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Bishops Finger
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What are these service booklets of which you speak?
There are no Errors, Typographical or Doctrinal, in the Book of Common Prayer.
Harumph.
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Baptist Trainfan
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And do you know of any church which follows EXACTLY a liturgy as printed in BCP without adding, subtracting or changing something? Very confusing for visitors!
(Same is true for use of CW, of course).
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Rosa Gallica officinalis
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Originally posted by Baptist Trainfan:
And do you know of any church which follows EXACTLY a liturgy as printed in BCP without adding, subtracting or changing something? Very confusing for visitors!
(Same is true for use of CW, of course).
I've heard that doing BCP exactly as written is the quickest way to put off it's fans.
(I've not yet had the courage to tell them they're not meant to join in)
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I love that in many English-speaking RC parishes, they still have little leaflets to help the congregation with the words of the new translation, but so many priests go on improvising their own prayers in all sorts of places, much as they did with the old translation.
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Originally posted by Bishops Finger:
What are these service booklets of which you speak?
There are no Errors, Typographical or Doctrinal, in the Book of Common Prayer.
Harumph.
IJ (Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells)
If you can convince the Church of Scotland of the merits of the BCP you're a better man than me. Or, as they say: you go first, we'll see who gets a stool thrown at them.
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The bulletin at our place last night had the words to "Silent Night" printed out as we'd be moving during the singing to get in place for the candles, so hymnals wouldn’t be practical. (After communion, we move into a large circle around the pews for the candles/last hymns—always “Silent Night" and “Joy to the World.”) Apparently, all was clam, all was bright.
Then there was the year in the church of my youth when the minister, presumably thinking of straw, recalled how they laid the baby Jesus in the slaw. The look on his wife’s face was priceless.
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Our missalette for yesterday morning's mass proclaimed that Mary was the 'handmade' of the Lord.
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I never discovered if it was a typo or a statement of heresy, but a church i attended some years ago had this line in 'Adeste fideles'
'Word of the Father, now in faith appearing,' thereby implicitly denying the Incarnation.
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Arethosemyfeet
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And yes, my service booklet was full of typos, odd versions of carols that I'd missed when I copied and pasted and, worst of all, AMERICANISMS! ![[Two face]](graemlins/scot_twoface.gif)
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RuthW
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One of the many reasons I almost never attend a service at the church where I work is that I really don't want to be sitting there on a Sunday morning and see a typo in the bulletin and feel every eye in the place on me!
I'm wondering, Arethosemyfeet: how on earth did you manage to get AMERICANISMS in your service booklet?!?
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Originally posted by RuthW:
One of the many reasons I almost never attend a service at the church where I work is that I really don't want to be sitting there on a Sunday morning and see a typo in the bulletin and feel every eye in the place on me!
I did attend services at the church where I worked and had the same problem!
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Zappa
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Originally posted by RuthW:
I'm wondering, Arethosemyfeet: how on earth did you manage to get AMERICANISMS in your service booklet?!?
Apart from things like "color" I wonder if any managed the quote on one of my most loved tee-shirts, emblazoned on the front, "and also with y'all."
Fortunately at the pad that I attend these days the liturgy was in Māori, and while I have some Māori I'm sure as 'eck not up to finding errors.
Though even without advanced linguistic skills, I'd have to say that in any other context I would find singing this as a hymn to be somewhat errant. But singing it in Māori surrounded by people who have, in the past 18 months, given me a whole new lease of faith-life, meant that typos, theological glitches, and a myriad liturgico-theological dubiousities paled into insignificance, because love was there.
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Not a service book typo but a Powerpoint one last week ... I got the chorus of "Ding dong merrily" muddled and changed "Hosanna in excelsis" into "In excelsis Deo" which doesn't quite scan . We managed to get through OK after v.1!
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Bishops Finger
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It was pointed out to me (after the Crib Service) that the leaflet - which we have used for several successive Christmases - contains the classic While Shepherds Watched typo, to wit, the line 'Goodwill henceforth from heaven to me'.....
Now, I'd produced the leaflet, and I'd never noticed it, so presumably everyone who did was too afraid of my Wrath to mention it.... ![[Ultra confused]](graemlins/confused2.gif)
The person who spotted it was our visiting organist, a lady whose first language is not English.
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Baptist Trainfan
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And who therefore has a better awareness of grammar and syntax than Native Speakers of the language.
