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Zacchaeus
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quote:
Originally posted by L'organist:
I know of two children called Paris - one male, one female [Snigger]

I know Mackensie's of both sexes as well
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The usual rude transformation of Heather (a name I like) is Heifer.

Consider carefully...

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I've yet to meet a Heather who suited the name. But that might be a subject for another thread.

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Originally posted by Nenya:
I always thought Hetty was short for Henrietta - there's a lovely name you don't hear these days. I think Tabitha is lovely too, though I guess you'd go through life as Tabbie. [Roll Eyes]

The German form is Tabea, which was quite popular relatively recently.
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quote:
Originally posted by Ariel:
I've yet to meet a Heather who suited the name. But that might be a subject for another thread.

It would be an interesting discussion, though very subjective of course. The first Heather I ever knew had a very distinctive look and was, shall we say, not the brightest bulb on the chandelier. Any Heather who doesn't fit that description is just not a proper Heather. [Biased]

I've never heard of Tabea. How do you pronounce it?

Nen - whose online and real life names are both straightforward to pronounce.

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quote:
Originally posted by Amos:
InigoB--In your alphabetical list, surely 'Quinn' should be 'Queenie.'

Nope, 'Quinn' is apparently a valid female name. Though I have to admit I don't know how far back it has been that. Frankly, I find 'Queenie" ridiculous and I couldn't find anything else female starting with a 'Q' that wasn't Arabic...

Of my suggestions, I like 'Mabel' best. Though I would probably fancy that up and have the full 'Amabel' as the official first name - which is poetic sounding (pronounced AM-a-bell) - and then use the comfy abbreviation 'Mabel' in the everyday.

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posted by Jade Constable
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Paris has been a gender-neutral name for a long time.
Err, no.

Paris has been used for girls by parents with no understanding of the origin of the name.

Doubt it? Just ask a Greek.

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quote:
Originally posted by L'organist:
posted by Jade Constable
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Paris has been a gender-neutral name for a long time.
Err, no.

Paris has been used for girls by parents with no understanding of the origin of the name.

Doubt it? Just ask a Greek.

I'm quite aware of the name origins thanks (and Paris was Trojan, not Greek), but language (and therefore naming) changes over time. Paris has been gender-neutral for a long time whether you like it or not, almost certainly influenced by it being a girls' name in Urdu which is unrelated to the Greek myth. Lots of names started out as single-gender and have become gender-neutral or even crossed over to another gender, it's just a part of language development.

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The Iliad is written in Homeric Greek - not Trojan...

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Come to that, Florence was a male name in Ireland until relatively recently - as witness the character of Flurry Knox in the Irish RM stories.

How and why names migrate between genders would be an interesting study. I have a suspicion that it is always a male to female transition. Anyone think of any instances going the other way?

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quote:
Originally posted by L'organist:
The Iliad is written in Homeric Greek - not Trojan...

And yet the city of Paris is nowhere near Asia Minor.

Let's just agree that names can arise variously, shall we?

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Originally posted by IngoB:
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'Quinn' is apparently a valid female name. Though I have to admit I don't know how far back it has been that.
I cannot imagine why any parent would give a girl a name which could so easily be misread as "quim. "
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Originally posted by Firenze:
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How and why names migrate between genders would be an interesting study. I have a suspicion that it is always a male to female transition. Anyone think of any instances going the other way?
A lot of the Scottish "mother's maiden name" names, which were unisex or possibly tended towards female, are now unambiguously male. I know of instances of women called Scott, Bruce, Innes and Graham; all are unisex male names now. Cameron, once predominantly female, at least in my corner of Scotland, is now male here though Cameron Diaz suggests that it is still female elsewhere.

None of these names were ever exclusively female, though, so it's a "unisex to male" shift, rather than a "female to male" shift.

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quote:
Originally posted by North East Quine:
I cannot imagine why any parent would give a girl a name which could so easily be misread as "quim. "

Fanny?

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quote:
Originally posted by North East Quine:
I cannot imagine why any parent would give a girl a name which could so easily be misread as "quim. "

Perhaps because they live or are from somewhere else than the UK? (I had to look this up. The Ship is always educational...)

