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They've clearly done their homework on this -- drawn up some venn diagrams and spotted a significant demographic intersection of religious fundamentalists ∩ fat idiots too stupid to see they're being targeted by a crass marketing campaign. I've never heard of Chick Fil A, but I appreciate the inclusion of the Wendy's pic among the commentaries. That's a place I can recognise and avoid.
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I posted elsewhere about gluttony being rated a long way down the sin ladder. Are we providing feature writers with leads?
eta: Drunkenness too: Visit Cheltenham during the March racing festival. It isn't exactly a Father Jack convention, but it's a pilgrimage for some.
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![[Disappointed]](graemlins/disappointed.gif) Now everyone has heard of their horrible brand
So, It worked!
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I have a theory that a lot of social activism these days is done out of facebook spite. I knew plenty of people who wouldn't eat at that restaurant because of its conservative politics before the CEO went and made his franchisees cringe by pissing off half of America. But then he opens his mouth, and my facebook feed explodes with newly minted activists who want you to know that they are not going to eat any more chicken sandwiches (never mind that most of them didn't eat there all that often in the first place- it was just rather convenient that their inaction could become a moral stand). But as happens whenever a social movement gets turned into a million memes and someEcards that get plastered all over facebook, people on the other side who ordinarily wouldn't have gone out of their way to eat there get mad, and go there out of spite.
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What on earth is it all about?
Chick-fil-a recently went on record as officially, as a company, being against gay marriage. When the original statement was made, lots of people who disagree with Dan Cathy's statement were calling for a boycott of Chick-fil-a.
Some people believe that it is a Christian's duty to be anti gay marriage. Some such people want to show their support for the announcement by visiting an establishment with policies like this.
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Originally posted by catthefat:
What on earth is it all about?
Chick-fil-a recently went on record as officially, as a company, being against gay marriage. When the original statement was made, lots of people who disagree with Dan Cathy's statement were calling for a boycott of Chick-fil-a.
Well, it's not so much about Dan Cathy's statements as about the revelation that Chick-fil-A (which sounds like an euphemism for pegging) has been bankrolling groups like the Family Research Council (considered a hate group by the SPLC), which actively works to harm gays and gay families through the political process.
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This is huge here, with long lines outside all the outlets. I didn't even know we had this chain in our area!
The issue for the people I've talked to is the effort to stamp out the restaurant chain just becuase the owner gave an opinion.
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The issue for the people I've talked to is the effort to stamp out the restaurant chain just becuase the owner gave an opinion.
Businesses are boycotted all the time - that's kind of a consumer right - to choose who you seek to do business with.
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Sometimes the best thing that can happen to you is to be busted by the liberal thought police.
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Originally posted by Freddy:
The issue for the people I've talked to is the effort to stamp out the restaurant chain just becuase the owner gave an opinion.
Businesses are boycotted all the time - that's kind of a consumer right - to choose who you seek to do business with.
Yes they do. It is a perfectly normal thing.
What got people going in my area is the statements of government officials, quoted in the links given above:
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At least four Democratic officials in three major northern U.S. cities spoke against Cathy's views, some essentially telling the Atlanta-based restaurant chain not to try to expand in their cities.
Boston Mayor Thomas Menino told the Boston Herald last week he doesn't want Chick-fil-A in his city. The company is considering opening a location there.
"Chick-fil-A doesn't belong in Boston. You can't have a business in the city of Boston that discriminates against a population," he said.
Menino also wrote to the company, urging Chick-fil-A officials to "back out of your plans to locate in Boston."
Philadelphia City Councilman James Kenney sent a letter to Cathy, telling him to "take a hike and take your intolerance with you" and vowing to introduce a resolution at the next council meeting condemning the company.
These are typical of the kind of things that get people to protest and boycott. So it's nothing that unusual but it is still pretty notable.
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Originally posted by Mere Nick:
Sometimes the best thing that can happen to you is to be busted by the liberal thought police.
My guess is that this is false, at least in this case. It seems considerably more likely that the show of support will last for a few days, while folks who hold a grudge can do so for years.
I think this is part of why corporations ought to have to reveal their political activity in general. Fictional people ought to have less say in politics than real people, and corporations are using this anonymous crap to manipulate the marketplace of ideas the same way they manipulate buying habits. It is a danger to democracy, and if they aren't even willing to be known for their intrusion into governance, they shouldn't get any say at all.
