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would love to belong
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Or is it just me.
Feels like the end of summer. I know it's not autumn officially until 21st or 22nd September.
But today's date hangs heavily on the heart.
I thought of posting this in heaven....then realised not.
Then I thought of Hell....and realised that wasn't the place to seek good cheer.
Can anyone offer cheering words? [ 01. September 2013, 12:59: Message edited by: would love to belong ]
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Ah but there's so much that's good about autumn! Crisp leaves to step on and crunch, unexpectedly warm days that you just *have* to take advantage of, life starts back up again after the summer lull. I know people who feel like New Year should be in September, because that's when term re-started and all the potential that contains (not me, we went back to school in August). The year's not done yet, the best could still be yet to come.
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Pyx_e
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quote: Isn't 1st September a depressing date?
Fuck no.
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I've always found autumn to be the loveliest, and least depressing, season of the year.
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Adrienne
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It's a shame this isn't in heaven, because that might be fun ...
As a serious A-S proposition thought ...thinking locally (UK) it's been a great summer. And it still is lovely; crisp cusp-of-autumn mornings, warm days. I just walked by the river, and there seem to be a lot of people out there managing to enjoy the day - some in family groups, some couples, a lot of people solo, and most with a smile or a passing friendly word.
Globally, I think 11th probably hangs more heavily on more hearts, so unless 1st is the anniversary of something bad for you, or there is something about the month-turn that has brought on real depression - in which case you have my sympathy and prayers - I'm thinking you may have to suck this one up.
Of course, if you were to go post something similar in hell, say around midnight, you could guarantee that September 2nd would be much, much worse.
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Sioni Sais
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I've no particular dread of any particular date but I find Tuesdays pointless and boring. No particular Tuesday, all of them.
It could date back to my childhood when we had a regular seven-days-a-week menu with little variation; Tuesday was always uncertain for while there would often be leftovers from Sunday's roast, on other occasions Mum would try to economise with unfortunate results. Dad and I implored her to do 'Tatties in the tin' (sliced potatoes, streaky bacon & sliced onion with Bisto gravy, baked in the oven) which satisfied appetites then and now but she persisted with sub-exotic concoctions recommended by Woman's Realm or some such.
Nowadays there's crap on TV, and only recently have we had football on Tuesday. The pubs never seem to be doing much, because it's mine host's traditional day off, and when the regular highlight in many towns is 'Steak Club' at Weatherspoons, it's a pretty dull day.
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For me, it used to be depressing because we (staff) had to go back into school for staff meetings and stuff.
It was bad enough being bombarded with reminders for weeks before from shops proclaiming 'back to school.'
Now that I am retired, I love September 1st. It reminds me that I can get up late, have a cooked breakfast and read the paper and not bother to get dressed until noon.
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Pyx_e
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quote: and not bother to get dressed until noon
Oh Jesus. Did you have to?
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Ariel
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quote: Originally posted by would love to belong: Or is it just me.
It's just you.
The weather is still good, the countryside is looking wonderful at that lovely crossover between summer and autumn, when the land is still rich with abundant green vegetation, summer flowers, wildflowers and the first few brown leaves, but the fields are golden with harvest and bales of straw. The children are almost back to school, and once they go I can have the holidays I've been planning.
September is the start of the season of funfairs, the bright, gaudy glitter of lights, the thump of over-loud music, the smell of frying onions and hot dogs, to be eaten as you wander through the fair looking at the stalls with their variety of wonderfully tacky, mostly unwinnable prizes. Excited children with their parents, young people screaming in mingled pleasure and fear on the more heartstopping rides, and coming away giggling; the excitement and pulse of life as a very old tradition is renewed again with its current modern flavour.
And there's the fun of bringing back a bag of sweets or fairings, a toffee apple, sweet and crunchy and bright red, or a hairy coconut that everyone struggles to break.
September is also about the pleasure of blackberrying, and coming home with fingers stained purple, and a bag full of luscious, slightly tart fruit, to be made into pies or crumbles. Autumn is never properly autumn without blackberry crumble, for me.
It's the most beautiful time of year - the most poignant, the loveliest. You can have February instead - Christmas is only a distant memory, Easter is a way off, the weather's lousy and the palette of the land is monochrome, all whites and pearls and dark colours, day after day after day, until the appearance of the first yellow wildflowers towards the end. February is about endurance. September is about enjoying the good things, and sometimes, also being surprised by an Indian summer.
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Sioni Sais
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I agree about February. Like twenty-eight Tuesdays one after another (twenty-nine in a bad year) and it's foggy and damp.
Might as well w*rk.
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September means the Christmas displays will be up in the shops soon. Only one month to go.
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Welease Woderwick
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September has never really been a problem for me, a lovely month, but when I lived in UK I hated November and February - in the 1980s I worked in care of the elderly and they were the worst months for both morbidity and mortality. February must surely qualify as the longest 28 days of the year.
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I have been gleefully buying waterproof trousers and seal skin socks for wet weather winter doggy walks.
