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It's rare that I'm surprised by the shitbrains of American fundamentalists, who strive at every turn to fill even the heathen children's heads with nonscientific YEC propaganda dressed up in the guise of scientific knowledge, but this is beyond the pale:
How American fundamentalists are using Nessie to disprove evolution.
REALLY? The Loch Ness monster?? THAT'S your argument that scientists don't know what they're talking about? Some hazy pictures and local folk lore about a fictional beast that sounds kinda like a dinosaur disproves evolutionary biology?
I'm so fucking tired of these brainless, dickless, friendless, loveless, soulless, dishonest, disreputable, malodorous, malevolent, pants-on-head-on-fire-insane backward toothless fucknuggets shitting up Christianity and shitting up the United States. 40 years ago we were sending humans to the moon. 40 years from now we'll be condemning the internal combustion engine as a form of sorcery. ![[Mad]](angryfire.gif)
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Yes, fundies may be tiring, but do bear in mind that there seems to be a tendency among those of the opposite extreme to conflate science with a particular philosophy - something I find particularly wearisome and not very intelligent or honest.
So perhaps if certain vociferous fanatics give up associating science with atheism, you might just find a bit more moderation on the fundie front.
Just as "violence begets violence", so idiocy begets idiocy.
A bit more light and less heat, methinks.
In fact, instead of referring to certain people as "shitbrains" and "fucknuggets" (how very mature of you!), why not actually try to make some effort to understand their concerns? Or is that too much trouble for you on your self-righteous soapbox?
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Welp, I'm convinced!
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Mockingale
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Originally posted by EtymologicalEvangelical:
In fact, instead of referring to certain people as "shitbrains" and "fucknuggets" (how very mature of you!), why not actually try to make some effort to understand their concerns? Or is that too much trouble for you on your self-righteous soapbox?
I understand their concerns:
1) Some never developed beyond the intellectual level of an eight-year old and are incapable of grasping metaphor and symbolic thought - Genesis must be literally, factually true in every detail or else nothing in the Bible is of any use;
2) Others see any change as threatening the entire order of society - for heaven's sake, we even let women vote and wear pants!
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Originally posted by Mockingale:
I'm so fucking tired of these brainless... [etc]
So dinosaurs coexisting with humans is stupid, but it’s totally reasonable to believe that a bloke who was conceived without sexual union and born to a bronze-age Middle-Eastern peasant virgin woman was in fact also God The Fuckoff Almighty (who has really sick Superpowers and made the universe and everything in it) as well as the Holy Ghost, who (it says in some tatty old manuscrips that were written a century later) mooched about a random patch of desert a couple of thousand years ago telling everyone to be nice, and variously healed the blind, cleansed leprosy, reversed paralysis, resolved perpetual menorrhagia, cured dropsy, withered hands and deafness, calmed storms and walked on water, raised the dead and turned water into wine, who promptly got executed by the local authorities, and, after being dead for three days came back to life again and thereby bought every single man woman and child who ever lived a free ticket to an eternal life of perfect bliss in heaven after we all die.
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Mockingale
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Originally posted by Yorick:
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Originally posted by Mockingale:
I'm so fucking tired of these brainless... [etc]
So dinosaurs coexisting with humans is stupid, but it’s totally reasonable to believe that a bloke who was conceived without sexual union and born to a bronze-age Middle-Eastern peasant virgin woman was in fact also God The Fuckoff Almighty (who has really sick Superpowers and made the universe and everything in it) as well as the Holy Ghost, who (it says in some tatty old manuscrips that were written a century later) mooched about a random patch of desert a couple of thousand years ago telling everyone to be nice, and variously healed the blind, cleansed leprosy, reversed paralysis, resolved perpetual menorrhagia, cured dropsy, withered hands and deafness, calmed storms and walked on water, raised the dead and turned water into wine, who promptly got executed by the local authorities, and, after being dead for three days came back to life again and thereby bought every single man woman and child who ever lived a free ticket to an eternal life of perfect bliss in heaven after we all die.
