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Schroedinger's cat
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I had thought when Our Friend Cosmo decided to depart this ship that would be an end to it.
But it seems not. The Coot has taken up his mantle.
Now I am not just "Un-Anglican", but "Anti-Anglican".
And I am getting just a little bit tee'd off with it.
I am an Anglican by choice, not by default in any way. Not because my family were, not because it was the nearest church, but by choice. Aparently this makes me "unanglican".
I have sought office within the church, and currently hold the office of reader within the Anglican church. At no point in any of my selection process was there any suggestion that I wasn't Anglican enough. At no point during my training was my Anglicanism in question. But apparently I am "anti-anglican". Obviously I am such a master of disguise that my subversion was not detected at any stage.
Maybe my understanding of and interpretation of Anglicanism is different to yours. That's a good thing, because diversity is in the nature of Anglicanism. You may not like it, but then I don't ask you to agree with me. I may not like your approach, but that doesn't warrant me calling you un-anglican.
This ship is a ship of unrest. That is one thing I love about it. I am unrestful in what I do, and how I approach my faith and my denomination. Does that make me un-Anglican? I hope not, because I love the Anglican church too much to consign it yet.
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Errrrr..... what's the problem here? Who said you are not Anglican? In what way might you not be Anglican?
I'm confused ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
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quote:
Originally posted by Schroedinger's cat:
This ship is a ship of unrest. That is one thing I love about it. I am unrestful in what I do, and how I approach my faith and my denomination. Does that make me un-Anglican? I hope not, because I love the Anglican church too much to consign it yet.
The wonderful thing about being an Anglican, for me, is that you are allowed to question and challenge for yourself and engage with others what it means to be an Anglican-to be comfortable with the journey of exploration and deep questioning-to be restful in the very nature of unrest.
Keep on trucking, Schroedinger's Cat. Don't let the bastards grind you down! ![[Not worthy!]](graemlins/notworthy.gif)
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Wood
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Steve, while I sympathise with your point of view, are you not being a wee bit too hard on the Coot?
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SC - any chance of a link here, or a quote, so that the rest of us can see what you are annoyed about?
I'm very confused - I think I need to go to bed.
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Since this seems to be a call into hell, I assume you have PMd or e-mailed the Coot? If you haven't done so, please do so.
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quote:
Originally posted by Schroedinger's cat:
I had thought when Our Friend Cosmo decided to depart this ship that would be an end to it.
Rumours of our friend's demise are greatly exaggerated. ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
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Rumours of our friend's demise are greatly exaggerated.
glad to hear it.... the op here had me a bit concerned for him
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CorgiGreta
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There are many people who point out with apparent pride that they are "cradle Anglicans [Episcopalians]". I fail to see that this is of any significance whatsoever.
As to the Cosmo aspect of the opening post, I think we should know by now that it is folly to attempt to predict what such a wonderfully complex person will say or do. There even appears to be disagreement on whether or not he is a person of color.
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Originally posted by CorgiGreta:
As to the Cosmo aspect of the opening post, I think we should know by now that it is folly to attempt to predict what such a wonderfully complex person will say or do. There even appears to be disagreement on whether or not he is a person of color.
(wipes eyes and composes self)
You're either the funniest person I have ever met of simply not very bright.
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Originally posted by CorgiGreta:
There even appears to be disagreement on whether or not he is a person of color. Greta
"Person of color"? Are we not all persons of color? I, for example, am a kind of pinky salmon beige with very muted olive undertones. If that's not color, what is?
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SC, I am very concerned about your post as you are obviously saddeed by your experience of the board and.or Anglicanism. I am a cradle anglican, although I hav ein the past flirted with Catholicism and Quakerism, and attende Orthodox liturgies and Methodist,Baptist URC and independent worship.
I find ithe C of E a difficult place at times, but it is the richer for your valuable contribution as a reader - and as you rightly say if you have chosen to be an Anglican and gone through the various hoops to become a reader -of course you are an Anglican and anyone who says otherwise is wrong.
Keep up the good work.
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I don't know why I'm posting this. No one bothers to read what I put these days anyway.)
OK. Steve, I'm asking you to back down.
