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Originally posted by Baptist Trainfan:
Thinking of side doors ...
Like most Ministers, I stand at the church door after the service and shake hands with folk as they leave.
The other week I went to King Charles The Martyr in Royal.tonbridge Wells as a civilian (ie not a MW), and we were invited to the hall for tea.
Unfortunately, we couldn'tget out of the church because the vicar was engaged in a *very* long conversation with someone *in* the doorway and there was just no way past!
At that point I really wished we'd been on duty!
(And the fact we couldn't actually find the hall)
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Gamaliel
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Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
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Originally posted by Albertus:
And actually, of course, in many A-C churches there are, or can be, lots of jobs that children can do, or help with.
Yeah, this is often said, but my kids had absolutely no interest in doing them. These jobs (which they did try for a few services) didn't make the service any less tedious and dull to them.
Your post made me wonder what kind of church activity would appeal to my own kids ...
After all, they grew up in 'lively' church settings and that didn't float their boat. They are aware of more traditional settings but haven't had a great deal of direct exposure to them ... although they used to refer to this as 'strict church' when they were little as they assumed that anything with a bit of decorum would be harsh in some way ...
The answer is, I don't really know.
They went on a few 'Youth for Christ' type residential events and came back singularly unimpressed and doing toe-curlingly accurate impressions of what they'd been subjected to ...
'And yeah, right ... God is just awesome, right? Listen to this from the Bible right? [insert verse of choice]. Isn't that amazing?! Awesome! Whoaaoahhhh ...'
And so on and so forth ...
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But then, someone swinging a thurible wouldn't have impressed them much either ...
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Why do so many churches "train" children to take up a collection before they teach them anything else? (I'm not just referring to your church Helen-Eva -- I've seen this in various churches all my life.)
Because one of the most important facets of christianity is generosity
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I was brought up as very traditional.
we used to go to a children's church club at our local pentecostal church, which I loved.
One week we were invited to their Sunday service.
It was awful. I was really scared in the service, because it was very full-on and intense.
that one experience put me off that kind of worship.
I still find it very hard to join in with that kind of worship.
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I should apologise for not including the word 'British' in that sentence. I wasn't referring to churches throughout the world.
It's not a mere opinion, sadly; I've read research that highlights the problems that many British churches face with regards to offering adequate provision for children's work.
Congregations have reduced in size, parents value religious education less, and there are so many more exciting leisure options. It's unsurprising therefore that what's on offer at most churches isn't going to meet the standards that children are likely to have.
As an example of the problem, 48% of CofE churches have fewer than five children under the age of 16.
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(one of the Organist's twins here)
The sight of any of the following: drum kit, microphone stand, screen, theatre lighting.
Or a vicar who greets newcomers with "call me Tony" and seems not to own a pair of proper shoes.
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Originally posted by L'organist:
(one of the Organist's twins here)
The sight of any of the following: drum kit, microphone stand, screen, theatre lighting.
But, presumably, a Rood Screen would be just fine?
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Much favoured, in fact. One of my two alternate shacks has an exquisite rood screen - beautiful, detailed, and see-through.
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There is a painting over the altar at All Souls, Langham Place, not that it is often on view. Normally it is covered by the screen on which to project whatever, I guess words of anything sung and images.
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Images?
At All Souls, Langham Place?
Is Outrage!
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Went back to a former church to discover that a large screen had been put up - it would completely block off the choir stalls from the nave pews! I think different types of church furniture sends a strong message, although it might be misleading you'd be forgiven for thinking that you can read a lot about a church from just walking in through the door. Apparently the same church has decided the pulpit is no longer needed, so they have put it in a shed.
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Originally posted by Chorister:
Apparently the same church has decided the pulpit is no longer needed, so they have put it in a shed.
Some sermons might be improved by being preached from a shed. (But I assume the preacher is in the church, just not using the pulpit.)
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L'organist
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All Soul's LP had a lot of very fine church furnishings which simply "vanished" when the reordering took place.
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I want yes at the church and it was prayed and bread and it was good
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Originally posted by L'organist:
(one of the Organist's twins here)
The sight of any of the following: drum kit, microphone stand, screen, theatre lighting.
