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simontoad
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lol. Nice work crikey.

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orfeo

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Amusingly, the comments on the video have been disabled sometime today.

In typical ACL fashion they were unable to cope with the loud chorus of "your argument doesn't make the slightest sense" that was emerging in those comments (including from me).

Never mind. The Education Minister telling them it was nonsense is probably sufficient.

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simontoad
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Nice speech on the Irish experience of the Marriage Equality vote from some Irish guy at the National Press Club today.

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Dark Knight

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This whole pile of shit has been particularly damaging for the transgender community, as this piece argues.
As someone personally who thinks the institution of marriage itself is of dubious merit, part of me would like to see the LGBTIQ community reject it in an attempt to transcend it, rather than embrace it. That being said, as a cisgender straight person who can marry if I want, I speak from a position of privilege on this. It seems that marriage equality has become a symbol of equality and rights, bigger than the institution itself.

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simontoad
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Oh! The change in how marriage is viewed by people on the progressive side of things since the 1980's is stark! People who got married were viewed as irredeemably conservative or shockingly working class.

Still, I understand the cogent equality argument. It's about the right to be respected. Also, as Magda Subanzski reminded me through the medium of television the rights of same-sex partners when it comes to decisions around the end of life are severely curtailed. Imagine going to the funeral of your partner of 20 years and not being allowed to be involved in the planning, or participate in the service! Now that sort of stuff could be identified and changed across our eight (is it?) jurisdictions, but it doesn't get you past the basic cry for equal treatment.

But I'm preaching to the choir I expect. Suffice it to say that with the Court allowing this thing to proceed, I'm now answering the phone, "Say yes to same-sex marriage". It's been my wife both times so far, but I'm trying not to look at the caller ID.

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Mili

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Who knew you could make such a catchy, inspiring song about a crappy plebiscite, damning the plebiscite but encouraging yes votes. Not hellish unless you count swearing or insults to political leaders:
Dear Malcolm by Josh Belperio

[ 11. September 2017, 10:26: Message edited by: Mili ]

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Vulpior

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I dropped in with the expectation of lurking, but the sentiments expressed have cheered me so much that I was led to post. Not very hellish, but there you are.

At the football on Saturday an old bloke took hold of the rainbow end of my Rainbow Swans scarf, and said, "Good on you." I melted.

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anoesis
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Just wanted to say to Israel Folau - despite the unlikelihood of his reading this - you have said you love and respect all people for who they are, and you know, I might be prepared to give you the benefit of the doubt on that. But I want to ask you, are you comfy in that bed you made for yourself, there, with a whole load of people who do not love and respect all people for who they are?

Are you ok with standing alongside them, being on their team? Are you going to show your love and respect for all people by calling them out on their lack of the aforementioned qualities?

You're allowed to vote any way you want, Israel, but it isn't sufficient to state you love and respect all people for who they are. You need to show it. I've read it. I'll remember it. I'll believe it when I see it.

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Gee D
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A good article in today's Guardian with Fr Andrew Sempell (St James King St) making it clear that the Australian Christian Lobby is not representative of the churches, nor is it religious.

Also good to read the Catholic Bishop of Parramatta saying that what's being discussed is the secular definition of marriage - and also saying that just as divorce legislation did not change the church's approach, neither does this proposed change. He's also quoted as saying that the issue for many people is not straightforward; we need to listen to what the Spirit is saying to us through the signs of our times. I read that as saying it's perfectly ok to vote yes.

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Left at the Altar

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Well, I think it's ridiculous that the people we elect don't just pass the inevitable laws.

Having said that, I have had enormous satisfaction and joy in crossing the Yes box, enveloping the bit of paper and walking to the post box to send it back.

Stick that, Abbot. Stick it twice, Howard.

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Gee D
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A big welcome back LATA.

We have no papers yet, looking forward to it though.

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Patdys
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Still waiting for mine.
Bloody harmful waste of money.

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anoesis
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This is fucking ridiculous. I really can't think of any other way to describe it. The institution of marriage is now apparently under such threat of pollution from teh gayz that we can't even countenance heterosexual marriage, if said heterosexuals are sympathetic toward teh gayz. I. don't. even. get. it. It also skates very close to refusing service to someone on the basis of how they vote, which is, in my view, just a generally non-classy thing to do, in any situation, anywhere, anytime.

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Huia
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Did you note the "All Welcome" words on their noticeboard? [Mad] Bloody liars.

Huia

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anoesis
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I hadn't noticed - but, yeah. Generally non-classy.

I was married by a priest, in a church. I wonder if they'd like to retroactively rescind the thing, given my unacceptable opinions (shared, I might add, by my real, actual, proper, husband).

My mother, on the other hand, was married by a civil registrar in the Holloway Road Register Office, being a lapsed Catholic at the time, and marrying an atheist (after having lived in a de facto relationship with him for a number of months) - not a sacrament in sight. Following their later conversion to Bible-thumping-ism, shortly before my birth, interestingly, no-one questioned the validity of their marriage.

I have never been able to make head nor tail of the church's position here, but I think the failure to adequately distinguish between marriage as a civil contract and marriage as a sacrament is contributing significantly to the panties-bunching that's going on at the moment.

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