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Earwig
Pincered Beastie
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May God wipe away all her tears. So sorry to hear about all this. Want to post more but words are so stupid.
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Yangtze
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Have been following this and the related threads on my phone where I'm not logged in, so it's only now I can post my thoughts and prayers.
Oddly, the day before this thread I had looked at the 'where are they / missing shipmates thread' and noticed that someone had noticed they hadn't seen jlg around. And realised that, whilst I rarely post and had never interacted directly with her, I too had missed her posting.
Rest in Peace Jennifer
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Tubifex Maximus
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quote:
Originally posted by Gill H:
Just playing on the radio is Sting's 'Fragile'.
Lyrics here
You can listen to the song here
If 'Fields of Gold' was Miss Molly's soundtrack, this song is now jlg's for me. How fragile we are, indeed. Lord have mercy.
Funny enough, what's been going through my head is
Depressed beyond tablets by Half man half biscuit Should anyone misunderstand and think that this is mockery, I will say that Nigel Blackwell, who wrote this song, knows what it feels like from the inside.
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I've been following the various threads, but I didn't know Jen at all, enjoyed her posts, and simply want to offer prayer for her to rest in peace, and for the rest of us to appreciate the Ship for what it is and what it offers.
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Raptor Eye
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Please God accept our sadness and prayers for all involved
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TomOfTarsus
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May the love and grace of God heal the awful pain that feels so unhealable. Peace, jlg.
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Duo Seraphim
Ubi caritas et amor
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jlg was surely one of the Great Ovines and made more of her part as Sheep 3 in the Nativity Play than you'd believe a sheep could.
I will remember Jennifer for her dry wit and good sense. I feel very sad that the Black Dog has claimed another good soul.
May she rest in peace and rise in glory!
comet has very kindly just let me know - which is one of the many reasons this place is special
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The Messiah, Peace be upon him, said to his Apostles: 'Verily, this world is merely a bridge, so cross over it, and do not make it your abode.' (Bihar al-anwar xiv, 319)
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QLib
Bad Example
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Originally posted by Twilight:
Yesterday I read her "50 most recent posts," and there, right up until two days before, was the most good natured, encouraging, kind person anyone would ever want to know. Something surely snapped and the tragedy is that none of the gifts of fate stopped her.
Then I did some internet browsing ...
I found this, which I hope others find helpful - don't think I've seen any other links to it.
I can't trace the 50 latest posts - directory search isn't working for me - but I remember thinking she had changed in some way. I hoped it was because she was less unrestful in her new spiritual home. ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
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Bad Example
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My apologies - Drifting Star linked to it upthread, but I missed it.
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Mostly I have words, and they fail me.
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Knocked up
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Lady A
Narnian Lady
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So sad - may she walk in healing and love. I always enjoyed her posts.
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Taliesin
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I miss her very much. I posted a kid-question, and then remembered she won't be responding to it. I so valued her thoughts on child raising.
She was so clear and honest and careful and wise.
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Lyda*Rose
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May God give her rest and heal her soul.
And may God heal the bodies and spirits of those she harmed.
And may God heal the broken place in our hearts.
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I didn't know jlg or anyone connected with this awful tragedy, but have taken part in some discussion in an endeavour to understand it.
I feel now like praying for all those affected.
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Malin
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So deeply sad and tragic for all.
I've no words to pray so I just offer Jen and those injured to God, whose mercy and love are beyond my imagining.
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No words only prayers.
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Anyone wishing to explore the issues arising in dealing with unbearable pain by enrolling in a professional seminar is welcome to follow the link in my signature.
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quote:
Originally posted by Twilight:
Yesterday I read her "50 most recent posts," and there, right up until two days before, was the most good natured, encouraging, kind person anyone would ever want to know. Something surely snapped and the tragedy is that none of the gifts of fate stopped her.
I read the last posts and was struck by that as well.
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Then I did some internet browsing and found a Catholic prayer thread where someone who was friends with Mary, the woman who was shot in the face, asked for prayers for her.
I saw something similar via a google search on Free Republic (not a place I usually visit). They've certainly got my prayers, as do Jen's children and friends.
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Memory Eternal! Sheep 3, Phil the Wise Guy, and Jesus' Evil Twin in the SoF Nativity Play
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Mili
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After time to absorb it all I finally feel ready to post in All Saints to. But mostly I wish time could be turned back and this tragedy prevented.
