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What sort of 'domestic' reactions are you interested in Palimpsest?
There's been coverage in the news, of course - fairly extensively in the quality press and on the BBC - but there's no major ground-swell of interest other than among people like us who like to debate things on Ship-of-Fools or clergy who have a strong view one way or t'other.
It wasn't even mentioned in our parish church on Sunday.I can't speak for anyone else though.
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It was mentioned in my place on Sunday, along the following lines:
1. We prayed for the meeting in Canterbury.
2. Then for tolerance towards those sometimes marginalised by societies, particularly churches.
3. Specific prayers for the leaders of our fellow Anglicans in Africa and Asia.
4. Prayed for the ABofC in his role as head of the CofE.
I think that makes it pretty clear where our P-in-C stands.
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Originally posted by Meet and Right So to Do:
An interesting response from the Episcopal bishop of Springfield, who is Anglo-Catholic:
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http://www.episcopalspringfield.org/living-in-the-bonds-of-tough-love/
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Originally posted by Gamaliel:
What sort of 'domestic' reactions are you interested in Palimpsest?
There's been coverage in the news, of course - fairly extensively in the quality press and on the BBC - but there's no major ground-swell of interest other than among people like us who like to debate things on Ship-of-Fools or clergy who have a strong view one way or t'other.
It wasn't even mentioned in our parish church on Sunday.I can't speak for anyone else though.
No mention at all with us - I'd be surprised if half the congregation had any clue there'd been a Primates Meeting.
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Yes, I'd imagine most Anglicans here would think that Primates are those big hairy things with silver-backs which strut around on their knuckles and beat their chests to show who is in charge ...
Oh, wait ...
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The monthly CofE leaflet for pew fodder was published yesterday without mentioning even that the ABC was hosting a Big Thing. ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
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originally posted by Gamaliel:
It looks like we could have a situation where TEC becomes the new ACNA with ACNA becoming the official Anglican church in the USA and TEC occupying the position formerly held by ACNA ... that or rebel or schismatic Anglicans ...
Yes, TEC will occupy the position formerly held by ACNA. ACNA claimed to be Anglican because their theology was more in line with the traditional theology of the Church of England. TEC can't and won't do that. Instead, we will change our understanding of Anglican Communion and claim that the Anglican Communion can never kick us out of the Anglican Communion because whatever we are being kicked out of is not really the Anglican Communion. That TEC has laughed at Continuing Anglican churches for a couple of decades now will be forgotten.
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I've come across TEC priests on-line who are obsessed with the Royal Family and with English manners and customs in a way that would embarrass many English - and other British people - more generally.
Americans can be obsessed with all of that and not care one whit about the Church of England or the Anglican Communion. All the old ladies in every parish I've ever served remember a time when High Tea was quite the to do at the parish. Most of them could care less about the Anglican Communion. We are in love with Merry Old England and the UK as it existed from say 1816-1945. After Churchill, the whole thing went to shit. ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
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Indeed, the young ACNA priest I met last year was a big real ale enthusiast - good man - and although clearly not 'English' -culturally obviously very much an Anglophile.
Real ale is having a moment in the US but it isn't directly connected to being an anglophile.
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But what is it that holds the thing together ... it's not as if we've all got Byrd and Cramner ...?
We all have them now.
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Beeswax Altar posts:
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Americans can be obsessed with all of that and not care one whit about the Church of England or the Anglican Communion. All the old ladies in every parish I've ever served remember a time when High Tea was quite the to do at the parish. Most of them could care less about the Anglican Communion. We are in love with Merry Old England and the UK as it existed from say 1816-1945. After Churchill, the whole thing went to shit.
I think that the post-1945 miscomprehension of the UK stems from a lack of costumed PBS dramas on that period (some episodes of Foyle's War excepted) which were a formative part of that perception. Most anglophiles are only vaguely aware that Churchill had an existence after the end of the war.
Canadians have an influential but aging cohort of English-immigrant Anglicans, and there are many parishes where war brides were (and still are) an influential and active cohort. They, however, have a more realistic if dated image of Britain. Their memories of the Queen are of a young ATS driver as much as they are of Helen Mirren.
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Half my friends are members of Changing Attitude and the other half are on General Synod (and indeed sometimes are both), so although there is a great deal of comment from my friends, it's not really an average group of Anglicans.
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Indeed it does have to do with a lack of PBS costume dramas set after World War II. We see nothing special in the PBS comedies set in the present day UK. I am impressed with Geraldine Grangers ability to fill St. Barnabas Dibley every Sunday.
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What does PBS stand for in this context please?
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Originally posted by Enoch:
What does PBS stand for in this context please?
The Public Broadcasting Service, which is where most Americans encounter British TV shows.
