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OK, so Matt Smith is no David Tennant, and Russell T Davies is no longer writing - but please.....would they do that to any other faith group during a major festival.
(Episode opens with child kneeling at bedside praying to Santa + namechecking Easter).
Not funny, not big, not clever - just offensive.
It's on iplayer if you are this side of the pond and want to be offended too, but you're all probably too busy observing the holy mysteries of ........the resurrection.
I feel cleansed now.
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I thought it was a good scene, showing just how shit the church is at teaching what it believes.
A large percentage of kids at my school don't know the Easter story, or the Christmas story. Does the church get out there much and try to change this? No. Hence, kids praying to Santa on Holy Saturday.
Don't blame the telly for the reflection of society it shows, blame society for having that image in the first place.
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I thought it was hilarious, and very well played by the child! The thought that there was anything offensive about it really didn't occur to me...
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Reality. A. Check. Get.
To how many people, currently, is this anything other than a Spring holiday weekend? You belong to a subset of the genus Pedant. Get over it.
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Indeed. Just this morning I was having a nice (warm sunny day!) chat with a Jewish friend who mentioned that her mother always expected the extended family to be together at Easter.
"Why?" "All the families get together today." "But we're Jewish, it's not our holiday." "Doesn't matter. It's family." ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
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Funny. And good social commentary.
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Son of C doesn't say much when he's watching TV on his computer screen. But he did mention the girl praying to Santa, and had a laugh about it.
I guess it makes a change from the image of the Easter Bunny nailed to the cross. (Googlable if you really want to.)
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Originally posted by Firenze
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To how many people, currently, is this anything other than a Spring holiday weekend?
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Well blow me..we're all sooooo amused by popular culture's thin remnant of of Christian heritage.
Perhaps any other saturday I would have nodded with the 'social comment' posters...
..but come on, when broadcasters do something like that around Easter, it really jars.
...oh yes, Firenze, do you really think it is pedantic to pull up short at praying to Santa....would you draw a line anywhere? Rooney? Cheryl?...who do you like to pray to?
Lets see...Alleluia Santa is risen...
See, it's offensive.
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What struck me was that the little girl was praying - to God or for some sort of policeman or something - and then the Dr turns up, in a police box. I was thinking that it seemed particularly close to the Dr as God.
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Originally posted by PhilA:
I thought it was a good scene, showing just how shit the church is at teaching what it believes.
A large percentage of kids at my school don't know the Easter story, or the Christmas story. Does the church get out there much and try to change this? No. Hence, kids praying to Santa on Holy Saturday.
Don't blame the telly for the reflection of society it shows, blame society for having that image in the first place.
Most clergy, and many Christian workers, I've worked with in the past are desperate for opportunities to do schools work. Whether church or state schools. In many cases, it is the head teachers who make it 'difficult' for this to happen. In at least one place of my experience, the time slot of the 'Christian assembly/act of worship' was swapped so many times in the space of a few years, it was impossible to know what was happening from one term to another.
And in other schools, none of the offers of coming into class, and doing 'extra' chuch-related things etc with the kids were taken up.
Besides, more to the point. Isn't there a national curriculum which includes modules for religious education; for which the schools are responsible. Or has it been handed over to the church to take the 'religious education' side of things?
In the UK, at least, few things could be more accessible than easy and varied access to knowledge of a Christian faith. The opportunities are there; maybe 'blame', or some of it, ought to apportioned to those who refuse to take them up?
On a more realistic note. Isn't a humourous reference to a child's misperception of Easter during a (basically) young person's sci-fi programme, just the same kind of thing as Homer Simpson saying, 'Praise Jebus!' as he comes late into church one Sunday morning? I haven't seen the Dr Who clip, but I always enjoy Homer's occasional reference to his personal relationship with Jebus.
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I suspect that when the episode was written Moffatt didn't know it would air on Easter Saturday as the release dates for Doctor Who wouldn't be decided simply by him.
