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Oh, and the pillows? I wasn't talking about a simple body pillow, but a dakimakura like this: Anime pillow girlfriend.
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Possibly not. If they can be said to have some form of consciousness, but can't consent, it might be the same as zoophilia. Would make an interesting Turing Test though!! (cross posted with Brenda Clough.)
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This is where an interesting point arises. Because in the main we are inclined to exploit robotics on tedious, menial repetitive jobs. Things that we,d rather not be doing.
Sexual activity doesn't always fall in with that catagory, as it could be said that it's something most of us would rather be doing over and above anything else.
Whilst this subject has rightly summoned quite a bit of humour. There is something a bit dark about it, something a bit eerie I can,t quite put my finger on. I guess it does revove around the matter of robo-phobia and the cross-over point between robots as the slaves and robots as the masters.
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Whilst this subject has rightly summoned quite a bit of humour. There is something a bit dark about it, something a bit eerie I can,t quite put my finger on. I guess it does revove around the matter of robo-phobia and the cross-over point between robots as the slaves and robots as the masters.
Fear of trusting a robot with a delicate member?
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Originally posted by saysay:
I think maybe we live in different cultures.
Attempts at Title IX compliance seem to be determined to teach young women that although they should pretend to enjoy having sex the way porn stars do, they're not actually capable of consenting to it. Like, ever.
For those unfamiliar with U.S. law, Title IX is the federal law that forbids gender discrimination by educational institutions that receive federal financial aid (with certain specified exemptions, like religiously-affiliated institutions with religiously-mandated gender discrimination rules).
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Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
The other way to examine this issue is to look at all the other material, in which it has been very thoroughly explored indeed. Science fiction has been dealing with robots and the dangers and opportunities they create for years. There are some fine movies out there about sex-bots.
I was just thinking that sex bots come up in this summer's Channel 4 series, Humans. (Based on a Swedish original.)
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Brenda Clough
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I've just written a blog post (not up yet) comparing three robots-and-sex movies -- the two cited up above, plus Bicentennial Man, the Robin Williams vehicle from 1999. All three movies work with the idea of not so much sex with robots (although that does come into it) but emotional involvement with them.
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Originally posted by Boogie:
Fear of trusting a robot with a delicate member?
That could be what,s ultimately behind it Boogie. Together with being brought up on sci-fi like Doctor Who which invariably portrayed robots as the enemy or in some way a threat.
'Lost in Space' was on of the few progs I recall with a friendly robot.
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Originally posted by saysay:
Attempts at Title IX compliance seem to be determined to teach young women that although they should pretend to enjoy having sex the way porn stars do, they're not actually capable of consenting to it. Like, ever.
Oh please. This old canard has nothing going for it. Yes, there should be consent. Men have taken for "consent" things that haven't been. From this it in no wise follows that people wishing safety for women don't believe there is such thing as consent. This is a straw man made with extra straw.
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And this is some superior culture that people should assimilate themselves to? [/QB]
What is this even in response to?
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Originally posted by mousethief:
Oh please. This old canard has nothing going for it. Yes, there should be consent. Men have taken for "consent" things that haven't been. From this it in no wise follows that people wishing safety for women don't believe there is such thing as consent. This is a straw man made with extra straw.
Really?
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On cross-examination, the alleged victim conceded that she lifted up her arms so Labrie could take her shirt off and raised her hips so he could pull off her shorts. She also told the police, when they interviewed her soon after the incident, that “other than me saying no to the first part, I don’t think he would have known for a fact that I would not want to do that.”
But a discussion of changing legal definitions in a way that won't do a thing to reduce assault is likely a bit tangential on a thread about sex robots.
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I think a lot of these stories have the robots passing a certain threshold of self-awareness and then ask the question "is it still ethical to use them as sex slaves?"
Yeah, the only way to make it ethical would be to deliberately program them in a way that circumvents self awareness.
The very cynical part of me wonders if what made actual slavery hard to defeat was the sexual aspect of it-- that there was a whole class who you could use without having to ask permission or pay.
