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Bishops Finger
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.....but Commonwealth peeps also, I guess!
As you know, next weekend we celebrate the Diamond Jubilee of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II. I expect there are various local celebrations where you are, but how are you marking the occasion in worship?
We are retaining the propers for Trinity Sunday, but we shall be using some at least of the Jubilee prayers from the C of E website, and we have the following hymns:
And did those feet in ancient times (requested by one of our churchwardens);
Holy, holy, holy, Lord God almighty (coz it's Trinity Sunday);
Jesus is Lord! Creation's voice proclaims it! (coz Jesus is our ultimate King IYSWIM);
The National Anthem (coz it seems appropriate on this occasion, to say the least!).
Cheese and wine after Mass, and a Loyal Toast...
...and some of our people are involved in an evening concert (at a nearby sixth-form college) in aid of Help for Heroes and Combat Stress, which again is an appropriate occasion.
AFAIK, there are no other (immediately) local events, and I'm beginning to think that we should have perhaps taken the lead with a Big Lunch in the street in front of the church, or summink - but I get the impression that maybe there's about as much enthusiasm for the Jubilee around here as there is for the Borelympic Games......
Ian J.
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The what...? ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
We'll make mention in the intercessions, but other than that we're sticking with Trinity Sunday.
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We're keeping the readings etc for Trinity Sunday, but are probably going to use the CofE Jubilee prayer somewhere (link here). There will also be mention made in intercessions, and we'll no doubt be singing Jerusalem and the National Anthem!
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At St Clement's Philadelphia a Te Deum is being sung at the conclusion of Mass, in thanksgiving for the 60 year reign of HMQ. Otherwise, standard Trinity Sunday stuff, including this year the Athanasian Creed being sung in procession, not a practice there in recent years at least.
All Saints Margaret Street will no doubt be following the same observances as at the Golden Jubilee -- mention in the intercessions and the national anthem sung at the conclusion of Mass (the music is a certainty, for it is all listed in the music diary for Trinity Sunday on the ASMS website).
Sadly, I shall miss out on the festivities at St Clement's but will be present at Margaret Street for the occasion.
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The papists around here will be doing what we've been told to do by our bishops. God save the Queen.
PS. I'm still preaching about the Trinity.
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Meaning no offence to anyone, it seems very strange to me that US Churches are having Diamond Jubilee celebrations...
...oh, and someone should tell them it's not the 60th anniversary of her coronation.
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...oh, and someone should tell them it's not the 60th anniversary of her coronation.
Do we get to do the same again next year?
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I hope not!
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Meaning no offence to anyone, it seems very strange to me that US Churches are having Diamond Jubilee celebrations...
...oh, and someone should tell them it's not the 60th anniversary of her coronation.
You're right, of course, about what this is the anniversary of (accession, but respectfully removed from the actual date because it's also the date of the death of her father? or better weather?). As for US churches, I think we can celebrate something we're glad about and feel at least slightly connected to via our C of E heritage. Doesn't amount to treason or anything. And it's a fine reason for a big two-choirs event.
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At my shack we shall be doing Trinity.
Shall sing God Save the Queen after the Benediction.
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Originally posted by Oblatus:
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Originally posted by seasick:
Meaning no offence to anyone, it seems very strange to me that US Churches are having Diamond Jubilee celebrations...
...oh, and someone should tell them it's not the 60th anniversary of her coronation.
You're right, of course, about what this is the anniversary of (accession, but respectfully removed from the actual date because it's also the date of the death of her father? or better weather?). As for US churches, I think we can celebrate something we're glad about and feel at least slightly connected to via our C of E heritage. Doesn't amount to treason or anything. And it's a fine reason for a big two-choirs event.
There are more than a few crypto- and not so crypto- monarchists in TEC. Besides which, St Clement's Philly has a British rector who is a monarchist.
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Luckily, we are a leftie church so there will be no mention of the Queen unless someone sentimental is doing the intercessions.
Trinity Sunday is all we want.
How thoroughly graceless of you. She is, after all, your Supreme Governor.
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While this Catholic American wishes we could have prayer for Catholic monarchs, especially the Habsburgs, I am fairly certain my pastor will work something into the Mass about the 60th Jubilee!