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quote:
Originally posted by LutheranChik:
We got a call from the kids this weekend asking DP to re-explain her ethnic heritage (Irish, Welsh and English by way of Canada)...so we may be seeing a tilt toward Celtic or Anglo-Saxon names; as long as the spellings aren't too strange (Siobhan -- pretty name, impossible spelling to try and explain to teachers, peers, etc.).

Don't dismiss the name Siobhan too quickly.
My granddaughter is Niamh ( pronounced Neeve) and neither she nor her teachers or friends have problems with it.
You could go for the simple and beautiful name Erin, as I did with my younger daughter. (No crocs in sight).

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quote:
Originally posted by North East Quine:
I cannot imagine why any parent would give a girl a name which could so easily be misread as "quim. "

That wouldn't have occurred to me at all.
But then, I am constantly appalled by the number of perfectly innocent words (and names) that are now considered only fit for sniggering at

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quote:
Originally posted by IngoB:
quote:
Originally posted by Amos:
InigoB--In your alphabetical list, surely 'Quinn' should be 'Queenie.'

Nope, 'Quinn' is apparently a valid female name. Though I have to admit I don't know how far back it has been that. Frankly, I find 'Queenie" ridiculous and I couldn't find anything else female starting with a 'Q' that wasn't Arabic...

Of my suggestions, I like 'Mabel' best. Though I would probably fancy that up and have the full 'Amabel' as the official first name - which is poetic sounding (pronounced AM-a-bell) - and then use the comfy abbreviation 'Mabel' in the everyday.

You wouldn't have found Queenie Leavis ridiculous. You'd have found her terrifying.

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quote:
Originally posted by IngoB:
quote:
Originally posted by North East Quine:
I cannot imagine why any parent would give a girl a name which could so easily be misread as "quim. "

Perhaps because they live or are from somewhere else than the UK? (I had to look this up. The Ship is always educational...)
Last time I heard it uttered was by the character of Loki in Avengers Assemble - so possibly not generally understood in certain airts
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quote:
Originally posted by Amos:
You wouldn't have found Queenie Leavis ridiculous. You'd have found her terrifying.

I was talking about the name itself, not about any specific person of that name. But I'm mildly curious why you think that I would have found her "terrifying"? Terrific is a lot more likely...

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quote:
Originally posted by IngoB:
Frankly, I find 'Queenie" ridiculous and I couldn't find anything else female starting with a 'Q' that wasn't Arabic...


My mum's name is Quita, which is Spanish, apparently. It gets misspelt a lot, to her irritation. I think she would have liked a less unusual name, but Quita suits her and it can also be shortened to Kitty, which is quite sweet.
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quote:
Originally posted by Firenze:
Last time I heard it uttered was by the character of Loki in Avengers Assemble - so possibly not generally understood in certain airts

Here, towards the end... well, if it's in a Hollywood movie, then presumably it's known in the USA as well. Sorry, it's probably just me, I'm not a native speaker after all. (That movie also had the best ... practical ... comment on sub-Creator gods ever: here. LOL.)

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quote:
Originally posted by IngoB:
quote:
Originally posted by Amos:
InigoB--In your alphabetical list, surely 'Quinn' should be 'Queenie.'

Nope, 'Quinn' is apparently a valid female name. Though I have to admit I don't know how far back it has been that. Frankly, I find 'Queenie" ridiculous and I couldn't find anything else female starting with a 'Q' that wasn't Arabic...


A young bank exec of my acquaintance is identified on his name-plate, business cards, etc. as 'Quinn' surname. Which seemed logical; I assumed it was a family name. And then I saw a framed official document (college diploma, perhaps) which gave his name as George Washington surname V. It took a little while for the penny to drop, and then I had a good laugh. A clever way of avoiding all those tiresome 'father of his country' jokes.

