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Thread: The Minnesota dentist who shot Cecil the Lion
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Episcoterian
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This is my first incursion in Hell. Whatever.
This.
Since I first learned of the demise of the beloved feline, all I can think of is that I wish I had some thousand dollars to spare and put a price tag on this ***hole's head. Nevermind that. I'd gladly take a crossbow and make a sieve out of the guys's hide before chopping his head off and making a trophy out of it, to gladly display in my living room.
Anyway, I believe all big game hunters should automatically become legal game. THAT would bring some real adrenaline to the sport.
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Wow. What a waste.
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What an asshole.
I note with pleasure that his Facebook and Twitter presences have been deactivated in the wake of all the e-scolding he's received.
Reminds me of Melissa Bachmann's similar exploit a couple of years ago, resulting in this brilliant tweet from Ricky Gervais.
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Just read this. "It was legal," he said. Yeah, and I suppose it would be legal to buy the Mona Lisa ( if you could) and paint a smiley over her face, but everyone would hate you for that, too.
My heart goes out to the locals. It must be like losing a beloved neighbor.
Having said that, I also read his Yelp page, and ( just a general observation) I am not sure the answer to the problem is to make some entry level Yelp code monkey's next few days a living hell by giving them thousands of posts to delete.
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What gets me is that the poor old lion was lured out of its sanctuary to be murdered. Because it wouldn't have been legal to kill it inside but once it was out, "fair game".
I really don't understand the mentality behind enjoying killing a living creature for no other reason than your own gratification. This lion wasn't a threat to anybody, and he was old. He should have been able to live out his days in peace and safety.
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It's the nadir of a "privileged" mindset-- you define your status by what you can get away with. The more people it angers or hurts, the more power you have displayed.
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I don't agree with trophy hunting. It's like porn.
Here's some from Canada.
Hunting for the table is another thing entirely, and no-one poses for photos. No-one eats lions. Or bears.
[ 28. July 2015, 20:53: Message edited by: no prophet's flag is set so... ]
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I have to say that Ricky Gervais is an arrogant dickhead most of the time, but his raising of awareness of this, and shaming of those shitpiles who insist of shooting big game for fun is fantastic.
These are beautiful and rare creatures. To kill them just for "sport" shows a disregard to all living things, for the planet, for our own humanity. I wouldn't want him anywhere near my teeth, because I want someone who considers that I might be valuable, despite being old and stupid.
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Good to be reminded that Minnesota, like anywhere else, has its complete bastards.
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What gets me is that you only get in trouble if you kill a favourite lion.
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quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:
What gets me is that you only get in trouble if you kill a favourite lion.
I share your cynicism. Countless animals are killed every year for sport, which to me represents the utmost depravity. Maybe the killing of Cecil will bring more people round to that way of thinking.
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Sometimes animals need to be killed, because we've fucked up their environment so much, that's the only way to mimic what would have happened.
Sometimes, if an animal needs to be killed, it looks like a good way to provide much needed funds for conservation and management if someone pays through the nose for the opportunity to kill it.
That's the metric in a lot of African reserves. They don't have the money to pay for the anti-poaching operations or for education programmes or for shipping excess animals out of the reserve to less populated areas, if they don't give permits to a few very rich hunters and essentially line up the animals they need culling in front of the rifle sights.
A fool and his money are soon parted, while the real work goes on under vast skies and in isolated communities. I'm not saying there isn't a better way, but at least it is a way.
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This is the purpose of shame -- to make it known to all that You Should't Do This. I hope that the fate of this dentist inspires lots of people to not go hunting for trophies.
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quote:
Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
I don't agree with trophy hunting. It's like porn.
Here's some from Canada.
Hunting for the table is another thing entirely, and no-one poses for photos. No-one eats lions. Or bears.
I ate some bear meat back around 1980. It wasn't as good as beef.
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Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
Hunting for the table is another thing entirely, and no-one poses for photos. No-one eats lions. Or bears.
Demonstrably false assertions are common enough here to be ignored altogether, but concise groups of three like this are remarkable!
[ 29. July 2015, 00:22: Message edited by: romanlion ]
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There are many First Nations in northern Canada which depend on wild meat to live. That's merely factual. It's for the table. It's not sport, it is for survival. The Yellowknives (NWT, Canada) for example have a fall hunt for 50-60 caribou.
Yes, some people do eat bear, but it's not usual to do so.
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To the west, the Porcupine caribou herd is shared with Alaska, about which there is more info than others. About 1700 of these caribou are killed for food by people each year from that herd. And they would say, as it was in the beginning, is now, and will be for ever.
There's a vast difference in subsistence hunting by traditional peoples than trophy hunting. One info link.