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Originally posted by saysay:
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Originally posted by mousethief:
Oh please. This old canard has nothing going for it. Yes, there should be consent. Men have taken for "consent" things that haven't been. From this it in no wise follows that people wishing safety for women don't believe there is such thing as consent. This is a straw man made with extra straw.
Really?
This is high school, not college, so Title IX has nothing to do with it. Further, SHE'S FUCKING UNDERAGE. Give me a break.
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saysay
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Originally posted by mousethief:
This is high school, not college, so Title IX has nothing to do with it.
Title IX applies to all educational environments.
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Further, SHE'S FUCKING UNDERAGE. Give me a break.
In New Hampshire (she wouldn't be everywhere).
But since she is underage in New Hampshire, why not just charge the guy with that offense? While pile the felony charges on top of it?
(Except for the fact that there's no concrete evidence sexual intercourse took place at all and piling absurd charges on people in order to force them to take plea deals is how the criminal justice system works).
I'm not OK with imposing serious criminal penalties on people for their failure to be psychic. You are.
So be it.
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mousethief
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Originally posted by saysay:
I'm not OK with imposing serious criminal penalties on people for their failure to be psychic. You are.
See you in Hell.
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Originally posted by saysay:
(Except for the fact that there's no concrete evidence sexual intercourse took place at all and piling absurd charges on people in order to force them to take plea deals is how the criminal justice system works).
Rubbish. Yes, the American legal system is extremely fucked up if you are poor and cannot afford private legal counsel. Given that this occurred at an exclusive boarding school, I do not think this the case.
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Personally I don't see how girls playing basketball or the possible ramifications of a specific statutory rape case relates to sex bots in any way, and therefore I am gonna steer away from that particular tangent. That seems like a whole seperate thread to me.
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
Personally I don't see how girls playing basketball or the possible ramifications of a specific statutory rape case relates to sex bots in any way, and therefore I am gonna steer away from that particular tangent. That seems like a whole seperate thread to me.
Yes. To me also, and I was actually just pondering the words of how to put that in a hostly way or whether to try to say it indirectly. But I need to go to bed, so I'm just going to ask that even if others do see the connection more clearly they please take it to a new thread.
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So... sexbots. I assume you wheel them into the closet when you're done? or hide them under the bed?
People into the vampire books might hang them upside down in the closets...
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Kelly Alves
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I keep referring to them being in the closet, but it occured to me that this evokes the concept of " being in the closet." Which I am sure carries all kinds of subconscious baggage about shame and secrecy. And really is tangible "objectification."
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Brenda Clough
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In the movie Ex Machina the sexbots are indeed kept in a large room lined with closets, one for each bot. For marketing and storage purposes you might need a warehouse. And everything is going to depend upon how mobile the things are; if they can't walk or climb we'll need a fork lift.
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rolyn
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
I keep referring to them being in the closet, but it occured to me that this evokes the concept of " being in the closet." Which I am sure carries all kinds of subconscious baggage about shame and secrecy. And really is tangible "objectification."
It has also occurred to me that this discussion is saying quite a bit re. heterosexual's attitude to sex. Correct me if I'm wrong but have any gay folk expressed an interest in sex-robots on this thread?
Given there was good reason before the days of over-the-counter abortion, antibiotics etc., it's beginning to dawn on some that heterosexuals have been closeted about sex for a very very long time.
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Originally posted by rolyn:
It has also occurred to me that this discussion is saying quite a bit re. heterosexual's attitude to sex. Correct me if I'm wrong but have any gay folk expressed an interest in sex-robots on this thread?
Given there was good reason before the days of over-the-counter abortion, antibiotics etc., it's beginning to dawn on some that heterosexuals have been closeted about sex for a very very long time.
I don't think this particular heterosexual problem has been much of an issue in the modern, sexually liberated West for a long time.
However, it's been said that some young straight men apparently find porn easier to deal with than a girlfriend; such men may be obvious customers for this kind of product. And with the collapse of half of marriages and the precariousness of sexual relationships in the West many straight people might feel safer and more comfortable with a machine that won't demand alimony, child support or restrict parental access, etc.