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quote:
Originally posted by IngoB:
quote:
Originally posted by Firenze:
Last time I heard it uttered was by the character of Loki in Avengers Assemble - so possibly not generally understood in certain airts

Here, towards the end... well, if it's in a Hollywood movie, then presumably it's known in the USA as well. Sorry, it's probably just me, I'm not a native speaker after all. (That movie also had the best ... practical ... comment on sub-Creator gods ever: here. LOL.)
I'm not sure how much control Tom Hiddleston (who played Loki) had over the script, but his use of the phrase "mewling quim" was described by him as a Shakespearean insult. I think he was pleased to get the comment past the editors, so perhaps it's not a word generally known in the States.

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quote:
Originally posted by Rev per Minute:
I'm not sure how much control Tom Hiddleston (who played Loki) had over the script, but his use of the phrase "mewling quim" was described by him as a Shakespearean insult. I think he was pleased to get the comment past the editors, so perhaps it's not a word generally known in the States.

It was my assumption that he - or someone - had snuck that one under the radar. I can't see any of the more well-known synonyms getting into a 12A rated film.

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"Quim" is used in Eskimo Nell, the sine qua non of pre-internet teenage sex education.

According to this, people who have a daughter Ruby tend to name another daughter Amber, Amelia, Ava, Charlotte, Eliza, Ella, Grace, Hannah, Hazel, Jade, Lily, Lucy, Maisie, Molly, Olivia, Sadie or Stella.

Several of those have the desired -a or -ie ending and are not too cumbersome to combine with a hyphenated name.

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quote:
Originally posted by North East Quine:
A lot of the Scottish "mother's maiden name" names, which were unisex or possibly tended towards female, are now unambiguously male. I know of instances of women called Scott, Bruce, Innes and Graham; all are unisex male names now.

Just to be a pain in the arse (or ass, depending on provenance), I know a woman whose given name is Innes...

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Near enough to Inez to pass, I would have thought.
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Inez is supposedly Spanish for Agnes! [Big Grin]

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quote:
Originally posted by LutheranChik:


Player Yet To Be Named is a girl. We know that. The parents have requested name suggestions that 1)are old-fashioned, and specifically popular at roughly the same time in history as the name Ruby, who is Grandchild #1; 2)are, quote, "assertive" but still girly -- I think "a" and "y"/"ie" endings are favored by DiL; and 3)are not too cumbersome to combine with a hyphenated last name.

All requests appreciated. We've already sent the kids a list of suggestions, but apparently they want a bigger pool to choose from.

And again, for anyone else whose family is expecting, please join in with your name requests.

I hope we're going to be told the result when eventually this little one appears
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Our niece recently produced a Sigrid. Perhaps not very 'girlie' but it surely has an assertive sound to it. Everyone likes it.

One of our daughters has a cat called Olivetti, but somehow, I can't see that working for a baby, or for the girl who inevitably follows.

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Olivetta might be an option, or Olivette for a French ending. It could even be shortened to Ivette instead of Olly.

(And if you had twins, you could save money by calling both of them Olivette, and have the Olly and the Ivy.)

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[Killing me] [Killing me]

"Olivetti" - why would you name your daughter after a typewriter?*


* Yes - I really AM that old. [Big Grin]

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Just read of the sad death of Clarissa Theresa Philomena Aileen Mary Josephine Agnes Elsie Trilby Louise Esmerelda Dickson Wright. I wonder if any new babies will be named in her honour.

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Trilby - now there's a good name.

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This has been bugging me for a while. Why did they give her 11 first names? If she'd been a boy you could see that maybe they'd wanted to honour their favourite football team. If she'd had 12 first names she could have used a different one each month. But 11 is just odd.
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I had a Catholic teacher who was Monique Clare Isabel Agnes Bernadette surname. Clarissa was Catholic - but not all her names are saints. Perhaps they were significant relations.

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Mother, 2 grannies, godmother and a couple of aunts, all with more than one Christian name?

Can you imagine what a nightmare it must have been to fill in official forms?

No wonder the poor lady sought solace in GIN.

Sorry - cross-posted with Penny.

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quote:
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This has been bugging me for a while. Why did they give her 11 first names? If she'd been a boy you could see that maybe they'd wanted to honour their favourite football team. If she'd had 12 first names she could have used a different one each month. But 11 is just odd.