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Bishops Finger
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BT said:
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And who therefore has a better awareness of grammar and syntax than Native Speakers of the language.
Hey! I resemble that remark!
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One silly, one kind of amazing...
This summer, we had an update from the Episcopal Public Policy Network. Unfortunately, an "l" was left out in a way that spellcheck would not catch, and thus we had an update from the Episcopal Pubic Policy Network. (My brain is not wired to catch that kind of thing, so I can't claim credit for spotting it.)
Now the amazing one. When we got married, the Queen of Bashan and I thought, for various reasons both biological and personal, that kids were not in the cards. So we asked the church to leave out the optional prayer to bless the couple with children. It slipped in anyway, which was a bit embarrassing for everyone there, who were all in the know about our future plans, but it wasn't a big deal. Three years later, we were in front of the congregation for a blessing of our adopted child. So be careful what you pray for.
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At a diocesan 'bash' a few years ago we found ourselves singing: 'will you kiss the leopard clean if you but call my name?' It sounded even more risky than the original...
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It's not just service sheets. There is a plaque in one of my churches with a lovely typo, or engraving error, I suppose. The gentleman commemorated fought in the Peninsular wars of the early 19th century, but in the word "Peninsular" the engraver missed out the second n. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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The highly organized and accurate lady who prepared the service sheets at our shack has recently retired. Her replacement isn't yet quite up to the same standard. We were recently offered instructions for those who wished to receive communion by intuition.
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The worst one I ever heard of - and in a manner laid.
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Kaplan Corday
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I have seen crucifixion written as crucifiction in a home-published hymnbook.
I don't think it represented a latter-day resurgence of Docetism.
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The worst one I ever heard of - and in a manner laid.
In our old carols booklet (littered with typos) Jesus was often laid in a manager - which caused some regular hilarity. Fortunately the whole thing has been updated and rewritten, with some new carols added. I produced it, and was careful to get rid of every typo I could find...there remains one mistake (not a typo) but I haven't told anyone what it is, and nobody's complained yet...
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Originally posted by Pine Marten:
In our old carols booklet (littered with typos) Jesus was often laid in a manager - which caused some regular hilarity. Fortunately the whole thing has been updated and rewritten, with some new carols added. I produced it, and was careful to get rid of every typo I could find...there remains one mistake (not a typo) but I haven't told anyone what it is, and nobody's complained yet...
Oh, please tell us -- we won't breathe a word to anyone else.
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Zappa
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Originally posted by Kaplan Corday:
I have seen crucifixion written as crucifiction in a home-published hymnbook.
I don't think it represented a latter-day resurgence of Docetism.
Funnily enough, although until Bill Gates came along I was an outstanding (and outstandingly modest ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif) ) speller, it was one word I often got wrong. I didn't move in religious circles pre-adulthood so it rarely came up.
If only someone had pointed out to me that "fiction" etymologises (yeah, okay, my neologism and why not ... it's a free world) from fingere (to form, mold, shape, devise, feign) and beyond that fictio, whereas "crucifixion" derives from the verb "crucifigere" ... which derives from figo which is more closely related to fix (as in nail, glue etc)
Now if only I'd known that when I was doing my English lessons aged ten ... my school master hated me enough as it was (I was useless at cricket) but still ...
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Robert Armin
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One of the carols we sang over Christmas was "Once in Royal Davis's city". Most people never noticed at all.
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I once sang rather loudly the verse of "All things Bright and Beautiful" that is the subject of this Telegraph article. The reason being that while I did not endorse that line, what was actually printed was worse as "grave" had been substituted for "gate".
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Many years ago, I was at a pilgrimage Mass where the Mass Setting was to the tune of "Holy, holy, holy, holy, holy, holy, Lord God almighty".
Sadly, one line had us snickering a bit: "And we lift our hards before you as a token of our love. Holy, holy, holy, holy."
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Not a bulletin misprint per se, but one time I sent out a bunch of publicity alerting people to our upcoming "Service of Lessons and Carlos". Carlos never showed up, but it was a fine service just the same.
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Many years down the track, I still remember the wedding service where everyone sang FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT WITH ALL THY MIGHT. Why anyone would choose such a song at a wedding remains a mystery, but this error by the printer caused much mirth. Every time those words occurred, they were in upper case.
