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Karl: Liberal Backslider
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5075641/Let-little-boys-wear-tiaras-says-Church-England.html

(Sorry for the Heil link, but it carries the response from so-called "Christian Concern")

Basically, CofE says "bullying people because of their sexual or gender identity is bad, OK?"

Christian Concern think people are being bullied if they can't carry on bullying people.

Fuckers. they can fuck off to the far side of fuck. I am so fed up with twats like these who think they're defending God by being arseholes.

I've read the actual CofE guidance. If you have a problem with it, you're an unpleasant little fuckwit.

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Ian Climacus

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Christian Concern sounds like neither word applies.

We have a similar group in the Australian Christian Lobby. Always claiming persecution. And claiming to speak on behalf of God, but instead making Christians look like judgmental morons.

Back to your group, are they very large? Or just a vocal minority?

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Karl: Liberal Backslider
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Last I knew they claimed 80,000 supporters

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More disturbing is that Mrs Minchiello Williams was re-elected as one of the Diocese of Chichester's 2 lay members of General Synod.

Frankly, if there is genuine concern in the diocese about christian attitudes and mores, then Martin Warner should issue a statement distancing the diocese from anything issuing from the mouth of this unpleasant, bigoted woman.

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I think “claimed” is the operative word. AFAICT Christian Concern consists of one bloke with a typewriter. There may also be a dog.

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They are also closely allied (have the same staff) to the Christian Legal Centre which, AFAIK, have never won a case and have squandered (hopefully) millions of their 'supporters' cash on ineffective and ill-advised discrimination suits.

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quote:
Originally posted by Doc Tor:
They are also closely allied (have the same staff) to the Christian Legal Centre which, AFAIK, have never won a case and have squandered (hopefully) millions of their 'supporters' cash on ineffective and ill-advised discrimination suits.

From what I have read Christian Concern is a political organisation, hence not a charity. The CLC is there to get in the papers which it does well. I don't think it really tries to win cases.

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Ah, but it is.

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Originally posted by Doc Tor:
Ah, but it is.

Here's the "about" page of Christian Concern. It has the same address, 70 Wimpole Street, but has the title CCFCON Ltd.

Looks like a network of closely allied bodies.

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quote:
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
quote:
Originally posted by Doc Tor:
Ah, but it is.

Here's the "about" page of Christian Concern. It has the same address, 70 Wimpole Street, but has the title CCFCON Ltd.

Looks like a network of closely allied bodies.

You astound me.

My impression is they are unto the likes of Stephen Green's Christian Voice as UKIP are unto Britain First.

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quote:
Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:

My impression is they are unto the likes of Stephen Green's Christian Voice as UKIP are unto Britain First.

Ah, Stephen Green. Another twat claiming to be the voice of Christians who wouldn't know Jesus Christ if He came round for dinner (which, ironically, He probably would do as He had a habit of eating with just about everyone - but most especially those people that the likes of so-called Christian Concern and so-called Christian Voice want nothing to do with).

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There was a representative from Christian Concern talking about this on radio 2 today.

I’ve never heard such sweet, sickly passive aggression.

Horrible.

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Re: Christian Concern

One of its 3 trustees is Celia Akyaa Apeagyei-Collins: she is also a Vice-President for TEARFUND, a director at CiC and on the steering committee of the National Church Leaders' Forum. I don't think any of these could be described as "fringe".

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Re: Christian Concern

One of its 3 trustees is Celia Akyaa Apeagyei-Collins: she is also a Vice-President for TEARFUND, a director at CiC and on the steering committee of the National Church Leaders' Forum. I don't think any of these could be described as "fringe".

Back in the bad old days of the 1980s the Labour Party suffered greatly form "Entryism". It looks like generally respectable Christian organisations do too.

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Andrea Minichiello-Williams said "the anti-bullies are becoming the bullies." Which I think demonstrates that she doesn't really understand what bullying is.

I would dearly, dearly love CC to fuck off to the far side of fuck, and then fuck off a bit more, but in the interim, a friend and I are pondering setting up "Christians Not That Bothered Actually". Hallmarks to be an absence of persecution complex, a total disinterest in what consenting adults do in the bedroom, a keen approval of letting kids play (which is largely what the CofE guidance is about, ISTM) and other stuff as we think of it. All meetings to be held in the pub, natch.

