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I was challenged about this by a (British) Baptist pastor a few days ago. Thoughts?
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When I went to Washington DC some years ago, our local tour guide was very proud to tell us that he was a redneck. I was confused, as I'd thought it was abusive.
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In the US, it seems to have started as a pejorative term, but has been embraced by some as a term of positive identity. See Jeff Foxworthy.
In Auld Scotland, it meant Presbyterian.
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I would have called it classist, but that may suggest an analytic approach which some would not share.
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Matt Black
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So is there at least a degree of affinity of usage with the N-word ie: it's. acceptable if the recipients of the originally abusive term use it??
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One of my work colleagues quite often uses a racist and often used to abuse (and inaccurate, as his parents were from Bangladesh) word to refer to himself, quite happily.
But I don't think that means we can just overlook it (particularly as some days we manage to grab the 'i'm not racist but...' hat as often as the opposite).
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With regard to Matt Black. I'd be tempted to say yesish, although obviously there is a scale difference and more mobility for poor/ethnic whites.
Although robbing Peter to pay Paul springs to mind at times, with our attitude.
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So is there at least a degree of affinity of usage with the N-word ie: it's. acceptable if the recipients of the originally abusive term use it??
Well, yes. In general, in the US anyway, people can insult themselves without being offensive, particularly if they are being humorous, or if they are using a historically offensive term. But you can't insult others without being offensive, and saying that you're just joking doesn't excuse the offense.
It's not just racial or ethnic terms. When Carol Burnett's grandmother said to her, "you can always write, no matter what you look like," it was cruel. But Burnett could say things much more cutting than that about her appearance. Her saying it, though, doesn't give anyone else the right to say the same thing.
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I always thought 'redneck' was classist as opposed to racist, but clearly there are nuances there.
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On an early Here Comes Honey Boo Boo trailer, the little girl's family was gathered and here's their take on being called "rednecks". (I'm afraid I couldn't decipher half of it.)
And here's a bit of vintage Jeff Foxworthy.
I think it is the usual thing: if someone is describing their own self or their own friends, family, and neighbors, it's okay. Otherwise, it's use the term at your own risk. Especially at their identifiable "locals".
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Originally posted by Matt Black:
I was challenged about this by a (British) Baptist pastor a few days ago. Thoughts?
I'd be inclined to take an American Baptist pastor's view, but they vary too. You also have to consider whether "rednecks" have any choice about whether they are "rednecks" (if one is being earnest about these matters).
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Another way to think about it: If you're using the term to write somebody off, it's offensive and probably racist, classist, or both. And what Jesus said about calling someone a "fool" (as the English translation normally goes) most likely applies.
And the very fact that the term has been reclaimed via comedy suggests it's an offensive term when applied by outsiders.
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I think the term accurately reflects a significant segment of the U.S. population and believe most who fit the definition embrace it.
To understand this phenomenon is to understand the U.S. has a healthy(in terms of numbers)anti-intellectual tendency. Consider the fact that W. was elected twice; his whole schtick was good old boy, don't be layin' any of that fuzzy science on me jargon. These are the folks standing behind the outrageously audacious gun lobby, who are flooding the gun shops to get their assault rifles and large capacity magazines before the'govment' can outlaw our guns. I think that the stereo-typical red neck would embrace being accused of hate speech and/or being called racist.
Ok, maybe I'm a bit bias. Thanks for the opportunity to vent.
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When I went to Washington DC some years ago, our local tour guide was very proud to tell us that he was a redneck. I was confused, as I'd thought it was abusive.
Nope. "Redneck peckerwood" is the term that veers toward derogatory...
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'redneck' is not quite as bad as 'white trash' or 'trailer park trash' but it's derogatory, and it designates the same group.
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Originally posted by Jade Constable:
I always thought 'redneck' was classist as opposed to racist, but clearly there are nuances there.
I think it's more accurately an ethnic slur than a class slur.
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Ok
Just a possibility that he meant Rooinek which translated is redneck and means British. That is what Boers called British settlers in South Africa. It comes from sunburn that the British got due to their fair skin and being out in the sun.
So two different terms of abuse, basically the same but with different implications.
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Originally posted by Bullfrog.:
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Originally posted by Jade Constable:
I always thought 'redneck' was classist as opposed to racist, but clearly there are nuances there.
I think it's more accurately an ethnic slur than a class slur.
In the US is definitely a class thing, not an ethnic thing. To some extent it is regionalist, but not ethnic.