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lilBuddha
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Originally posted by romanlion:
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Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
Hunting for the table is another thing entirely, and no-one poses for photos. No-one eats lions. Or bears.
Demonstrably false assertions are common enough here to be ignored altogether, but concise groups of three like this are remarkable!
OK, how about we put it this way? What that pencil-dick dentist did had nothing to do with food and everything to do with ego. Killing an animal that doesn't even walk away is hardly sport. In fact, the whole needing a guide thing reduces it to little more than buying a dead animal.
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
OK, how about we put it this way? What that pencil-dick dentist did had nothing to do with food and everything to do with ego. Killing an animal that doesn't even walk away is hardly sport. In fact, the whole needing a guide thing reduces it to little more than buying a dead animal.
Exactly.
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Ad Orientem
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I have real difficulty understanding what pleasure can be derived from killing an animal just for the sake of a trophy. It's not quite right. I can understand hunting for meat, killing only as much as you can eat, but not that.
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Originally posted by Ad Orientem:
I have real difficulty understanding what pleasure can be derived from killing an animal just for the sake of a trophy. It's not quite right. I can understand hunting for meat, killing only as much as you can eat, but not that.
I understand the concept. But the reality can be very lacking. Guided hunts mean squat, even if one accepts the premise of modern hunting. It is like cheating at solitaire and bragging about winning.
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I could not bring myself to read the linked story, but each time I read through this thread I think of this movie, Secondhand Lions
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Originally posted by Doc Tor:
A fool and his money are soon parted...
But isn't this an absolutely classic example of wealth gravitating to those who don't make good use of it?
Imagine having that kind of money - $50,000, £30,000 - and the best thing you can think of to spend it on is killing something.
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Erroneous Monk
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And with all the stuff in the news right now about AI, wouldn't one use of it be to create bots that simulate the random movements of animals in the wild, seek cover, react to sound, smell, movement etc. People can then go to landscaped ranges and shoot them, if that's the only way they can feel good about themselves.
Waste of tech, obviously, but better than wasting beautiful creatures.
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You see, the thing about dentists is that they've been allowed to get out of control. Sure, when their numbers are in balance with their habitats, they are a useful part of a balanced ecology. But in the USA they've been allowed to expand out of all proportion to what the habitat can bear. They've become predatory, and there are many well-substantiated reports of dentists descending on communities and subjecting people to unneccesarily excessive dental treatment for which they charge fees way in excess of what they require for survival.
So I'm suggesting a way of bringing this menaace under control and, at the same time, allowing lions to experience the primeval thrill of the hunt. A lot of lions nowadays live in zoos or on reserves where they have lost touch with their hunting instinct. We want to help them reconnect with that. For a suitable fee, we'll bring lions to Minnesota and allow them to hunt- effectively cull- a carefully limited number of dentists in controlled conditions, thereby restoring balance both to natural habitats and to the lions' own sense of who they are. Everyone's a winner!
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Originally posted by Erroneous Monk:
And with all the stuff in the news right now about AI, wouldn't one use of it be to create bots that simulate the random movements of animals in the wild, seek cover, react to sound, smell, movement etc. People can then go to landscaped ranges and shoot them, if that's the only way they can feel good about themselves.
Waste of tech, obviously, but better than wasting beautiful creatures.
I'm not sure that would be good enough to fulfil the Gore Vidal principle here - I suspect it is not only necessary for the man to gain the victory by killing something, but also necessary for it to lose its life. I don't think that destroying a piece of technology would cut it.
I see he has now said he regrets what he did. Well, sort of. "Again, I deeply regret that my pursuit of an activity I love and practise responsibly and legally resulted in the taking of this lion." Might be connected to the suggestion that he may have to face poaching charges.
[Edited because I type too slowly and cross-posted with Albertus, whose suggestion I applaud.]
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Albertus
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Thank you
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Originally posted by Drifting Star:
I see he has now said he regrets what he did. Well, sort of. "Again, I deeply regret that my pursuit of an activity I love and practise responsibly and legally resulted in the taking of this lion."
I know. I mean, isn't life crap? You go out and responsibly and legally shoot an arrow at a lion and, whaddaya know, you end up killing it! Bummer, eh- what were the chances of that happening?
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Originally posted by Albertus:
Thank you
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Originally posted by Drifting Star:
I see he has now said he regrets what he did. Well, sort of. "Again, I deeply regret that my pursuit of an activity I love and practise responsibly and legally resulted in the taking of this lion."
I know. I mean, isn't life crap? You go out and responsibly and legally shoot an arrow at a lion and, whaddaya know, you end up killing it! Bummer, eh- what were the chances of that happening?