It is precisely the threat to their commerce that is the only control on their manipulations. It appears that the SCOTUS recognizes that and is on-board with the idea of requiring actions of this sort in the public square to be publicly traceable. Good on them.
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Originally posted by tclune:
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Originally posted by Mere Nick:
[qb] Sometimes the best thing that can happen to you is to be busted by the liberal thought police.
My guess is that this is false, at least in this case.
It depends on whether or not the Chic-Fil-A dude becomes a leading poster child for the liberal hypocrisy that rears its ugly head on a routine basis.
The dude has an opinion. So what? So does Ben and Jerry. The real question is whether or not you like Chic-Fil-A sandwiches and/or Ben and Jerry's ice cream.
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Originally posted by Mere Nick:
It depends on whether or not the Chic-Fil-A dude becomes a leading poster child for the liberal hypocrisy that rears its ugly head on a routine basis.
The dude has an opinion. So what?
The "so what" comes from the fact that the corporate entity he represents is funnelling money to hate groups like the Family Research Council and grifters like Exodus International. These are organizations that seek to do real harm to people. There are a lot of ways I could describe not wanting to contribute to groups doing active harm to others, but "hypocrisy" isn't a word that comes to mind.
In a sideshow of this whole circus, the Jim Henson company has decided it doesn't want to be associated with Chick-fil-A anymore (apparently there was a line of Muppet-based promotional toys). Chick-fil-A has responded by calling it a "recall" and implying that the toys are dangerous. Way to stay classy, guys!
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Originally posted by Mere Nick:
The dude has an opinion. So what? So does Ben and Jerry. The real question is whether or not you like Chic-Fil-A sandwiches and/or Ben and Jerry's ice cream.
I seriously doubt that you are that unsophisticated. I'm confident that Ben and Jerry aren't. The plain fact is that most folks define themselves through their purchases. That is the very essence of consumerism.
This may be dismaying to Christians (and perhaps a legitimate basis for boycotting any company that insists on providing anything more than a product for a price -- anyone up for an Apple boycott?), but it is central to most companies' marketing strategies -- buy an overpriced mobile phone, and we'll throw in an identity at no extra charge...
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Originally posted by tclune:
The plain fact is that most folks define themselves through their purchases.
I could see maybe two of my three daughters thinking that when they were teenagers.
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Originally posted by Mere Nick:
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Originally posted by tclune:
The plain fact is that most folks define themselves through their purchases.
I could see maybe two of my three daughters thinking that when they were teenagers.
Try chatting about cars with a BMW owner.
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What's shocking about it?
Some people used not just economic muscle but political power to try and damage a business because the CEO has the temerity to express an opinion that, outside political elites, is actually quite widely held.
Those who agree with him try to support the business. It's democracy in action, what's the biggie? It only doesn't happen in the UK because evangelicals aren't a big enough market share for anybody to care.
I like the idea of buying loads of Chick-fil-A and sharing it with people who can't afford it as a more genuinely Christian response. But still, I like it.
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It depends on whether or not the Chic-Fil-A dude becomes a leading poster child for the liberal hypocrisy that rears its ugly head on a routine basis.
Where is the hypocrisy?
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The dude has an opinion. So what? So does Ben and Jerry. The real question is whether or not you like Chic-Fil-A sandwiches and/or Ben and Jerry's ice cream.
People make all sorts of consumer choices for all sorts of reasons - not always to do with superiority of the product. That's the market economy, deal with it.
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Originally posted by Leprechaun:
Some people used not just economic muscle but political power to try and damage a business because the CEO has the temerity to express an opinion that, outside political elites, is actually quite widely held.
This is what saddens me. That such views are so widely held.
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I'm too lazy to read Leviticus, but is eating fried chicken even kosher?
Would Jesus, upstanding Jewish boy, even eat at Chick-Fil-A's?
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I don't get the hypocrisy either.
No one has told Chick-Fil-A that they don't have a right to hold a corporate opinion. No one has advocated putting the CEO in jail for saying what he said. Even those eastern mayors can't actually bar them from setting up restaurants in their cities (though they may not be on hand to cut the ribbon.) No one has advocating infringing on Chick-Fil-A's so-called "free speech" rights.
