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This year the Feast of the Presentation falls on a Sunday, 2nd February 2014.
Will your church be marking it in a special way, or does it give way to the normal Sunday?
Any thoughts on how it can be creatively observed?
I know the RC Church starts with the procession and, curiously, the Church of England finishes with it.
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One of the churches in our group is The Church of the Holy Sepulchre and uses Candlemas as its Feast of Title, so it will be a group service with a meal afterwards. White vestments, incense (the norm for us anyway though), lots of candles (of course!), ending with a procession.
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Some practical considerations are helpfully considered over at Pray Tell.
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Thank you Hart.
I see it is mentioned that some people will take their candle home. What a lovely custom.
Trouble is I never quite know what to do with it when I get home ![[Smile]](smile.gif) I think to realistically give someone a candle to take home it needs to be quite substantial or significant - not just a little ordinary candle in a cardboard circle.
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Originally posted by Clotilde:
This year the Feast of the Presentation falls on a Sunday, 2nd February 2014.
Will your church be marking it in a special way, or does it give way to the normal Sunday?
Any thoughts on how it can be creatively observed?
I know the RC Church starts with the procession and, curiously, the Church of England finishes with it.
The CofE rubrics allow for the Procession to take place either at the beginning or the end. It seems to me that this is one feast that is now more widely observed in the CofE - with a sung Eucharist and procession even if it doesn't fall on a Sunday - than in the RC Church which only observes it with any solemnity if it falls on a Sunday.
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Yes I understand that liturgylover, but I am not quite sure why the Church of England boosted its significance. Its a greater festival in the C of E but not in many other Anglican churches where as in RC churches it is ranked feast only.
I guess its about why its thought to be significant - what the message behind the feast is. Some must think its more important than others.
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Yes I understand that liturgylover, but I am not quite sure why the Church of England boosted its significance. Its a greater festival in the C of E but not in many other Anglican churches where as in RC churches it is ranked feast only.
I guess its about why its thought to be significant - what the message behind the feast is. Some must think its more important than others.
I think it would be more accurate to ask why other provinces and denominations have dropped this great feast. For the CofE it has always been marked consistently in the Prayer Books, albeit initially as The Purification of the Blessed Virgin Mary without the ceremonies. With its pivotal narrative looking back and forward, the bittersweet words of Luke's Gospel and the first singing of the Nunc Dimitis, it is a pity that it is not better observed across the Church.
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Although I'm UMC, I'm taking a cue from the TEC's 79 BCP and covering it. The BCP states that it takes precedence over Sundays.
Not quite certain yet what we're doing, but it will most likely involve incense, candles, and (weather permitting) a procession. I'm going to flip through the Book of Occasional Services and see what I might find. ![[Biased]](wink.gif)
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I think the issue here is, do you see a Christmas season of twelve days, or an Incarnation season of forty days, closed by the Presentation? The RCC calendar sees 12 days, then moves into Ordinary Time. The American liturgical churches using the RCL have largely followed this pattern, save for moving the Gospel for Lent II in the Catholic lectionary to the Last Sunday after Epiphany. C of E, I gather, has given much greater emphasis to the Presentation as the closing feast of a season of incarnation (another 40 days).
For Lutherans and Episcopalians in North America, there is a Christmas season that ends with the Epiphany (or the Baptism of Our Lord), and an Epiphany season (a season including the Magi, Christ's Baptism, and the wedding at Cana) that concludes with the Transfiguration (another "manifestation") on the Sunday before Ash Wednesday.
This really is the part of the liturgical calendar where there is the greatest difference between different denominations.
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Here in the Province of Australia, Candlemas has since my earliest memory never been a feature of Anglican worship. The reason why this is the case is probably quite simple - a service based on light looses significance when it is still blazingly bright outside up to 8pm or so.
The Australian Lectionary - largely the RCL - uses the term Sunday after Epiphany/Ordinary Sunday xx - with green as the recommended colour. We have not followed the CW extension of a prolonged incarnational season.
