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Horseman Bree
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According to the Guardian , one should not wear jeans after the age of 57.
Since I wear such leg attire just about all the time, and am turning 70, does this edict matter? Or is there permission to ignore fashion statements when one actually does stuff such as carpentry, painting, mechanical repairs and other wierd activities that are unheard-of in the fashion world?
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I think your sig is the perfect response.
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cliffdweller
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I've got a few months of jean-wearing left, then. But since in California, jeans are the answer to any wardrobe question, I suppose in a few months I'll be running around buck naked. That's not going to be good for anyone.
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Olaf
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90 is sooo the new 57.
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mousethief
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My mother still wears jeans, and she sailed past 57 many years ago. Chief purpose of this story is to get people to talk about the Guardian.
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Horseman Bree
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or the general irrelevance of fashion writing.
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Palimpsest
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The Guardian article contains irony. If you actually read it, it dismisses the theory;
"So wear your jeans until they bore you, PB, or until they just no longer feel right."
If it wasn't a satirical article you might conclude that you were too old to keep reading The Guardian. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Og, King of Bashan
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Originally posted by Horseman Bree:
Or is there permission to ignore fashion statements when one actually does stuff such as carpentry, painting, mechanical repairs and other wierd activities that are unheard-of in the fashion world?
There are jeans and there are jeans. I have a pair of beater jeans that I wear on dog walks and while doing yard work, and I'm a little ashamed to admit that I have a pair of jeans that I only wear if I am going out, usually with a sport coat or if I am feeling really daring, a dinner jacket. The cut on these two forms of jean is pretty different, as is the feel and look of the fabric, and (naturally) the price. If you went out on the town in the first pair, people would make fun of you for wearing mom jeans. If you went to the hardware store in the second, the guys might wonder if you have ever swung a hammer in your life.
I think they are only speaking of the second kind of jean when they give this kind of advice.
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mousethief
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What's the difference between a sports coat and a dinner jacket?
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Kelly Alves
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Originally posted by Olaf:
90 is sooo the new 57.
I tried to "like" this.
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Og, King of Bashan
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Originally posted by mousethief:
What's the difference between a sports coat and a dinner jacket?
Dinner jacket = tuxedo jacket.
Yes, that can be pulled off, but not with a pair of Wranglers.
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mousethief
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I couldn't even imagine wearing a tuxedo jacket with bluejeans. Or even black jeans. Even Sauron's not that uncouth.
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Og, King of Bashan
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It has to be navigated with equal balances of carefulness and swagger but it can be done. (Important lesson: when trying to demonstrate that a look works, it never hurts to have a picture of Justin Timberlake in said look as exhibit 1.)
In that post, you see the reference to "dressier" and "casual" jeans. Ant that, I think, is what the article is referring to.
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Leorning Cniht
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Originally posted by Og, King of Bashan:
In that post, you see the reference to "dressier" and "casual" jeans. Ant that, I think, is what the article is referring to.
Judging by the photos used, "dressier" = not shown clearly in picture. I suspect that if we saw a full-length picture of Mr. Timberlake in that getup, he would look worse.
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cliffdweller
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Originally posted by mousethief:
I couldn't even imagine wearing a tuxedo jacket with bluejeans. Or even black jeans. Even Sauron's not that uncouth.
This is formal attire in California.
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Lyda*Rose
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In his book The Painted Word, Tom Wolfe has a great satirical illustration of Jackson Pollock wearing paint-spattered jeans and a dinner jacket. Wolfe illustrates the difficulty counter-culture artists had accepting the windfalls of success and still keeping their revolutionary cred. Thus the caption, "I'm still a virgin. Where's the champagne?" (Sorry that I couldn't find a larger picture link.)
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Palimpsest
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Do you have any idea what those Jackson Pollock jeans are worth?
In his latter years, the frugal Pablo Picasso would pay his bills with checks that he put a little sketch on, knowing that they were more likely to be sold than cashed.
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balaam
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Jeans with a tailored jacket? Why does this make me think of Jeremy Clarkson?
Just. Don't.
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cattyish
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My Grannie taught me to dress like the queen. I don't wear a crown, but the idea is to dress appropriately for whatever occasion or situation. I therefore have the following criteria for clothes:
1) Comfortable.
2) They cover me.
3) Pockets.
4) Machine washable.
Since loads of women's clothes are deficient in one or more of these areas, jeans with a belt do for most days. The three days a week I work I tend to wear trousers which would be jeans if they were made of denim.
I suspect that a comfy pair of jeans will see me through my 60s, but I'll also need cycling shorts and hi-viz if I'm lucky. My friend Evelyn wears combat style trousers or cycling gear and she's over 70.