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This weekend is "Labor Day weekend" in the U.S. It rarely has anything to do with labor anymore, but it does mark the end of summer.
Here in Arizona, it means that soon (I hope!) we'll be able to go outdoors again without roasting in the heat. The end of summer is a good thing.
It also means that activities will pick up. Concerts, plays, etc., pretty much shut down in the summer. Starting next weekend things really pick up.
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September 1st reminds me that it is 14 weeks to my winter home.
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Firenze
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It's autumn when it feels like autumn. Why be told what to think by a calendar? If you don't like '1st September', what about 10th Shahrivar? 15th Fructidor? Geng-Shen Geng-Wu?
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Add me to the list of Septemberlovers. Yes, the first Monday is the "official end of summer" in the States, but school always started for me in mid-August, so "free time" summer was already over, and "dear Lord it's hot" summer couldn't be over fast enough. September means state, county, and town fairs (heck, even the Renfest), with disgusting, artery-clogging goodness your heart only lets you have once a year, but your soul insists on having at least twice. It's also the start of reasonable bike riding weather, now that the heat's started to break, which means that I can finally get back to doing metrics and centuries again after the three-month break; only fools ride unsupported all day when it's forecast to hit 105º, heat index of Hellº. Leaves, sorry to say, aren't until October at the earliest, usually November. Ditto corduroy and tweed jacket weather. That's the best of all.
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I love September! School starts (and I'm a teacher...) and fresh projects begin or cry out to be started. I love buying new stationary and clean new pages and sharp pencils and I don't usually indulge myself by saying so. so thanks.
And find yourself a big sheet of paper, and paint swirls on it. Autumnal colours? or buy an academic diary and notice that today can be the first day of your year.
and plan something nice.
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quote: Originally posted by Sioni Sais: I've no particular dread of any particular date but I find Tuesdays pointless and boring. No particular Tuesday, all of them.
It could date back to my childhood when we had a regular seven-days-a-week menu with little variation; Tuesday was always uncertain for while there would often be leftovers from Sunday's roast, on other occasions Mum would try to economise with unfortunate results. Dad and I implored her to do 'Tatties in the tin' (sliced potatoes, streaky bacon & sliced onion with Bisto gravy, baked in the oven) which satisfied appetites then and now but she persisted with sub-exotic concoctions recommended by Woman's Realm or some such.
Nowadays there's crap on TV, and only recently have we had football on Tuesday. The pubs never seem to be doing much, because it's mine host's traditional day off, and when the regular highlight in many towns is 'Steak Club' at Weatherspoons, it's a pretty dull day.
Hi Sioni, I can relate to what you say. Just looking at your profile, I realise that not only do we share a birthday (21 September) but also the same year of birth. It was a Saturday, by the way. Which is what it is this year.
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would love to belong
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Feeling cheered up reading about the various delights of September.
I love black berry picking. Except we pick brambles here in Scotland.
The weather feels particulaly late autumnal here today. The nights are fair drawing in too.
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I love September too, and was heartily cheered when the TV weatherman proclaimed that today is the meteorological start of autumn , my favourite season.
Today was glorious, bright sun with a refreshing breeze. Blackberries in abundance, sweating heat of summer over and done, thoughts turning to rehearsing for Advent... what's not to love?
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Og, King of Bashan
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September first in the American Southwest means that it's time to buy another year's supply of roasted green chiles. Getting them ready to freeze is a half day task, but the smells are incredible, and the thought of green chile all winter takes some sting away from the end of summer.
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Also love September- but then its my birthday and wedding anniversary month and we usually have a couple of weeks holiday. looking forward to what promises to be a wonderful autumn this year
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I love September - usually still fairly warm and sunny , but without the burning heat of high summer. It's like summer, but better Crisp, cold, sunny autumn and winter days are the best though.
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Tonight's Sunset. What's not to like?!
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would love to belong
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quote: Originally posted by Pyx_e: quote: Isn't 1st September a depressing date?
Fuck no.
Fly safe, Pyx_e
Is swearing necessary to get your point across?
Could you not have said (eg) "I disagree strongly"
Are expletives not reserved for Hell anyway?
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How to Win Friends and Influence People. Chapter 6, Lesson 2.
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It means that, thankfully for me, the students will soon be back, so there will be more people closer to me in age and more social activities. Yes it will be messier and noisier, but I don't have young children so these things affect me less.
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Firenze
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quote: Originally posted by would love to belong: quote: Originally posted by Pyx_e: quote: Isn't 1st September a depressing date?
Fuck no.
Fly safe, Pyx_e
Is swearing necessary to get your point across?
Could you not have said (eg) "I disagree strongly"
Are expletives not reserved for Hell anyway?
Pyx_e can say what he damn well pleases.
And no, there are no Hell-only words. There are only the words which best express what you want to say.
