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Gramps49
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Back in 1973 Richard Nixon was under investigation for the Watergate break-in. Attorney General Elliot Richardson had appointed Special Investigator Archibald Cox to handle it. Cox subpoenaed the taped conversations from the Oval Office. Nixon refused and, ultimately, ordered Richardson to fire Cox. Richardson refused and resigned. Nixon then ordered Assistant Attorney General William Ruckelshaus to fire Cox, but Ruckelshaus also refused and resigned Ultimately Solicitor General Robert Bork fired Cox and the rest is history.
Now the pattern is being repeated. First, Sally Yates is fired, then Preet Bharara (US Attorney, New York District) and now James Comey (FBI Director) have all been fired for investigating Trumpwold.
The deal of it is, Comey found out about his firing from television.
And then he is fired ostensibly for bungling the Clinton investigation--when Trump praised him during the 2016 campaign. Talk about hiding behind Clinton's skirts! The real reason, it appears, is that the FBI was about to name people in the administration who had been compromised Russia.
Mr. Trump, this is not the Apprentice You cannot fire people looking into your affairs.
When Yates testified at the Senate hearing this week, she was asked why people would want to cover up. She replied it suggests someone is guilty. This certainly looks like a cover up.
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"White House claims Comey’s firing was due to handling of Clinton email case" (PBS Newshour--video, audio, and transcript). "In an abrupt and stunning development, President Trump fired FBI Director James Comey Tuesday, after receiving recommendations from Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and Attorney General Jeff Sessions. Judy Woodruff explores what we know so far with John Yang and gets reaction from John Dean, former White House counsel for President Nixon."
I heard the audio part on the radio. Judy Woodruff said, at the beginning, that they'd found out only 15 minutes before they went on air! I'm impressed that they managed to get John Dean on such short notice! (Though, given this presidency, maybe they have him on speed dial.) Anyway, good coverage on short notice.
I don't remember if this was on the Newshour or NPR's special coverage, but people are thinking that Comey may have been fired to forestall the Russia-connection investigation.
Strange times, indeed.
Oh, and I'm watching Colbert right now. He's doing a tribute to the Schoolhouse Rock cartoon "I'm just a bill". Someone--a politician, I think--mentioned that passing a bill is like that. (SR was and is a big deal, for those of us who grew up with it. When I was growing up, it was shown during breaks from Saturday morning TV cartoons. Lots of info and samples online.)
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I - and most people - will conclude from this that Trump is guilty of serious wrongdoing.
So when the investigations continue, eventually it will bring down his presidency. And possibly his business too.
I look forward to the situation - maybe ten years from now - when everyone looks back on this period in American history and wonders how the most corrupt man in history was ever allowed near the White House. Not that he is often near it anyway.
(Hindsight will be wonderful. In the UK, we let Jimmy Savile on a childrens ward so I am not suggesting we have the best record).
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Originally posted by Gramps49:
... Mr. Trump, this is not the Apprentice You cannot fire people looking into your affairs. ...
O, but he can. He's Mr President.
Besides, Kellyanne Conway says he can. And she's blonde and has manicured teeth.
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No good deed goes unpunished.
But .....
This looks like a really stupid move. Comey probably knows where all the bodies are buried. The Russian dimension probably wasn't enough to kill the Trump Presidency but a botched cover up might do the trick.
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I sometimes hope T will just quit. He can't cope with not winning the popular vote, or living alone, or not being in the world he constructed for himself, or the job, or not understanding even the basics of the world or politics.
The best place for him (and the best place for the world to have him) is not in gov't. Maybe he can buy an uninhabited island somewhere.
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Republican lawmakers have not reached the tipping point beyond which Trump's behaviour hurts their political ambitions.
Moral feelings do not seem to matter anymore.
The real danger is the precedent set for somebody in the future who is competent and wants to abuse the system.
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Stupid Watergate takes another turn.
I just hope Trump's body can take the stress. I know he has a proven track record of handling stress well, I just think that him dying in office would be a bad thing for the USA.
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Originally posted by simontoad:
Stupid Watergate takes another turn.