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A few years ago I played for a wedding with a wonderful typo. Most of the guests having been to the sort of school that had compulsory chapel they sang the hymns lustily as printed in the order of service, including Immoral, invisible, God only wise ![[Killing me]](graemlins/killingme.gif)
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Not a typo but ... We sang the hymn "Thou didst leave thy throne" on Sunday, in its original version which includes the line "Thy couch was the sod, O Thou Son of God". No-one giggled, which is unusual!
Modern hymnbooks often recast this line.
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Many years ago we had a typed carol sheet including
"Sing, choirs of angels,
Sin in exultation"
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The scariest one I ever saw was:
"Holy Mary, mother of God, pray for us sinners now at the hour of our death. Amen"
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Originally posted by The Man with a Stick:
The scariest one I ever saw was:
"Holy Mary, mother of God, pray for us sinners now at the hour of our death. Amen"
Is that what you call a zero-tolerance approach to sin? ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
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Amanda B. Reckondwythe
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Originally posted by L'organist:
they sang the hymns lustily as printed in the order of service, including Immoral, invisible, God only wise
The typist may have been thinking of this.
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Originally posted by RuthW:
One of the many reasons I almost never attend a service at the church where I work is that I really don't want to be sitting there on a Sunday morning and see a typo in the bulletin and feel every eye in the place on me!
I have a coworker who (un)helpfully points them all out to me the next work day. But at least I avoid the stares in church!
At my church, a couple of years ago, a rubric in the bulletin invited the congregation to "All sin heartily."
...I mean, we're in full communion now with the ELCA, but we're not going to just quote Luther directly!
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My favourite error dates from a theological college around the turn of the millennium, where the Collect for Purity was rendered thus:
Almighty God, to whom all hearts are open, all desires known, and from whom all secrets are hidden . . .
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Though this was not a typo, I once sang something completely wrong that completely changed a hymn. The hymn is called "Ren og rettferdig" ("pure and justified") and is a standard Norwegian revival type hymn, written in 1895. See more here, unfortunately in Norwegian: http://salmebloggen.no/2016/09/17/ren-og-rettferdig/
One of the lines says, "Å, jeg er frelst og salig fordi SØNNEN har gjort meg virkelig fri," which translated roughly as "Oh, I am saved and blessed because THE SON has really set me free."
But I sang, "Å, jeg er frelst og salig fordi SYNDEN har gjort meg virkelig fri," which translated roughly as "Oh, I am saved and blessed because THE SIN has really set me free." Yeah………
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I do all my own PowerPoint slides and sometimes there are bloopers.
One memorable one was in the lovely song, Jesus what a beautiful name...
Only, it now read, Jesus, what a beautiful dame.
If that wasn't bad enough, a wag in the band called out, 'She's behind you!'
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Originally posted by k-mann:
Though this was not a typo, I once sang something completely wrong that completely changed a hymn. The hymn is called "Ren og rettferdig" ("pure and justified") and is a standard Norwegian revival type hymn, written in 1895. See more here, unfortunately in Norwegian: http://salmebloggen.no/2016/09/17/ren-og-rettferdig/
One of the lines says, "Å, jeg er frelst og salig fordi SØNNEN har gjort meg virkelig fri," which translated roughly as "Oh, I am saved and blessed because THE SON has really set me free."
But I sang, "Å, jeg er frelst og salig fordi SYNDEN har gjort meg virkelig fri," which translated roughly as "Oh, I am saved and blessed because THE SIN has really set me free." Yeah………
A mistake that could just have easily been made in English.
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Really enjoying this thread!
Some of you regulars will maybe remember me posting this before, but it's always been a favourite typo of mine, and of mine own doing!
I used to do the funeral sheets in a past parish, and would cut/paste and replace the names of the deceased throughout the liturgy, automatically. So if we had finished with Mary Smith's funeral and now wanted to go on to the next, all I had to do was ask the computer to remove Mary's name and replace it with the next decedent's name.
Hence the unfortunate occasion during the creed when we all solemnly affirmed that Jesus was 'born of the Virgin Albert'.
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Is Outrage!
And even Worse Outrage than being born of the Virgin Edith, say...
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I do a similar thing with my own copy of the order of service for weddings so that the names of the couples are printed in front of me, and I do not make a mistake.
I was, however, taken aback at one wedding to find myself being invited to read that (e.g.) "they shall be united in that love as Robertt is united with his bride, the Church." and in the Collect to be invited to pray the words "We ask this through our Lord Jesus Robertt your Son…" The previous groom had been called Chris. Luckily it is a sheet for me only!
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