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Steve Langton
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by Doc Tor;
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It's not fit for purpose - that purpose being living in a modern secular state
Will come back on more recent posts tonight - I hope. Meanwhile I missed something while posting late last night/early this morning....
Anabaptism is not about the purpose of "living in a modern secular state". Like other Christians, our purpose is to live in God's gigantic universe, not your narrow secular state. In God's universe, it is the secularists who are not 'fit for purpose'.
Having said that, among religious views in general, any religion which accepts the view that its job is peaceable persuasion is a better fit in the secular state than a religion which believes in conversion at swordpoint and imposing a religious state. Yes??
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Doc Tor
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Originally posted by Steve Langton:
by Doc Tor;
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It's not fit for purpose - that purpose being living in a modern secular state
Will come back on more recent posts tonight - I hope. Meanwhile I missed something while posting late last night/early this morning....
Anabaptism is not about the purpose of "living in a modern secular state". Like other Christians, our purpose is to live in God's gigantic universe, not your narrow secular state. In God's universe, it is the secularists who are not 'fit for purpose'.
Having said that, among religious views in general, any religion which accepts the view that its job is peaceable persuasion is a better fit in the secular state than a religion which believes in conversion at swordpoint and imposing a religious state. Yes??
You don't live in God's gigantic universe. You live in Stockport. Unless your theology permits you to fully engage with your neighbours and your community - and yes, that involves getting your hands dirty and helping to run it - then it's not fit for purpose.
Your Muslim neighbours get this in a way that you simply don't/can't. Their orthopraxis is vastly superior to yours.
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Freddy
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Originally posted by Doc Tor:
Their orthopraxis is vastly superior to yours.
Others have observed the same thing. Isn't it amazing?
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quetzalcoatl
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I'm not sure about orthopraxis but my Muslim neighbours, local shopkeepers, and friends, seem to live quite peacefully, (well, OK, this is orthopraxis), and don't seem about to wield Kalashnikovs in my direction. Should I earnestly ask them to renounce Islam, as it has a dark violent past? I don't think I am going to do that.
(Of course, we have a Muslim mayor - danger!).
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mousethief
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To be sure the Turks fucked up a good thing. But you might as well blame the excesses of the Franks on the Romans. Sure they were both Christians. But the Franks didn't sack Rome because they were Christians.
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Eutychus
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Originally posted by quetzalcoatl:
I'm not sure about orthopraxis but my Muslim neighbours, local shopkeepers, and friends, seem to live quite peacefully, (well, OK, this is orthopraxis), and don't seem about to wield Kalashnikovs in my direction. Should I earnestly ask them to renounce Islam, as it has a dark violent past? I don't think I am going to do that.
(Of course, we have a Muslim mayor - danger!).
I think the takeaway from this post is something I've been thinking for quite a while now (like about 10 pages...) which is that debating the origins of Islamic extremism is a futile exercise when it comes to considering the best way of engaging with Islam today.
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quetzalcoatl
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Well, the best way of engaging with Muslims. There is no such thing as Islam.
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Eutychus
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You're right of course, I was trying to do some unsuccessful wordplay.
By the way, I notice Steve Langton has earned himself a couple of weeks' shore leave, so don't expect any comeback from him for a while.
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