I have worn a drop waist satin frock with plenty beaded jewellery and enough make-up to sink a battleship recently, but only on stage.
Cattyish, off to buy fabric for a sewing project.
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My mother was still wearing jeans at the age of 94. She found them very comfortable and much easier to manage than stockings.
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MrsBeaky
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Back in our university days my husband used to wear jeans with a tailored jacket...we thought it was so cool then....oh dear!
I find the jeans thing quite interesting and I stopped wearing them way before I reached 57 because I came to the conclusion that although we all wear them when we are young not all of us look good in them though different cuts can help with that. It's the fabric thing too.I do have one pair of denim crop trousers which I do still wear.
My sister-in-law always looks amazing (60+) and I don't think she's ever worn jeans, not even when we were in our 20s. Hers is a classy look, even when relaxing and jeans don't quite work.
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Lamb Chopped
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This reminds me of class picture-taking days at the seminary, when you'd see guys running around campus with a suit jacket and clerical collar on the upper half, cut-off jeans shorts and sandals below.
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Karl: Liberal Backslider
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I, meanwhile, despite reaching the age of forty something that can't be called early forties alas, still wear them. Skinny ones at that. With my inside leg/height ratio, it's a positive style decision. Well, I think so anyway.
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quetzalcoatl
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Palimpsest has already made the point, but the Guardian article actually says the opposite to the OP's claim. She says, 'There are no age rules in fashion. Nada. Zilch.' The 57 rule is sarcastic.
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Amanda B. Reckondwythe
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I'm pushing 70 also, but I wear jeans most of the time -- with Timberland Pro boots.
As summer approaches, though, I've switched to shorts, although admittedly I don't really have the legs for them. ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
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Bishops Finger
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63 this year, and (now I have retired from paid employment) my normal daily attire about the parish is jeans, casual shirt, plain pullover (in cold weather), and whatever odd coat or jacket I can find in my wardrobe. I'm fortunate (?) to be fairly tall and thin, so comfy jeans are easy to find e.g. for a fiver from Asda's George (but how on earth do svelte young - or not-so-young - ladies, like our Vicar's wife, pour themselves into those really tight jeans? Inquiring minds need to know!).
On Sundays, however, it's black suit, black shirt, black overcoat and (occasionally) black homberg hat......with a tie of the appropriate liturgical colour......
Ian J.
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jedijudy
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My eighty-four year old Daddy-O wears jeans a lot. He also does a lot of outdoor work and climbs on the roof and up ladders to trim the live oaks. ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif) (Despite his daughter's pleas for caution.)
Jeans are very appropriate for that kind of lifestyle!
I, however, do not wear jeans anymore. *sigh*
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Pigwidgeon
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I'm over 60 -- I'll give up my jeans when you pry them from my cold, dead legs.
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Caissa
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I am 50 and still wear jeans in my downtime. I never wear them to work although my younger colleagues think Friday is designed for jeans.
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cliffdweller
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Originally posted by Caissa:
I am 50 and still wear jeans in my downtime. I never wear them to work although my younger colleagues think Friday is designed for jeans.
In California, every day is "casual Friday"
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Og, King of Bashan
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Originally posted by balaam:
Jeans with a tailored jacket? Why does this make me think of Jeremy Clarkson?
Just. Don't.
Perfect illustration of rule 1: do not attempt the sport coat look with your relaxed fit around the house jeans. Ditto if you didn't know there was any other fit.
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Piglet
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I don't see anything wrong with the casual/sports jacket/jeans combo à la Messrs. Clarkson, Hammond and May - and à la my 58-year-old Better Half for that matter - as long as it's paired with a suitably informal shirt and preferably brogue-type shoes.
Perhaps for a gentleman to get away with jeans and a dinner-jacket, he needs to be either a fashion designer or a rock singer, and/or have a supermodel on his arm.
For myself, I suspect I'll continue to live in my jeans* as long as I find them comfortable.
* even for work - most of my colleagues wear them, and so do I.
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Ariel
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Originally posted by mousethief:
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Originally posted by Og, King of Bashan:
It has to be navigated with equal balances of carefulness and swagger but it can be done.
That just doesn't work.
No, it doesn't. He looks like someone trying on clothes in a charity shop.
Quite honestly I really don't understand the appeal. If my trousers have holes in, or look faded, they get thrown out. What's the big deal about looking deliberately scruffy when you have the option of wearing clothes that make you look good? Unless you're about to do decorating or gardening, why go for grunge?
I've never owned a pair of blue jeans. Or trainers. There was a point when almost everyone of my generation was wearing these things - so much so that it looked like a uniform. Boring.