I know you've had a hard time at the hands of bigoted slow developers like the One Whom Smart Girls Are Wont To Carry and his ilk, but these people are not the majority, and the whole of Anglo-Catholocism does not deserve to be loathed because of a few self-righteous and unimaginative snobs.
There are many, many Anglo-Catholics on this board who are decent, intelligent and Godly. I rate the Coot as one of them.
And I think he has a point.
You've been on a major anti-AC trip for ages now. Because some of them happen to have treated you badly is no reason to hate all Anglo-Catholics (or, in fact, any), any more than Ang-Caths have to hate evangelicals because the evangelicals treat them badly. Do you really want to be lumped in with the Bonkers Bishop of Sydney? Really?
I know you've had a hard time on this board from idiotic public-school jerks who couldn't phrase a decent argument if it slapped them around the face, but come on. By going on your anti-AC rampage - and, let's face it, Steve, the AC dos and Don'ts thread was pretty nasty - you lose any moral high ground you had.
Steve, mate. I hope you still respect my opinion enough to listen to this. Back down. Please?
The Coot really doesn't deserve your opprobrium, and I'm proud to have him as a colleague.
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Originally posted by CorgiGreta:
There are many people who point out with apparent pride that they are "cradle Anglicans [Episcopalians]". I fail to see that this is of any significance whatsoever. ...
It's not, except that it was a really wonderful way to grow up: Cranmer's music in my ears and on my lips, etc.
But when I use the term, it's just background information, like my husband's having attended RC schools through high school. Does anyone really take it as personal virtue or fault that they were reared in one tradition rather than another?
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CorgiGreta
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Rossweisse,
Stupid as I am, I am most confounded when I see the term "cradle Episcopalian" listed among the qualifications for candidates for vestry or for diocesan offices. Why is the accident of being born into the Church any special virtue? I think it is irrelevant whether one has been an Episcopalian for over half a century (like myself) or was confirmed yesterday.
I also don't like it when people use the term as a kind of social pedigree, analogously to blue haired matrons who think they are special because their ancestors came over on the Mayflower.
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Well, well, well. One goes on holiday for a few weeks (and thus able to think a little about whether to carry on posting or not rather than simple, as some have accused, sulking in a corner) and some behave as though the body was already cold.
It's interesting to see the insults that go around when one is thought to be absent. I thought that was just a bitchy A/C trait rather than South Wales evangelical. You live and learn.
For the record I don't really care to be described as a 'bigoted slow developer' or as part of a cabal of 'self-righteous and unimaginative snobs'. Neither do I particularly enjoy being implicated as one of a mysterious group of 'idiotic public-school educated jerks'.
Undoubtedly I have questioned SC (if you don't mind the abbreviation) over some his viewpoints in the past, particularly concerning the sacraments, the nature of episcopacy and the ordained priesthood. Indeed, I have gone so far as to ask why SC is an Anglican when so many of the points he has expressed seem to run contrary to some fundamental elements of Anglicanism. I should have thought that argument and debate are vital parts of the boards. At no point however (I think and certainly hope not) have I ever described SC as 'anti-Anglican' nor have I attributed to him any of the character traits or similar insults it would appear Wood has ascribed to me.
If Wood would care to open a thread on the evils of the 'One Smart Girls Carry' (not with my size, my dear) in Hell or even send me a PM to explain how his remarks were not in the slightest way addressed about me in particular then I should be interested to read them.
If, however, you (or anybody else for that matter) want to call me names, then please do it to my face. At the moment you merely sound a little like the boy who only slags off the teacher when he's out of the room.
(A well-refreshed) Cosmo
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CorgiGreta
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ken,
Amos initially used the term "person of color" with regard to Cosmo. I knew what she meant. So apparently did Wood and Fiddleback. I stayed with the term although it is not one which I normally use.
Out now to enjoy a few minutes of this beautiful L.A. day.
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Suddenly the day has become even more beautiful!!!!!
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I find myself singing an old Baptist hymn: "Ring the bells of Heaven; there is joy today."
Greta
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Sarkycow
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quote:
Originally posted by Cosmo:
Well, well, well. One goes on holiday for a few weeks (and thus able to think a little about whether to carry on posting or not rather than simple, as some have accused, sulking in a corner) and some behave as though the body was already cold.<snip>
Ah, Cosmo.