There are 15 in a rugby team.

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Well, she obviously wasn't named after a rugby team.

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Clarissa was Catholic - but not all her names are saints.

Wot! You never heard of St Trilby, patron saint of headgear?
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This is what t'internet says

'Her parents apparently had great trouble deciding on a first name, eventually blindfolding her mother, Molly, and "turning her loose in the library". She pulled out Clarissa, the 1748 novel by Samuel Richardson. Dickson Wright said she believed her parents were then "so delighted that they'd finally found a name, they got pissed on the way to the church'

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quote:
Originally posted by Ariel:
Well, she obviously wasn't named after a rugby team.

quote:
Originally posted by Penny S:
Clarissa was Catholic - but not all her names are saints.

Wot! You never heard of St Trilby, patron saint of headgear?
But rugby is football, just as much as Rugby League, with its 13 a side is. Or American, or Aust Rules. It's only soccer which has 11, not football.

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Firenze

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quote:
Originally posted by Zacchaeus:
This is what t'internet says

'Her parents apparently had great trouble deciding on a first name, eventually blindfolding her mother, Molly, and "turning her loose in the library". She pulled out Clarissa, the 1748 novel by Samuel Richardson. Dickson Wright said she believed her parents were then "so delighted that they'd finally found a name, they got pissed on the way to the church'

Just as well her ma didn't grab Robinson Crusoe.
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Very lucky indeed for Clarissa. There is a Supreme Court judge here, who rejoices in the given names of Robertson Weeks; the man with three surnames.

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Unless it's shy we will find out the gender tomorrow. Which is good as dh has now decided he hoes t like the girls name we had [Frown] .

I really liked Elaine Ursula.

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Sometimes the parents decide not to go with the crowd's choice.

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quote:
Originally posted by Pigwidgeon:
Sometimes the parents decide not to go with the crowd's choice.

Cthulha Le-Dash-A? It certainly has a ring to it...

I the Netherlands, it was apparently a tradition among Catholics to give a lot of (saintly) first names. There are quite a few Dutch people with 4+ names. However, I was always a bit curious about their lack of playfulness in doing so. I never saw anything like

Lydia Olivia Vivian Edith

or

Christian Oliver Oscar Leon

or

Richard Orlando Charles Kurt
with his two sisters
Nadine
and
Rachel Olga Laetitia Leila

An opportunity missed, surely?

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Lyda*Rose

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quote:
Originally posted by IngoB:
quote:
Originally posted by Pigwidgeon:
Sometimes the parents decide not to go with the crowd's choice.

Cthulha Le-Dash-A? It certainly has a ring to it...

I the Netherlands, it was apparently a tradition among Catholics to give a lot of (saintly) first names. There are quite a few Dutch people with 4+ names. However, I was always a bit curious about their lack of playfulness in doing so. I never saw anything like

Lydia Olivia Vivian Edith

or

Christian Oliver Oscar Leon

or

Richard Orlando Charles Kurt
with his two sisters
Nadine
and
Rachel Olga Laetitia Leila

An opportunity missed, surely?

Sounds like Nadine got short-changed.

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IngoB said
quote:
I the Netherlands, it was apparently a tradition among Catholics to give a lot of (saintly) first names. There are quite a few Dutch people with 4+ names. However, I was always a bit curious about their lack of playfulness in doing so. I never saw anything like
Our rector last but two was a Dutchman, formerly a Catholic priest, who had been received into the Anglican faith so that he could marry, and rejoiced in the Christian names Ricardus Johannes Wilhelmus. We were accustomed to address him in the Anglicised fashion.
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quote:
Originally posted by Stercus Tauri:

One of our daughters has a cat called Olivetti, but somehow, I can't see that working for a baby, or for the girl who inevitably follows.

Bloody good name for a typewriter, but Olivia like my niece is superior, as is the teenage lass!

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quote:
Originally posted by sophs:
Unless it's shy we will find out the gender tomorrow. Which is good as dh has now decided he hoes t like the girls name we had [Frown] .

I really liked Elaine Ursula.

And was s/he shy?
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