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The US discovery of cask ale and indeed its own indigeneous craft beer revolution (even though most of it isn't cask-conditioned) may not be connected with Anglophilia - although cask ale is a British phenomenon, but perhaps some kond of residual folk memory ... a harking back to a time when beer actually tasted of something ... and wasn't over-chilled fizzy liquid ...
A yearning for some culture and class ... ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
Bob Hoskins nailed it in 'The Long Good Friday'. That speech about a country that has made a bigger contribution to world culture than 'just a hamburger ...'
As one critic said at the time of the film's release, 'It makes you proud of British crime ...'
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Anyhow, if the UK went to the dogs after Labour came to power in 1945 and introduced the Welfare State, I wonder when the US went down the tubes? 1783 perhaps? Or maybe with the passing of the 2nd Amendment - or later even, when the US annexed Texas?
Seriously, of course, I wouldn't necessarily expect Anglicans in the US, Papua New Guinea, Peru or Cuba to be particularly Anglophile - nor US Episcopalians necessarily ... but one would expect something 'Anglo' about it in some way - the clue is in the title after all.
I mean, there's something Dutch about the Dutch Reformed Church in South Africa ...
More seriously again, I'm still wondering what the Anglican Communion actually 'means' and what's holding it together.
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Do the Dutch "go Dutch"? Do the English "put English" on a ball? Do Yankees "yank"? (I'll get my snow suit.)
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Originally posted by Barnabas62:
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Originally posted by Meet and Right So to Do:
An interesting response from the Episcopal bishop of Springfield, who is Anglo-Catholic:
[removed extensive quote due to fair use considerations: readers can refer to the link]
http://www.episcopalspringfield.org/living-in-the-bonds-of-tough-love/
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With all due respect, it's a press statement and hardly subject to any fair use claims.
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With all due respect, it's a press statement and hardly subject to any fair use claims.
A press statement that begins "Beloved in Christ" and is signed "+Daniel Springfield"?
It's a pastoral letter, not a press statement.
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Several people asked what I was asking about. It seems to me that the TEC consequences might amplify the tensions in the Anglican church. If adopting same-sex marriage gets the Anglican church sanctioned out of the communion, it's going to make it harder to continue the dither and fudge.
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Meet and Right So to Do
Feel free to raise the issue of fair use in the Styx. That's the proper place to discuss the policy, rather than here in this thread. That's another policy, designed to prevent discussions getting side tracked by consideration of guidelines and other questions of how the Ship is run.
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Originally posted by mousethief:
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Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
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Originally posted by mousethief:
What would it take to be disfellowshiped from one of these undogmatic Norther churches? Is it at all possible? Is it "anything goes"? No position or behavior is too out there?
You have asked this and some other questions, which I gather you have conclusions about.
I'm not sure what you mean. Do you mean that you think I think I have all the answers and am only asking questions to provoke people or confirm my preexisting ideas? I can assure you this is not the case. I am floating a theory and asking people who dislike my theory questions to see if they are really exceptions, or if we're just using words differently, or seeing from different angles.
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Respectfully, the question of "is there a position or behaviour is too out there" and similar: I think these are the wrong questions (other Anglicans may disagree, this is the western Canadian expression). The question is how to people come together to worship, in a faithful way, but also recognizing several important things about humans. That none of us have the answers, that we are better to be part of the world than to not be part of it, that we should open our doors to any who would come in and seek, and we should not reject people who want to come in.
See, that puts you in type 1 (ecclesial unity) rather than type 2 (doctrinal unity). This still falls neatly into my simple-minded two-compartment box, just not in the compartment I have prejudicially labeled "The Protestant bottom line."
I've read this a few times, and see a disconnect with the denial in the first and then being told I'm "type 1 (ecclesial unity)".
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Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
I've read this a few times, and see a disconnect with the denial in the first and then being told I'm "type 1 (ecclesial unity)".
I'm floating a theory, that there are 2 types. Somebody says "I'm not type two, so you're wrong" but in fact they fit nicely under type 1. If you have a problem with the theory, what is it? If you think there's a third type, what is it? If you think you're not REALLY type 1, how come?
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While I'm certain there are serious theological implications to the rulings of the archbishops, the really serious concern is the lost revenue from the lack of American clergy visitors for the next 3 years. Clearly we must pray for the B&B operators of the Canterbury area who are probably wondering why they are being punished because of the Episcopal church's acceptance of gays. God once again moves in mysterious ways.
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This week's editorial from Anglicans Online is interesting and the conclusion encouraging. All the links you need are available via the Sites new to AO button - don't stop at the news centre, as more are linked in the Worth Noting section.
How it all works out over the next 3 years will also be interesting. My suspicion is that some sort of observer status will be given to TEC representatives, and that there will be little fuss from the African primates to that. So the hospitality trade in Canterbury will continue unabated. There will also be a very Anglican fudge after the 3 years are up - a continuation - or perhaps even a lifting of the present suspension - until the next Lambeth Conference in 2020 would be a relatively straight-forward way out.