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It is said that the term comes from farmers getting sunburned on their necks while being outside on a tractor all day. Rednecks are white trash, plain and simple. It is a racist term in itself but since white people hold most of the power, most don't care about that fact and embrace it.
Weirdly I have never been called a redneck by a black person but I have been called "Laverne" and told to get a "big ol' L on my shirt" while in a cold-world type fight with a black gal I worked with. (Don't ask. I will spare you the story).*
To me the term is an insult to white trash people everywhere. The ones that fill their trucks with water in the back to make a pool (yes, some have done that).
Honey boo boo = white trash redneck child used for exploitation by her money hungry mother.
Does that answer your question Matt?
long ass ETA: *she is from East Palo Alto and I am from San Jose and I sound like a Valley Girl. I tended to piss off a lot of sistahs when I worked with a mostly black crew of people in a call center. It was my private hell but it paid very well for 6 years in Menlo Park and Palo Alto.
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Bullfrog.
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Originally posted by cliffdweller:
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Originally posted by Bullfrog.:
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Originally posted by Jade Constable:
I always thought 'redneck' was classist as opposed to racist, but clearly there are nuances there.
I think it's more accurately an ethnic slur than a class slur.
In the US is definitely a class thing, not an ethnic thing. To some extent it is regionalist, but not ethnic.
Except I can easily imagine someone being quite successful in business and still being a self-identifying redneck. Though maybe we're talking about different kinds of class.
I'm not sure it's regionalist, though there are regions that are associated with "redneck" culture. The Appalachians, for instance, in a belt that I guess would run roughly from Maryland to Georgia. I think it's not regionalist because when I told someone in college that I grew up in Western MD, she asked if I knew any rednecks. She did NOT assume that I was a redneck, though she basically fled when I mentioned that I was related to some. Rednecks are associated with some regions, but being in a given region does not make someone by definition an obvious redneck.
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Originally posted by Bullfrog.:
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Originally posted by Jade Constable:
I always thought 'redneck' was classist as opposed to racist, but clearly there are nuances there.
I think it's more accurately an ethnic slur than a class slur.
I took it to be the US version of 'chav', which is definitely a classist slur.
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Given that "redneck" seems to refer to the fact that somebody's skin turns red when sunburnt and this is associated with undesirable characteristics, I fail to see how a racist overtone can be denied. I've never heard the term applied to anybody other than a white person.
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It's not racist, because in its origins it's a derogatory term used by one group of whites to describe another. Classist is closer to the mark. If you're white and you spend the day bending over picking cotton, your neck gets sunburned. It was a term middle and upper class Southern whites (but especially middle-class) used to put down the poor whites who were no better than blacks (except for their melanin deficiency).
As many people have noted ( Bob Dylan, for one), lower class southern whites have often been the most virulently racist, because their white skin was their only marker of status and dignity. As a result it got taken up as a term for a bigoted (and by implication ignorant) white person. In reaction, some took it up as a point of pride (not necessarily for the racism, but for the lower-class white southern cultural aspects). At this point it's kind of like "nigger"--you're only allowed to use it if it could be applied to you. If you're not in the group, it's a fighting word.
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Originally posted by cliffdweller:
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Originally posted by Bullfrog.:
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Originally posted by Jade Constable:
I always thought 'redneck' was classist as opposed to racist, but clearly there are nuances there.
I think it's more accurately an ethnic slur than a class slur.
In the US is definitely a class thing, not an ethnic thing. To some extent it is regionalist, but not ethnic.
Really? Not racist? Because I don't know any people with black or brown skin being called 'rednecks'. Just white people.
(p.s. I do self identify as half redneck, half naca. Naca, of course, being the Spanish term for undereducated, low class rural folk who spend a lot of time doing manual labor in the fields. But if someone else calls me a redneck I'mna fight you)
(She says as she's finishing off a can of Pabst Blue Ribbon beer)
(Which is a very low class beer)
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Thanks for that Timothy. I used it once on an internet forum thinking it was just a slang term for people from a particular region, and not realising the derogatory nature of it ![[Hot and Hormonal]](icon_redface.gif) . I got yelled at (rightfully) but no one explained why and I was too scared to ask. It is not a term that I had come across much before and someone had so described herself.
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Originally posted by cliffdweller:
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Originally posted by Bullfrog.:
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Originally posted by Jade Constable:
I always thought 'redneck' was classist as opposed to racist, but clearly there are nuances there.
I think it's more accurately an ethnic slur than a class slur.
In the US is definitely a class thing, not an ethnic thing. To some extent it is regionalist, but not ethnic.
