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Mudfrog
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"The fool has said in his heart, there is no God.'
I am aware that Richard Dawkins is an educated man but he is a bloody idiot.
His latest outrage is as reported here and just goes to show what an insensitive, inhumane piece of heartless, callous crap he really is.
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orfeo
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Well, it's nice of you to link his views with his atheism, when he didn't.
He is in fact correct that many fetuses/babies (choose your term) with Down's syndrome are aborted. I've read an article on that point within the last week.
He may well be an insensitive git for telling people they should be aborted. Criticising those parents who decide to continue a pregnancy is hardly nice.
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lilBuddha
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Originally posted by orfeo:
He may well be an insensitive git
He is an insensitive git.
However, this
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Originally posted by orfeo:
Well, it's nice of you to link his views with his atheism, when he didn't.
is true.
Elsewise we can judge Christianity by WBC....
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
Elsewise we can judge Christianity by WBC....
I'd have said judging atheism by Dawkins is more like judging Christianity by Rick Warren?
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His comment
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Apparently I'm a horrid monster for recommending WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENS to the great majority of Down Syndrome fetuses. They are aborted.
makes no sense. He appears to be saying that you shouldn't call someone a horrid monster if they recommend something that actually happens. Rape actually happens. Murder actually happens. War actually happens. Yes, you can be a horrid monster for recommending something that actually happens. The question that determines whether or not you are a horrid monster for recommending something is not whether it actually happens, but whether it's an ethical thing to do.
For a supposed "bright" he's not very bright, at least in this twit. Sorry, tweet.
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The reason why he fails, as I pointed out to him, why he is inferior to Christianity even if he is 110% right and God is a delusion, is that he doesn't love his enemies.
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it's not just not loving his enemies, it's not respecting his enemies. He's an arrogant twat, but there are plenty of religious people who share his faults.
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I've been wondering if the man is in early stage dementia; he's lost the bloody plot. He's made various tweets in recent months that have heated the water around him. Maybe he just has a new book coming out. His atheist gene must be so unselfish that it needs constant propagation.
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There's an inverse correlation in his case between IQ and EQ. His frontal lobes aren't polarized which is most unusual (he can't be 'spooked') and one suspects that correlates with my correlation. If that had been detected amniotically, he should, of course, have been hoist with his own petard and aborted.
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This is the same man who, after a female atheist/skeptic blogger (SkepChick) complained about an uncomfortable sexual advance, said that Western women have no right to complain about sexism as it's worse under the Taliban.
He also said that a Muslim journalist (Mehdi Hasan) was not fit to do his job because he believes that Muhammed flew to heaven on a winged horse.
His small-minded thoughts are not limited to Christians or the religious. And then he hides behind his scientific credentials to claim that those who don't like what he says aren't logical or rational.
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Originally posted by fletcher christian:
I've been wondering if the man is in early stage dementia; he's lost the bloody plot. He's made various tweets in recent months that have heated the water around him. Maybe he just has a new book coming out. His atheist gene must be so unselfish that it needs constant propagation.
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The thing is, I follow a few atheists on twitter. They are cringing and wishing he would shut up.
Like most Christians do when WBC talk.
It is an interesting learning experience for them. He is pretty much on his own, most of his natural supporters having abandoned him. Which is sad for him.
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Originally posted by Schroedinger's cat:
The thing is, I follow a few atheists on twitter. They are cringing and wishing he would shut up.
Like most Christians do when WBC talk.
It is an interesting learning experience for them. He is pretty much on his own, most of his natural supporters having abandoned him. Which is sad for him.
I'm an atheist and I disagree with a lot of his opinions.
By the way Martin what's wrong with not loving your enemies?
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Originally posted by Martin PC not & Ship's Biohazard:
There's an inverse correlation in his case between IQ and EQ. His frontal lobes aren't polarized which is most unusual (he can't be 'spooked') and one suspects that correlates with my correlation. If that had been detected amniotically, he should, of course, have been hoist with his own petard and aborted.
Hah - clever!
I agree with you, his emotional intelligence seems to be running on zero. I wounder if this is also the reason why he can't fathom religion and how good for us it can be?
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Mousethief nailed it right here.