What has always been a Feast is that of the Purification of the BVM (for Anglo-Catholics) or the Presentation of Christ in the Temple (for other non-spikey Anglicans). Of course, both of those are absent from usage here in the post-Jensenite Diocese of Sydney.
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As it is a feast about Christ, anglo and Roman Catholics no longer talk about the Purification of the BVM.
The reason why C of E usage has the procession at the end is owing to a dubious notion that Candlemas 'turns' us away from Christmas and forward to Lent - so the procession moves to the font, people 'turn' towards it and the final responses are all about Lent.
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As for things to do - apart from the traditional ceremonies, i quite like dwelling on the theme of older people (like Simeon and Anna) recognising the gifts of younger people.
Maybe some sort of creative activity pairing adults and children? (We once replaced the sermon slot with adults interviewing children and vice versa and then posting up anonymous summaries.)
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Originally posted by leo:
As it is a feast about Christ, anglo and Roman Catholics no longer talk about the Purification of the BVM.
As usual, by "anglo-catholics" leo means "leo" ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
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I think of it as the feast of presentation, too - hence the thread title.
But I also think of it as candlemas, and the blessing of candles is a traditional part of the history of the day. But how is it done, if at all, now?
I've come across, a while ago, a church where different candles were laid out on a table and blessed along with the peoples candles to be carried in the day's worship.
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Originally posted by Emendator Liturgia:
Here in the Province of Australia, Candlemas has since my earliest memory never been a feature of Anglican worship. The reason why this is the case is probably quite simple - a service based on light looses significance when it is still blazingly bright outside up to 8pm or so.
And 40+ degrees C
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Originally posted by leo:
As it is a feast about Christ, anglo and Roman Catholics no longer talk about the Purification of the BVM.
The reason why C of E usage has the procession at the end is owing to a dubious notion that Candlemas 'turns' us away from Christmas and forward to Lent -
Why 'dubious notion'?
But I agree with leo's first paragraph. The post-Vatican 2 reforms brought some scriptural orthodoxy and common-sense to the liturgy. Some anglo-catholics might not agree and that is their prerogative.
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Given that a fair proportion of our folk stroll in anywhere between the entrance hymn and the Gospel, it makes sense for us to have the procession to the font and associated prayers at the end of Mass.....
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Here is a RC Candlemas ceremony for children, not at Mass, it seems to be a school liturgy.
I think it is interesting in developing the theme of Christ our Light.
Perhaps this could be an inspiration for the introduction to the Candlemas celebration - the Mass, and so involving children and adults together ...
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Originally posted by Bishops Finger:
Given that a fair proportion of our folk stroll in anywhere between the entrance hymn and the Gospel, it makes sense for us to have the procession to the font and associated prayers at the end of Mass.....
Ian J.
Or you could change the Mass time to 15 minutes later that week, but not tell anyone
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Oh, we've already thought of that one... ![[Two face]](graemlins/scot_twoface.gif) but Father said No.....
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It will be kept properly as Candlemas: falling on the first Sunday it will be a Family Eucharist.
All the candles possible will be lit, chandeliers included.
We shall remember the presentation of the child Jesus to Simeon: the choir will sing Eccard's When to the temple Mary went.
Just before the sermon new Choristers will be admitted to the choir - our own young being presented to the congregation in their new guise.
Afterwards there will be cake to go with coffee and all the children present will be given a candle to take home.
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That sounds lovely and appropriate L'organist!
What hymns are suitable or used? Many set in the hymn books are not very well known.
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L'Oganist has reminded me of the lovely Candlemas music - we always use the wonderful Eccard anthem too, as well as Hail to the Lord who Comes as a processional and a setting -last year it was Burgon's which is lovely -of the Nunc Dimitis after the candles are blessed. Another church near me even managed its own Candlemas evening service of music and readings to complement the morning Eucharist.
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One year, I saw the Taizé chant "Our darkness is never darkness ..." used very effectively at the entrance, but then that was a weeknight. As our antipodean shipmates have noted, it does rather lose something on a Sunday morning in broad daylight.