But free speech works in both directions. Gay activists, liberals, and many Christians and even conservatives have every right to critique Chick-Fil-A's position on gay rights, spend their money elsewhere and advocate that others do the same.
So how exactly is it hypocritical? The Southern Baptists boycotted Ford and Disney for many years for being too gay friendly. Does that make conservatives and Christians hypocritical too? Or does it mean that groups can organize and protest the actions of other groups in a free society?
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Some people used not just economic muscle but political power to try and damage a business because the CEO has the temerity to express an opinion that
The CEO doesn't just express an opinion. He donates millions of dollars to groups that raison d'être is to marginalize a portion of the population. He is using his political power to suppress others himself.
Substitute "African Americans" for "gays" and "KKK" for "Family Research Council" and see how it feels.
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Substitute "African Americans" for "gays" and "KKK" for "Family Research Council" and see how it feels.
Well, more like the White Citizens Councils, which used laws and the regulatory apparatus to suppress African Americans, than the Kluxers, who used terrorism.
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Point taken.
To quote from a friend:
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1. Two organizations that work very hard to roll back any protections that [gay people] may have are the Family Research Council and the Marriage & Family Foundation. For example, the Family Research council leadership has officially stated that same-gender-loving behavior should be criminalized in this country. They draw their pay, in part, from the donations of companies like Chick-Fil-A. Both groups have also done “missionary” work abroad that served to strengthen and promote criminalization of same-sex relations. Chick-Fil-A has given roughly $5M to these organizations to support their work. Chick-Fil-A’s money comes from the profits they make when you purchase their products.
2. This isn’t about mutual tolerance because there’s nothing mutual about it. If we agree to disagree on this issue, you walk away a full member of this society and I don’t. There is no “live and let live” on this issue because Dan Cathy is spending millions to very specifically NOT let me live. I’m not trying to do that to him.
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And to follow up on that second point: If the day ever comes when gay people organize and donate money to organizations that seek to invalidate Dan Cathy's marriage, criminalize what he does in the bedroom and remove job, housing and other protections because of his self identity, then let's talk about the hypocrisy. But I don't see that happening.
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Originally posted by ToujoursDan:
And to follow up on that second point: If the day ever comes when gay people organize and donate money to organizations that seek to invalidate Dan Cathy's marriage, criminalize what he does in the bedroom and remove job, housing and other protections because of his self identity, then let's talk about the hypocrisy. But I don't see that happening.
But the proper analog to working against sexual freedom for a conservative is working to take away their tax breaks...
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Originally posted by ToujoursDan:
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Originally posted by Leprechaun:
Some people used not just economic muscle but political power to try and damage a business because the CEO has the temerity to express an opinion that
The CEO doesn't just express an opinion. He donates millions of dollars to groups that raison d'être is to marginalize a portion of the population. He is using his political power to suppress others himself.
Substitute "African Americans" for "gays" and "KKK" for "Family Research Council" and see how it feels.
As you well know, many African Americans don't accept that as a like for like substitution. For
example: this one.
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The gay African Americans accept it as a like-to-like substitution though and they are in the best position to understand it (or are we supposed to pretend that gay people are all White and wouldn't understand racial sensitivities, now?)
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And even if it weren't changing, prejudice among African Americans against gays and lesbians doesn't make that prejudice acceptable.
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Good to see a firm standing up for what it believes, If only more would do so.
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Originally posted by Anglican_Brat:
I'm too lazy to read Leviticus, but is eating fried chicken even kosher?
Would Jesus, upstanding Jewish boy, even eat at Chick-Fil-A's?
Get over your laziness, start ay the begining and work your way through, but remember that as Christians we are no longer under law.
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Yet these same Christians advocate using the coercive power of the state to force others to obey their moral code and deny them equal protection under the law using commands from the very same book - Leviticus. Oh the hypocrisy!
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Good to see a firm standing up for what it believes, If only more would do so.
Almost all firms do this. It's just that for most of them "what they believe" has to do with profit margins, tax codes, pro rata billing, etc.
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Originally posted by barrea:
Good to see a firm standing up for what it believes, If only more would do so.
My guess is that the corporation is not capable of belief of any sort. But, if it is a publicly traded corporation, its shareholders are quite possibly capable of suing the sh*t out of overreaching management for spending company profits to ride managerial hobby horses.
