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They are also closely allied (have the same staff) to the Christian Legal Centre which, AFAIK, have never won a case and have squandered (hopefully) millions of their 'supporters' cash on ineffective and ill-advised discrimination suits.

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Ah, but it is.

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Ah, but it is.

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Here's the "about" page of Christian Concern. It has the same address, 70 Wimpole Street, but has the title CCFCON Ltd.

Looks like a network of closely allied bodies.

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Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:

My impression is they are unto the likes of Stephen Green's Christian Voice as UKIP are unto Britain First.

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Re: Christian Concern

One of its 3 trustees is Celia Akyaa Apeagyei-Collins: she is also a Vice-President for TEARFUND, a director at CiC and on the steering committee of the National Church Leaders' Forum. I don't think any of these could be described as "fringe".

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Originally posted by Jemima the 9th:
Andrea Minichiello-Williams said "the anti-bullies are becoming the bullies."

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Originally posted by Jemima the 9th:
a friend and I are pondering setting up "Christians Not That Bothered Actually". Hallmarks to be an absence of persecution complex, a total disinterest in what consenting adults do in the bedroom, a keen approval of letting kids play (which is largely what the CofE guidance is about, ISTM) and other stuff as we think of it. All meetings to be held in the pub, natch.

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Originally posted by Jemima the 9th:
Andrea Minichiello-Williams said "the anti-bullies are becoming the bullies." Which I think demonstrates that she doesn't really understand what bullying is.

I would dearly, dearly love CC to fuck off to the far side of fuck, and then fuck off a bit more, but in the interim, a friend and I are pondering setting up "Christians Not That Bothered Actually". Hallmarks to be an absence of persecution complex, a total disinterest in what consenting adults do in the bedroom, a keen approval of letting kids play (which is largely what the CofE guidance is about, ISTM) and other stuff as we think of it. All meetings to be held in the pub, natch.

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Originally posted by la vie en rouge:
I think “claimed” is the operative word. AFAICT Christian Concern consists of one bloke with a typewriter. There may also be a dog.

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They are also closely allied (have the same staff) to the Christian Legal Centre which, AFAIK, have never won a case and have squandered (hopefully) millions of their 'supporters' cash on ineffective and ill-advised discrimination suits.

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From what I have read Christian Concern is a political organisation, hence not a charity. The CLC is there to get in the papers which it does well. I don't think it really tries to win cases.

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Originally posted by la vie en rouge:
I think “claimed” is the operative word. AFAICT Christian Concern consists of one bloke with a typewriter. There may also be a dog.

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Here's the "about" page of Christian Concern. It has the same address, 70 Wimpole Street, but has the title CCFCON Ltd.

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They are also closely allied (have the same staff) to the Christian Legal Centre which, AFAIK, have never won a case and have squandered (hopefully) millions of their 'supporters' cash on ineffective and ill-advised discrimination suits.

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Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
And that they have links to the mainstream. Their spokesperson, who appears to do all their talking, is on the General Synod, if I understand correctly.

I wish they'd stop whining about how heretical and apostate the Church is and just fuck off out of it, if it's so terrible. But no, they're determined to stay and save us. Because it's so obvious they're right and we're just compromising with the world, and listening to false prophets saying what our itching ears want to hear, and that eventually we'll see that if they keep on haranguing us. Either that, or they just want the legitimacy that comes with being part of the CofE. Or perhaps they think the CofE should be theirs and we should go. I don't know.

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To any claim by so-called Christian Concern that we're listening to false prophets saying what we want to hear, we can ask whether the prophets they listen to confirm their prejudices or whether they challenge their discipleship. . . . In other words, so-called Christian Concern are as . . . prone to listen to prophets who say what they want to hear as the rest of us.

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I wish they were that cynical. Genuinely.

Having sat in a room with Andrea and A N Other chap, she is most definitely 100% a True Believer in what she's saying. It got so positively awkward that I had to point out she really shouldn't assume that I was on the same page. Or even in the same library.

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Isn´t it quite clear that it´s Jesus will thay boys dress like girls

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To any claim by so-called Christian Concern that we're listening to false prophets saying what we want to hear, we can ask whether the prophets they listen to confirm their prejudices or whether they challenge their discipleship. . . . In other words, so-called Christian Concern are as . . . prone to listen to prophets who say what they want to hear as the rest of us.