I'm in a picky mood tonight. The phrase you're reaching for is:
as though the body were already cold.
Please try harder in future sir.
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Sarkycow
La belle Dame sans merci
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Originally posted by CorgiGreta:
I find myself singing an old Baptist hymn: "Ring the bells of Heaven; there is joy today."
Greta
There is a place for nauseating rejoicing and jubilation. It's called All Saints. kindly do not make this mistake again, or you will regret it. Profoundly.
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Dear Cosmo, as it was I who surmised that you were sulking may I add that at no point did I consider you to be simply (I hope you think me not too forward in correcting your typo) sulking. Sadly you do so little “simply.”
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{corrected your typo, too, Pyx_e. That "to-too" homonym is so vexatious}
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Wood
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See. Told you no one reads my posts.
quote:
Originally posted by Cosmo:
For the record I don't really care to be described as a 'bigoted slow developer' or as part of a cabal of 'self-righteous and unimaginative snobs'. Neither do I particularly enjoy being implicated as one of a mysterious group of 'idiotic public-school educated jerks'.
If the biretta fits.
You don't like being described that way, show some evidence that you don't deserve it.
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I attributed to him any of the character traits or similar insults it would appear Wood has ascribed to me.
Now, if you had actually bothered to read my post, you would have seen that I simply said that he had "had a hard time" at the hands of you and your little friends.
Which I think is fair.
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If Wood would care to open a thread on the evils of the 'One Smart Girls Carry' (not with my size, my dear) in Hell or even send me a PM to explain how his remarks were not in the slightest way addressed about me in particular then I should be interested to read them.
You think you can actually carry an argument beyond hit-and-run, you start it.
Colours to the mast: some of those comments were addressed to you (see above).
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If, however, you (or anybody else for that matter) want to call me names, then please do it to my face.
I just did, you moron (slow developer: QED).
Cosmo, I knew you were reading this. Do you really think I say anything about you in private that I haven't said in public?
On the other hand, I understand that one person actually started spreading lies about me to people in private emails - had the opinions and actions attributed to me been mafde public and were I of a litigious bent, I would have sought legal advice, in fact. One person even went to the editor, because they believed these things.
I really do have no idea who that was (although I have my suspicions, I have no proof and no evidence beyond the circumstantial), but I would hope that I would never stoop so low as that slimy, underhand, pathetic little worm, whoever it was.
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(a well-refreshed) Cosmo
Physically, anyway.
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I don't know why, but when I saw the title of this thread, all of a sudden, I heard Lee Greenwood singing "I am Proud to be an Anglican" to the tune of his song "I am Pround to be an American." Now I can't get it out of my head.
This truly is Hell.
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Anglicans definitely make for good entertainment, anyway! ![[Devil]](graemlins/devil.gif)
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Oh, what a beautiful evening this is turning out to be. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
<settles back on shooting stick and imbibes from hip-flask>
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Oh what a beautiful morning......in a hellish sort of way
Happy St Francis Day, Cosmo! and Px Romana to all the rest of you
cheers
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Sarkycow
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Originally posted by multipara:
Oh what a beautiful morning......in a hellish sort of way
Happy St Francis Day, Cosmo! and Px Romana to all the rest of you
cheers
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Multipara,
Wishing greetings, particularly happy ones is for All Saints.
Giving peace to all is for Mystery Worship (where you may also debate not giving peace ![[Wink]](wink.gif) ) or Heaven.
Please do not confuse Hell again with any of these three boards, as I find my tendency to shred the perpetrators of such a misdemeanour often offends.
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I love Hell. I really do.
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Well, really. This is all pretty hellish. In the space of an hour or so, I have had "Proud to be an American" and "Oh What A Beautiful Morning" lodged in my head. They're currently playing on simultaneous tracks (I multi-task well). There can be no nastier combination than patriotic dreck and show tunes fighting it out in one's head. The Voices scarcely know what to say....