Anyway, the praying to Santa raised a wry smile with me. If I was going to read anything more into the lines, it would be that the little girl was lonely, unhappy and scared and wanted someone to make it better. She associated Santa with happiness and 'wishes' and so asks him. I thought it was quite sweet.
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Lets see...Alleluia Santa is risen...
See, it's offensive.
Works for me. Santa is obviously a god - probably one of the Vanir. At this time of year he is the Green Man (his original livery before Coca Cola got to him), Dionysus and Tammuz. He rises in every blade and leaf.
After the winter we've had, an alleluia would be entirely in order.
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...oh yes, Firenze, do you really think it is pedantic to pull up short at praying to Santa....would you draw a line anywhere? Rooney? Cheryl?...who do you like to pray to?
Presently, I'm feeling like commencing a novena to Lady Ga-ga for deliverance from humourless Christians with persecution complexes. They do far more damage to the public perception of our faith than any sci-fi series ever could.
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Originally posted by asher:
Lets see...Alleluia Santa is risen...
See, it's offensive.
Absolutely. It maddens me the way religious terminology gets bandied about like this by people who obviously don't believe in it and think that any old combination of words will do. Santa is never risen, he descends down the chimney to give presents to all the good children. Sure, he rises again afterwards to go back up the chimney, but at the culmination of the visit (on which our liturgy focuses) it is the descent to give which we celebrate. The later rising is merely a necessary part of the cycle and a precursor to another descent and more giving.
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Originally posted by Firenze:
Reality. A. Check. Get.
Firenze, please. It's Easter. The proper form of words is,
Alleluia, alleluia. Reality. A. Check. Get. Alleluia.
Anyway, as Badger Lady mentioned, Amelia was lonely and scared. She was a 7-ish year old girl left home alone by her aunt. (Do we get to meet this excuse for an aunt, I wonder?) And you find her fear, loneliness and neglect less offensive than that she prays to Santa?
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Originally posted by Adeodatus:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Firenze:
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Anyway, as Badger Lady mentioned, Amelia was lonely and scared. She was a 7-ish year old girl left home alone by her aunt. (Do we get to meet this excuse for an aunt, I wonder?) And you find her fear, loneliness and neglect less offensive than that she prays to Santa?
I thought we had met her in the form of Annette Crosbie. Oh bum, does that mean I wasn't properly listening again!?
I didn't find it offensive in any sense. Like others have said, I saw it as Amelia Pond was lonely and scared and associated Santa with good times and happiness. It's sad that she didn't think of praying to God, but there you go...
And the Doctor as being God? Nah - he was just an answer to prayer.
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For goodness sake asher, get a sense of perspective. That kind of anally-retentive whining about a completely unintended inconsequentiality makes you look like a twat. I had to check the datestamp of your post - thought I must have missed the thread two days ago.
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Originally posted by asher:
It's on iplayer if you are this side of the pond and want to be offended too, but you're all probably too busy observing the holy mysteries of ........the resurrection.
Did it ever occur to you that God the Father of Jesus Christ might hear and answer the prayers of anyone who in good faith prays to Him, even if she/he gets his Name wrong?
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Originally posted by Badger Lady:
Anyway, the praying to Santa raised a wry smile with me. If I was going to read anything more into the lines, it would be that the little girl was lonely, unhappy and scared and wanted someone to make it better. She associated Santa with happiness and 'wishes' and so asks him. I thought it was quite sweet.
Yes, so did I. I think the "offensive" element here lies in the fact that what would normally have been a written request letter (probably using exactly the same words) was spoken instead with folded hands; but how would you expect a child to actually speak to a Santa that they can't see (as opposed to one in a grotto), out of season?
"Oi Santa? Listen up. There's a crack in my wall with voices and I want it sorted and I want it sorted now. You don't show up, I stop believing in you, k?"
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What is the difference between the God portayed by some Christians and Santa anyway?
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What is the difference between the God portayed by some Christians and Santa anyway?
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At least the image of "God as Father Christmas" is one that people can grow out of.
The belief that God only answers the prayers of those who use the correct form of address too often proves totally resistant to spiritual growth.