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The "Dawkins Delusion" strikes again: "Sadly, many otherwise sane people are deluded into believing in Richard Dawkins and that he has something sensible to say. Unfortunately the existence of anything sensible coming from Dawkins cannot be proved and is almost certainly the product of his followers' imaginations. There is probably a genetic cause for belief in Dawkins, so one is forced on one level to have pity on those who have this affliction whilst also recognising that it has caused much harm over the years...." (contd for 94 pages)
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A substantial part of Dawkins problem is that he simply isn't as smart as he like to think he is. Really, he is no intellectual power house and I don't think he's had an original thought in maybe half a century now. Journalists look to Dawkins for the atheist view on everything, which annoys other atheists as he is ill-equipped to give them on many topics. Moreover, giving "The atheist view" is like giving "The Christian view". These things vary.
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Mudfrog
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
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Originally posted by orfeo:
He may well be an insensitive git
He is an insensitive git.
However, this
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Originally posted by orfeo:
Well, it's nice of you to link his views with his atheism, when he didn't.
is true.
Elsewise we can judge Christianity by WBC....
I understand what you say but WBC doesn't purport to speak for all Christianity and doesn't have a million adoring fans or followers on Twitter. Neither does WBC tap into the kind of 'right on' atheistic university culture that merely laughs at the stupidity of Christian belief and fuels so much of today's popular late night comedy on the TV.
Because Dawkins is the 'scientific' version of Stephen Fry, Frankie Boyle, Tim Minchin and Ricky Gervais, he retains popularity because the sheep who follow such opinion think he must be right because he uses big words.
As far as the atheism thing and whether I'm right to bring that up in a parallel comment I would defend myself thusly:
Some atheists claim that their moral compass is just as strong as that of people of faith. The problem is that, whilst most atheists - and I know some as relatives and friends - are incredibly lovely human beings just the same as the rest of us, when it comes to moral choices they have no fixed point. That's not to say they don't make the correct moral choices and that Christians always do - that's obviously not the case!
BUT I would adapt something Billy Graham said when he was speaking about the conscience: He said that most people treat their conscience like a wheelbarrow, they push it around wherever they want it to go.
It's the same with morality and ethics - a man like Dawkins has no objective moral code that he lives by, other than the one he has created for himself or decides to accept from the culture around him. He himself is the arbiter of what is good and evil, according to his own philosophy and opinion.
Therefore his dreadful opinion about killing Downs babies before they are born is entirely derived from his atheistic philosophy that tells him that because there is not objective truth, and no accountability to God who has declared what is right and wrong, he can say and do as he wishes as long as society allows it.
Yes, Christians increasingly do the same thing - but that doesn't make it right.
Behaving like there is no God while believeing in one is inconsistent to say the least.
Dawkins not only thinks there is no God, he behaves like it to - at least he's consistently foolish.
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Vaticanchic
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Dawkins is successfully drawing attention to the hypocrisy that most of the voices outraged at his proposition are otherwise pro-choice. Infants without any apparent disability are already being aborted in huge numbers. Why is his latest proposition more of an outrage than this? Only those of a total pro-life position are morally able to challenge his opinion.
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Originally posted by Vaticanchic:
Dawkins is successfully drawing attention to the hypocrisy that most of the voices outraged at his proposition are otherwise pro-choice. Infants without any apparent disability are already being aborted in huge numbers. Why is his latest proposition more of an outrage than this? Only those of a total pro-life position are morally able to challenge his opinion.
That's not even close to what he did.
Someone posted to him that if she was pregnant with a DS child it would be an ethical dilemma for her.
His answer was that it's WRONG to choose to keep the pregnancy - his words were "It would be immoral to bring it into the world if you have the choice." That is absolutely the opposite of choice (regardless of his use of the word), it is an external male voice telling women what the right thing to do with our bodies and our pregnancies is. No different from the Pope, George W Bush, or anyone else.
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Yea, I know what he said, but Dawkins doesn't decide what's right & wrong - so that's discounted. The hypocrisy still exists.
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Originally posted by Vaticanchic:
Dawkins is successfully drawing attention to the hypocrisy that most of the voices outraged at his proposition are otherwise pro-choice. Infants without any apparent disability are already being aborted in huge numbers. Why is his latest proposition more of an outrage than this? Only those of a total pro-life position are morally able to challenge his opinion.
