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orfeo
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No Prophet, if you're going to create a zombie, you could at least do something interesting with it.
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Ariston
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But don't you know? Jokes about how Germans are orderly and regular are original. It's almost as original as existential anxt.
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mousethief
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Originally posted by Ariston:
But don't you know? Jokes about how Germans are orderly and regular are original. It's almost as original as existential anxt.
You must admit, that's an original spelling of "Angst" you've got there.
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orfeo
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Originally posted by RooK:
Ironically, I just came across a video of No Prophet being prodded about his valueless contributions to dialogue. He gave his standard reaction.
Turns out that he's cuddlier than I thought.
WTF?? You made me interrupt Medtner's 3rd violin sonata for that?
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Siegfried
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I just wish Bingo would come up with a new argument. I'm really tired of the "intent" BS he dumps into every discussion of homosexuality. It was unsupported/non-persuasive crap the first time he brought it in, and it's not any better supported nor persuasive now.
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JonahMan
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Originally posted by Siegfried:
I just wish Bingo would come up with a new argument. I'm really tired of the "intent" BS he dumps into every discussion of homosexuality. It was unsupported/non-persuasive crap the first time he brought it in, and it's not any better supported nor persuasive now.
IngoB is ordered to producing crap arguments about homosexuality. It would be morally indefensible for him to stop doing it, however much that would improve the general atmosphere and level of discourse.
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mousethief
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Originally posted by leo:
Give him some slack - he tries hard and he is a recent convert so he spouts stuff that most cradle catholics don't believe and never have.
How long does he have to be a Catholic before the "recent" goes away? I'm guessing his conversion was over 10 years ago from my (admittedly imperfect) memory.
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Gamaliel
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How long does someone have to be an Orthodox convert before the 'recent' goes away?
I was at a conference where Metropolitan Kallistos Ware was speaking earlier this week and one of the young Greek guys told me that the good bishop 'still sounds Anglican'.
Bishop Kallistos was converted to Orthodoxy in 1958 ...
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mousethief
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Originally posted by Gamaliel:
How long does someone have to be an Orthodox convert before the 'recent' goes away?
I was at a conference where Metropolitan Kallistos Ware was speaking earlier this week and one of the young Greek guys told me that the good bishop 'still sounds Anglican'.
Bishop Kallistos was converted to Orthodoxy in 1958 ...
To Greeks, Russians "still sound Perun-ist."
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Gamaliel
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I'm not sure I get the allusion, but I think I get the gist ... the Russians would 'johnny-come-latelys' right?
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Net Spinster
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Originally posted by Gamaliel:
I'm not sure I get the allusion, but I think I get the gist ... the Russians would 'johnny-come-latelys' right?
Perun was a Russian deity before they converted
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Palimpsest
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Originally posted by mousethief:
How long does he have to be a Catholic before the "recent" goes away? I'm guessing his conversion was over 10 years ago from my (admittedly imperfect) memory.
It can take quite a while if said convert is too busy preaching to listen to fellow members of the religion.
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mousethief
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Originally posted by Palimpsest:
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Originally posted by mousethief:
How long does he have to be a Catholic before the "recent" goes away? I'm guessing his conversion was over 10 years ago from my (admittedly imperfect) memory.
It can take quite a while if said convert is too busy preaching to listen to fellow members of the religion.
I think after some point you lose the right to have people say of you, 'He can't help it; he's a new convert.' After that point there is some other reason, and convertitis cannot excuse your assholity. IngoB has long passed that point. His being an asshole about his faith can no longer be excused by the recentness of his conversion. It's just because he's an asshole, full stop. (generic "you")
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Fr Weber
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Originally posted by leo:
Give him some slack - he tries hard and he is a recent convert so he spouts stuff that most cradle catholics don't believe and never have.
You're mistaking the sociological definition of "Catholic" or "Christian" for the religious definition. In the former case, a person is what he identifies himself to be. In the latter, a person is defined by his conformity to his church's requirements.
Unless you are speaking sociologically (and I can't see the use of that in this context),a Roman Catholic isn't someone who believes things that "most cradle Catholics" believe. Catholicism isn't defined by what the majority of Catholics think or feel, but by the teaching of the Magisterium.
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Ricardus
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Originally posted by JonahMan:
It would be morally indefensible for him to stop doing it, however much that would improve the general atmosphere and level of discourse.
If IngoB didn't post then Dead Horses would become a liberal echo chamber in which we all agree how stupid and irrational conservatives are.
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IngoB
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Originally posted by mousethief:
I think after some point you lose the right to have people say of you, 'He can't help it; he's a new convert.' After that point there is some other reason, and convertitis cannot excuse your assholity. IngoB has long passed that point. His being an asshole about his faith can no longer be excused by the recentness of his conversion. It's just because he's an asshole, full stop. (generic "you")
I don't know why this thread is rising from the grave... but as far as I can recall, I have never used my conversion as an excuse for anything I have said on SoF, and I have never asked for a "newbie" bonus. Not now, and not in the past. Who is being an "asshole" on the various DH and Hell threads is in the eye of the beholder. But my personal position on homosexuality, and indeed on Christianity and Catholicism in general, has essentially remained the same for over a decade now. Clearly, there have been refinements and I have learned a lot, and to some extent I am also battle-weary. But by and large I see little to correct in my younger self concerning Christianity, just a more naive and unstudied but more enthusiastic and active me.
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Ad Orientem
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Well, I think this is all terribly unfair. Anyone can be an arsehole. No doubt many think I am but that also goes both ways. People can be very condescending towards converts, that is from people who usually take their faith for granted.
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*Leon*
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Originally posted by Ricardus:
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Originally posted by JonahMan:
It would be morally indefensible for him to stop doing it, however much that would improve the general atmosphere and level of discourse.
If IngoB didn't post then Dead Horses would become a liberal echo chamber in which we all agree how stupid and irrational conservatives are.
Are you saying that IngoB hinders the cause of agreeing how stupid and irrational conservatives are?
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mousethief
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IngoB, it has nothing to do with your position. It's with your behavior. But you've been told this a thousand times before and are incapable of taking it on board.
At some point you may have to stop blaming your "beholders" and look at yourself.
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IngoB
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Originally posted by mousethief:
At some point you may have to stop blaming your "beholders" and look at yourself.
I'm fine with who I am and what I do.
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orfeo
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Originally posted by IngoB:
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Originally posted by mousethief:
At some point you may have to stop blaming your "beholders" and look at yourself.
I'm fine with who I am and what I do.
Just goes to show how there's an exception to every rule.
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mousethief
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Originally posted by IngoB:
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Originally posted by mousethief:
At some point you may have to stop blaming your "beholders" and look at yourself.
I'm fine with who I am and what I do.
Most assholes are.
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