Thank you for proving that you're not one iota smarter than the dickless fundie retards for the first "concern" stated in my last comment.
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Yorick is a fundie, an athiest fundie.
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Originally posted by Yorick:
So dinosaurs coexisting with humans is stupid, but it’s totally reasonable to believe that a bloke who was conceived without sexual union and born to a bronze-age Middle-Eastern peasant virgin woman was in fact also God The Fuckoff Almighty (who has really sick Superpowers and made the universe and everything in it) as well as the Holy Ghost, who (it says in some tatty old manuscrips that were written a century later) mooched about a random patch of desert a couple of thousand years ago telling everyone to be nice, and variously healed the blind, cleansed leprosy, reversed paralysis, resolved perpetual menorrhagia, cured dropsy, withered hands and deafness, calmed storms and walked on water, raised the dead and turned water into wine, who promptly got executed by the local authorities, and, after being dead for three days came back to life again and thereby bought every single man woman and child who ever lived a free ticket to an eternal life of perfect bliss in heaven after we all die.
Unlike the ACE, none of us is claiming any of that stuff is scientifically verifiable.
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Good point. I was trying to be a bit tongue in cheek, of course, but the point is that we all have our beliefs, and that's all they are.
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Oh no, that's not true. There's nothing like belief, backed up with feeling to become motivated true belief, unshakable to its core. This is why some of us are concerned when people go in for fringe ideas based on new ideas that avoid any context or tradition. The rise of fundamentalism of all kinds, Christian, Hindu, Atheist and Islamic are all problematic.
The OP may be a little excitable and over the top, but I personally enjoyed the long string of epithets in the third paragraph and will spend quite a while trying to understand some of the words.
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Originally posted by Yorick:
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Originally posted by Mockingale:
I'm so fucking tired of these brainless... [etc]
So dinosaurs coexisting with humans is stupid, but it’s totally reasonable to believe that a bloke who was conceived without sexual union and born to a bronze-age Middle-Eastern peasant virgin woman was in fact also God The Fuckoff Almighty (who has really sick Superpowers and made the universe and everything in it) as well as the Holy Ghost, who (it says in some tatty old manuscrips that were written a century later) mooched about a random patch of desert a couple of thousand years ago telling everyone to be nice, and variously healed the blind, cleansed leprosy, reversed paralysis, resolved perpetual menorrhagia, cured dropsy, withered hands and deafness, calmed storms and walked on water, raised the dead and turned water into wine, who promptly got executed by the local authorities, and, after being dead for three days came back to life again and thereby bought every single man woman and child who ever lived a free ticket to an eternal life of perfect bliss in heaven after we all die.
Of course we don't believe that - we're not stupid. She was an iron age peasant ...
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Originally posted by Yorick:
we all have our beliefs, and that's all they are.
But this is an actual monster in an actual loch in actual Scotland! All it needs is a boatload of true believers prayerfully letting down their nets, and the scaly, writhing refutation of all those godless scientists (of whom marine palaeontologists are the worst) will appear.
Of course, it will be costly. But what are a few hundred thousand dollars compared to the vindication of the truth! Give generously!
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The problem with fundamentalists is that they really do not get scientific theory, and the idea of testing a working hypothesis against empirical evidence. They confuse that with their own eisegenic way of engaging Scripture.
And that in turn is, I think, an indictment of the sorry state of science education in our country, hampered as it is by a combination of underfunding, inadequately trained/interested teachers and ideological/political meddling in public education.
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Yeah, whatever so-called YEC "scientists" practice, it ain't science. They begin by stating their conclusion as fact, and selectively choose "evidence" that seems to support it.
And the utter misunderstanding of the term "theory" would be ![[Killing me]](graemlins/killingme.gif) if it wasn't so ![[Eek!]](eek.gif) .
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I actually enjoyed the OP, and have a certain sympathy with Mockingale's concerns, but I can't be the only old Shippie who sees Mockingale's avatar and has flashbacks...