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Luckily, we are a leftie church so there will be no mention of the Queen unless someone sentimental is doing the intercessions.
Trinity Sunday is all we want.
How thoroughly graceless of you. She is, after all, your Supreme Governor.
She is unelected, has refused any discussion of her role and costs a lot of money which should go to the poor, in the spirit of the gospel.
The Church of England sucks up to the establishment and the moment it is disestablished cannot come too soon.
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She is unelected
Is that a condition of leadership in your "leftie church".
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Which role? When?
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and costs a lot of money
About a third of what any comparable Head of State costs their countries.
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which should go to the poor, in the spirit of the gospel.
Is this a leftie version of Godwin's Law? If not, it is still an unsubstantiated assertion than a serious contribution to the debate.
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The Church of England sucks up to the establishment and the moment it is disestablished cannot come too soon.
It always has. It is how it began, how it has almost always acted and how it will carry on. It's in its DNA and it won't change...ever. You'd best accommodate yourself to it.
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Was wondering if anyone has ever participated in a BCP Accession Service ?
I don't think I've even had a conversation about this service or ever read if it has been used in the past few decades. Perhaps there are places that use it verbatim every year, I just don't know about it.
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The chapels royal?
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Of course, there are assuredly at least a couple of Americans who use it privately. I'm not sure why though.
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I hope not!
I can divulge that in some places we most certainly will.
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Originally posted by Trisagion:
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Originally posted by leo:
She is unelected
Is that a condition of leadership in your "leftie church".
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has refused any discussion of her role
Which role? When?
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About a third of what any comparable Head of State costs their countries.
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which should go to the poor, in the spirit of the gospel.
Is this a leftie version of Godwin's Law? If not, it is still an unsubstantiated assertion than a serious contribution to the debate.
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The Church of England sucks up to the establishment and the moment it is disestablished cannot come too soon.
It always has. It is how it began, how it has almost always acted and how it will carry on. It's in its DNA and it won't change...ever. You'd best accommodate yourself to it.
Too much for me at this time of night - but - why do we have to have a 'head of state'?
The title 'supreme governor' stuck during the reign (I think) of an adulterous king who wanted to separate two provinces from the rest of the Western Church - and i want to return to it - with the rest, not individually or via the odinariate.
The campaign group Republic's '60 Inglorious Years' suggests that quote:
e Queen’s reign has been characterised by “personal enrichment, feeble leadership and an obstinate refusal to allow real scrutiny of her role”. ...we have a silent monarch, offering nothing but an empty space where an inspiring leader could be.”
The Queen is also accused of “blurring the line between national assets and private wealth” and displaying a “cavalier disregard for public money”.“We’re told that even republicans must accept without question that the Queen has ‘done a good job’ and ‘not put a foot wrong’. This kind of McCarthy-style silencing of dissent is unacceptable in a modern democracy.”
must dig out my old badge from the 25th jubilee which read, 'Who are the scroungers? Stuff the Jubilee.'
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Too much for me at this time of night - but - why do we have to have a 'head of state'?
Excellent response. I have no idea.
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The title 'supreme governor' stuck during the reign (I think) of an adulterous king who wanted to separate two provinces from the rest of the Western Church - and i want to return to it - with the rest, not individually or via the
Well, I seem to remember that bad King Hal was "Supreme Head". It was his bastard daughter by the Adultress Ann who finessed it to "Supreme Governor". Nonetheless, your lovely diocesan Bishop took an oath to uphold Brenda in that position.
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The campaign group Republic's '60 Inglorious Years' suggests that quote:
e Queen’s reign has been characterised by “personal enrichment, feeble leadership and an obstinate refusal to allow real scrutiny of her role”. ...we have a silent monarch, offering nothing but an empty space where an inspiring leader could be.”
The Queen is also accused of “blurring the line between national assets and private wealth” and displaying a “cavalier disregard for public money”.“We’re told that even republicans must accept without question that the Queen has ‘done a good job’ and ‘not put a foot wrong’. This kind of McCarthy-style silencing of dissent is unacceptable in a modern democracy.”
Lovely bit of 1970s agitprop that. Powerful antidote to the double bank holiday. Almost enough to make me feel guilty...almost, but not quite.