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leo
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Originally posted by leo:
and trackie bottoms for informal occasions for the rest of my life.
A colleague told me, this afternoon, that old men who wear trackie bottoms tend to be incontinent.
I have not yet felt able to forgive her for saying that.
Am sat here, now, in said trackie, dry, before changing into jeans and going out to lead a post-Lent group.
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Kelly Alves
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Originally posted by cliffdweller:
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Originally posted by mousethief:
I couldn't even imagine wearing a tuxedo jacket with bluejeans. Or even black jeans. Even Sauron's not that uncouth.
This is formal attire in California.
Not up here, it ain't.
I mean, jeans are good until you actually cross the "formal" line, but after that, a full suit is a full suit.
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mousethief
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Originally posted by cliffdweller:
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Originally posted by mousethief:
I couldn't even imagine wearing a tuxedo jacket with bluejeans. Or even black jeans. Even Sauron's not that uncouth.
This is formal attire in California.
Then California is more uncouth than I ever imagined.
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Amanda B. Reckondwythe
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Originally posted by Al Eluia:
Whatever the general merit of the fashion dictum (which is very little in my opinion), if you're pushing 70 you have every right to ignore it.
Besides, true men of fashion don't follow trends -- they set them!
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Originally posted by Al Eluia:
Whatever the general merit of the fashion dictum (which is very little in my opinion), if you're pushing 70 you have every right to ignore it.
As I always say of my own fashion choices - what's the point of being a mad old bat if you can't dress the part?
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Og, King of Bashan
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
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Originally posted by cliffdweller:
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Originally posted by mousethief:
I couldn't even imagine wearing a tuxedo jacket with bluejeans. Or even black jeans. Even Sauron's not that uncouth.
This is formal attire in California.
Not up here, it ain't.
I mean, jeans are good until you actually cross the "formal" line, but after that, a full suit is a full suit.
Oh, you'd never wear it to something that was actually black tie, or at least I wouldn't. There is an art to being daring, and rule number one is never to be under-dressed.
But let's say you are going out to a swanky bar where the median age hovers well below 50. A suit might make you look overdressed or even old. Slacks and a blazer are going to make you look like a high school student. What is a guy supposed to wear? I posit that one answer is nicely fitted jeans and a tailored jacket.
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Stercus Tauri
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Oddly enough, just this morning my older friend and I (combined ages 144 yrs) went to the Levi outlet store, as both our wives had told us our old jeans were disgusting - neither of us had noticed - and came away looking quite smart and fashionable. My 86 year old mother-in-law almost always wears jeans except for going to church. She could probably make good money selling her torn and faded jeans to teenagers, but prefers to keep them.
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L'organist
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I wear jeans most of the winter and chinos in the summer when denim can be too much.
I've one pair of 501s (black) that seem indestructible - I've been wearing them for over 30 years and they look as good (and as black) as the day I bought them.
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Timothy the Obscure
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Originally posted by cliffdweller:
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Originally posted by mousethief:
I couldn't even imagine wearing a tuxedo jacket with bluejeans. Or even black jeans. Even Sauron's not that uncouth.
This is formal attire in California.
In Portland he'd be wearing a flannel shirt. And one of those rasta stocking caps.
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lilBuddha
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Wear whatever you want, but own it. And do not expect everyone to like it.
Link not worksafe unless you turn down the volume.
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Dennis the Menace
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I'll be 63 soon and still wear jeans and about to go into forced retirement. Have at least six prs in various states of 'newness'. Wear them to church, theatre, shopping etc. Trakkie daks are for around the house ONLY, never, ever past the front gate.
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Karl: Liberal Backslider
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
Wear whatever you want, but own it. And do not expect everyone to like it.
Link not worksafe unless you turn down the volume.
Quite possibly some of the worst music I've ever heard. Well done lilBuddha.
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Karl: Liberal Backslider
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Originally posted by Ariel:
Quite honestly I really don't understand the appeal. If my trousers have holes in, or look faded, they get thrown out. What's the big deal about looking deliberately scruffy when you have the option of wearing clothes that make you look good? Unless you're about to do decorating or gardening, why go for grunge?
I can explain that. I'm scruffy because I'm scruffy. I'm not smart. I'm scruffy. My clothes reflect that. If I wear the finest Savile Row suit I'm still a scruff, just a scruff in a suit. There are pictures of me in dinner suits and bats round throat outfits for concerts. I'm still a scruff. Fortunately I work in IT.
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quetzalcoatl
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I also think scruffy looks good, and I always have. Things like ties and suits make me look like a down-at-heel hit-man.
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