Or a vicar who greets newcomers with "call me Tony" and seems not to own a pair of proper shoes.
Call me biased, I'm the drummer.
Guilty of all of these except the vicar isn't called Tony and has decent shoes. Plus we have 2 Sunday morning serviced so you can avoid hearing the drums and hear the organ instead by attending the 9am service.
As for screens, we now has 2, which block the view to bits of boring wall, replacing the one which blocked the view to our rather nice east window. When we installed the first obtrusive screen congregational singing improved as the were now singing with heads raised, rather than mumbling down into hymn books.
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Originally posted by balaam:
Plus we have 2 Sunday morning serviced so you can avoid hearing the drums and hear the organ instead by attending the 9am service.
Churches that assume that everyone who appreciates traditional music and liturgy is up at the crack of dawn.
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Originally posted by Amanda B. Reckondwythe:
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Originally posted by balaam:
Plus we have 2 Sunday morning serviced so you can avoid hearing the drums and hear the organ instead by attending the 9am service.
Churches that assume that everyone who appreciates traditional music and liturgy is up at the crack of dawn.
If that is not an option, one can skip Sunday worship and leave it until mid-week Communion, say on a Wednesday and it may be traditional rite.
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Originally posted by Ecclesiastical Flip-flop:
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Originally posted by Amanda B. Reckondwythe:
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Originally posted by balaam:
Plus we have 2 Sunday morning serviced so you can avoid hearing the drums and hear the organ instead by attending the 9am service.
Churches that assume that everyone who appreciates traditional music and liturgy is up at the crack of dawn.
If that is not an option, one can skip Sunday worship and leave it until mid-week Communion, say on a Wednesday and it may be traditional rite.
Does your mid-week Communion include full choir and organ?
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Rather unlikely, I would think, though some of the churches in the City of London do have a fairly traditional (not necessarily BCP) Eucharist with hymns (or even a full-on Sung Eucharist) at or around lunchtime during the week.
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Originally posted by Pigwidgeon:
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Originally posted by Ecclesiastical Flip-flop:
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Originally posted by Amanda B. Reckondwythe:
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Originally posted by balaam:
Plus we have 2 Sunday morning serviced so you can avoid hearing the drums and hear the organ instead by attending the 9am service.
Churches that assume that everyone who appreciates traditional music and liturgy is up at the crack of dawn.
If that is not an option, one can skip Sunday worship and leave it until mid-week Communion, say on a Wednesday and it may be traditional rite.
Does your mid-week Communion include full choir and organ?
Bishops Finger beat me to it in answering your question and I would have made reference to mid-week Sung Eucharist in London as well. Outside London, mid-week morning said Euchist (on a Wednesday or a different day) are quite commonplace, sometimes using a traditional rite.
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Originally posted by Amanda B. Reckondwythe:
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Originally posted by balaam:
Plus we have 2 Sunday morning serviced so you can avoid hearing the drums and hear the organ instead by attending the 9am service.
Churches that assume that everyone who appreciates traditional music and liturgy is up at the crack of dawn.
Churches with only one worship space means that one service is too early and the other you will not be out until 12.30.
The first service is the one which has a set finish time, communion with hymns takes around one hour. The contemporary service can be open ended (but not too long or people with food cooking will leave early.)
Having said that, having music that is played well, regardless of style, is what attracts. We're fortunate in having a wealth of musicians.
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Originally posted by balaam:
Churches with only one worship space means that one service is too early and the other you will not be out until 12.30. ....
Churches with more than one worship space capable of being used for two different services simultaneously must be be very rare. That's even before one considers whether there's something fundamentally wrong in the concept of encouraging the members to meet in some other way than as one body.
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Originally posted by Enoch:
Churches with more than one worship space capable of being used for two different services simultaneously must be be very rare. That's even before one considers whether there's something fundamentally wrong in the concept of encouraging the members to meet in some other way than as one body.
Agreed. But several churches have different services of different styles spread through the day, from early BCP Communion to Parish Eucharist to Family Service to Messy Church ... your dictum would say every church should have a single service only. And perhaps you're right.