Now you young-uns run along and play while Grandpa sits over here in the sun and snoozes...
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Mockingale
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Originally posted by Lothiriel:
Yeah, whatever so-called YEC "scientists" practice, it ain't science. They begin by stating their conclusion as fact, and selectively choose "evidence" that seems to support it.
And the utter misunderstanding of the term "theory" would be if it wasn't so .
It would all be amusing in a sort of pathetic way if there weren't state and local governments that repeatedly try to force this bullshit on kids at public schools. The fundamentalists have political influence far beyond their numbers and if it were up to them, we'd be in the dark ages.
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Don't feel so bad, if they find out that Nessie likes mates of her/his same sex, that will refute their attitude against homosexuality.
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Oh, that we could just give the fundamentalists an island somewhere with plenty of food and water and see where they get themselves after 50 years of pure godly ignorance. I bet they'll be burning witches and attempting to cure common maladies with leeches and tinctures of nightshade.
Better them than us.
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Originally posted by Firenze:
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Originally posted by Yorick:
we all have our beliefs, and that's all they are.
But this is an actual monster in an actual loch in actual Scotland! All it needs is a boatload of true believers prayerfully letting down their nets, and the scaly, writhing refutation of all those godless scientists (of whom marine palaeontologists are the worst) will appear.
Of course, it will be costly. But what are a few hundred thousand dollars compared to the vindication of the truth! Give generously!
But don't you know? Tom Baker killed Nessie back in '75! I thought everybody knew that!
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You know when I first read your idea of an island, my first thought was England (even if it is wagging it's Scottish tail). ![[Devil]](graemlins/devil.gif)
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Mockingale
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Originally posted by no_prophet:
You know when I first read your idea of an island, my first thought was England (even if it is wagging it's Scottish tail).
Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of folks! England, you are now our Australia. xoxo North America
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Originally posted by Organ Builder:
I actually enjoyed the OP, and have a certain sympathy with Mockingale's concerns, but I can't be the only old Shippie who sees Mockingale's avatar and has flashbacks...
Now you young-uns run along and play while Grandpa sits over here in the sun and snoozes...
No, you're not the only one! ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Originally posted by AristonAstuanax:
But don't you know? Tom Baker killed Nessie back in '75! I thought everybody knew that!
He fucking WHAT???!
Uncool!
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OK, I was hoping to use this thread to have a nice long sneer at the Americans, and then I discovered this, from TES.
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Exams for an Evangelical Christian curriculum in which pupils have been taught that the Loch Ness monster disproves evolution and racial segregation is beneficial have been ruled equivalent to international A- levels by a UK government agency.
The National Recognition Information Centre (Naric), which guides universities and employers on the validity of different qualifications, has judged the International Certificate of Christian Education (ICCE) officially comparable to qualifications offered by the Cambridge International exam board.
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Originally posted by Mockingale:
The fundamentalists have political influence far beyond their numbers and if it were up to them, we'd be in the dark ages.
It's stuff like this that makes me sooo glad all my American forebears skedaddled north in the revolution. (Not that I'd be around to care if they hadn't.)
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Might as well set the record straight. A very decent Métís man told me a decade ago how he was spring hunting ducks on Great Slave Lake in the NWT. He said he saw a family of ducks, mother and a half dozen babies. A 'log' rose up out of the water and swallowed up mother duck and most of the babies in one gulp. Then dove. He estimated the length as about 20 feet, with width about 15 inches. We call the fish that was this 'log' a jack in many parts of Canada. You may know it as a northern pike.
I submit that Nessie, if ever existed, is either a jack or was developed from a story of big old jackfish.
As for your fundamentalists, they may be invited to swim with these fresh water sharks. If the water temperature doesn't take them first.
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Originally posted by Mockingale:
Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of folks! England, you are now our Australia. xoxo North America
Not sure about this - I thought we populated Australia with our criminals - we sent the (worst of our) religious fruitcakes across the pond - where some of them appear to have flourished.
