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Originally posted by RuthW:
Dodgers are now 89-35, .718, and Nate Silver says they're on track to win 114 games. It's only August, and their magic number is 17. It's un-freakin'-believable. (It's going to hurt just that much more if they again don't make it to the World Series.)

... and the Dodgers are slumping. But I think it's just a blip. I hope so; I think the team is good enough to have a real shot at the WS.

The Giants have been generally terrible this year; watching games on ESPN has often involved peeping through hands over the face.

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Just to update the eliminations: San Diego and the Phillies have both been officially eliminated from winning their respective divisions.

Everybody I still alive in the wild card race. I am a little puzzled about that. According to MLB, both SF and Philadelphia have an elimination number of 8 to be eliminated from the wild card race. Why that puzzles me is that SF has a 1.5 game advantage over the Phils. SF is 20.5 games out of a wild card spot and the Phils are 22 games out--so why are their elimination numbers the same???

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Never mind. I figured it out. The Phils have played 3 fewer games than SF. They both have 83 losses, but the Phils have only 50 wins compared to SF's 53. So if the Phils played those 3 games and won them all, they would be tied with SF. That is why they both have the same elimination number. Of course, if the Phils played those 3 games and lost them all (the more likely scenario), the Phils elimination number would be reduced to 5. But we won't know that until we play the games.

Nice to see the brain cells working this early in the morning.

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Okay, it is now official: Both San Francisco and Philadelphia have been fully eliminated from the playoffs. It was a photo finish, but technically I believe the Phillies were eliminated first. The next team likely to be fully eliminated is the Chicago White Sox, whose elimination number is currently 3.

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Elsewhere, the slow death of the Pittsburgh Pirates continues.

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Can we pause just a moment to think about La Dodgers? They have lost 16 of their last 17 games. And, even with that, they STILL have the best record in baseball!

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After an 11-game losing streak, they finally won again this evening! It's been soooooooooo painful. I was at the game last Friday, and aside from a flurry of activity in the first inning, the Dodgers just looked awful. Yu Darvish was supposed to be the reason they would finally triumph in the post-season, he came completely apart in the fifth inning.

And of course they couldn't do it the easy way tonight. It came down to the bottom of the ninth, bases loaded and the go-ahead run on first, before Jensen got the last strikeout.

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The Rockies are still in it, despite being relatively average for most of the summer. Hitting Chavez Ravine during the losing streak helped. Now they are 2-0 on a four game trip to Arizona, as part of a six game winning streak. The schedule from here on out is pretty forgiving, as well. All they have to do is hold off the Cardinals and Brewers for the last Wild Card spot, and I think that should be doable.

Granted, the Broncos are 1-0, so no one is talking about the Rockies anymore. But a playoff run might change that, for a few days at least.

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The Cleveland Indians have just set a new American League record for a winning streak: 21 games. The prior record holder was the Oakland A's, with 20 wins.

The Major League record is a little more obscure. The 1935 Cubs won 21 consecutive games, so the Indians have tied that. But the MLB record is usually given as 26 straight wins by the N.Y. Giants (before they moved to San Francisco) in 1916. The asterisk to this is that, during that streak, one game was tied at 1-1 in the 9th inning when the game was stopped because of rain...and they never got around to finishing it. That was not all that unusual in 1916--the Giants actually had three such "ties" that year. It didn't much matter: they finished 7 games out of first (behind the Brooklyn Robins--and there is a team name you don't hear much anymore!)

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More teams have been completely eliminated from the playoffs. In the NL, Cincinnati Reds & NY Mets have fallen. In the AL, Chicago White Sox & Detroit Tigers have fallen.

There are a handful more who are likely to be eliminated this weekend.

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Here is a handy chart of scenarios for the last NL WC spot, as of yesterday. The Rockies probably need to go 4-2 in their last 6 to feel really safe, but as long as the Cardinals or Brewers don't go on tears (they end the season against each other, so only one team can end up with 6 or 5 wins), 3-3 might land us in a tiebreaker. (All three teams won last night.)

So pulling hard for the Cubs and Reds, then hoping the Dodgers rest some starters this weekend.

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For some reason, copying and pasting links on my phone causes me trouble.

Here is the (updated) chart, showing every NL Wild Card scenario. (I'll actually preview this time, I swear!)

This afternoon's game against the Marlins isn't quite must win, but a win would mean that we just need to take one off of the Dodgers to have a 77% chance of making the playoffs.

This Rockies team doesn't have the look of one of those super dangerous teams that gets hot in a wild chard race and carries a hot streak into the playoffs, but I'll take it however they give it to me.

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Rockies win! (14-9 Coors Field Special.) One more win and the worst that can happen is a tiebreaker game.

Cubs win! Cardinals are one loss away from elimination.

Reds win! Brewers are two losses away from elimination, one loss away from only being able to get to a tiebreaker game.

This was a good day for the Rockies playoff hopes. Tomorrow night off, while the Cardinals and Brewers are on. We could be popping the champagne on Friday night, folks!