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What hymns are suitable or used? Many set in the hymn books are not very well known.
Really? Which hymn books are you looking at? The main CofE ones cite Hail to the Lord who comes, Of the Father's heart begotten, Faithful Vigil ended, Virgin-born we bow before thee, Christ whose glory fills the sky, For Mary Mother of our Lord which are all well known. Common Praise also suggests When candles are lighted on Candlemas day which is listed in the Christingle section!
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As it is a feast about Christ, anglo and Roman Catholics no longer talk about the Purification of the BVM.
Dunno about that. From the 1662: quote:
The Purification of the Virgin Mary.
The Prefentation of Christ in the Temple, commonly called, The Purification of St. Mary the Virgin
and from the American 1928: quote:
The Presentation of Christ in the Temple, commonly called The Purification of Saint Mary the Virgin, or Candlemas
At our local AC shack, the procession goes to the Shrine of Our Lady of Hardwork; and then, we flounce back to the altar to for Solemn Benediction.
Nobody bats an eyelash.
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Originally posted by leo:
As it is a feast about Christ, anglo and Roman Catholics no longer talk about the Purification of the BVM.
Dunno about that. From the 1662: quote:
The Purification of the Virgin Mary.
The Prefentation of Christ in the Temple, commonly called, The Purification of St. Mary the Virgin
and from the American 1928: quote:
The Presentation of Christ in the Temple, commonly called The Purification of Saint Mary the Virgin, or Candlemas
Bit it's 2014 now! It was largely Vatican 2 that insisted that we shift our emphasis away from our Lady to Our Lord - as she wished in her lifetime.
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I suppose the compilers of the current (1959) Canadian prayer book must have missed the memo.
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Originally posted by leo:
Bit it's 2014 now!
Whence this relentless forced march into (post-)modernity? The Book of Common Prayer is only 350 years old and the 1928 American book hasn't even cracked a century. quote:
It was largely Vatican 2 that insisted that we shift our emphasis away from our Lady to Our Lord - as she wished in her lifetime.
Through Mary to Jesus: We walk to the Lady Shrine (and remember that walk is hard work) and then we walk from the Shrine back to the altar of the most blessed sacrament of the Body and Blood of our Lord and God and Savior Jesus Christ for solemn benediction.
From "Ye who own the faith of Jesus / sing the wonders that were done" all the way to "Praise, O Mary, praise the Father / praise thy Savior and thy Son / praise the everlasting Spirit /who hath made thee ark and throne,"¹ it's all about Jesus, it's all about the Trinity.
Ya wanna make it all about Jesus, leaving Mary out of her principal place as Champion-leader (Τη Υπερμάχω) of the Saints? I'm down with that. Knock yourself out.
But, let's leave a little breathing room for diversity for the Orthodox, the Roman Catholics, and the Mary-praising AngloCatholics.
And, let it be said, lest we forget, that Vatican 2 is the most recent council, not confirmed yet by any subsequent one. And, it was not ecumenical. A tangent for another time.
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It is no doubt a tangent, but surely the reason Anglo-catholics used to treat the Presentation/Purification, as well as the Annunciation, as being mainly about Mary, is because the Prayer Book had abolished the major feast of Our Lady on 15 August. Now that has been restored in Common Worship (and most other Anglican Communion calendars?) we can rebalance our perspectives a bit.
Of course Mary is the co-star in both the former feasts, but the lead character is Jesus.
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It is no doubt a tangent, but surely the reason Anglo-catholics used to treat the Presentation/Purification, as well as the Annunciation, as being mainly about Mary, is because the Prayer Book had abolished the major feast of Our Lady on 15 August. Now that has been restored in Common Worship (and most other Anglican Communion calendars?) we can rebalance our perspectives a bit.
Of course Mary is the co-star in both the former feasts, but the lead character is Jesus.