I think the key word in his comment is "this". He's not sorry that a lion was killed, just that it was this specific lion.
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Originally posted by Albertus:
You see, the thing about dentists is that they've been allowed to get out of control. Sure, when their numbers are in balance with their habitats, they are a useful part of a balanced ecology. But in the USA they've been allowed to expand out of all proportion to what the habitat can bear. They've become predatory, and there are many well-substantiated reports of dentists descending on communities and subjecting people to unneccesarily excessive dental treatment for which they charge fees way in excess of what they require for survival.
So I'm suggesting a way of bringing this menaace under control and, at the same time, allowing lions to experience the primeval thrill of the hunt. A lot of lions nowadays live in zoos or on reserves where they have lost touch with their hunting instinct. We want to help them reconnect with that. For a suitable fee, we'll bring lions to Minnesota and allow them to hunt- effectively cull- a carefully limited number of dentists in controlled conditions, thereby restoring balance both to natural habitats and to the lions' own sense of who they are. Everyone's a winner!
*Snort*
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Under the Idiots With Guns category, I prefer this story where the macho predator dies and the trigger happy gunman goes to jail. This happened in Florida but I noticed The Daily Mail had the full story first. (And you guys don't like them.) ![[Devil]](graemlins/devil.gif) Idiots.
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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
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Originally posted by Albertus:
Thank you
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Originally posted by Drifting Star:
I see he has now said he regrets what he did. Well, sort of. "Again, I deeply regret that my pursuit of an activity I love and practise responsibly and legally resulted in the taking of this lion."
I know. I mean, isn't life crap? You go out and responsibly and legally shoot an arrow at a lion and, whaddaya know, you end up killing it! Bummer, eh- what were the chances of that happening?
I think the key word in his comment is "this". He's not sorry that a lion was killed, just that it was this specific lion.
I read that in the paper this morning and the thing that struck me as odd was that he used the word "taking" and used it twice. Not "hunting" or "shooting" or "killing", but "taking", as if that makes it sound less offensive, as if it was a perfectly ordinary thing to do. "Sorry I took your lion."
And it took about 40 hours for the poor creature to die.
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Originally posted by Erroneous Monk:
Imagine having that kind of money - $50,000, £30,000 - and the best thing you can think of to spend it on is killing something.
It would buy a lot of beer.
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Ariel
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There's quite a bit you could do with that kind of money. Including live on it for a while when your dental practice closes down, as it now looks likely to do.
Sky news article
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I'm needing some really expensive dental work done soon, you're welcome to drag me behind a truck through his neighborhood.
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Originally posted by Pigwidgeon:
I could not bring myself to read the linked story, but each time I read through this thread I think of this movie, Secondhand Lions
Secondhand Lions is an underrated movie.
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Apparently this is only the latest in a list of 43 'hunts' boasted of by the dentist.
I can't quite see how shooting, but not killing, an animal in a protected game reserve qualifies as 'hunting' - perhaps the dentist's definition of the word is different from the rest of the world.
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Professional ruin my arse. He can move to East Bumfuck, Mississippi, where he will be a megastar hero. Of course few people in East Bumfuck can afford to go to the dentist, so he might have to settle for a less opulent dwelling.
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It occurred to me this afternoon that his killing of the lion is just another form of willy waving - "Look how masculine I am; I killed a lion."
Yeah, very good. But I notice that he took care not to get caught in the act - why use a crossbow? Because it's silent and doesn't draw attention to itself. Trouble is, it doesn't necessarily kill either. As has been said, Cecil was tracked for a further 40 hours before he was finally shot with a rifle to finish him off. I am beginning to suspect that our well-beloved dentist was rather more aware of what he was doing that he has been prepared to admit.
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Originally posted by Lamb Chopped:
quote:
Originally posted by Albertus:
You see, the thing about dentists is that they've been allowed to get out of control. Sure, when their numbers are in balance with their habitats, they are a useful part of a balanced ecology. But in the USA they've been allowed to expand out of all proportion to what the habitat can bear. They've become predatory, and there are many well-substantiated reports of dentists descending on communities and subjecting people to unneccesarily excessive dental treatment for which they charge fees way in excess of what they require for survival.
So I'm suggesting a way of bringing this menaace under control and, at the same time, allowing lions to experience the primeval thrill of the hunt. A lot of lions nowadays live in zoos or on reserves where they have lost touch with their hunting instinct. We want to help them reconnect with that. For a suitable fee, we'll bring lions to Minnesota and allow them to hunt- effectively cull- a carefully limited number of dentists in controlled conditions, thereby restoring balance both to natural habitats and to the lions' own sense of who they are. Everyone's a winner!