Regardless of sexuality, those who find it hard, for whatever social or physical reason to attract a mate, and those who don't want a mate at all, but would feel more comfortable and safer with a machine that makes no demands, might find this product interesting.
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Brenda Clough
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Kelly, we are going to make a fortune.
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Brenda Clough
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NSFW: An extremely similar business
[Link broken - if you really have to know, the url is http: //www.vice.com/read/we-asked-a-professional-orgasm-whisperer-how-to-properly-work-a-fuck-machine?utm_source=vicefbus (deleting the space, obviously) - Eliab, Purgatory host]
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mousethief
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Originally posted by Lamb Chopped:
So... sexbots. I assume you wheel them into the closet when you're done? or hide them under the bed?
People into the vampire books might hang them upside down in the closets...
Well it could be a convenient place to hang one towel on, anyway.
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Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
NSFW: An extremely similar business
I appreciate you marked the link NSFW, but as the link takes one directly to a picture of a sex machine, there's still the potential for not-so-comic mishaps. I've disabled the link, and those who really want to know can restore it and find out.
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Brenda Clough
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What is fascinating is that it doesn't really look like a sex machine. It looks like something for polishing floors.
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mousethief
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Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
What is fascinating is that it doesn't really look like a sex machine. It looks like something for polishing floors.
With a dildo on top. Few of the floor polishers I've seen came equipped with their own dildos. Maybe it's a pond thing.
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Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
What is fascinating is that it doesn't really look like a sex machine. It looks like something for polishing floors.
Maybe it's possible to convert it into doing both. I mean blimey, if Madame or Monseur Bot comes in at 150K then it wouldn,t be that unreasonable to expect it to do Something around the house !
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Re the symbian article: Two issues, a) not very aesthetically pleasing dildos and b) *renting* dildos - I think not. Even if I did have my own personal autoclave.
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Brenda Clough
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That's where the banner 'Sanitized For Your Protection' comes in.
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Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
NSFW: An extremely similar business
Hmm. I am not, erm, unfamiliar with that product, but reading the article is very informative.
But, strange as it looks,* it is still a vibrator. If your ultimate sex-bot is just that wrapped in pseudo-flesh, I'm not sure you have an advantage.
*And it is nowhere near the limit of strange devices
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Originally posted by rolyn:
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Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
What is fascinating is that it doesn't really look like a sex machine. It looks like something for polishing floors.
Maybe it's possible to convert it into doing both. I mean blimey, if Madame or Monseur Bot comes in at 150K then it wouldn,t be that unreasonable to expect it to do Something around the house !
Honestly? I might just trot out the autobot-- rent it, even-- just to feed me chicken soup when I had the flu.
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Originally posted by Doublethink.:
Re the symbian article: Two issues, a) not very aesthetically pleasing dildos and b) *renting* dildos - I think not. Even if I did have my own personal autoclave.
Now you got me thinking.
Are any dildoes aesthetically pleasing?
![[Ultra confused]](graemlins/confused2.gif)
I know I'm going to regret asking that.
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I know I'm going to regret asking that.
![[Devil]](graemlins/devil.gif) Depends on your personal aesthetics, of course. But when you veer away from the "realistic" ones, especially to vibrators, some don't look so bad. Like minimalist modern sculptures, really. [URL=https: //www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ]Click if you dare.[/URL]
[Link broken because I fail to see any connection between Rick Astley and a dildo. Nor do I wish to be informed of one. On the assumption that this is an attempt at some sort of 'gotcha', it is inappropriate for Purgatory.
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The local lesbian sex toy shop has some lovely solid Pyrex dildos that have swirls in them like a paperweight.
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Originally posted by Lamb Chopped:
Are any dildoes aesthetically pleasing?
Is any penis worth looking at? I think function wins over form by a very long stretch with both, don't you?
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Doublethink.
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Many dildos are not designed to look like a penis. Consider googling "buy pure wand" if you are not at work.
Or just google njoy or lelo.
(I recommended the word buy on such a search to avoid getting mostly porn hits.)
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Here's another recent article.