I just hope Trump's body can take the stress. I know he has a proven track record of handling stress well, I just think that him dying in office would be a bad thing for the USA.
Although short of Jesus' dramatic return with full- on white horse, I'm hard pressed to think of any possible scenario where this does end well.
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Originally posted by simontoad:
Stupid Watergate takes another turn.
I just hope Trump's body can take the stress. I know he has a proven track record of handling stress well, I just think that him dying in office would be a bad thing for the USA.
His "good way of handling stress" is to get others to take the strain.
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Coney should just fly off to somewhere that doesn't want to extradite anybody to the USA, and blow the whistle on everything he knows....
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I'm wondering if Congress will still go through with his scheduled testimony--this week, I think.
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Originally posted by lowlands_boy:
Coney should just fly off to somewhere that doesn't want to extradite anybody to the USA, and blow the whistle on everything he knows....
Russia?
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
quote:
Originally posted by lowlands_boy:
Coney should just fly off to somewhere that doesn't want to extradite anybody to the USA, and blow the whistle on everything he knows....
Russia?
Well it worked for Snowden of course - I'm just not quite as sure that Putin will be happy to have Comey telling all in quite the same way...
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It were a joke lad. Layered and multi-target for all that is was one word.
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But it isn't like Trump woke up yesterday morning and suddenly decided.
The report says quite clearly:
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President Trump fired FBI Director James Comey Tuesday, after receiving recommendations from Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and Attorney General Jeff Sessions .
If he was acting on the advice of the AG and the deputy AG should we not give him credit?
What would have happened had he refused that advice and then subsequently been shown that he should have listened to the advice of the two men after all? He'd have been criticised for ignoring his advisors.
And the AG is quite a powerful figure I guess?
So, not one to be ignored.
If the AG and the Deputy told Trump to sack Comey, they must have something on him.
Surely.
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
It were a joke lad. Layered and multi-target for all that is was one word.
Don't worry, I got it...
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The larger and more real worry is that Sessions, certainly, and the deputy AG possibly, are in Lyin' Don's back pocket. If the DoJ is colluding with the president to hide his crimes, then we are indeed in the soup. Who shall guard the guardians?
The only real hope is November 2018. If we can flip the Congress, then a cleanup can occur. Only subpoenas, compelling sworn testimony, is going to get us to the bottom of this. We must pray that the polity (and indeed the world) can survive until then.
My great fear is that, as the pressure builds and indictments (already inevitable) become real to his mind, Li'l Donny will resort to his favorite tactic. Massive distraction, and what could be more massively distracting than a nuclear war?
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Originally posted by Mudfrog:
If the AG and the Deputy told Trump to sack Comey, they must have something on him.
Surely.
![[Killing me]](graemlins/killingme.gif)
Looking more like he may have something on all of them.
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Scott Lemieux has some interesting thoughts on the Comey firing. The whole thing is worth a read and not overly long, but the main points boil down to:
- Comey's actions during the 2016 election as accurately described in the Rosenstein memo justify his firing from the FBI.
- - This justification is a purely a pretext being used to shut down the investigation into ties between the Trump campaingn/administration and the Russian government.
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Originally posted by Mudfrog:
If he was acting on the advice of the AG and the deputy AG should we not give him credit?
The attorney-general who is also:
- a hand-picked Trump loyalist?
- - implicated in the Russia scandal to a degree he was forced to recuse himself from the investigation?
- - someone who claimed last October that Comey had "an absolute duty" to send the letter to Congress that is now the ostensible reason Sessions recommended Comey's firing?
That Attorney-General Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III? That's the guy you're saying we should take seriously about the Russia investigation? Just on point #2 alone, what kind of "recusal" allows the recused to recommend the firing of the head of the organization investigating their actions?
There doesn't seem to be any corruption or abuse of power so bad that someone won't take the side of the powerful and say they should be given "credit" for their self-serving actions.
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Originally posted by Crśsos:
what kind of "recusal" allows the recused to recommend the firing of the head of the organization investigating their actions?
My head hurts.