Many who have abortions don't want to do so. Circumstances drive them to it. How about doing or even advocating something practical instead of this callous holier-than-thou grandstanding?
I hope you feel good about it.
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Originally posted by Vaticanchic:
Dawkins is successfully drawing attention to the hypocrisy that most of the voices outraged at his proposition are otherwise pro-choice. Infants without any apparent disability are already being aborted in huge numbers. Why is his latest proposition more of an outrage than this? Only those of a total pro-life position are morally able to challenge his opinion.
I'm not pro-choice!
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Originally posted by Vaticanchic:
Yea, I know what he said, but Dawkins doesn't decide what's right & wrong - so that's discounted. The hypocrisy still exists.
I don't know how you can say the hypocrisy exists without knowing the beliefs of the people who are outraged with Dawkins. Given that some of the people complaining have their own DS children that seems like a rather odd assumption on your part.
And again - being pro-choice does not mean you support telling women that they SHOULD have abortions in certain situations and that not doing so is immoral.
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I'm betting FC is right and he has a book due. Looking forward to FC's review of the book, because he's an excellent book reviewer.
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Dawkins is one of those people who thinks (and others think) that because he is expert in one field and can speak well, that he is expert about anything and everything. Dawkins knows genetics, evolution and science, but this hardly qualifies him to discuss as anything, but as an average person, ethics, religion, poetry, skeet shooting and bagpipe playing. My criticism goes beyond this particular article: I think he is irresponsible and as a professional scientist he should know better; when he comments like this, he is acting the publicity hound, and is merely a troll.
He is an ass because he enters into debates merely to enjoy controversy (and if you're right to sell more books with the same recycled ideas), when he is a know-nothing about the topic. He understands the genetics of Down's, full stop.
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Originally posted by Mudfrog:
Some atheists claim that their moral compass is just as strong as that of people of faith. The problem is that, whilst most atheists - and I know some as relatives and friends - are incredibly lovely human beings just the same as the rest of us, when it comes to moral choices they have no fixed point. That's not to say they don't make the correct moral choices and that Christians always do - that's obviously not the case!
And when it comes to genocide what is your fixed moral point? Your fixed moral point cannot exclude genocide because your god has ordered and approved it in the past according to the Bible, which is where I assume you derive your boast that you have a superior moral compass. What happens if you hear a voice in your head saying: "This is God. Go out and massacre a people for me"? you cannot unequivocally deny it's God, because he's got form. So do you keep to your fixed moral point and obey orders, or do you cross your fingers and become a moral relativist?
To be blunt I am heartily glad that I don't have the same "fixed moral point" of someone who believes in such a god and yet still thinks him worthy of worship. That is a truly scary basis of morality, fixed or not.
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Originally posted by Chesterbelloc:
Mousethief nailed it right here.
Oh, I agree. The logic of his defense is flawed.
It's just not flawed because he's an atheist.
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Originally posted by orfeo:
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Originally posted by Chesterbelloc:
Mousethief nailed it right here.
Oh, I agree. The logic of his defense is flawed.
It's just not flawed because he's an atheist.
True, although one could argue that Dawkins tries to make things like this about his atheism.
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Originally posted by Vaticanchic:
Dawkins is successfully drawing attention to the hypocrisy that most of the voices outraged at his proposition are otherwise pro-choice. Infants without any apparent disability are already being aborted in huge numbers. Why is his latest proposition more of an outrage than this? Only those of a total pro-life position are morally able to challenge his opinion.
I am pro-choice; and when I was pregnant with a handicapped child (not Downs) I chose to continue the pregnancy. Dawkins has said that he thinks that letting women like me choose what to do with our pregnancies and our bodies is wrong; we should have no choice, but should abort.
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I am pro-choice; and when I was pregnant with a handicapped child (not Downs) I chose to continue the pregnancy. Dawkins has said that he thinks that letting women like me choose what to do with our pregnancies and our bodies is wrong; we should have no choice, but should abort.
While being stupid on Twitter, yes is looked like he did. Writing at greater length, not so much. FWIW, my own choice would be different to his, and I wish he would shut down his Twitter feed forever because he is becoming a liability to atheists.