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Will you all please shut the **** up! I've not seen it yet! ![[Mad]](angryfire.gif)
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Originally posted by Benny Diction 2:
Will you all please shut the **** up! I've not seen it yet!
Rest assured. We haven't revealed anything essential, yet.
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For goodness sake asher, get a sense of perspective. That kind of anally-retentive whining about a completely unintended inconsequentiality makes you look like a twat. I had to check the datestamp of your post - thought I must have missed the thread two days ago.
Dear Passer,
If you'd watched the clip you would have noted that it was not unintended, as the child mentioned Easter in the prayer. 'Dear Santa, thank you for the dolls...it's Easter now'. The authorial and broadcast intent was show a child praying to Santa at Easter.
hmmm..today is the 4th..two days ago was the 2nd....c'mon now, you only need the fingers of one hand.
OpaWim
I completely agree with you that if a child in distress were to call out, God would hear. But, you know, sorry to break it to you, Doctor Who isn't real. It is a story, written by a grown up, with grown up nuanced intent. And that nuanced intent trivialises the spirituality of children (not least with the implication that said child hadn't prayed for 3 months).
Now I'm off to offer thanksgiving to the Easter Bunny for all the yummy fairtrade chocolate he left me, singing Parry Gripp's 'Fuzzy Fuzzy Cute Cute'
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OpaWim
I completely agree with you that if a child in distress were to call out, God would hear. But, you know, sorry to break it to you, Doctor Who isn't real. It is a story, written by a grown up, with grown up nuanced intent. And that nuanced intent trivialises the spirituality of children (not least with the implication that said child hadn't prayed for 3 months).
Rest assured that
(a) I'm fully aware that Dr. Who isn't real;
(b) I didn't for even a second expect you to agree with anything I wrote.
To me (and I suspect to most of the others who find your OP amusing) Dr. Who, Harry Potter, Gaia, Aslan, Santa etc. are no realistic competition to the only God we believe in.
For those of us who haven't forgotten that Santa Claus has his origin in a bonafide Saint you can ask (if you are Roman Catholic or Orthodox or somewhat high-church Anglican) to intercede on your behalf, what Amelia does is not very shocking.
Anyway, strictly speaking Amelia is treating Santa not as God but as someone you can appeal to for help.
Aside from that, if you feel offended every time you encounter a god-image that doesn't confirm to your own (and that must happen at least ten times a day in much more serious form than mr. Moffatt's having Amelia mistake Santa for God) you might benefit (as do we all) by regularly re-contemplating what God means to you.
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OpaWinge: For those of us who haven't forgotten that Santa Claus has his origin in a bonafide Saint you can ask (if you are Roman Catholic or Orthodox or somewhat high-church Anglican) to intercede on your behalf, what Amelia does is not very shocking.
Got it! Amelia was appealing for the intercessions of the saints of God. Of course! Now you come to mention it, only this morning I lit a candle to a red suited figure swigging a bottle of Coke.
Opawinge: To me (and I suspect to most of the others who find your OP amusing) Dr. Who, Harry Potter, Gaia, Aslan, Santa etc. are no realistic competition to the only God we believe in.
Way to go to miss the point. I take it the big 10 don't feature much when you regularly recontemplate what God means for you.
Didn't get much chocolate this year did you?
Now if only the Easter Bunny will answer my cries to be Winge free...I will commit my life to her.
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As far as I'm concerned you didn't have to confirm I pressed the right buttons. Especially since you felt the embarrassing need to use a puerile change to my name.
Any chance that in the nearby future you will grow up sufficiently to be able to watch/understand Dr. Who without adult supervision?
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Good Friday showed a documentary on Good Friday from a historical and theological perspective (Why did Jesus die?). This morning had the Easter service from Winchester Cathedral followed by Urbi et Orbi and two short exceprts from Songs of Prise. The rest of today includes yet more SoP and a documentary on whether or not Christians are being persecuted. And this is all on the same channel you're so up in arms about.