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As someone once said: You know you've made God in your own image when he ends up hating the same people you do.

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My impression is they are unto the likes of Stephen Green's Christian Voice as UKIP are unto Britain First.

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Ah, Stephen Green. Another twat claiming to be the voice of Christians who wouldn't know Jesus Christ if He came round for dinner (which, ironically, He probably would do as He had a habit of eating with just about everyone - but most especially those people that the likes of so-called Christian Concern and so-called Christian Voice want nothing to do with).

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I wish they'd stop whining about how heretical and apostate the Church is and just fuck off out of it, if it's so terrible. But no, they're determined to stay and save us. Because it's so obvious they're right and we're just compromising with the world, and listening to false prophets saying what our itching ears want to hear, and that eventually we'll see that if they keep on haranguing us. Either that, or they just want the legitimacy that comes with being part of the CofE. Or perhaps they think the CofE should be theirs and we should go. I don't know.

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Yes it is. Unless my parish priest is getting it totally wrong every Sunday.

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...which reminds me of the song "Take A Leap, John Paul", a song that lesbian singer-songwriter Judy Fjell was asked to write when Pope JP II was coming to San Francisco on a visit. She said she thought, "Hmmm...the pope...coming to SF...in a dress".


(That's just the lyrics. There may be an audio online, somewhere. Nice tune.)

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Blessed Gator, pray for us!
--"Oh bat bladders, do you have to bring common sense into this?" (Dragon, "Jane & the Dragon")
--"Oh, Peace Train, save this country!" (Yusuf/Cat Stevens, "Peace Train")

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Re: Christian Concern

One of its 3 trustees is Celia Akyaa Apeagyei-Collins: she is also a Vice-President for TEARFUND, a director at CiC and on the steering committee of the National Church Leaders' Forum. I don't think any of these could be described as "fringe".

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Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
Isn't there some wicked poofter queen tranny you can go and hate? Rather than pissing your bile here as usual.

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Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
Last I knew they claimed 80,000 supporters

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To any claim by so-called Christian Concern that we're listening to false prophets saying what we want to hear, we can ask whether the prophets they listen to confirm their prejudices or whether they challenge their discipleship. Are they only listening to those who say what they want to hear?

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Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
My "agenda", Gorpo, is not to be an arsehole to people. To accept their own experience of being themselves.

Yours, and your fellow travellers', is apparently to insist they don't know the first thing about themselves and that they should accept your interpretation of a centuries old text set in a completely different culture, no matter how miserable that makes them.

And of course to openly display your hatred of wicked progressives who want to see people freed from your attempts to control their bodies and lives by denying them their rights.

Isn't there some wicked poofter queen tranny you can go and hate? Rather than pissing your bile here as usual.

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Your ideology insist that some people are born in the wrong body (even if it is clinically healthy), and therefore they can go trough dozens of surgeries and hormone treatment in order to fix it. Then, after they go to the whole process, you find out that 40% of them attempt suicide. Yes, you´re ideology is telling you that they attempt suicide because of the discrimination they suffer (even tough other discriminated groups don´t show higher rates of suicide attempts then the overall population, for example, black people have lower rates of suicide then white people).

Your ideology claim that it is immoral to help those people by treating their mental disorder, because the right way to treat it is changing their body. Even if their lives after the transition becomes far worse then it was before.

Your ideology claims that this should be taught to children at a very early age, and that anyone who questions it is full of hate.

Your ideology claims that preaching people to accept and love their bodies is "controlling their bodies". Teaching that they shoul go trough a painful and unnatural transition and then have crappy life tryng to commit suicide is really freeing these people.

Yet you still think people are going to be impressed by you congratulating yourself for how good you are for supporting this poor suffering people.

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Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
Oh, I don't pretend they're not a problem at all. Christian Concern are a real problem, making Christians look like a bunch of prejudiced bigots who have it in for anyone who's not straight and cisgender. But from my reading of your posts, that's what you want. You see gay and transgender people as fundamentally bad, and think it's fine to deny them their rights. And that is the problem.

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