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Thread: What is Heaven like?
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SusanDoris
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Originally posted by mousethief:
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Originally posted by SusanDoris:
I like your idea of the picture. However, if by some chance I find myself in this or any heaven when I die, I'll be looking for the exit!
Why? Wouldn't that be the proof you've been saying all along that you would accept if only it existed? So now it turns out that you would NOT accept proof if it exists. You are not just a non-believer, but an anti-believer, and all your gas about "evidence" is just subterfuge.
Am I not allowed a little levity occasionally?! I did consider adding a ![[Smile]](smile.gif) but thought my words would be clear enough without it.
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mousethief
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Originally posted by SusanDoris:
Am I not allowed a little levity occasionally?! I did consider adding a but thought my words would be clear enough without it.
We're all wrong from time to time.
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I keep thinking of being admitted to heaven, televangelist like Franklin Graham, Jimmy Swaggert and Jerry Falwell live on the same street as me. The Borgia popes live down the block. Stuff like that. An angel choir singing country gospel. Makes me consider that it'll be a bit trying to exist in eternity there. Can I have a mountain to ski on, an ocean to sail?
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cliffdweller
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I think you're confusing heaven with that other place
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Pangolin Guerre
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I don't believe in the resurrection of the body, despite what I chant on Sunday mornings. (Just one of my heresies.) It strikes me, with my limited human reason, as superfluous. Neat trick, but unnecessary. Heavily influenced as I am by Hegel, I believe Heaven to be a state of all contradictions resolved. That's not as bloodless as it sounds, for the resolution is one aspect of Divine Love.
More fancifully, in Heaven I'm having a glass of wine with my mother in Kirstenbosch. Untenable, I think, but it is a comforting thought.
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Galilit
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Originally posted by Pangolin Guerre:
More fancifully, in Heaven I'm having a glass of wine with my mother in Kirstenbosch. Untenable, I think, but it is a comforting thought.
I don't BELIEVE a word I wrote up-thread ...I just like to muse on things ... without them having to be true or even possible
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Freddy
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Originally posted by Pangolin Guerre:
More fancifully, in Heaven I'm having a glass of wine with my mother in Kirstenbosch. Untenable, I think, but it is a comforting thought.
Not fanciful or untenable at all, in my view. That is exactly what it is.
I love this series of YouTube videos that explain what heaven is like.
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"Consequently nothing is of greater importance to a person than knowing what the truth is." Swedenborg
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Martin60
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Explain? How?
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no prophet's flag is set so...
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Originally posted by cliffdweller:
I think you're confusing heaven with that other place
Well, that's a relief. Don't tell them! They don't seem to know.
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cliffdweller
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Originally posted by Galilit:
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Originally posted by Pangolin Guerre:
More fancifully, in Heaven I'm having a glass of wine with my mother in Kirstenbosch. Untenable, I think, but it is a comforting thought.
I don't BELIEVE a word I wrote up-thread ...I just like to muse on things ... without them having to be true or even possible
![[Cool]](cool.gif)
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Freddy
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Originally posted by Martin60:
Explain? How?
By accepting the evidence that people occasionally have been allowed to see into that world.
From Old Testament prophets to people with Near Death Experiences there is a fairly consistent body of testimony about what we can expect to happen to us after we die.
It may all be mistaken, fraudulent, wishful thinking and therefore completely wrong. But it may not be.
It may also be completely irrelevant to our lives in this world - even to the point where speculating about it actually detracts from our ability to do God's will. But it may not be.
Considering that the vast majority of people worldwide have some kind of afterlife expectations, it seems foolish to completely dismiss the idea.
In any case, the video I just posted attempts to arrive at explanations based on that kind of evidence. It may be wrong. It may be a waste of time. It may even be harmful. On the other hand it might be genuinely helpful. ![[Angel]](graemlins/angel.gif)
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DonLogan2
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Originally posted by Mudfrog:
...Which means I get to eat in heaven as well - though I dope there's chocolate in heaven and not just a bit of broiled fish and some bread.
There better be fish in heaven, and more to the point fishing, lots of fishing!
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Mudfrog
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I gather it will be freshwater fishing because Revelation says there will be no more sea ![[Biased]](wink.gif)
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Nick Tamen
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Originally posted by DonLogan2:
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Originally posted by Mudfrog:
...Which means I get to eat in heaven as well - though I dope there's chocolate in heaven and not just a bit of broiled fish and some bread.
There better be fish in heaven, and more to the point fishing, lots of fishing!
Which means it’d be true after all that one person’s heaven is another person’s hell.
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DonLogan2
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Yeah, dammit, can`t stand freshwater fishing!
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HCH
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Reminded by the reference to Revelation about the disappearance of the sea: I recommend "The Last Chantey" by Kipling.
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cliffdweller
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Originally posted by DonLogan2:
Yeah, dammit, can`t stand freshwater fishing!
To paraphrase Greg Boyd: perhaps that's because you've only seen the unredeemed freshwater fishing-- new kingdom freshwater fishing could be a completely different experience
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Brenda Clough
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It sounds like the Heaven for fishermen could easily be combined with a Hell for fish.