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Nunc Dimittis
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Wood said:
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You've been on a major anti-AC trip for ages now. Because some of them happen to have treated you badly is no reason to hate all Anglo-Catholics (or, in fact, any), any more than Ang-Caths have to hate evangelicals because the evangelicals treat them badly. Do you really want to be lumped in with the Bonkers Bishop of Sydney? Really?
Wood me ol' buddy!
"Not the Bonkers archBishop of Sydney! Anything but the Bonkers archBishop of Sydney!!"
Anyone have tuppence to buy the B a-B of Sydney? A shilling for the Catholic one too... Going really cheap just for today...
Buy one, get one free!
Seriously though, while the Sydney Evangelicals are on a war path to try and obliterate Ang-Cath from knowledge in the Diocese (the B a-B himself has said it, albeit on the quiet), we don't hate them. We might loathe some of what they stand for. But we don't hate them. On the whole though we just get on with what we do...
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Sarkycow,
Kindly remember that for quite a few of the denizens of Hell the Pax Romana is devilish, not to say Hellish; same applies to Saints' days.
I've got a very nice No15 surgical blade and a dermatome knife (you know one of those doo-dahs for shaving off skin grafts) right here and both are proof against shredders AND toasting -forks.
Some lateral thinking please!
all the worst,
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It is times like this that make me wish the Ship of Fools had streaming video.
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quote:
Originally posted by Nunc Dimittis:
Seriously though, while the Sydney Evangelicals are on a war path to try and obliterate Ang-Cath from knowledge in the Diocese (the B a-B himself has said it, albeit on the quiet), we don't hate them. We might loathe some of what they stand for. But we don't hate them. On the whole though we just get on with what we do...
To be honest, having read a lot of his views and seen evidence of what he's done, no wonder evangelicals have a bad name in Sydney.
I have no sympathy with the man.
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Originally posted by Pyx_e:
Dear Cosmo, as it was I who surmised that you were sulking...
Does this mean that you got a whiny, self-indulgent private message, too? Or was I the only lucky one?
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Originally posted by CorgiGreta:
Stupid as I am, I am most confounded when I see the term "cradle Episcopalian" listed among the qualifications for candidates for vestry or for diocesan offices. Why is the accident of being born into the Church any special virtue? ...
Okay, we all know you're not stupid. Again, I would give the "cradle Episcopalians" the benefit of the doubt, and just call it background info, not bragging.
Personally, I have NO opinion (as Jane Austen would say) of Mayflower types. Lousy Puritans.
Rossweisse // check: this IS Hell, right? Right.
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It seems to be time to introduce the fabled Anglican Fight Song. As this is Hell, you may sing it out of key, and lose the beat all you like. Just don't let me hear you.
(to the tune of "God Bless America")
I am an Anglican,
I'm CofE.
Not a High Church
Nor a Low Church,
But Catholic and Protestant and FREE.
Not a Methodist,
Not a Lutheran,
Not a Baptist,
White with foam!
But I am an Anglican,
Just one step from Rrrrrrrrome,
I am an Anglican!
Via Media! Boom boom!
Rossweisse // who does the "boom booms" with particular elan
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Getting back to the OP, I'm proud of SC that he's proud to be an Anglican, whatever that is. You go, boy!
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Schroedinger's cat
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I was caught up in work at the end of yesterday, and have only just had a chance to get back to read this.
This is NOT a call to hell for Coot. And not purely about a particular thread. I will PM Coot anyway. Erin - thanks for the link. Coot - I'm sorry, this is not intended to be personal.
It is about being called unanglican. Repeatedly. Being told I am wrong is fine. Being told that the way I do things is appaling, sacreligious, unpleasant whatever is par for the course. Being told that I am unanglican is not.
Wood - whose opinion I value higher than most others on this board - I take your point. In my defense, when I arrived on these boards, I had an ambivalent view of AC's. Edward Green, on the Small Fire board, gave me a much more positive view than I had previously had. It is the actions of a few on these boards who have demonstrated all that is bad about AC's. I apologise that I have sometimes lumped others into the same pot.
I started this thread because I wanted to leave the ship. Some part of me had had enough. And yet I knew that not having hell to shout at and rant in would be even worse. I need the safety valve. Thank you for providing that.