I'm thinking that the documentary will show that in fact, Christians are not being persecuted. But that people like asher and this sort of outrage and "they'd never do this to another religion!" and claiming persecution do a lot to make Christian look like idiots.
Jesus was taken off the cross a couple days ago. asher'd do well to follow his example.
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asher, sweetheart.
The "unintended" referred to the scheduling, not the plot-line, and the date was related to the OP, not the date I read it. However, I can see you're a tad stressed, so take a chill-pill and trot off to your group-hug and seek tranquility. And may your particular iteration of sky-fairy look kindly on your less-than-charitable OP.
I'm mulling over whether to submit it to spEak You're bRanes. I think it might merit a "racists" tag, with the asinine implication that "they wouldn't do it to the non-christians".
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Dear Santa,
I asked God for a new bike last year for my birthday and it didn't come.
He's obviously no good, ignoring me or just can't do it.
Perhaps you can deliver it instead
Best wishes,
A. Child
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Originally posted by opaWim:
Any chance that in the nearby future you will grow up sufficiently to be able to watch/understand Dr. Who without adult supervision?
I still piss myself whilst hiding behind a cushion.
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Originally posted by Yonatan:
It maddens me the way religious terminology gets bandied about like this by people who obviously don't believe in it and think that any old combination of words will do. Santa is never risen, he descends down the chimney to give presents to all the good children. Sure, he rises again afterwards to go back up the chimney, but at the culmination of the visit (on which our liturgy focuses) it is the descent to give which we celebrate. The later rising is merely a necessary part of the cycle and a precursor to another descent and more giving.
Only, Yonatan, if you are operating within the stratified - and dare I say it - ossified exegetics of the Judeo-Christian tradition. Within the creative, non-hierarchical hermeneutic of the pagans, deities move sideways. Typically He/She/It/Them/Other describes a cyclical peregrination though morphologically complex theopanies in both a temporal and transtemporal modality. As well as doing up and down. And mysterious ways.
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Rock Piglette once asked if she should pray to Father Christmas but she was a bit younger than 7. She's a baptised teenager now, so it didn't do her any long term harm.
Regarding the scheduling, Dr Who series have begun on Easter Saturday ever since the show was brought back (resurrected? ![[Ultra confused]](graemlins/confused2.gif) ).
So, whether it was offensive or a wry comment on modern or kids attitudes to sprituality I don't know, but scheduling-wise the writer and and the production team MUST have known what they could be implying by the scene.
And I had been rather hoping that Russel T's apparently casual but fairly persistent rubbishing of rillijun might become a DW anachronism. That said my fellow Whovian Godbotherers this morning were generally very favourable about the episode.
At least Moffatt is a better writer than his predecessor IMHO.
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If Santa is really St. Nicholas, then what's the big deal? People pray to the saints all the time.
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See, it's offensive.
Only if you're an asinine fuckwit searching desperately for any hint of someone not quite treating Christianity with maximum respect in order to prove that They're All Out To Get Us.
Otherwise, it's not even mildly surprising. Vaguely puzzling if you've had four pints, perhaps, but not offensive in the slightest.
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Originally posted by Firenze:
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Originally posted by Yonatan:
It maddens me the way religious terminology gets bandied about like this by people who obviously don't believe in it and think that any old combination of words will do. Santa is never risen, he descends down the chimney to give presents to all the good children. Sure, he rises again afterwards to go back up the chimney, but at the culmination of the visit (on which our liturgy focuses) it is the descent to give which we celebrate. The later rising is merely a necessary part of the cycle and a precursor to another descent and more giving.
Only, Yonatan, if you are operating within the stratified - and dare I say it - ossified exegetics of the Judeo-Christian tradition. Within the creative, non-hierarchical hermeneutic of the pagans, deities move sideways. Typically He/She/It/Them/Other describes a cyclical peregrination though morphologically complex theopanies in both a temporal and transtemporal modality. As well as doing up and down. And mysterious ways.
Sounds like a row of terraces would probably make giving presents easier then.