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must dig out my old badge from the 25th jubilee which read, 'Who are the scroungers? Stuff the Jubilee.'
On my way from Oxford to Cuddesdon last Wednesday, I was very struck by the graffiti on the old railway bridge at Horsepath. It read, "Sod the Silver Jubilee" . Thirty five years of protest: unanswered, uncleaned. How simply marvellous...and to think, the undergraduate probably responsible is now in his or her mid-fifties and respectable. The joys of Britain.
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I fear that, being Anglicans in a Commonwealth Realm, we may get something. I most sincerely hope not. I'm with Leo on the value of the monarchy.
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Originally posted by Mama Thomas:
Was wondering if anyone has ever participated in a BCP Accession Service ?
I don't think I've even had a conversation about this service or ever read if it has been used in the past few decades. Perhaps there are places that use it verbatim every year, I just don't know about it.
We sang it in the chapel of my Cambridge college for the Golden Jubilee followed by a good dinner in hall.
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No mention of it at all! ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Oops- just remembered I went into the creche during the sermon, with my 3 new God children, so something may have slipped under the net- but I doubt it!
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She is unelected
Is that a condition of leadership in your "leftie church".
Indeed not. My license has to be renewed every three years and every time there is a new incumbent. Both s/he and the PCC have to vote to approve or disapprove.
Unlike the RCC, the bishop doesn't foist staff upon parishes without their consent.
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[QUOTE]which should go to the poor, in the spirit of the gospel.
Is this a leftie version of Godwin's Law? If not, it is still an unsubstantiated assertion than a serious contribution to the debate.
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The Church of England sucks up to the establishment and the moment it is disestablished cannot come too soon.
It always has. It is how it began, how it has almost always acted and how it will carry on. It's in its DNA and it won't change...ever. You'd best accommodate yourself to it.
No, it is based on liberation theology, a theology grown out of RCC moral teaching but which the Vatican has tried to crush at times, The preferential option for the poor - if her maj. is some sort of defender of the faith, than she should defend those poor which the faith teaches.
As for the C of E sucking up to establishment, consider the ructions when Archbishop Runcie prayed for the 'enemy' dead at the Falklands thanksgiving service, or the work of the late and very loved Canon Eric James' Faith and the City' about urban priority areas - it was often said that the C of E was a better opposition than the Labour Party in the Thatcher era.
I shall continue my lifetime practice of sitting down when I encounter the national anthem (except on remembrance Sunday - a whole host of other issues).
I hope I can dig out my 'God save the queen. the fascist regime' should the street party below my window get noisy and patriotic.
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Leo, you're <> this close to crusading. Please drop the anti-monarchist argument or take it to Purg.
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There'll be a Choral Evensong for the Diamond Jubilee at Chicago Cathedral.
Any Chicago-based Shippies want to do a mini-meet afterwards? PM me.
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I fear that, being Anglicans in a Commonwealth Realm, we may get something. I most sincerely hope not. I'm with Leo on the value of the monarchy.
Madame and I both voted for the republic in the referendum, but HM is still our queen and our head of state (no, the GG is not, but we won't go down that path). She has shown a strong sense of duty and also to take her role as a Christian monarch, one of whose realms has as established the church of which she is Supreme Governor on earth, very seriously indeed.
There will be a special prayer in the intercessions for her, and for our nation.
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It is somewhat confusing to celebrate the accession jubilee on the 59th anniversary of the Coronation, but I can only assume that the weather is better in the UK in June than in February.
The Monarch's official birthday is always in June, a tradition lost in the mists of the early 20th century. So why not the Jubilee?
And, please God, we will celebrate her Coronation anniversary next year. I hope she is about for the 70th anniversary.
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On Sunday 3 June we shall join in the celebration of Her Majesty’s Diamond Jubilee with appropriate prayers, and by the singing of the first and third verses* of God Save The Queen, and by processing out to Walton’s Orb and Sceptre.
*We shall think the words of the second verse, but it would of course be too unkind to sing them.