Really? Not racist? Because I don't know any people with black or brown skin being called 'rednecks'. Just white people.
(p.s. I do self identify as half redneck, half naca. Naca, of course, being the Spanish term for undereducated, low class rural folk who spend a lot of time doing manual labor in the fields. But if someone else calls me a redneck I'mna fight you)
(She says as she's finishing off a can of Pabst Blue Ribbon beer)
(Which is a very low class beer)
Redneck is a term used for lower-class white people by other white people, so no, not racist.
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I really don't like this tendency to have a sweet spot where prejudice based on (non-direct) parentage is ok.
They are no more subhuman when the split is 300 years as 5000 years. It's as wrong when the colour difference is in the cloth as in the skin.
Which isn't to say if a group are better off because of something that happened they don't have a duty to 'repay', although it becomes complex very rapidly. Or that some groups don't need special protection.
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I don't know enough about the home culture to know whether 'red-neck' is hate speech, but however derogatory, in the technical sense, a term isn't racist if it doesn't relate to race, or if a person can't change whether it applies to them. Presumably you can only be a 'red-neck' if you are white. But if a person with 'red-neck' parents can cease to be by becoming educated, rising in society and acquiring more sophisticate habits, then the term isn't racist.
The 'n-word' is racist because your skin remains the same colour wherever you progress to. Those who have those sort of prejudices still have them, even when you are a second term President.
Assuming one can put away 'red-neckish' or 'chavish' things, however derogatory a person might regard these words, they aren't racist.
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Thanks for that Timothy. I used it once on an internet forum thinking it was just a slang term for people from a particular region, and not realising the derogatory nature of it . I got yelled at (rightfully) but no one explained why and I was too scared to ask. It is not a term that I had come across much before and someone had so described herself.
Huia
This is a common problem. The goals of multi-culturalism are important and good. But when it gets to the point where innocent mistakes are punished so severely it shuts off discussion and inquiry, it defeats it's purpose.
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Bullfrog.
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Another story...I had a professor who, on the topic of discrimination, mentioned that in many places all he has to do was speak and people assumed he was ignorant.
He was from Tennessee.
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Originally posted by Bullfrog.:
Another story...I had a professor who, on the topic of discrimination, mentioned that in many places all he has to do was speak and people assumed he was ignorant.
I've had many a prof who only had to speak to prove they were ignorant...
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At this point it's kind of like "nigger"--you're only allowed to use it if it could be applied to you. If you're not in the group, it's a fighting word.
Not where I live. Around here the term "redneck" is frequently used in a pitying, condescending way to indicate someone from a poor rural area who is presumably not used to rubbing shoulders with people not like himself. There's always the hope that a redneck will get over it before he gets himself beat up or shot.
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(She says as she's finishing off a can of Pabst Blue Ribbon beer)
(Which is a very low class beer)
Another regional difference -- here where the sewer meets the sea, the hipsters drink PBR.
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Originally posted by cliffdweller:
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Originally posted by Bullfrog.:
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Originally posted by Jade Constable:
I always thought 'redneck' was classist as opposed to racist, but clearly there are nuances there.
I think it's more accurately an ethnic slur than a class slur.
In the US is definitely a class thing, not an ethnic thing. To some extent it is regionalist, but not ethnic.
Really? Not racist? Because I don't know any people with black or brown skin being called 'rednecks'. Just white people.
So, given that the English aristocracy are exclusively white, does that mean that 'toff' is racist?
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Another story...I had a professor who, on the topic of discrimination, mentioned that in many places all he has to do was speak and people assumed he was ignorant.
He was from Tennessee.
See also, people from Birmingham UK ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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I was challenged about this by a (British) Baptist pastor a few days ago. Thoughts?
I would always attempt to correct my children if they ever called someone that. If someone, especially with a yankee accent, said such a word, or any other word that revealed he considers himself inherently superior or that locally born people are inherently inferior, it could possibly be taken as fighting words, at worst, and would, at a minimum, cause the yankee or who ever else said the word, to be shunned from further serious conversation.
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Honey boo boo = white trash redneck child used for exploitation by her money hungry mother.
Says the person speaking out of her ass while insulting a 7 year old girl on an Internet forum.
HBB is a worthless show with no redeeming value whatsoever, but Mama June is not a money hungry exploiter of her children. She's being very smart with the money. The family lives on dad's (Sugarbear) income. The TV money is divided evenly into trusts for all of the kids and held for them until they are 18.