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the closest thing we have to a genuine sexbot is the RealDoll. A RealDoll is the most advanced sex doll in the world -- a sculpted “work of art,”... For a few thousand dollars a pop, customers can customize the doll’s hair color, skin tone, eyes, clothing and genitalia (removable, exchangeable, flaccid, hard) -- and then wait patiently for a coffin-sized box to arrive in the mail.
The article goes on to ask what if the sexbot is modelled like a child.
Is it wrong? I think there's something wrong with you if you don't think so.
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Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
Is it wrong? I think there's something wrong with you if you don't think so.
Are you arguing that RealDolls are self-evidently wrong, or that ones which look like children are?
Pretty much everybody would agree with the latter but ISTM that this is irrelevant for discussing sex robots. Otherwise you could just as well argue "child porn is wrong, so all porn is bad".
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I read it as an aside, wondering why the author was asking such a silly question.
I have to say, I had no idea RealDoll had boy versions, although I can't think why I didn't. $6000 ain't that bad.
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I read it as an aside, wondering why the author was asking such a silly question.
Ah, fair enough then. If that's the case, I totally agree it's a dumb question.
Personally, I can't see the appeal of realistic sex robots - that's not a judgement in any way, just my preferences. And for non-sexual touch I'd infinitely prefer this.
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Like I said elsewhere, the one big advantage of the doll over the dildo would be, um, practice snogging.
They do sell the head seperately, but dear God, that's ghastly. Too Reanimator.
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(Link won't work for me, but I am guessing "kitten.") ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
(Link won't work for me, but I am guessing "kitten.")
Almost. A chair full of Labrador puppies.
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Originally posted by Boogie:
Is any penis worth looking at? I think function wins over form by a very long stretch with both, don't you?
One word: zipper.
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Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
Is it wrong? I think there's something wrong with you if you don't think so.
Are you arguing that RealDolls are self-evidently wrong, or that ones which look like children are?
Pretty much everybody would agree with the latter but ISTM that this is irrelevant for discussing sex robots. Otherwise you could just as well argue "child porn is wrong, so all porn is bad".
That indeed would be a simplistic argument but I don't think that makes that aspect irrelevant. Raising the potential negative applications of new technology ISTM is always worthwhile, given how we're apt to adopt new stuff and worry about the side-effects later.
The main thing that worries me is what it does to us to treat something that deliberately looks, sounds, feels as human as possible... to treat that thing as a thing. What then happens to the way we treat other humans?
In fact we'll probably end up treating the sex-robots a bit more "kindly" than we would our toaster or TV, and pat ourselves on the back maybe, but IMO that's worse because it'll lower our standards for how we treat other people whilst giving us a false sense of altruism.
And I don't think sex is necessarily that special in this regard. It is a little bit because of the associations with love, intimacy and our identity etc. But in many ways having robots that do anything for us, that we can then treat as sub-human, because they literally aren't human, wouldn't be good for us. The big difference is that the robot that drives your car won't look human. Even the ones that will look sort of human - waiters, maids, service positions generally - will probably be more stylised versions, because why bother*?
Which is not to say ban them, but let's maybe talk about the subject a bit.
(*Although if the sex-bot industry pioneers the tech, and especially solves the uncanny valley problem, then that will I guess make it cheap enough for other industries to use it 'off-the-shelf')
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Alogon
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Originally posted by Schroedinger's cat:
accepting sex as something distinct from a relationship is damaging. By making them more engaging (i.e. less of a blow up doll), there is a danger that some people will then not develop any ability to have a relationship with a real human.
It would be a drop in the bucket. People have sex all the time who are incapable of a long-term relationship. This is nothing new? What's the "oldest profession"? It's when they, and their hapless partners, mistakenly believe that they are capable that trouble starts. Divorce, spousal abuse, on and on... long live substitutes for those who know their limitations.
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Originally posted by Lamb Chopped:
Are any dildoes aesthetically pleasing?
Is any penis worth looking at? I think function wins over form by a very long stretch with both, don't you?
Heh. Heh. "Very long stretch." Heh.
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