I pray that JLG is at peace now and that her loved ones have the strength to get through this and do not fall into depression themselves. I also pray for the physical, mental and emotional recovery of the victims.
I pray that all JLG's friends here on the ship can still appreciate the good times they had with JLG online and in real life, and appreciate the help and support she gave them, even though her final actions have been so shocking and hurtful.
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Jengie jon
Semper Reformanda
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Picked this up a few days ago, but this is the first time I have had internet access without little girls reading over my shoulder. So was obviously not spending time with this thread.
Hope that she may find peace and those affected deeply by this as well.
Jengie
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Beethoven
Ship's deaf genius
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Praying that she may now be at peace.
Praying that all those suffering through this may know God's love and peace.
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toujours gai!
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Craigmaddie
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I am so sorry.
Eternal rest grant unto her, O Lord, and let perpetual light shine upon her.
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saysay
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Such sadness.
I heard the news a while ago but didn't have the chance to post.
Years ago I asked Jen if I could adopt her, as in her humor, good sense (and, yes, sometimes sadness), she reminded me so much of my own mother. At the time, I was still struggling with an onslaught of deaths (stepfather-ish, mother, grandparents, and a few others in a short period) and trying to figure out how I was going to give my brother hippy earth-mother advice about raising his kids, as he seemed to need me to step into my mother's shoes in some ways. Jen graciously allowed me to adopt her, and although it's been a while since we had any communication outside of the boards, I still looked forward to reading her posts.
I'll miss her. A lot.
Everywhere I go is the song I've been listening to.
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I'll tell you all about it when I see you again"
"'Oh sweet baby purple Jesus' - that's a direct quote from a 9 year old - shoutout to purple Jesus."
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Sioni Sais
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All I can do is offer a prayer for jlg and her family and friends, thinking especially of the Shipmates who knew her.
[ 05. January 2012, 12:39: Message edited by: Sioni Sais ]
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Otter
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As another snarky engineer (although a lot quieter than Rook!) I'll miss her.
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orfeo
Ship's Musical Counterpoint
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Just found about this after a couple of weeks off-ship. Rather stunned. I certainly remember seeing her postings around.
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Siegfried
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Just back from the holiday break and stunned to see this.
Words don't express my thoughts.
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Life is just a bowl of cherries!
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Johnny S
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Another one just back from hols and saddened to hear the news.
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RooK
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I find myself able to let go a little more easily that which I no longer have. Whatever that means.
And so, here is a bittersweet PM conversation I had with jlg back in 2009, a while after she had formally stepped down as a Host.
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RooK:
It's probably about time to free you from the temptations of the Hosts board. Would you like any modifications to your title to reflect your new status (or, whatever)?
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jlg:
Yes, it is time to go. You're on the west coast, so if you can do it late evening or early morning tomorrow (your time) I will be out of the way and will wake up knowing that my morning ritual of reading the Hosts board will be a thing of the past. It will be good for me, but I'll still miss all of you.
No need to change my title or avatar. They refer to my (still active) consternation that I find myself so enthralled by the Ship, not to mention the whole thing of Christianity. Nothing to do with having become a host except that I was offered a free custom avatar and title; and I thought a bit about who I was and why I was here and took advantage of it.
You seem to have the same fascination; why else do you continue to hang out here and put in time and care about how it all works?
Best wishes to you and the Nurse (who I assume is now actually nursing? ) and the new babe. It can be a rough time, that newly married with new babe thing. You suddenly find out who you really are.
For what it's worth, my Yenta radar (which is pretty accurate) sees the two of you as a solid and reasonably happy couple 'til death do you part.
Mazel Tov.
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RooK:
The deed is done, and I am sad. Thanks for all your sternly amused interactions. Best wishes with your newfound freedom.
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jlg:
"sternly amused interactions"
Thanks.
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Just back on the shop today. All I can say is 'oh my' and what little bits we know. Kind thoughts and prayers to all who are suffering through this.
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Thank you, RooK.
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Marshwiggle
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I don't post much but thought of jlg as a neighbor since we were probably less the 50 miles from each other. I can't imagine the pain she must have been in to take such drastic actions and I pray she is at peace now.