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Nick Tamen
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Originally posted by DonLogan2:
Yeah, dammit, can`t stand freshwater fishing!
Agreed, except I'd leave out "freshwater."
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Eirenist
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I envisage Heaven as a state of being in which we are able to exchange feelings and experiences directly with one another. Hell could turn out to be much the same, of course - but there it would be compulsory.
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Augustine the Aleut
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While my own idea of heaven involves lots of swimming in small lakes, long lunches, and cats which do not make me sneeze, I fear that this is very much my own projection.
Aficionadi of Albert Finney's work might recall the television series, The Green Man, where God appears to him in the guise of an elegantly-dressed young man (reasonably enough as the direct vision would destroy Finney's character Maurice Allington). As their discussion about the inn's evil spirits finishes, God asks Allington if he had any questions as He didn't appear often to individuals and this was his chance. Allington asks if there is an afterlife, and God answers that "there is, but that it's not what you think." Somehow that rang true (even if I would still like my version).
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herrmann
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"There is, of course, no reason why Heaven should be the same for everyone."
You obviously haven't been to my local Baptist church.
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herrmann
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There is, of course, no reason why Heaven should be the same for everyone.
You obviously haven't been to my local Baptist church.
[ 23. February 2018, 16:20: Message edited by: herrmann ]
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Martin60
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Many mansions. Four dimensional. As long as my apartment has a door on to an Earth with all its current flora. And I can have a syllabus of the arts and sciences and humanities, so doors to Cambridge and the Sorbonne. Learn a few languages. Cultures. You know 10,000 hours in each of a hundred subjects. For a start. Then a hundred thousand in a thousand. With no uncontrolled febrile impulses. And the same amount of time walking. And the same talking. For a start.
Our evolved brains are larval. Something neotenous is going to happen to them. In glory. No new mess. And the healing, redemption of all mess.
It'll be good. For everyone. Ever. For a start. With no death. No morbidity. Everything fixed. Understood. Worked out. Sublimed. Together.
The Long Earth. To Your Scattered Bodies Go. Wayside Picnic. The Green, Green Grass of Home. The Many Coloured Land. Field of Dreams. An Ascent.
As Dave Bowman says to the redeemed, doomed heroic Hal in 2010, something's going to happen, something wonderful.
[ 23. February 2018, 23:29: Message edited by: Martin60 ]
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rolyn
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What a fantastic post. 👍
May your Heaven be thus so.
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Martin60
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See you there rolyn.
And everyone who will let me walk with them that we be healed together, in every relationship I've ever had, every transaction. Everyone I've got a regret for. The guy I cut up in my car 40 years ago.
I hope that it ISN'T like the sublimation in Ian M. Banks' The Hydrogen Sonata, where we are empowered so rapidly, augmented so much that we shrug off our previous existence as a pupa case and soar with no looking back. That our imagoes take a millennium or ten to mature. Minimal magic please!
But perhaps we will put away these childish things on pupation. The guy I cut up on the North Circular won't be waiting, needing my apology after all. Let alone the people I've REALLY failed.
But again, I can't see how the kinks will just be magicked out, no matter how limitless our butterfly potential. They'll have to be walked and talked and educated, loved out?
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simontoad
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I think I'm just going to secrete myself in one of those graves overlooking the east gate of Jerusalem and wait it out.
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Eutychus
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Originally posted by Martin60:
Learn a few languages. Cultures.
Mox's Blog for translators has quite a few cartoons on the theme of "translator heaven", although unfortunately I can only find a link to one.
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Martin60
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Hopefully it can't be too easy. It'll take work. Forever. Just better with timeless potential, timelessly actualized. Meeting up with the neighbours. From Proxima Centauri. After a millennium or two. No Babel fish. No telepathy or any of that nonsense. Work it out. Onward and upward. No going back. As nobody does obviously. It'll be so cool we won't worry about this level.
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cliffdweller
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Originally posted by Martin60:
See you there rolyn.
And everyone who will let me walk with them that we be healed together, in every relationship I've ever had, every transaction. Everyone I've got a regret for. The guy I cut up in my car 40 years ago.
I REALLY hope you meant to say "the guy I cut OFF in my car..." and not "cut up" in a car!
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Martin60
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Pond difference. Honest. This is England for heaven's sake. I mean really. I haven't dismembered anyone in my motor for weeks.
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rolyn
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Although glimpses of Heaven are availble in this realm, (might have one now in the evening sun on the hill), Heaven does however sound like a wonderful place to pull the plug on a bathtub of *excrement.
Or do we leave all that here? Maybe it will disappear in a puff of smoke at the same time as Heaven appears.
* 'Dung' as St. Paul called it.
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Martin60
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Pulling the plug on my head would leave it empty. I would disappear in a puff of smoke. I don't believe in magic in Heaven either. The laws of physics are glorified is all.
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Galilit
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Just heard this on BBC Choral Evensong:
"No darkness nor dazzling, but one equal light,
no noise nor silence, but one equal music,
no fears nor hopes, but one equal possession,
no end nor beginning, but one equal eternity"
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