) on
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Who? Us?
But we will be dealing with The Heat, The Dust, The Flies AND The Constant Drumming*!
* As a few of the local kids are currently learning Chenda drumming most evenings outside a neighbour's house I'm not kidding about that.
Chenda drumming is a very Kerala form of drumming that takes place at almost all festivals.
Posted by St. Gwladys (# 14504) on
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[tangent] can I hijack this thread to remind transatlantic Shippies that if you want to take part in Secret Santa, you have until 5th November to register![\tangent]
Posted by Uncle Pete (# 10422) on
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Originally posted by Welease Woderwick:
Who? Us?
But we will be dealing with The Heat, The Dust, The Flies AND The Constant Drumming*!
* As a few of the local kids are currently learning Chenda drumming most evenings outside a neighbour's house I'm not kidding about that.
Chenda drumming is a very Kerala form of drumming that takes place at almost all festivals.
Good grief! Another batch of kids? Do we get concerts?
Posted by Welease Woderwick (# 10424) on
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Originally posted by Uncle Pete:
...Do we get concerts?
Sadly it is probably inevitable.
Posted by Pangolin Guerre (# 18686) on
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Just sending up a flare... I have returned to the ship. I was The Blessed Pangolin. Family business led to my prolonged absence, but I'm pleased to be back on the ship and back in Toronto.
Out of curiosity, does anyone do shipmeets here anymore?
Posted by Welease Woderwick (# 10424) on
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Hi Pangolin Guerre, good to see you back.
Might I ask you to drop a PM to an Admin just explaining who you were and who you are so that they can disable/sort out your previous account.
Thanks.
WW - AS Host.
Posted by Piglet (# 11803) on
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Welcome back, PG!
Posted by Stercus Tauri (# 16668) on
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Been very responsible around here. Snow tyres on the car, snowblower serviced and ready for the worst. Four inches of snow yesterday morning and cleared enough of the drive so we could get out. Went out to finish it, and would the snowblower start again? It would not. I have b******d my back trying. It still won't and there is a certain repair man who will roast in hell for this if I have any influence over his fate. He'll probably have the last laugh, as they don't have a lot of use for snowblowers in hell. Peace on earth and goodwill to all, but with certain named exceptions.
Posted by Piglet (# 11803) on
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The only advantage of living in a scuzzy wee flat is that a bloke in a truck with a plough attached comes and clears the snow away.
They told us we were getting a few inches of snow yesterday, but in the event it snowed all day and we got at least a foot.
Posted by Stercus Tauri (# 16668) on
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Managed to exorcise the evil spirits from the snowblower in time to clear last night's five or so inches. Today they are offering a couple of inches of snow and ice pellets, and it's all heading straight to Piglet Land when we've finished with it!
Posted by Og: Thread Killer (# 3200) on
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(Og comes up for air)
On a bright note, from my canary perch in the coal mine that is the business world of Canada, we are singing like never before.
I don't know quite what the Globe is spinning about Canada heading into doom and gloom but from our perspective business across the country is booming. Yes, the oil patch is not as vibrant as it was but across other industries, its humming along quite well. As is Vancouver Winnipeg and Halifax. Montreal and Toronto are just zooming.
I realise this is a macro level and people are hurting on the micro - I used to be in the industry of helping people find jobs and have been unemployed myself a few times and the world never looks good when you are jobless.
BUT, the economy as a whole seems to be ticking along quite well.
Posted by Piglet (# 11803) on
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Originally posted by Stercus Tauri:
... it's all heading straight to Piglet Land when we've finished with it!
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Yes. Thank you very much.
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It snowed for a good bit of today - those squitty little flakes that turn into really big snow - and I reckon we probably got another foot, which is considerably more than we need.
eta Having said that, D. got a text-message from our estate agent in St. John's today saying that they've now got more snow than they had for the whole of last winter. Admittedly last winter wasn't one of the snowiest I've seen, but for heaven's sake, it's not even Christmas yet.
[ 18. December 2016, 00:04: Message edited by: Piglet ]
Posted by Og: Thread Killer (# 3200) on
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White Christmas today
Posted by Piglet (# 11803) on
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Originally posted by Piglet:
... D. got a text-message from our estate agent in St. John's today saying that they've now got more snow than they had for the whole of last winter ...
I was speaking to another friend in St. John's the following day, and she says the estate agent is talking bollocks - they only got a few inches. I think she may have just been making an excuse for why she hasn't yet sold our house.
Here, it's white (with mucky snow-heaps) and treacherous underfoot from the freezing rain we got last night, but it was a beautiful, clear, sunny day with a lovely sunset.
Posted by Stercus Tauri (# 16668) on
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Originally posted by Piglet:
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Originally posted by Piglet:
... D. got a text-message from our estate agent in St. John's today saying that they've now got more snow than they had for the whole of last winter ...
I was speaking to another friend in St. John's the following day, and she says the estate agent is talking bollocks - they only got a few inches. I think she may have just been making an excuse for why she hasn't yet sold our house.
Here, it's white (with mucky snow-heaps) and treacherous underfoot from the freezing rain we got last night, but it was a beautiful, clear, sunny day with a lovely sunset.
True about the snow A friend near St John's says it's nothing, so far. We are surrounded by what another friend calls snirt (snow+dirt). Not to be confused with Snert.
Posted by Sober Preacher's Kid (# 12699) on
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I have a certain thing for role-playing video games.
One of my favourites is a World War II simulator. The game is based around a card-based in system which you choose certain actions or strategies at intervals in a decision tree/branch fashion.
There was a recent feature expansion centered on the Commonwealth.
Canada's vastly expanded feature set includes mention of the Rowell-Sirois Commission.
Also included are (in no particular order): the Dollar-a-Year Men, the Commonwealth Air Training Plan, the Canada Wheat Board, Victory Aircraft Ltd. and several strategies relating to the Quebec Conscription Crisis.
I believe they just won the Canadian History in Entertainment award.
Posted by Lothlorien (# 4927) on
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I see a new thread has been opened for Canada so will close this.
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