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Tubbs
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SC wrote:
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Wood - whose opinion I value higher than most others on this board - I take your point. In my defense, when I arrived on these boards, I had an ambivalent view of AC's. Edward Green, on the Small Fire board, gave me a much more positive view than I had previously had. It is the actions of a few on these boards who have demonstrated all that is bad about AC's. I apologise that I have sometimes lumped others into the same pot.
My italics.
I'm invoking the little known "I sent you chocolate when you were a Host" clause here and hoping that this will make you more willing to listen to me.
People are just demonstrating what's good and bad about themselves. The fact that some of them may or may not be A-C's is actually completely irrelevant to the way they choose to conduct themselves.
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Pyx_e
Quixotic Tilter
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if you can hear faint cheering its me for Tubbs' last post. Well said Sir (sorry madam), well said.
Erin; I really did suggest that they were both sulking on the "where have all the the tat wahtsits gone" thread in MW.
no one PM's me, not even when I got 1000 posts. (bastards) ![[Waterworks]](graemlins/bawling.gif)
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Erin
Meaner than Godzilla
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Oh, so Cosmo's got a hardon for me, too, just like Fiddleback. After all, I only echoed your sentiments, and I got a "poor widdle me" private message.
I'll private message you, Pyx_e, even if you do call me unChristian.
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Moo
Ship's tough old bird
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quote:
Originally posted by CorgiGreta:
Stupid as I am, I am most confounded when I see the term "cradle Episcopalian" listed among the qualifications for candidates for vestry or for diocesan offices. Why is the accident of being born into the Church any special virtue? I think it is irrelevant whether one has been an Episcopalian for over half a century (like myself) or was confirmed yesterday.
I never thought the phrase was meant as a qualification. I thought it was just information on a person's background.
I think a vestry composed entirely of cradle Episcopalians would not be good. A vestry composed entirely of people who had not grown up in the Episcopal church would also not be good. Since the congregation is a mix, the vestry should be a mix.
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Wood
The Milkman of Human Kindness
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quote:
Originally posted by Tubbs:
People are just demonstrating what's good and bad about themselves. The fact that some of them may or may not be A-C's is actually completely irrelevant to the way they choose to conduct themselves.
Totally. I knew a guy some years back who'd been to university in Middlesex. He said that he didn't like Indians, because "all the Indians he's ever met had been ****ers". That amounted to about four people in the end.
I guess that this is what irks me about a lot of these smackdowns we seem to have - the idea that a whole BRANCH OF THE CHURCH (that was for Gregory's benefit, in case you hadn't noticed - and yes, I am in a foul mood this morning) is somehow morally corrupt because you've met a few members of it whom you didn't like.
That way prejudice and bigotry lies.
Sorry, Steve. Maybe you didn't mean it like that, but that's how it's been coming across recently.
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Ham'n'Eggs
Ship's Pig
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Originally posted by Pyx_e:
no one PM's me, not even when I got 1000 posts. (bastards)
And who the hell are you calling no one?
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Tubbs
Miss Congeniality
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Originally posted by Ham'n'Eggs:
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Originally posted by Pyx_e:
no one PM's me, not even when I got 1000 posts. (bastards)
And who the hell are you calling no one?
Exactly. I bet you're gonna wish you'd never said that once we fill your inbox full of congratulatory messages ![[Snigger]](graemlins/snigger.gif)
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Schroedinger's cat
Ship's cool cat
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Originally posted by Wood:
That way prejudice and bigotry lies.
Sorry, Steve. Maybe you didn't mean it like that, but that's how it's been coming across recently.
I am sorry if that is how I have been coming across. I don't generally mean it as such, but sometimes people catch me on a bad day. Maybe I have had too many bad days in the last few months.
In my defence ( m'lud ), I would point out that I have never accused the ACs of being unchristian or unanglican. I don't believe they are. I only ask for a similar curtesey to be extended to me. I don't think that is too much to ask.
Steve the Cat - in need of the weekend.
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John Donne
Renaissance Man
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![[Sunny]](graemlins/flowerface.gif) Wood said nice things about me!
But I'm not actually anglocatholic.
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[Also. I'm not godly. And um. Usually I'm a happy lucky decent guy, but um. After hanging around Northbridge today, 'decent' has to come off the list too]
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