Firenze All Saints Host and Linguistic Guerrilla [ 01. September 2013, 20:41: Message edited by: Firenze ]
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Huia
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Well, at this end of the world Soring is almost upon us, although we have been enjoying daffodils. lambs and seal pups for some weeks now. My favourite sign is that the hours of daylight are increasing
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Firenze
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quote: Originally posted by would love to belong: Fucking hell.
So no more junior hosting? Good lad.
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quote: Originally posted by Chorister: Tonight's Sunset. What's not to like?!
Nice.
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Pyx_e
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quote: Originally posted by would love to belong: Fucking hell.
I LoLed.
Happy Autumn and welcome to the Dark Side.
Pyx_e
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Firenze
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So. September. Season of mists and mellow fruitfulness. Close bosom friend of the maturing sun.
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Moo
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quote: Originally posted by Ariston: September means state, county, and town fairs (heck, even the Renfest), with disgusting, artery-clogging goodness your heart only lets you have once a year, but your soul insists on having at least twice.
Unfortunately the agricultural fairs around here are held during the summer. I love agricultural fairs, but I hate heat even more.
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I love autumn.
It has been really hot today here in London. I got sunburned yesterday!
Personally I hate summer with a passion. I can't bear heat, and having no energy to do anything. Our flat is a constant 30 degrees and we have fans going day and night.
Bring on cool, crisp, sunny autumn days with gorgeous colours. Cosy nights kniting and listening to audiobooks. Home made casseroles bubbling in the oven.
And best of all, Christmas still to come!
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Here in Boston-land (especially in Allston, where I work for a property management outfit that mostly specializes in the student market), September first is the great musical apartments day, where one hopes that the music won't stop, leaving some hapless set of roommates on the sidewalk with their furniture..
cheers - Joan
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comet
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Love September. I love every month, actually. each for it's own special gift it brings.
Except February. February sucks ass. Nothing good ever happens in February. the only good February I ever had was totally on vacation in Hawaii. the only way to power through MFing February.
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quote: Originally posted by comet: ... Nothing good ever happens in February ...
As someone who was born in February, I beg to differ.*
I love September - autumn here is far and away my favourite season. The horrid heat and humidity of summer is receding, and the trees will soon begin to put on their autumn colours.
Bring it on!
* although I must confess that apart from that it's a bit crap ...
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Ariston
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quote: Originally posted by Og, King of Bashan: September first in the American Southwest means that it's time to buy another year's supply of roasted green chiles. Getting them ready to freeze is a half day task, but the smells are incredible, and the thought of green chile all winter takes some sting away from the end of summer.
YES. Oh Sweet Jesus, Thank You for sharing this sign of Your love for us, the green chile, with us sinners who are unworthy to receive it. Green chiles are a clear refutation of Pelagius; no human being could ever do enough good works to be worthy of a lovely plate of chiles rellenos drowned in green chile (nor carne adovada stuffed sopapillas), but, by grace and grace alone, we are able to partake of such signs of Divine Grace.
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First day of spring. Also, this year, Father's Day. The sun was shining all day. My brother-in-law roasted pork on his fabulous Weber barbeque. My sister made a delicious mushroom salad. I brought the wine (Dad brought a bottle too), as well as some cheese and pate for before lunch. Later on we had brewed coffee and banana cake. We looked at photos from my sister's family's trip (first time the kids had been skiing) and Mum's recent trip to Europe.
Yeah. It sucked.
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comet
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quote: Originally posted by Ariston: quote: Originally posted by Og, King of Bashan: September first in the American Southwest means that it's time to buy another year's supply of roasted green chiles. Getting them ready to freeze is a half day task, but the smells are incredible, and the thought of green chile all winter takes some sting away from the end of summer.
YES. Oh Sweet Jesus, Thank You for sharing this sign of Your love for us, the green chile, with us sinners who are unworthy to receive it. Green chiles are a clear refutation of Pelagius; no human being could ever do enough good works to be worthy of a lovely plate of chiles rellenos drowned in green chile (nor carne adovada stuffed sopapillas), but, by grace and grace alone, we are able to partake of such signs of Divine Grace.
I hate you guys.
Og, trade you for salmon? spent a week smoking.
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quote: Originally posted by orfeo: First day of spring. Also, this year, Father's Day. The sun was shining all day. My brother-in-law roasted pork on his fabulous Weber barbeque. My sister made a delicious mushroom salad. I brought the wine (Dad brought a bottle too), as well as some cheese and pate for before lunch. Later on we had brewed coffee and banana cake. We looked at photos from my sister's family's trip (first time the kids had been skiing) and Mum's recent trip to Europe.
Yeah. It sucked.
The whole "first day of spring" thing was ruined here in Adelaide by a couple of wonderful mild 24° to 25° days coming in the last days before the official beginning of spring, when up to 31 August is still supposed to be winter.
Damn global warming giving us nice weather too early.
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Welease Woderwick
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quote: Originally posted by comet: ...spent a week smoking.
Smoking what?
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It's Conway Twitty's birthday!
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Well, it is!
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comet
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is he still alive?
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