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So going into the last weekend of the regular season, only a few things left to be settled:

1. Final NL Wild Card spot. Cardinals are out. Brewers must sweep and hope that the Dodgers sweep the Rockies to win the spot outright. Tiebreaker (in Denver) if the Rockies get swept and the Brewers go 2-1, or if the Brewers sweep and the Rockies go 1-2. Any other result, and the Rockies win the last spot. (I've made my rooting interests known. How about a nice walk-off homer from Arenado or Blackmon to clinch the spot and the NL MVP?)

2. AL Home field advantage. Cleveland is one game up on Houston. I haven't done the exact math, but either team could end up with the best record in the AL. Even if Houston doesn't catch Cleveland, they just need to win one more to be one of three teams with 100 wins. Three teams with 100 wins in one season is fairly rare.

3. AL East champions. If the Yankees sweep the Jays and the Red Sox are swept by the Astros, we end up with a tie at the top of the AL East, and a one-game tie-breaker in the Bronx. Winner gets the second place AL team, loser hosts the Twins in the wild card round.

4. World Series home field advantage. I didn't notice this, but they finally did away with the stupid "All Star game winning league gets home field advantage for league's pennant winner" rule. There are all kinds of implications here, which probably aren't the first thing on anyone's mind at this point.

5. While 60 home runs doesn't have the cachet it used to, it still means a lot to some of us. Giancarlo Stanton of the Marlins has 59, and could tie or surpass that magic number.

So plenty to watch for.

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Yeah...that's one way to look at it.

Personally, I don't think "home field advantage" is a real thing. In a 7 game playoff, it literally only matters if the series goes 7 games. If it goes 6 games, each time has hosted 3. If it goes 5 games, oddly, the team with "home field advantage" only gets 2 games and the other team gets 3. If it goes 4 games, each gets 2. So, in my mind, "home field advantage" is an illusion.

But I have noticed a startling thing. Unless the SF Giants lose every remaining game, no team will lose 100 games this year. Why is that so amazing? Well, go back up-thread to the halfway point in the season. II thought it was a sure thign that the Phillies would have 100 losses (at the pace they were going at the halfway point, they would have 106 losses). As it is, as we sit here now, the most they can have if they lose their remaining games is "only" 97 losses. The team has really turned things around in the second half. So, naturally, what do you so when a team has such a dramatic turnaround for the positive? You do what the Phillies did: fire the manager who managed to turn the team around.

Idiots.

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Rockies 9, Dodgers 1. The Brewers also won, but with that win, the worst that can happen for the Rockies is a one game tiebreaker. One more win or a Brewers loss and it's done. Kershaw on the bump for the Dodgers tonight, but we've had some success against him so far this season, and it will probably be a short start.

Red Sox lost, Yankees won, so that's still active. Astros got win 100, but Cleveland also won, so the Indians still have the lead for AL top seed.

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And so the playoffs start with the Wild Card games.

First up (Tuesday): Minnesota Twins v. NY Yankees
Next (Wednesday): Colorado Rockies v. Arizona Diamondbacks

It is always tempting to give predictions but considering how bad I am at that, I won't.

After those games, we can get to the Playoffs Proper with the Divisional Series.

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All things considered, I'm actually kind of relieved to have choir during the Rockies game tonight. If they win, I get at least three other chances to watch them. If they lose, I won't feel that I wasted three hours watching the game.

At least that's what I'm telling myself. [Biased]

(To the extent that the Choirmaster has the least interest in any sport, it's baseball, so depending on his mood, we may have occasional score updates throughout rehearsal.)

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Disappointing end to a great season. The Rockies were down 6-0 at one point, and battled back within one run twice, only to give up two separate two run triples (including one to the DBacks' set up man who rarely ever bats, much less gets hits) to go back into deep holes. Valiant effort, but never quite enough to get the job done. [Waterworks]

Go Cleveland?

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The Diamondbacks have been going strong of late. Even the Dodgers should be a little scared to face them right now.

So we are up to the Divisional Series. IIRC, these are best-of-5. They start today in the AL, with Boston Red Sox @ Houston Astros, followed by NY Yankees @ Cleveland Indians.

Tomorrow will by the NL's turn with Chicago Cubs @ Washington Nationals, followed by Arizona Diamondbacks @ LA Dodgers.

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Harking back to a post I made earlier in the season, of the eight playoff teams, here is how long since the franchise last won a World Series (or how long the franchise has been in existence for Houston and Washington, both of whom have never won a World Series):

Cleveland Indians: 68 seasons
Houston Astros: 55 seasons
Washington Nationals: 48 seasons*
LA Dodgers: 28 seasons
Arizona Diamondbacks: 15 seasons
NY Yankees: 7 seasons
Boston Red Sox: 3 seasons
Chicago Cubs: 0 seasons

*Of course, they were not in Washington for all that time. The franchise started as the Montreal Expos.

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Houston Astros have just eliminated the Boston Red Sox, 3 games to 1.

Houston will next play the winner of the Yankees-Indians series. The Indians lead that one 2 game to 1.

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quote:
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The Diamondbacks have been going strong of late. Even the Dodgers should be a little scared to face them right now.