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I shall no doubt include a prayer for her continuing health and well being in our intercessions but we will not sing either God Save The Queen or God Defend New Zealand. If memory serves me right we prayed for Prince William and Catherine on the Sunday after their wedding - as well as for a couple who I had married on that same day. The monarchy is presently very popular here in New Zealand and was boosted by Prince William's visit to Christchurch last year - however its popularity is decideldly stronger amongst older people and even our centre right PM thinks a republic is inevitable.
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It is somewhat confusing to celebrate the accession jubilee on the 59th anniversary of the Coronation, but I can only assume that the weather is better in the UK in June than in February.
The selection of the date of the coronation to celebrate the jubilee is driven less by weather and more by the fact that the anniversary of the queen's accession is also the anniversary of her father's death. The accession anniversary is a personal and poignant day, and I recall this being noted in previous jubilee years.
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Too much for me at this time of night - but - why do we have to have a 'head of state'?
Excellent response. I have no idea.
Quick question - anyone remember who the Head of State of Switzerland is? No, I thought not.
Anyway, our parish notice thingy labels the day "Trinity Sunday".
But there is a rather odd and disturbing line on the next page: "Jubilee Weekend, Trinity Sunday – please wear red, white or blue for the service but we’re not having any special celebration here. If you have local celebrations such as a Big Lunch, please join in with that."
Red, white, and blue? Who ordered that?
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Red, white, and blue? Who ordered that?
The Jubilee gets its own liturgical colours now? Curiouser and curiouser!
(Although I suppose wearing diamonds in its honour might be rather fun...)
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I like verse 4! :
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But be God's mercies known
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Lord make the nations see
That men should brothers be
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The wide world over
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Our republican music director is taking the opportunity of the Jubilee to bin his principles and do as much coronation music as humanly possible including Zadok, I Was Glad, and heaven knows what else. Should be fun.
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And did those feet in ancient times (requested by one of our churchwardens);
No they didn't actually ..... Psalm 101 here (David's coronation Psalm - a commitment to character and a commitment to lead.
No National Anthem - I'm too much of a republican to countenance it in church. We're focussing on a faithful God who inspires faithful service.
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I believe William Blake supported the French Revolution (and I suppose you know what that unfortunate movement lead to?)
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At our church on Tuesday 5 June we are showing the Thanksgiving Service from St Paul's on a big screen as our Liturgy of the Word, then we will have our own Gospel Reading, the Peace, Offertory Hymn and the rest of the Liturgy of the Sacrament (and refreshments on the lawn outside afterwards).
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And did those feet in ancient times (requested by one of our churchwardens);
No they didn't actually ..... Psalm 101 here (David's coronation Psalm - a commitment to character and a commitment to lead.
Mmmm. Isn't that the point Blake is putting across?
'And did those feet....?' Well, no, obviously they didn't any more than Jerusalem was builded here among dark Satanic mills; so we will build Jerusalem here, hence all the bringing-me-my-bowing and charioting.
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Luckily, we are a leftie church so there will be no mention of the Queen unless someone sentimental is doing the intercessions.
Trinity Sunday is all we want.
As a republican Anglican, presumably you'd be happy for the CofE to be disestablished?
It seems to me, though, that without the Queen as head of the church, and without establishment, the CofE might cease to exist as a single body. There'd be no reason for all these people with different beliefs and practices to be united in one denomination.
Anyway, as a Methodist, I doubt that the marjoity of Methodist churches will be making much of a fuss. The Queen might be mentioned briefly, but most Methodist churches don't often pray for the Queen. Googling 'Methodist church golden jubilee 2012 uk' doesn't bring up much activity, although many churches don't put their activities on the net anyway. I suppose there might be some ecumenical activities. In my area, the jubilee lunches and festivities are being put on by the CofE.
I suspect that for some churches, the golden jubilee is more a way of connecting with the enthusiasm of the wider community, rather than representing an opportunity for churches to express their patriotism.
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I've never understood why so many people think that Blake's opening question is supposed to be taken as a statement that Christ came to England.
Thus the description I've heard of the first stanza as comprising four questions the answer to each of which is "No."
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Oops! It is, of course, the Queen's Diamond Jubilee, not her Golden Jubilee! There are a few more events listed on the net when one googles the right thing! Nevertheless, I'm not convinced that royalism is high up on the list of Methodist characteristics, as it were. But we all enjoy a bit of cake and a celebration.
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