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Originally posted by georgiafella:
While I'm certain there are serious theological implications to the rulings of the archbishops, the really serious concern is the lost revenue from the lack of American clergy visitors for the next 3 years. Clearly we must pray for the B&B operators of the Canterbury area who are probably wondering why they are being punished because of the Episcopal church's acceptance of gays. God once again moves in mysterious ways.
I don't think this so-called "suspension" is going to keep American clergy or lay people from visiting Canterbury. I'm a layperson, and I'd already booked a stay at the Canterbury Lodge for this summer. I love Canterbury, I consider it "my" Cathedral (and I consider myself an Anglican), and the opinion of a bunch of Primates, who have no real legal authority to decide anything, are not going to ruin it for me. I know other Americans who feel the same way.
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If Americans are not considered to be part of the Anglican Communion, I guess ++Justin will have to have this removed from Canterbury Cathedral. Canon West was not only an American Episcopalian, but (gasp!) reputed to be gay.
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Originally posted by georgiafella:
While I'm certain there are serious theological implications to the rulings of the archbishops, the really serious concern is the lost revenue from the lack of American clergy visitors for the next 3 years. Clearly we must pray for the B&B operators of the Canterbury area
I think it is pretty unlikely that the B&B operators of the Canterbury area need prayer as a result of reduced American clergy visitors. Most/many clergy visitors stay in hotels or in the (Cathedral owned) lodge, and I think it is pretty unlikely that these will notice a significant drop in visits.
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Originally posted by Pigwidgeon:
If Americans are not considered to be part of the Anglican Communion, I guess ++Justin will have to have this removed from Canterbury Cathedral. Canon West was not only an American Episcopalian, but (gasp!) reputed to be gay.
For information, the Archbishop has no say in the fabric and/or addition/removal of objects from Canterbury Cathedral.
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For information, the Archbishop has no say in the fabric and/or addition/removal of objects from Canterbury Cathedral.
I do realize that, and was speaking tongue-in-cheek. (Just as the Primates meeting and GAFCON have no say in whether I'm an Anglican.)
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originally posted by Gamaliel:
A yearning for some culture and class ... [Big Grin]
Exactly! Some of us also like bourbon, scotch, and classic cocktails as well. The nostalgia is for a different time not necessarily a different place. England just happened to be more important during the time in question.
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Anyhow, if the UK went to the dogs after Labour came to power in 1945 and introduced the Welfare State, I wonder when the US went down the tubes? 1783 perhaps? Or maybe with the passing of the 2nd Amendment - or later even, when the US annexed Texas?
Some would say 1783. Others would say 1787. Still, others would make a case for other years such as 1865, 1913, 1929, 1963, and 1980.
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More seriously again, I'm still wondering what the Anglican Communion actually 'means' and what's holding it together.
And that is a question with no satisfactory answer. As I said earlier, some in TEC have already started to redefine the meaning of Anglican Communion in such a way that makes it impossible for TEC ever to not be part of the Anglican Communion. After all, TEC will always share a history and tradition with all of the other Anglican provinces. GAFCON can't change the past. For most Episcopalians, this new understanding of communion will suffice for most of us who care even though we rejected it when offered by Continuing Anglicans.
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Sure, that all makes sense, Beeswax Altar - but for all the talk of heritage and cachet, it's still the case that cask conditioned ale that continues to ferment in the barrel unlike filtered, pasteurised beer-substitutes like Budweiser and Miller and such on your side of the Pond and Carling on ours, is the real deal.
Beware of substitutes - Continuing or otherwise.
I don't give a flying fart who's a real Anglican or not as long as I can get a proper, decent hand-pulled pint.
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Originally posted by Gamaliel:
I don't give a flying fart who's a real Anglican or not as long as I can get a proper, decent hand-pulled pint.
You've caught on to the real reason I'm heading across the Pond again this summer.
(However, the last time I was in Canterbury one pub tried to serve me Budweiser!)
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I don't give a flying fart who's a real Anglican or not as long as I can get a proper, decent hand-pulled pint.
Perhaps that's why I'm a Baptist: I just don't like beer!
What I do like is decent wine: the stuff they served at the Parish Church's Harvest Lunch was disgusting (mind you, we only serve soft drinks at ours ![[Frown]](frown.gif) ).
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You probably went into the wrong pub, Pidwigeon ...
Or they thought, 'Ah, an American, he'll want to drink this piss ...'
@Baptist Trainfan, drinking beer isn't a 'sign' of being an Anglican. Oh my dear no, if one wished to be a High Anglican then it has to be gin ...
Besides, many Baptists I know are as fond of their ale as I am.