The Dodgers are up two games to none after two games at Dodger Stadium. But tonight they're in Phoenix, and the Dodgers are putting Yu Darvish up against Zach Greinke. God knows why; I certainly don't. He was supposed to be the one more great pitcher they needed, but he hasn't been at all impressive yet. Please let it be yet!
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And another one bites the dust, as the Dodgers completed their sweep of the Arizona Diamondbacks.

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With Boston out, I am now cheering for Cleveland.
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The Dodgers-Dbacks game was great. Greinke did not look good, but Arizona put up a very good fight nevertheless, and the Dodgers left something like 10 guys on base in scoring position. But still swept! So are the only undefeated team in the post-season, unless I'm missing something.
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With Boston out, I am now cheering for Cleveland.

Next up?

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I'm feeling bad for Cleveland fans today. Ouch.
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So is anyone going to take a game off of the Dodgers or can we just crown their @$$'s right now?

I do love that Puig is having the playoffs of a lifetime, and obviously having a blast the whole time. I've never understood why everyone insists that players act like adults out there, at least as far as celebrating hits. You get a big hit in a playoff game, have some fun. You earned it.

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So is anyone going to take a game off of the Dodgers or can we just crown their @$$'s right now?

The Cubs did take one, which made me sad. But now I'm posting in the middle of the third inning in game 5: Dodgers are up 7-0. [Yipee] The WS starts Tuesday!
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Rooting for the Yankees is like rooting for U.S. Steel.
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Looks like I’m pulling for the Dodgers. [Frown]

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Yeah, I'd root for any team playing the Yankees, especially a California team. (On sale at Fenway: t-shirts that read, "My favorite teams are the Red Sox and whoever is playing the Yankees.")

Maybe the Astros will stage a comeback? That would be lovely. And as Hedgehog has pointed out with his list of droughts, they're due.

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The Dodgers have been great in the play-offs. And the best WS would certainly be Dodgers-Astros. Now that could be a close series. If it happens, I think the awesome Verlander is very likely to win two for the Astros. But I fancy the Dodgers to take that series 4-2 or 4-3.

And if it's against the Yankees, I think the Dodgers win easily.

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The WS starts Tuesday!

and the Yankees are no where in sight. [Smile]

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Thoughts on how this will go? I'm picking the Dodgers in 7.
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I find myself unable to make any prediction. The playoffs actually functioned properly for a change, and we have a World Series between what are the two best teams in baseball. AS far as I am concerned, it is a coin flip on how it will go.

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I'm having a hard time picking my team.

The first World Series I ever watched was '88, the last time the Dodgers were in it. I was rooting for the Dodgers, my dad was rooting for the A's, and I still rub it in every time we are both present when they show the Gibson game 1 home run. Plus, as I said, I'm enjoying watching Yasiel Puig acting like a big kid out there.

On the other hand, my Facebook feed seems to be mostly pro-Astros. A number of friends live in LA, and I don't think one of them has mentioned the Dodgers all season. Plus I'm glad they brought back the old logo a few years ago.

I'd go with the Dodgers as the NL team, but the Astros still don't feel like an AL team to me.

I guess I'll just have to watch and enjoy until something pulls me one way or the other.

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Checked the score when I got home from choir last night, 3-1 Dodgers in the 8th, and went to bed, in an attempt to shorten the duration of a cold.

Apparently that was a bad decision?

With the previously untouchable Dodgers bullpen looking mortal for the first time in a while, we got a series!

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My prediction for the first two games was 1-1, which I thought would be one for Kershaw, one for Verlander. In the end the hitherto great Dodgers bullpen managed to lose one unexpectedly. I still think the Dodgers will win the WS 4-2 or 4-3. But it has all the makings of a great, close, series. More later nights for me!

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I'm afraid that the manager may have played it too clever by half by putting pitchers in and out until there was no one left for extra innings. The bull pen is splendid but it isn't bottomless.

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RuthW

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And it wasn't splendid the other night either!
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Well, yeah...

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Great win by the Dodgers; Bellinger out of the slump. And Kershaw v Keuchel up next again. Game 5 looks like the key.

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I'm very pleased the Series is level. 3-1 is tough for the trailing team but both have wins on the road, which (I suppose) gives the Dodgers an advantage.

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Rollercoaster game 5. Both starter pitchers are done, Dodgers led 4-0, then it became 4-4, then 7-4 to Dodgers, now 7-7! And we're at the bottom of the 4th! Wow!

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And the rollercoaster continued until the 10th. Wild game. Dodgers now up against it.

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The Sunday game was insane. Just nuts.

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Thoughts on how this will go? I'm picking the Dodgers in 7.

So -- there will be a seventh game. Please please please let me be 100% right!
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Ouch, RuthW. There's a mountain to climb now.

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Darvish chased in the second inning and 10 men left on base.

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Nothing to do but read Roger Angell and dream of mid-February, when pitchers and catchers will report.

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After watching Darvish in Game 3, I did wonder if the Dodgers should have made the bull pen the starting pitcher. From memory, the D-backs did that.

But leaving all those runners on base was a killer. Particularly in the first inning.

It was a great WS up to Game 7, deserved a closer finish than that. Congrats Astros.

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