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Orthodox churches only have one Eucharist a day, apparently. So you couldn't have an 8am one and an 11am one, say, for different congregations within the same parish with a different 'style' for each.
In the West, though that particular horse has long since bolted.
I'm uncomfortable with two services within a single congregation, such as the pattern at our local parish church, but at least a 9am service allows respite and refuge for those who don't want to be subjected to the silly stuff that goes on at 11am ...
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Occasionally, I have heard of two worship services, each of a different worship style, held on the same church premises at the same time. Such as one eucharistic and the other non-eucharistic. I don't go to a church where that happens, but if I did, I would normally select the eucharistic service.
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In orthodox churches,as Gamaliel says, the eucharist is only celebrated once each day.The Sunday liturgy comprising both Matins and Eucharist lasts for several hours.The faithful are not obliged to attend all or indeed any of the Divine Liturgy.Many worshippers will come and go just as they wish.
What you will not find,however, are the sort of things you find in many Western churches such as outreach,all age,or family oriented services.There is not really anything like 'simple Low Mass'
The Western church established the idea of a number of services,cutting down the length of these.
Byzantine rite Catholic churches will sometimes have more than one Divine liturgy celebrated on the same day,but it is not common.
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Originally posted by Baptist Trainfan:
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Originally posted by Enoch:
Churches with more than one worship space capable of being used for two different services simultaneously must be be very rare. That's even before one considers whether there's something fundamentally wrong in the concept of encouraging the members to meet in some other way than as one body.
Agreed. But several churches have different services of different styles spread through the day, from early BCP Communion to Parish Eucharist to Family Service to Messy Church ... your dictum would say every church should have a single service only. And perhaps you're right.
If anything that particular pattern of having more than one service is growing, at least in the part of London where I live. Two nearby churches have an 8am BCP Eucharist, another at 9.15 which is aimed more at families, and a sung Eucharist at 10.30. Another nearby church has around 60 to 90 people at its 8am with many families attending at this hour.
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This "market segmentation" not only raises profound questions about the nature of our "gathering" but poses a real problems for churches which only have the resources to offer one service. To put it bluntly, many people seem to want church to be done "their way"; if it isn't, they will wipe the dust from their feet and look elsewhere. Churches that must try to satisfy everyone may well find it impossible to please anyone!
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Originally posted by Enoch:
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Originally posted by balaam:
Churches with only one worship space means that one service is too early and the other you will not be out until 12.30. ....
Churches with more than one worship space capable of being used for two different services simultaneously must be be very rare. That's even before one considers whether there's something fundamentally wrong in the concept of encouraging the members to meet in some other way than as one body.
They probably are quite rare.
But in some cases the only realistic alternative to running two services for different people already attending a single church is for the unfavoured group to leave that church entirely - and how does that encourage the notion of 'one body'?
Moreover, there are plenty of churches that raise much needed funds by renting rooms out to a second (or third, etc.) congregation from another denomination. Should that be discouraged because it goes against 'one body'?
The idea that we should all be doing the same thing in the same way at the same time also feels rather anti-democratic to me. It's not very Protestant, is it? It also seems quite reactionary, in that it denies the reality of our pluralistic, multicultural, diverse communities.
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The great (if maybe now rather forgotten) Fr Conrad Noel, who was vicar of the splendid parish church in Thaxted, had a vision of such churches as being like a cathedral. Not in the sense of lots of formal services, but as the mother church which (our Lord's image, not necessarily his) gathers all her children under her wings. So that alongside a splendid Eucharist with colour and music and incense etc, you would have a Quaker meeting taking place in another room, an evangelical praise service in another, and so on. All would be able to worship in accordance with their traditions and 'comfort zone', but they would be conscious of being members of the same Body and would come together from time to time for joint acts of worship. Instead of seeing this as divisive it could be a pattern of true ecumenism. Catholic as being inclusive, celebrating the Body; Protestant as allowing for freedom of conscience and expression.
Liverpool Cathedral already operates a bit like that. There is a formal sung eucharist in the nave, while simultaneously in the crypt is something more like café church. Later is a Persian-language eucharist for the many recent immigrants from the near east.
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Originally posted by Enoch:
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Originally posted by balaam:
Churches with only one worship space means that one service is too early and the other you will not be out until 12.30. ....