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Mudfrog
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If he was acting on the advice of the AG and the deputy AG should we not give him credit?
Politico, which is a liberal leaning news source--granted, has a back story on this.
I think it is interesling that Trump's letter thanked Comey for telling him three he was not under investigation. In poker, this comment is considered a "tell," which telegraphs what is in your hand or mind.
Yet Comey, last week told the Senate his administration was under investigation. Trump fumed over this for a week. It appears that Trump ordered both the AG and the Assistant AG to give him justification for the firing. In October both Sessions and Trump praised Comey for his handling of the Clinton emails! This all smacks of the FBI investigation of Trump was getting too close for comfort.
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I'm glad I'm British.
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quote:
Originally posted by Mudfrog:
I'm glad I'm British.
Really? What that bellend does affects the world. Oh, and Brexit.
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Hey, what an amazing coincidence*!
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Days before he was fired, James B. Comey, the former F.B.I. director, asked the Justice Department for a significant increase in resources for the bureau’s investigation into Russia’s interference in the presidential election, according to three congressional officials who were briefed on his request.
Mr. Comey asked for the resources last week from Rod J. Rosenstein, the deputy attorney general, who also wrote the Justice Department’s memo that was used to justify the firing of Mr. Comey this week, the officials said.
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The F.B.I. declined to comment. But Sarah Isgur Flores, the Justice Department spokeswoman, said “the idea that he asked for more funding” for the Russia investigation was “totally false.” She did not elaborate.
"Please don't fire me" Ms. Isgur Flores was heard to mutter at the end of the press conference. Yes, I'm speculating here, but I'm sure it occurred to everyone else, too.
And there's this little tidbit on timing:
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Until two weeks ago, when Mr. Rosenstein took over as deputy attorney general, the [Russia] investigation was being overseen by Dana Boente, who was acting as the deputy and is now the United States attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia.
So apparently one of the first things Mr. Rosenstein decided to take care of after his appointment as deputy attorney general was firing the head of the FBI. Interesting priorities.
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Trump is clearly more clever than Nixon. His lackeys have carried out his wishes. A friendly politburo is not going to challenge him - and even 2018 is not a foregone conclusion, for the influential right wing media are slamming liberals for whinging about the axing of Comey after they had called for it themselves - using, of course, words of no more than one syllable.
Sorry to say, to this outsider, Trump is living in a world where his shit don't stink; until enough people realize it does he is going to continue unchecked on a swathe of evil, emulating the Vladdies, Kimmies and Roddies whose naughty bits he adores.
Don't want to be sensationalist, but these are dark times. Possibly not apocalyptic-dark, but very oh shit left hand where's my right hand dark.
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Originally posted by Zappa:
Trump is clearly more clever than Nixon.
But he still does his best to foist the equivalency into our minds.
Seriously, if you're in the middle of accusations of a Watergate-like cover-up, who thinks it's a good idea to stage a photo-op with Henry Kissenger?!? I think Trump is just trolling us now.
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Mudfrog, I've seen it that the firing was under discussion between Trump and certain very high ups for a week. Easy enough with a nod and a wink for Trump to secure a couple of letters recommending him to do exactly what he'd already decided to do. This is a very common strategy, and at use even in lowly church conflicts occasionally, God forgive us.
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Originally posted by Crśsos:
quote:
Originally posted by Zappa:
Trump is clearly more clever than Nixon.
But he still does his best to foist the equivalency into our minds.
Seriously, if you're in the middle of accusations of a Watergate-like cover-up, who thinks it's a good idea to stage a photo-op with Henry Kissenger?!? I think Trump is just trolling us now.
You'd think so, wouldn't you?
But he doesn't seem to have the intelligence or self-restraint for a troll...
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quote:
Originally posted by Lamb Chopped:
Mudfrog, I've seen it that the firing was under discussion between Trump and certain very high ups for a week. Easy enough with a nod and a wink for Trump to secure a couple of letters recommending him to do exactly what he'd already decided to do. This is a very common strategy, and at use even in lowly church conflicts occasionally, God forgive us.
Quite the tradition, in fact.