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Originally posted by barrea:
Good to see a firm standing up for what it believes, If only more would do so.
Almost all firms do this. It's just that for most of them "what they believe" has to do with profit margins, tax codes, pro rata billing, etc.
I guess that you are right there.
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That's changing. Catch up.
That article says that more black people support gay marriage than four years ago, but doesn't document why. Learn to read sources before you post them.
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She doesn't need to document why (though the article actually says why - more exposure to gays and lesbians). She just needed to note that it was changing.
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She doesn't need to document why (though the article actually says why - more exposure to gays and lesbians). She just needed to note that it was changing.
To prove that more African Americans accept the redefinition of marriage is akin to the civil rights issue?
She doesn't adduce any evidence for people thinking that, but trots out her own opinion.
I'm quite sure many more African Americans support gay marriage than 5 or 10 years ago because larger percentage of all people do. It seems to me that many of the people who were central in the civil rights movements, particularly churches, do not accept that it is the same as the civil rights battles of the twentieth century.
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... (though the article actually says why - more exposure to gays and lesbians).
The article is all about why! Sheesh.
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Originally posted by ToujoursDan:
She doesn't need to document why (though the article actually says why - more exposure to gays and lesbians). She just needed to note that it was changing.
To prove that more African Americans accept the redefinition of marriage is akin to the civil rights issue?
Do you understand what civil rights means?
Obviously if more (heterosexual) African Americans support increasing civil rights protections for gay people WRT marriage they would see it as a civil rights issue. They would also, logically, be opposed to those groups who are actively trying to strip the gay community of civil rights protections like the Family Research Council, etc.
And as I mentioned, a significant percentage of gay people are also African American. These classifications are not mutually exclusive by any means, as you seem to keep implying.
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It seems to me that many of the people who were central in the civil rights movements, particularly churches, do not accept that it is the same as the civil rights battles of the twentieth century.
Of course not. It doesn't affect them. People often don't see things as having the same importance and gravity when it doesn't affect them. Also there is still quite a bit of ignorance and misinformation in churches about the nature of sexual orientation and identity, so that isn't surprising either. What's your point?
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Of course not. It doesn't affect them. People often don't see things as having the same importance and gravity when it doesn't affect them. Also there is still quite a bit of ignorance and misinformation in churches about the nature of sexual orientation and identity, so that isn't surprising either. What's your point?
My point is that your over-simplistic, crass and well-poisoning attempt to make the Chick-fil-A chief exec sound morally equivalent to a racist is not a comparison that a huge number of people who actually have to deal with racism would accept. Trying to bootstrap the struggle to redefine marriage to the battles of desegregation of the past is disrespectful to those people, much as it may win cheap points.
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Originally posted by ToujoursDan:
Of course not. It doesn't affect them. People often don't see things as having the same importance and gravity when it doesn't affect them. Also there is still quite a bit of ignorance and misinformation in churches about the nature of sexual orientation and identity, so that isn't surprising either. What's your point?
My point is that your over-simplistic, crass and well-poisoning attempt to make the Chick-fil-A chief exec sound morally equivalent to a racist is not a comparison that a huge number of people who actually have to deal with racism would accept. Trying to bootstrap the struggle to redefine marriage to the battles of desegregation of the past is disrespectful to those people, much as it may win cheap points.
Go back and read the thread for comprehension this time. This isn't just a debate over gay marriage. He is sending millions of dollars to organizations that not only want to invalidate gay marriage but criminalize gay people, both in the U.S. and abroad. People like me would be thrown in prison if they win. Of course it is a battle akin to desegregation.
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Originally posted by Leprechaun:
It seems to me that many of the people who were central in the civil rights movements, particularly churches, do not accept that it is the same as the civil rights battles of the twentieth century.
I'm not sure that it's possible to hold a coherent position that Loving v. Virginia is a civil rights case, but that same sex marriage isn't. Care to expand?
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The plain fact is that most folks define themselves through their purchases.
I could see maybe two of my three daughters thinking that when they were teenagers.
Try chatting about cars with a BMW owner.
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My latest vehicle purchase is a 2004 Kia Rio which set me back $2600 and change.
I am therefore pleased to be defined as a 'cheap bastard'.
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