I think that's right but it's worth adding that the Prayer Book also included the Annunciation of the Blessed Virgin Mary as a feast day - also the Prayer Book Calendar marked the Visitation of the BVM; the Nativity of the BVM and the Conception of the BVM. Many Anglo-Catholic parishes dedicated to St Mary used the Visitation or Nativity for their patronal festivals prior to liturgical reform.
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While I can see the Marian theme in the feast it for me seems only A minor theme. None of the texts (except the Scripture) in the modern Roman Missal mention purification, or, it would seem Mary.
I see a principal theme being the light of the world, the glory of God, coming among his people.
So 'brightening' the 'holy temple' 'by the splendour of ... candles' seems appropriate.
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I don't think anyone would contest that Mary was never the central theme of the feast: as with the Circumcision (except in reverse), it's the name that's changed, not the focus.
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Candlemas is about Jesus. Good. Now that we have that sorted, allow me to say, in the same sentence, Nunc dimittis and candles.
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Yes, indeed silent acolyte. To me Nunc D and candles seem significant features! I do find it a little strange though to sing 'Lord now let your servant depart...' as you enter! Oh I know it doesnt mean that, but...
Christ whose Glory fills the skies, seems a good choice for the day.
And I know hiundreds will cry out 'Oh No' to - Shine Jesus Shine - however, I'd not mind it being sung on this feast at the end.
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Re: Shine Jesus, Shine
Although superficially this might seem a good idea if you read the words they refer to an adult Jesus - so not really appropriate to a 6 week old Lord, IMO.
In any case, its a cr*p song.
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Can anyone possibly point me to an online resource with hymn suggestions for the day? Since the UMC doesn't observe Presentation, the General Board of Discipleship's worship page doesn't have any (they have Epiphany 4 suggestions).
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You could do worse than go to the Hymnary site and either search by topic (if it's included) or appropriate Bible reference.
You could also try the Text this Week.
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Ha! I don't know how I missed the links on TextWeek. Thank you.
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The Orthodox call the feast on 2 February The Meeting (ie of Simeon and Anna with Jesus).
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Our offering is a procession that includes blessing of church candles (and any domestic ones that people care to bring along) and a choral Eucharist. The music harks back to Advent and Christmas, includes a Nunc dimittis, and then looks forward towards Lent.
It's one of my favourite services of the whole year - up there with the Advent procession.
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Ours will include the blessing of candles (distributing them to the Nunc dimittis w/antiphon) and a procession with the candles outside the church, with the choir singing antiphons. And since we're blessing something, it's a great excuse for having incense, not only in the processions but also at the Introit, Gospel, and Offertory.
"O Sion, open wide thy gates" is a little-heard but very suitable hymn for this feast.
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Just remembered - St Marys CoE in Tadley (Hants) always opens with the procession.
MOTR to high-ish mind so no incense or bells or sung Eucharist.
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Okay, so here is how I think it is going to play out at our shack. The weather forecast is for nice, warm weather and a slight chance of rain. We can work with that. So we're going to start in the parking lot with candles and the Nunc Dimittis, and then process into the church. We are using smoke, chanting the Gloria (which we don't usually use at all), and using the sung responses to the Great Thanksgiving. Also, someone is singing Of the Father's Love Begotten as a solo, since the congregation and choir doesn't know it.
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Our RC parish is celebrating with many candles, apparently to be carried by the choir in procession (the director warned us not to wear anything flammable). Details on Monday.
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I've just moved here, and I think that our parish is having a Christingle supported by the girls' choir and juniors. I think the anthem is 'This Little Light of Mine' or similar. There may be a procession involved, I know not.
I'm going to the eight o'clock BCP service.
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Presentation / Candlemas observed today.
1. All congregation got a candle which was lit after the Epistle.
2. New choristers were admitted after the sermon; new Head Chorister also given medal.
3. Altar candles for the coming year were blessed after communion.
For music we sang: Of the Father's love begotten; Hail to the Lord who comes to his temple gate; Faithful vigil ended; Forth in the peace of Christ (hymns). When to the temple Mary went Eccard; Nunc dimittis (Dyson in F); Played them out to the Choral Song and Fugue by Wesley.
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