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Originally posted by Anglican_Brat:
Don't feel so bad, if they find out that Nessie likes mates of her/his same sex, that will refute their attitude against homosexuality.
The thread title claims Nessie is a fucking monster so she must be mating with something. .
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Originally posted by Ricardus:
OK, I was hoping to use this thread to have a nice long sneer at the Americans, and then I discovered this, from TES.
No matter the pond or border crossed, we all have our share of nutters.
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I completely fail to see how, even if the existence of the Loch Ness Monster was proved, it would have ANYTHING to say about evolution vs creationism that isn't already said by other animals that can be spotted much more easily.
I mean, is anyone really stupid enough to think there's something magic about the word 'dinosaur'? There are plenty of other creatures around that are said to have been around at the same time as the dinosaurs. What the hell is the difference between dinosaur-era creatures co-existing with us and actual dinosaurs co-existing with us?
Or plesiosaurs, to be strictly correct.
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You are expecting reason and sound logic from such as these? Beginning to question your sanity, then.
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I know, I know. I'm just thinking of the poor Louisiana school children who could be learning about spiders (for example) as proof of YEC instead of Nessie. It would be so much easier to believe in YEC if you had the proof right there in your neighbourhood, instead of relying on fuzzy photographs from thousands of miles away.
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Originally posted by no_prophet:
Might as well set the record straight. A very decent Métís man told me a decade ago how he was spring hunting ducks on Great Slave Lake in the NWT. He said he saw a family of ducks, mother and a half dozen babies. A 'log' rose up out of the water and swallowed up mother duck and most of the babies in one gulp. Then dove. He estimated the length as about 20 feet, with width about 15 inches. We call the fish that was this 'log' a jack in many parts of Canada. You may know it as a northern pike.
I think you might mean a Muskellunge, they grow bigger. There is a theory it might also have been some form of large eel,
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An uncommon North American fish doesn't strike me as that much more likely a candidate for Nessie than a plesiosaur. You could at least be trying for an uncommon European fish.
Then again, I suppose someone letting loose a pair of muskellunge in Loch Ness circa 1802 might have done the trick...
The jack/northern pike, on the other hand, is indeed native to Britain as well as North America.
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I think we have already established upthread that dinosaurs became extinct because they were gay. Apart from velociraptors, who turned into bluetits. It was while King James was fishing on the banks of Loch Ness that he saw something that caused him to insist the translators of his bible put in references to Leviathan (since he didn't know the word 'dinosaur' - this being before evil science was invented). He also wrote a book about witches, or, as we know them, feminists.
I donate the above paragraph to the educators of Louisiana. It seems to me to meet, if not exceed, their requirements for coherence and accuracy.
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I had a conversation with the Monster of Loch Ness last year, and she confirmed to me that she recently converted to Orthodoxism.
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
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Originally posted by Ricardus:
OK, I was hoping to use this thread to have a nice long sneer at the Americans, and then I discovered this, from TES.
No matter the pond or border crossed, we all have our share of nutters.
I know we've got nutters. I didn't know our government endorsed them.
(At least, not that sort of nutter. Our government usually endorses a better class of nutter, like the House of Saud, who are actual royalty.)
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I love you, Firenze.
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Now, y'all just calm down here, right now.
Any parts of the Bible that strike you as not quite reasonable are clearly the work of a later redactor, writing in metaphoric teaching mode to present a specific point of view, which may well not apply to current times.
Try reading that way; it is amazingly comforting.
Oh, Yorick will still burn, but for the rest of you, it's all good if you will just read the Bible properly.
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In A Walk In The Woods Bill Bryson, commenting on the proposed (at the time) law in Tennessee to outlaw the teaching of evolution, says:
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The problem for Tennesseeans is not that they are descended from apes, but that they may soon be overtaken by them.
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Surely the fact that otters can do synchronised swimming and therefore look like a lake monster is proof of Intelligent Design?