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I think most of us tend to assume foreigners won't 'get' our beer.
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There might be the possibility that when Pigwidgeon comes to Canterbury, some UK Shipmates may be willing to 'get' some beers with him ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Hmmm what about cider then? The proper still cloudy kind, not the fizzy sweet stuff.
I have noticed some inclinations towards Anglophilia amongst TEC but Britophilia (especially for Scottish things) amongst Mainline denominations generally in the US. Huge Call the Midwife following amongst my TEC friends for instance.
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Originally posted by LeRoc:
There might be the possibility that when Pigwidgeon comes to Canterbury, some UK Shipmates may be willing to 'get' some beers with him
I'm actually hoping to do this closer to the date.
BTW, it's Ms. Pigwidgeon
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The beer analogy is interesting. There are national brands and international brands, most of which are bland, inoffensive, not notable, not usually worth it. If an international brand is any good, it is usually expensive and can't be enjoyed very often. Locally produced beers are quite variable, some are excellent and some awful. But generally affordable.
Does this hold for international Anglicanism? Could it? Inoffensive, unnotable, hardly worth it. National perhaps more attuned to local palates but maybe also marketted by people with an agenda. With locally brewed religion much more satisfying.
I'm also wondering about the other important drink: tea. Which can be enjoyed as tea or not so much, as teabag. Or maybe international Anglicanism is like that coffee that is eaten and then pooed out of a cat in Indonesia. Very expensive.
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I went to a pub in London where the barman earnestly recommended to me a tasty new imported craft beer. It was from Brooklyn, NY. I said that as an American I had to drink only British beer in Britain.
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Gamaliel
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Good for you, Brenda. There is a taste for US craft beer here - particularly in trendy bars rather than your average 'local' ...
And yes, US styles have influenced UK microbrewers and vice-versa. That's as things should be.
There is a difference, though, between 'craft' beer and cask-conditioned beer - although I notice that on some hand-pumps now the beer-clips (the clip-on name badge things) often say 'craft beer' or 'craft ale' ... which confuses the issue to some extent.
That doesn't mean that US 'craft beers' are inferior to cask-conditioned ales necessarily - simply that they aren't the same thing unless they are brewed in the same way that cask-conditioned ales are ...
And yes, there are non-cask-conditioned British 'craft beers' too.
There's a theological/philosophical battle going on about this within CAMRA (Campaign for More Real Ale) which echoes/mirrors in some ways (although not in terms of content of course) the theological debates raging over SSM and other issues within the churches ...
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Pigwidgeon
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Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
I said that as an American I had to drink only British beer in Britain.
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LeRoc
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Pigwidgeon: BTW, it's Ms. Pigwidgeon
Ooops! Apologies ![[Hot and Hormonal]](icon_redface.gif)
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Pigwidgeon
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Originally posted by LeRoc:
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Pigwidgeon: BTW, it's Ms. Pigwidgeon
Ooops! Apologies
If we meet up in England you can buy me a pint.
(Gamaliel called me a "he" as well. A lot of Shipmates -- even one who had met me! -- assume I'm male.)
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Gee D
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Originally posted by Gamaliel:
There's a theological/philosophical battle going on about this within CAMRA (Campaign for More Real Ale) which echoes/mirrors in some ways (although not in terms of content of course) the theological debates raging over SSM and other issues within the churches ...
Or in the political sphere, what ultimately ends up as SNP or UKIP - or which gets into endless debate whether the bolts on the rear end of that preserved Castle's valve chest ever saw Swindon.
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LeRoc
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Pigwidgeon: If we meet up in England you can buy me a pint.
It will be my honour.
(And now I'll stop because I can feel the Hosts' breath in my neck wanting to send me to All Saints )
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Penny S
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Originally posted by Gee D:
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Originally posted by Gamaliel:
There's a theological/philosophical battle going on about this within CAMRA (Campaign for More Real Ale) which echoes/mirrors in some ways (although not in terms of content of course) the theological debates raging over SSM and other issues within the churches ...
Or in the political sphere, what ultimately ends up as SNP or UKIP - or which gets into endless debate whether the bolts on the rear end of that preserved Castle's valve chest ever saw Swindon.
That would be a steam engine enthusiasts' difference of opinion, I surmise.
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Gee D
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That puts it mildly, but yes. Anyone who puts a non-Swindon part onto any GWR loco runs the risk of a slow and agonising death involving chants of churchward ho! and suchlike, the application of a fireman's shovel etc at the hands of the faithful.
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mousethief
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What's this thread about, again?
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Barnabas62
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Funny you should ask that, mousethief. Normally when a thread moves into party-mode, that means it's done for serious discussion. Exactly what Hosts were discussing.
Thread locked. It can be re-opened on request by PM if Shipmates have any further serious points to make.
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