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k-mann
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In the Church of Norway we also use the term 'high altar' in the way described in the OP.
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k-mann
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Originally posted by Augustine the Aleut:
It might be because the older altar is often on a platform reached by steps, higher in altitude terms, and thus the meaning of high has shifted.
That might be true. I am a vicar in the Church of Norway, and my principal parish church,* Kvinnherad Church, in Rosendal, Norway, is from approximately 1255. The altar does indeed have steps, and you are raised when you stand before it.
Pictures can be seen here. Unfortunately the names and descriptions are in Norwegian. You can also read more at Wikipedia or at Visit Norway.
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k-mann
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Originally posted by georgiaboy:
I agree with that statement about the early fathers. There is a lengthy passage in a book (which I now can't locate) by then Cardinal Ratzinger (later PP BenXVI) which addresses this in depth and cites the 'westward' facing celebrant in St. Peter's as facing the rising sun as that building is 'reverse orientated.'
Yes, but he also pointed out, in the book (The Spirit of the Liturgy, pp. 74-84 (‘The Altar and the Direction of Liturgical Prayer’), esp. p.77-79, citing Louis Bouyer) that during the Eucharistic Canon, the congregation also turned towards the east, thus ‘turning their backs to the priest.’
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leo
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Originally posted by venbede:
An (excellent) new Vicar decided to do it a bit different, by which time CW had published its fire-in-the-middle version. There was the old church one side of the road and the large Victorian church opposite.
The Vigil began at 5am in the old church in the dark with readings by electric torch.
Then we moved outside to light the bonfire outside the new church and then moved in there and lit up candles on every window ledge during the Exsultet.
The only problem was, that by the time we moved to light the new fire, it had already dawned, so there was no longer a practical reason for light.
That way round is bad liturgy for which there is little precedent and can also be, arguably, anti-semitic as argued here.
[ 09. February 2016, 15:31: Message edited by: leo ]
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venbede
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The real silliness with putting the readings first is that they can't be read in the dark. You need to put the lights of first.
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Pancho
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Originally posted by venbede:
It seems an Anglican thing.
No, the term "high altar" is used by Catholics too.
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