TLC on the other had, could aptly fit the money hungry exploiter tag. I remember when the "L" stood for something.
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The show does nothing for me (and I do watch some reality shows, including at one time Toddlers and Tiaras), but the sly thing about "redneck" Mama June and Honey Boo Boo is that they have given every appearance of having a ball at the pageants and not taking it all too seriously, unlike many of their merely "lower middle class" competitors. There has been a whole spin off industry of following the feuds and rivalries between the little divas and their big diva moms, but Honey has always pretty much ignored them and Mama June has rolled her eyes at them. And they were the ones who landed a show. Good on them!
Also, IMO, if the family wants to rake in the money for standing proud and being themselves, more power to them. The head waggers who decry their "exploitation" also exploit by labeling the family's life as bad, while the family itself doesn't. The po'mouthed nay-sayers are filling valuable column space and making themselves look like the good guys on the side of social righteousness. Bleh! ![[Disappointed]](graemlins/disappointed.gif)
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My comment towards TLC being the money-hungry exploiters isn't limited to HBB. It extends to their other quality programming such as Intervention and Hoarders.
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Originally posted by monkeylizard:
HBB is a worthless show with no redeeming value whatsoever, but Mama June is not a money hungry exploiter of her children. She's being very smart with the money. The family lives on dad's (Sugarbear) income. The TV money is divided evenly into trusts for all of the kids and held for them until they are 18.
fwiw, in many parts of the country (but not apparently their home state) this is required by law
Not to dispute your point, of course. Sadly, the way education, and health care is apportioned here in the US, riding that TLC exploitation train is your best bet for providing a secure future for your kids. Were I in June's shoes, I'd probably do the same.
And I do sorta cherish the hope that someday there'll be a TLC show called "Dr. Honey Boo Boo" when she completes her residency on their dime...
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My comment towards TLC being the money-hungry exploiters isn't limited to HBB. It extends to their other quality programming such as Intervention and Hoarders.
Correction, that would be A&E with Intervention and Hoarders. TLC made the knock-offs Hoarding: Buried Alive and Addicted.
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Originally posted by monkeylizard:
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Originally posted by monkeylizard:
My comment towards TLC being the money-hungry exploiters isn't limited to HBB. It extends to their other quality programming such as Intervention and Hoarders.
Correction, that would be A&E with Intervention and Hoarders. TLC made the knock-offs Hoarding: Buried Alive and Addicted.
Hoarders is the scariest show on tv.
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Originally posted by Timothy the Obscure:
some took it up as a point of pride (not necessarily for the racism, but for the lower-class white southern cultural aspects).
A not unprecedented tactic.
The original WWI BEF proudly referred to themselves as The Old Contemptibles in response to the kaiser's jibe at Britain's "contemptible little army".
In WWII he Australian Ninth Division just as proudly adopted the title The Rats Of Tobruk in response to Goebbels's description of the garrison's defenders as "rats".
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Originally posted by RuthW:
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Originally posted by Timothy the Obscure:
At this point it's kind of like "nigger"--you're only allowed to use it if it could be applied to you. If you're not in the group, it's a fighting word.
Not where I live. Around here the term "redneck" is frequently used in a pitying, condescending way to indicate someone from a poor rural area who is presumably not used to rubbing shoulders with people not like himself. There's always the hope that a redneck will get over it before he gets himself beat up or shot.
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Originally posted by Spiffy:
(She says as she's finishing off a can of Pabst Blue Ribbon beer)
(Which is a very low class beer)
Another regional difference -- here where the sewer meets the sea, the hipsters drink PBR.
WRT the first point--I'm not sure that those denoted by the word would really appreciate the pity.
WRT the second--PBR is drunk by hipsters here in Beervana as well, it having acquired a reverse-snobbery cachet by being cheaper than, say Bridgeport IPA, but not as "common" as Bud, Miller, or Coors.
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Originally posted by tclune:
"Redneck peckerwood" is the term that veers toward derogatory...
--Tom Clune
That may be a NE thing... one of the parts of the country I haven't spent much time in.
Pretty much everywhere I've been it's 'peckerhead'.
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Matt Black
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So, is 'toff' racist?
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lilBuddha
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Classist, I would think, not racist.
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
Classist, I would think, not racist.
But just as derogatory and unpleasant a term as any other that falls under an '-ist' that springs to mind.
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lilBuddha
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No, I don't think so.
One can change ones class, or the behaviour which draws the insult.
Bad, yes. As bad as? No.
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Matt Black
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But with the English aristocracy being pretty much exclusively white...
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