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Anselmina
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Haven't been able to reply to this till today. This is desperately sad and shocking news. Since joining the Ship I admired jlg as the very best example of a host and poster in her own right; and made her a kind of mentor - unbeknown to her - when I took up hosting myself. She was the host I most wanted to be like, and the one whose advice I most valued. I can't believe it.
My heart goes out to jlg's family and friends.
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I haven't been on board for a while and have only just seen this news which has shocked and saddened me greatly.
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The Silent Acolyte
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jlg's was a rare voice of wry realism. I'll miss her terribly.
May God grant her continual growth in his love and service until we all become partakers of his heavenly kingdom.
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RuthW
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I haven't known what to say. When we first got the news of Jen's death on the admins board, I was the one who went looking for the bleak comfort of an obituary and found the news reports instead. I kind of wish I hadn't, though I know sooner or later someone else would have done the same thing.
I met Jen in person when I was visiting family in Boston in the fall of 2004; she took the train down from New Hampshire and we spent the day together. We wandered around the North End of Boston, had lunch in a great little Italian hole in the wall, and guffawed over electric votive lights in some church. It was like getting together with an old friend. I've been kicking myself for not making the effort to see her the last time I was in Boston. I've had weeks to get used to the idea that I missed my last chance to see her, but it still seems like a very stupid bad joke.
jlg -- rest in peace.
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Kelly Alves
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Ruth. ![[Waterworks]](graemlins/bawling.gif)
I have been struggling with my feelings about this-- every time I read some new thing someone posts about some friendly exchange or some expression of support, I just cry. And when I read the Nativity Play and all the shenanigans the Sheep and I got up to, I cry as well. Because-- stuff happened, and I went through a bad patch, and Jen made it pretty clear to me that she didn't think I handled it well. And then all the friendly stuff just-- stopped.
And boy, did I feel it.
I went through--oh, a couple years of working on it-- a PM here, a friendly question on the boards there, little gambits of friendship, and it was like hitting a wall of ice. I just couldn't be forgiven. But I kept trying, to the point that I worried trying itself was an annoyance. It was literally something I had to consign to prayer-- the prayer went, "Lord, I'll forget everything, just please let me have my friends back."
Then, finally-- maybe a year ago-- I wrote something about my sister's dog, and she responded. Then I wrote something about some silly crow incident, and she responded with a cheery remark.
And what I should have done, right that minute, was write something like "Hey Jen, I've been worried I've been on your shit list for a while, and it's nice to chat with you again.I missed you" but I couldn't. I kept waiting to figure out what the right words would be.
That's all. No advice needed, I know what I need to do-- let go and let God. But it easier to let go if you know you're not alone.
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Loquacious beachcomber
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I can't help you feel any better about this, Kelly; I can tell you that, as a minister who has moved away from a church where I was close to a great many people, I have some empathy for what you are saying.
There is often a measure of strain in discerning that it is time to seek a new call; when it happens, that strain intensifies, as not a few folks let you know that they feel abandoned.
Yet, as clergy, part of the task is that we are expected to cut ties and set boundaries so that the church can move on, into a time of interim, and then new ministry.
So we make that effort.
But then a young woman, who was a teenager in confirmation class and a cutup at her sister's wedding, dies suddenly and tragically, and her family sits through a funeral conducted by fill-in clergy they have never met; that nice, classy old gentleman who always enjoyed a visit passes away; a family with whom you spent a great deal of time during a bereavement asks if they can come to your new church as a family to mark the one-year anniversary of the event.
And you (or at least I) wonder, could I have done things somehow differently, somehow better, somehow said or done something that would have made a greater difference?
And there is no answer.
As a teacher, Kelly, you surely must have seen children move to the next level and occasionally run into difficulties, and then wish that you could reach out and change things.
You can't, though, and you realize that.
Peace by with you, Kelly; treasure what was good, remember, and give a measure of thanks through the tears.
That is about all any of us can ever do when people move on, regardless of how or why or how much it hurts.
As far as I know.
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luvanddaisies
the'fun'in'fundie'™
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shocked and sad.
jlg and all struggling to make sense or come to terms
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Having become a less frequent treader of this ship's boards I only just discover this.
Dreadfully sad, the whole thing.
Praying for a lasting peace for Jen and for full recovery for those hurt.
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...for all those affected.
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