Churches with more than one worship space capable of being used for two different services simultaneously must be be very rare. That's even before one considers whether there's something fundamentally wrong in the concept of encouraging the members to meet in some other way than as one body.
Church halls are fairly commonly used for services - while it's unusual for them for be used at the same time as a service in the actual church, it does happen. So usually the space is there (churches that don't have a church hall must be relatively uncommon), but most churches seem uninterested in doing that - it does seem lacking in togetherness.
Megachurches will have multiple buildings and even multiple campuses, like universities.
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I have been in the church and it was good 1
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Originally posted by Pomona:
That's even before one considers whether there's something fundamentally wrong in the concept of encouraging the members to meet in some other way than as one body.
Many churches around my way have a main congregation and a separate Chinese or Korean congregation, often non-denominational or from a different denomination.
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Originally posted by Enoch:
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Originally posted by balaam:
Churches with only one worship space means that one service is too early and the other you will not be out until 12.30. ....
Churches with more than one worship space capable of being used for two different services simultaneously must be be very rare. That's even before one considers whether there's something fundamentally wrong in the concept of encouraging the members to meet in some other way than as one body.
A special case, of course, but the chaplaincy centre at my university had two chapels on either side of a central concourse. On most Sundays worship began together in the concourse before separating into "Anglican and Free Church" and "Roman Catholic". Personally I always preferred the joint services as that at least guaranteed a communion service and some sort of liturgy. The chaplaincy team at least had the charity to also hold a mid-week communion service.
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Many churches around my way have a main congregation and a separate Chinese or Korean congregation, often non-denominational or from a different denomination.
Almost ubiquitous in British city churches. Some of the "guest" congregations are a lot bigger than the "hosts"!
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Yes, we were asked (some while ago) if we could host a Mar Thoma congregation on Sunday afternoon, initially just once a month, IIRC. Alas, they found another church, as parking at Our Place on a Sunday is difficult, and the Other Place has a bigger car park... ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
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Churches with more than one worship space capable of being used for two different services simultaneously must be be very rare. That's even before one considers whether there's something fundamentally wrong in the concept of encouraging the members to meet in some other way than as one body.
If you go to the 9.30am Parish Communion in St David's Cathedral you'll find two options: in English at the High Altar and in Welsh in the Lady Chapel.
Both congregations sing hymns at the same time, to the same tunes.
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That must call for a high degree of precision timing and co-operation by the preachers - presumably each option has its sermon in its own language?
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EVERYTHING is in its own language: presumably because the organ carries throughout the building (a magnificent Willis, no less) they choose hymns that can be sung in either language depending on where in the building one is sitting.
But then they do things very well down there on the westernmost tip: at the end of every weekday evensog ALL the clergy on duty stand and chat/ shake hands, etc with every member of the congregation as they leave - something other cathedrals might try?
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Indeed, and that's something that would perhaps encourage people thus greeted to attend other services!
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Banners like this? (Our rector found this in a closet and shared it on Facebook.)
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The link you followed may have expired, or the page may only be visible to an audience you're not in.
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Originally posted by Al Eluia:
Banners like this? (Our rector found this in a closet and shared it on Facebook.)
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The link you followed may have expired, or the page may only be visible to an audience you're not in.
Neither can I.
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Same here - and, of course, we now ALL want to know what's on that banner!
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Aaagh! Page not found!
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Bishops Finger
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Yes, it says that the page cannot be found, and that the link may be broken, or the page may have been removed.
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Horseman Bree
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Originally posted by Chorister:
Went back to a former church to discover that a large screen had been put up - it would completely block off the choir stalls from the nave pews! I think different types of church furniture sends a strong message, although it might be misleading you'd be forgiven for thinking that you can read a lot about a church from just walking in through the door. Apparently the same church has decided the pulpit is no longer needed, so they have put it in a shed.
Sorry to be slow responding. I used to attend a church that had a truly ugly plywood sort-of-container for a pulpit, left over from the early '70s. No-one said anything at all when the rector took it apart and allowed it to exit through his fireplace. He then preached from the lectern or the center steps, which was far better.
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