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Sounds like a row of terraces would probably make giving presents easier then.
It's true that chimneys have mostly gone out of fashion, but I'm not entirely sure about the idea of Santa driving his sleigh through the walls of a row of terraced houses, scattering presents as he goes. Still, stranger things have happened.
What the world needs is a modern Santa who can cope with central heating systems now that these have replaced the old coal fires. Maybe he could just emerge from behind the radiator instead.
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Originally posted by Yonatan:
Sounds like a row of terraces would probably make giving presents easier then.
It's true that chimneys have mostly gone out of fashion, but I'm not entirely sure about the idea of Santa driving his sleigh through the walls of a row of terraced houses, scattering presents as he goes. Still, stranger things have happened.
Stranger things like him flying round the entire world in one night delivering presents, on a sleigh, with reindeer pulling it you mean? As if the walls of terraced houses would stop him. He's magic!!!
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Choriste sed
"People pray to the saints all the time."
Not in the Methodist or Baptist Churches I've hung out with they don't. Nor would my Sally Army pals. Come to think of it I've not noticed my Anglican drinking buddies doing it either.
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Originally posted by Ariel:
What the world needs is a modern Santa who can cope with central heating systems now that these have replaced the old coal fires. Maybe he could just emerge from behind the radiator instead.
D'ye know, I getting the feeling that numinous archetypes are not getting the respect they deserve round here.
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I do also now remember that Titanic-in-space Xmas Who with Kylie where the tour guide said that earth people worshipped Santa.
It was presented as a joke on cultural misunderstanding I think, but the whole thing was overly camp shite anyway, and should never have seen thelight of day as a Dr Who storyline.
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I haven't seen the new guy but....
They can have someone praying to Santa as long as they get rid of the Josh Whedon inspired angst and get back to having some fun for once.
Geez these Doctors are soooo boringly emotional. Worried about relationships and existentialism and whether they have any friends or relatives.
Buddy...your this close to immortal. You can go anywhere you want, and have been. Live a little.
Stop moaning about your love life and your family and how everybody gets old.
Gosh, its like watching a 40 year old guy going through a mid life crisis, without the resulting red cars and flashy women.
And can we please stop with the "Ooo...you will have a rough time later, Doctor." foreshadowing? Its pathetic. Just pathetic. Have an adventure, solve a mystery, and put your feet up and have a laugh.
If I wanted angst, I'd watch any number of other boringly angst filled shows out there.
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See, it's offensive.
Only if you're an asinine fuckwit searching desperately for any hint of someone not quite treating Christianity with maximum respect in order to prove that They're All Out To Get Us.
Otherwise, it's not even mildly surprising. Vaguely puzzling if you've had four pints, perhaps, but not offensive in the slightest.
Get a fucking grip.
Surely one of the key premises of DW is that (wrt aliens, and with limited exceptions), t hey are all out to get us.
So perhaps the dear children of this isle leaern two things from DH:
1. Pray t o Santa
2. Aliens (..in our midst) are most often a threat and most likely out to get you.
DH as a vehicle for EDL propoganda. There's a brain burp for you.
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Stranger things like him flying round the entire world in one night delivering presents, on a sleigh, with reindeer pulling it you mean?
The sleigh is obviously a tardis. You see? Santa = Dr Who
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Ah, so that's how he manages to fit in all the presents. I knew there was an explanation.
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Stranger things like him flying round the entire world in one night delivering presents, on a sleigh, with reindeer pulling it you mean?
The sleigh is obviously a tardis. You see? Santa = Dr Who
Well bugger me! So he doesn't do it all in one go. He merely goes backwards in time after each stop in precise jumps taking care not to cross his own timeline.
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I thought everyone knew that!
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Sorry, when I heard the wheezing each Christmas Eve, I assumed Santa had a chest infection from living at the North Pole. Of course! He doesn't have a skeleton key for chimneyless houses, its his sonic screw driver, and he has Christmas Specials so he can advertise his own merchandise. It all makes sense.
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