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Originally posted by Firenze:
<snip> Apart from velociraptors, who turned into bluetits. <snip>
I donate the above paragraph to the educators of Louisiana. It seems to me to meet, if not exceed, their requirements for coherence and accuracy.
They won't like that bit. The YECcies I worked with really really didn't like the implication that dinosaurs had evolved into birds, y'see it's basically saying evolution exists. The dinosaurs, they're the monsters in the Bible that have all died out y'know.
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Firenze
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The YECcies I worked with really really didn't like the implication that dinosaurs had evolved into birds, y'see it's basically saying evolution exists. The dinosaurs, they're the monsters in the Bible that have all died out y'know.
They would say that, wouldn't they? Just wait til the bluetits work out how to operate the door handles...
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I think Liopleurodon can give us the straight goods on Nessie. ![[Biased]](wink.gif) OliviaG
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Originally posted by Think²:
]I think you might mean a Muskellunge, they grow bigger. There is a theory it might also have been some form of large eel,
This could probably morph into a circus thread. How about a mutant jack-muskie-pleisosaur cross dumped into the lake by Eric the Red on one of his viking visitations to the area? The vikings being well know to engage in genetic engineering 1000+ years ago. It is just as plausible as the OP's fundie complaint.
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Jengie jon
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The problem with this argument is not that Dinosaurs (or animals around at the time of dinosaurs) are still one earth. There are plenty of such species known to science (popular science tends to call them living fossils, without having to go into the dubious like nessie. Why use nessie when your local friendly alligator would do? However given that these exist and recognised as such by science why do they think that is a problem for evolution, if something no longer needs to evolve it probably won't.
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Originally posted by Firenze:
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Originally posted by Yorick:
we all have our beliefs, and that's all they are.
But this is an actual monster in an actual loch in actual Scotland! All it needs is a boatload of true believers prayerfully letting down their nets, and the scaly, writhing refutation of all those godless scientists (of whom marine palaeontologists are the worst) will appear.
Of course, it will be costly. But what are a few hundred thousand dollars compared to the vindication of the truth! Give generously!
But don't you know? Tom Baker killed Nessie back in '75! I thought everybody knew that!
No, he didn't! He threw Broton's homing device at the Skaresen, which promptly swallowed it, thus releasing it from Zygon control; the Doctor speculated that it would then return to Loch Ness as this was the only home it had know for so many centuries.
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Originally posted by no_prophet:
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Originally posted by Think²:
]I think you might mean a Muskellunge, they grow bigger. There is a theory it might also have been some form of large eel,
This could probably morph into a circus thread. How about a mutant jack-muskie-pleisosaur cross dumped into the lake by Eric the Red on one of his viking visitations to the area? The vikings being well know to engage in genetic engineering 1000+ years ago. It is just as plausible as the OP's fundie complaint.
Personally, I favour the fermenting pine log theory, with a side order of misidentified seals, seiches and sporadic hoaxing - the lake itself just doesn't have enough food in for anything really large anyway. There was a theory there may be a hidden way out to the sea, but no one has been able to verify that.
[ETA My reference to Muskellunge was because when I read the wiki on the northern pike, it said it was muskellunge that were known as jack fish.]
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No, he didn't! He threw Broton's homing device at the Skaresen, which promptly swallowed it, thus releasing it from Zygon control; the Doctor speculated that it would then return to Loch Ness as this was the only home it had know for so many centuries.
Isn't that a relief. You just don't knock off a crypto-biological treasure, I don't care if you are a Timelord.
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Originally posted by Curiosity killed ...:
The YECcies I worked with really really didn't like the implication that dinosaurs had evolved into birds, y'see it's basically saying evolution exists. The dinosaurs, they're the monsters in the Bible that have all died out y'know.
They would say that, wouldn't they? Just wait til the bluetits work out how to operate the door handles...
That is about the most delightful image my addled brain has been offered in days. I am annoying people in the comp lab with my giggling.
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