Will no one rid me of this turbulent FBI director? ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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The fact that Sessions wrote a follow-up letter to the one written by Rosenstein strongly suggests collusion. Sessions had supposedly recused himself from the investigation into Russian involvement. Comey asks for more funds from Rosenstein to continue the investigation. Sessions should not have been involved in anyway.
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Originally posted by Gramps49:
The fact that Sessions wrote a follow-up letter to the one written by Rosenstein strongly suggests collusion. Sessions had supposedly recused himself from the investigation into Russian involvement. Comey asks for more funds from Rosenstein to continue the investigation. Sessions should not have been involved in anyway.
Sessions may not have had a choice: his Russian Controller may have insisted on it.
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It is actually irrelevant as to the reality of collusion with Russia in the campaign.
Comey had the audacity to investigate Cheeto. That makes the Trump angry, you won't like him when he is angry.
Trump SMASH!
with tiny fists of rage.
Ooh, a fantastic idea for a fancy dress/Halloween costume. An orange Hulk with bad hair and tiny fists!
ETA: Trump hands could be a massive money maker for a novelty company. Much less material than Hulk hands.
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There is a report now the US Attorney's office of Virginia was about to issue subpoenas on Monday for aids to Mike Flynn. I am thinking this is getting too close for comfort for the Orange One.
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
That makes the Trump angry, you won't like him when he is angry.
Trump SMASH!
with tiny fists of rage.
Ooh, a fantastic idea for a fancy dress/Halloween costume. An orange Hulk with bad hair and tiny fists!
ETA: Trump hands could be a massive money maker for a novelty company. Much less material than Hulk hands.
No, that's not good enough. Trump has done much worthy of criticism, much that can be attacked. His haircut and clothing is his choice, the size of his fists no more so than his the colour of his eyes, even his sexual preferences. Let's limit the attacks to what he says and does, not things beyond the control of any of us.
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--Re T & Nixon:
Someone said, on NPR today, that T makes Nixon look like an amateur.
--Re Mudfrog's "surely" (but not poking at him):
It's a losing bet to *assume* that powerful people in (Washington,) DC are attempting to do the right thing, for the right reasons, in the right way. Sometimes, at least some of them are. But with party allegiance, corruption by money and influence, other priorities...and maybe simply being overwhelmed by the whole thing, and losing touch with The Real Life Of The Average American.
That last bit is a symptom of "Inside The Beltway Syndrome"--the Beltway being a road that goes around DC.
--Re pic with Kissinger:
Whoa. Wow. ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
--And a Russian delegation is paying T a visit today. If I correctly understood the mention I just heard on the news, one among them is suspected in the Russia mess.
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GeeD:
It isn't that his hands are tiny, it is that a journalist said they were and this seems to have preturbed him.
It is the reaction, something which he is in control of, that is being prodded.
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quote:
Originally posted by Gee D:
No, that's not good enough. Trump has done much worthy of criticism, much that can be attacked. His haircut and clothing is his choice, the size of his fists no more so than his the colour of his eyes, even his sexual preferences. Let's limit the attacks to what he says and does, not things beyond the control of any of us.
Yup.
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lilBuddha--Do you really think T has control of his reactions??? And, AFAICS, there's no reason to keep repeating the reporter's comment about T's tiny hands. It gets in the way of seeing and discussing things clearly--and gives fodder to supporters who think he's being bullied.
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Rudy Giuliani as a possible replacement for Comey?
I just checked my e-mail, and had a note from the Democrat mailing list. (Their site is Democrats.org, but I couldn't find the info there, so I'm pasting in the e-mail from Tom Perez.) {H/As--Hope this is ok!}
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Friend --
Now that Donald Trump has fired James Comey, he gets to appoint the next FBI Director to a 10-year term.
He could pick anyone -- even, for example, a former campaign surrogate like Rudy Giuliani, who spent last night praising Trump's decision from (where else?) the lobby of Trump's new Washington hotel.
And the only check on Donald Trump's appointment would be the Senate GOP -- the same senators who rushed through the confirmations of Jeff Sessions, Betsy DeVos, and Neil Gorsuch.