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Rational, fair, credible hindsight after the unwisdom of a private 'telegraphese' tweet going viral.
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The only extra words he needed not to create a shitstorm were "I would" at the front of the tweet.
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Originally posted by Martin PC not & Ship's Biohazard:
Rational, fair, credible hindsight after the unwisdom of a private 'telegraphese' tweet going viral.
And it is hindsight. How many words are needed to say that a single tweet can't cover the subtleties?
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Hey, we all do that here all the time. He's just come down to our level.
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Twitter: the clue is in the name, which start with twit, which is sometimes defined as 'a person who makes a dim monkey look clever'.
'Nuff said ![[Yipee]](graemlins/spin.gif)
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Yet twitter can be used rather pointedly by someone who is light on their feet, witty, and/or charming. Dawkins is none of these; and maybe he is just getting too old for these capers.
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"Down's syndrome is natural, it has occurred since time began and we are all different, we all need support at different times and have our 'flaws', that is part of humanity and what makes society rich, what makes life interesting.
Our daughter is now seven and she has taught us so very much. She is an ambassador, a teacher, she makes us appreciate the details of life, learn in different ways. She intuitively watches out for the emotional needs of her classmates, always there for those who are upset, or the ones with a bumped knee. She is funny and bright and feisty. You see Mr Dawkins, this is someone's worth, this is what we put back. The only burden we have on our shoulders as parents is tackling the misinformed."
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Originally posted by Grokesx:
While being stupid on Twitter, yes is looked like he did. Writing at greater length, not so much.
Reads as a notapology to me and he takes the time to blame the people who did not understand what he did not say.
Atheists liked having a celebrity and he likes being one. Too bad his ego is larger than his expertise. You are better off with a person with both more humility and the ability to speak from the correct orifice.
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Originally posted by Anselmina:
For a measly $100,000 you can have breakfast with the great man .
And to think dopey old Jesus actually cooked his followers their breakfast for nothing!! Doh!
I love it. "At this point it is obvious to everyone except the participants that what we have here is a religion without the good bits."
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What I find appalling is his contention that while Down's Syndrome makes one subhuman, Autism is an enhancement. Or, to put it another way, 'less empathic', in Dawkins-speak, translates into 'better'. So is his ultimate goal an emotionless robot? Like Data, only without the charm?
Or, to put it another way, he is introducing some kind of hierarchy of human behaviours that makes that in Brave New World seem kinda moderate.
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Originally posted by Figbash:
What I find appalling is his contention that while Down's Syndrome makes one subhuman, Autism is an enhancement. Or, to put it another way, 'less empathic', in Dawkins-speak, translates into 'better'. So is his ultimate goal an emotionless robot? Like Data, only without the charm?
Or, to put it another way, he is introducing some kind of hierarchy of human behaviours that makes that in Brave New World seem kinda moderate.
Or in other words, "loathsome little replicas of himself" to quote Screwtape.
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Sounds like he'd be at home on the staff in a death camp in the Third Reich.
Once you start aborting babies that, in your estimation, are less than perfect, what do you do once they are here - if you had the power?
Would it be immoral to let them live?
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You know, one can really ruin a convincing argument by driving it into hyperbole.
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I'm aware of that. I know it's a ridiculous thing to propose but then...who would have thought that the stuff that went on in Germany would actually take place. That policy and those dreadful acts, started with privately held opinions and prejudices.
Once life is cheapened in any way, then it becomes progressively easier to dispose of it.
Just look at the discussions we now have about euthenasia - sorry 'assisted suicide'!
That which seemed so horrendous and beyond the pale 10 years ago is becoming more and more acceptable to contemplate and practice - celebrity endorsed even.
All I'm saying is that an attitude could one day become an action.
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Dawkins is successfully drawing attention to the hypocrisy that most of the voices outraged at his proposition are otherwise pro-choice. Infants without any apparent disability are already being aborted in huge numbers. Why is his latest proposition more of an outrage than this? Only those of a total pro-life position are morally able to challenge his opinion.
Dawkin's tweet is outrageous because it is not pro-choice. It says DS foetuses SHOULD be aborted, that's as fixed a position as the pro-lifers. Stay out of women's bodies Dawkins it's the mothers' choice. ![[Mad]](angryfire.gif)
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