*Snort*
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It's not just the demise of one lion, tho. The protracted and clumsy killing of Cecil will result in the death of his 12 cubs, as the new head of the pride will kill them in order to claim the lioness. article here
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Millions of people donate their money to charities whose purpose it is to try to protect endangered wild animals, while others lure the animals away and cash in from lowlife like this who want to kill them, and the species become more endangered....
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Originally posted by Beenster:
It's not just the demise of one lion, tho. The protracted and clumsy killing of Cecil will result in the death of his 12 cubs, as the new head of the pride will kill them in order to claim the lioness. article here
That'll be another 12 x £35,000 then or £420,000.
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Originally posted by Beenster:
It's not just the demise of one lion, tho. The protracted and clumsy killing of Cecil will result in the death of his 12 cubs, as the new head of the pride will kill them in order to claim the lioness. article here
Jesus God. ![[Disappointed]](graemlins/disappointed.gif)
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Originally posted by Albertus:
Good to be reminded that Minnesota, like anywhere else, has its complete bastards.
Minnesota Not- So- Nice.
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Originally posted by Ariel:
And it took about 40 hours for the poor creature to die.
Yeah, that's the thing that gets me - he wasn't even competent enough to kill it himself. How on earth did he think it was going to make him look big and clever?
I also understand he has a conviction for illegally killing a bear and trying to cover it up by moving it into a permitted hunting area. If that's the case, why is he allowed to hunt at all?
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There is an awful lot on social media about "of you care about a lion in Africa, but not a migrant in Calais". I don't think they are exclusive - in fact, I think they are connected.
Someone who feels entitled enough to go and try to kill a lion in this way has no regard for wildlife. Like so many of the other trophy hunters, it is their own ego that they are doing this for - they feel that they have a right to shoot and kill beautiful animals for "fun".
It is the same sort of arrogance and entitlement that treats other people like cattle, that cares about them only for their own benefit. It is the same sort of attitudes that mean people work for their own benefit, against others.
It seems that, rather than learning to live more in harmony with our world, we are living less so. That, for me, is the biggest tragedy, because that is what will destroy my grandchildren.
Oh, and whoever was running the River Duff twitter account today needs a slap. They also don't get it.
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orfeo
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Originally posted by L'organist:
Apparently this is only the latest in a list of 43 'hunts' boasted of by the dentist.
Yes, but see, the first 42 didn't involve him killing an animal that people had given a cute name. He just killed regular, unimportant animals that social media hasn't heard of.
The Guardian article that's been linked to says this is the 24th animal to be a collared animal wrongfully killed. Somewhere out there are 23 other hunters grateful that they hit some uninteresting beast instead of Cecil.
My social media criticism wouldn't be "you care about a lion in Africa, but not a migrant in Calais". It would be "you care about Cecil, but not about a nameless lion in Africa".
[ 29. July 2015, 23:36: Message edited by: orfeo ]
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mousethief
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Originally posted by orfeo:
My social media criticism wouldn't be "you care about a lion in Africa, but not a migrant in Calais". It would be "you care about Cecil, but not about a nameless lion in Africa".
So what? If that's what it takes to wake people up in order to speak out, that's what it takes. If the alternative is for them just to continue not caring, then having lions with cutesy names is a great idea. Let's name more of them.
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orfeo
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We could. But interestingly the effect seems to be lost if you hand out too many names. Human beings generally have names and it doesn't prevent them from becoming faceless non-entities. It's distinctiveness that makes you worthwhile, and if every lion has a name then a named lion is no longer distinctive.
EDIT: It just struck me, while the Ship announced the name of the thread that I was posting this on, that the thread title names the lion but not the person who killed the lion. And I freely admit to not recalling his name without looking it up. He is merely "the Minnesota dentist" who did a particular thing. Hmm.
[ 30. July 2015, 02:44: Message edited by: orfeo ]
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Moderately wealthy people paying to uselessly end the lives of charismatic megafauna is fairly deplorable, though the collective prioritization of this is not without its own awkward skewed-ness in the biases of societies. The global decline in coral and pollinators is probably several orders of magnitude more dire, but good luck getting any of those wee critters named and caught up in an internet meme.
Want to know what bothered me more, animal-wise on the internet this week? This video. It's an orangutan motioning to kiss and rub the belly of a pregnant lady through the glass divider. To most people, apparently, it's adorable. To me, this is a being who 1) is capable of recognizing a person as being pregnant, 2) conceptualizes it in such a way as to have functional empathy, and 3) is kept in a box for viewing.
I mean, honestly, look at this big guy and tell me he's less of a person than Donald Trump.
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