That's why we MUST have an independent investigation into Trump and Russia led by a special prosecutor -- someone whose loyalties will be to the American people, not Donald Trump.
This investigation isn't about politics. It's about our national security, the integrity of our elections, and the future of our democracy. We cannot allow it to be buried by a corrupt administration and complicit Republican leaders in Congress.
Senator Ron Wyden said it best last night: "in America, the truth always comes out." This independent investigation is how we make that happen.
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It would be inappropriate to make fun of the physical attributes of almost any other human being. Crooked Donald has however made a consistent practice of doing just that, for so very many years (too many examples to link to) that it seems only fair to give him some of his own back. Bullying him, hello? We are talking about the President of the United States here, not a fourth grader. What next, will you tell us that the inflatable chickens with his hairdo are unfair to him? No, it is the privilege of the less powerful to mock him. Every insult he has heaped upon the weak and the helpless shall be returned to him. And if you want a pussy hat, pm me and I'll knit you one.
In the meantime, some of these are amusing --- the Twitter reaction to Comey's firing. My favorite is: "This is the part of the movie where Comey continues the investigation as a depressed alcoholic private investigator trying to clear his name."
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FYI: No actual URL in that link.
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Something is wrong when Trump meets the Russian Foreign Minister and Ambassador and the only press that gets to cover the meeting is the Russian Press.
Some are wondering if the Kremlin was presenting Trump with the Employee of the Month.
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Two things made me laugh in this thread. The first was the Henry II bit from Croesus and the second the Angry Trump email from lil Buddha, which I read in the voice of English comedian Jeremy Hardy. He's doing a great line in Theresa May as super hero at the moment: "MAKE ME STRONGER". As for the lil critics of personal attacks I say, what universe do you live in, because I live in an imperfect one where personal attacks are FUNNY. Screw the strategy, lets have a laugh before we all BURN.
I'm pretty sure I've had a go at people using personal attacks on Trump before, but that's OK because I know I'm a hypocrite. Also, and by way of contradiction, all's fair when you are funny.
Lisa Desjardins from PBS Newshour reported on my telly that Comey had started telling the relevant people around Congress that he was expanding the Russia investigation last week. This prompted me to say to my television: "Trump is a liar and a thief" in my best Gollum voice. Well, that's not strictly true. I've edited what I said to remove an ambiguity.
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Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
It would be inappropriate to make fun of the physical attributes of almost any other human being. Crooked Donald has however made a consistent practice of doing just that, for so very many years (too many examples to link to) that it seems only fair to give him some of his own back. Bullying him, hello?
You're getting into the gutter argument with that. There's more than enough to tackle him over without taking that step. It's really no better than attacking Obama because his father was Kenyan and thus Obama's skin was not of the purest white. It's a simple personal (and to me offensive) approach. Let's just look at his corruption, lets point out his gutter arguments, let's set out the lack of any coherence in what he says - in short, let's direct our attack on his incompetence as US President.
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It's really no better than attacking Obama because his father was Kenyan and thus Obama's skin was not of the purest white.
Whoa, slow your roll there. These things are not the same.
You have a point that it is personal and unnecessary, but we have been attacking his behaviour and choices, not things over which he has no control, not things historically used to oppress.
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in short, let's direct our attack on his incompetence as US President.
We've been doing this as well.
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lilBuddha--Do you really think T has control of his reactions???
I have a history of having little control over my temper. It is not an excuse for me, why should it be for him?
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and gives fodder to supporters who think he's being bullied.
When they begin reading, SOF, then it might be worth considering.
However, it is childish and there is plenty of real ammo. Still not certain I am going to stop, though.
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However, it is childish and there is plenty of real ammo.
This is my position. Playground taunts just diminish the seriousness of actual events. They make Trump critics look petty, mean, and petulant - little different to how they portray their opponent, in fact. They suggest a primary motivation of party before country and personal hatred rather than a thirst for justice and a decently governed nation. They are on the level of "Killary" and "Illary". They give ammo to the other side.
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