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quote:
Originally posted by Jemima the 9th:
Andrea Minichiello-Williams said "the anti-bullies are becoming the bullies."

The 1976 cult classic film Massacre at Central High treats exactly that subject.

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quote:
Originally posted by Jemima the 9th:
a friend and I are pondering setting up "Christians Not That Bothered Actually". Hallmarks to be an absence of persecution complex, a total disinterest in what consenting adults do in the bedroom, a keen approval of letting kids play (which is largely what the CofE guidance is about, ISTM) and other stuff as we think of it. All meetings to be held in the pub, natch.

Sounds great. I don't consider myself, or anyone I know, persecuted. I don't care at all what consenting adults do in the privacy of their own bedrooms (excluding those times when some public figure starts spouting off about the evil things people do in the privacy of their own bedrooms only to find they're doing the same - in which case it's not what they do in their bedrooms but the hypocrisy of what they say in public that I'm concerned about). Meeting in the pub sounds perfect.

My only problem is that I am a Christian, and I am Concerned about a lot of things. I'm concerned about rising bigotry in society and the church - racism, sexism, homophobia, xenophobia ... I'm a Christian concerned that there's an organisation calling itself "Christian Concern" that is promoting the sort of attitudes that I'm convinced that Jesus would disapprove of.

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And that they have links to the mainstream. Their spokesperson, who appears to do all their talking, is on the General Synod, if I understand correctly.

I wish they'd stop whining about how heretical and apostate the Church is and just fuck off out of it, if it's so terrible. But no, they're determined to stay and save us. Because it's so obvious they're right and we're just compromising with the world, and listening to false prophets saying what our itching ears want to hear, and that eventually we'll see that if they keep on haranguing us. Either that, or they just want the legitimacy that comes with being part of the CofE. Or perhaps they think the CofE should be theirs and we should go. I don't know.

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quote:
Originally posted by Jemima the 9th:
Andrea Minichiello-Williams said "the anti-bullies are becoming the bullies." Which I think demonstrates that she doesn't really understand what bullying is.

I would dearly, dearly love CC to fuck off to the far side of fuck, and then fuck off a bit more, but in the interim, a friend and I are pondering setting up "Christians Not That Bothered Actually". Hallmarks to be an absence of persecution complex, a total disinterest in what consenting adults do in the bedroom, a keen approval of letting kids play (which is largely what the CofE guidance is about, ISTM) and other stuff as we think of it. All meetings to be held in the pub, natch.

Sign me up. I'll even pay dues.

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Originally posted by la vie en rouge:
I think “claimed” is the operative word. AFAICT Christian Concern consists of one bloke with a typewriter. There may also be a dog.

And the poor dog keeps trying to drag the guy out into the fresh air, to clear his brain.

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quote:
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
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Originally posted by Doc Tor:
They are also closely allied (have the same staff) to the Christian Legal Centre which, AFAIK, have never won a case and have squandered (hopefully) millions of their 'supporters' cash on ineffective and ill-advised discrimination suits.

From what I have read Christian Concern is a political organisation, hence not a charity. The CLC is there to get in the papers which it does well. I don't think it really tries to win cases.
Are these folks related to the Phelpses? Sounds like Westboro Church, on a larger scale.

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Dunno about any Phelps connection, but Andrea Minichiello-Williams is alleged by the Inependent* to have said that diver Tom Daly is gay because his father died when he was young.

Anyone got any cheese to go with the fruitcake?

* Independent link.

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...where we read that she supports gay sex being illegal.

You know, I thought at first I was being unfair, but I reckon this woman and her foetid organisation actually do want anyone who isn't their ideal straight, cis, norm, to suffer. Hateful bunch of bellends.

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Originally posted by la vie en rouge:
I think “claimed” is the operative word. AFAICT Christian Concern consists of one bloke with a typewriter. There may also be a dog.

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Nope, that's Christian Voice aka Stephen Green.

Christian Concern (aka Christian Concern For Our Nation) are an actual organisation with multiple folk working for them, and a network of supporters. Some of what they do is actually OK, but a lot is, erm, not in line with my understanding of the gospel.

It should also be pointed out that Andrea [Minichello-]Williams is, technically, from the Chrisitan Legal Centre, although CLC and CCFON are extremely closely linked (share premises, essentially share IT infrastructure and some staff etc.).

None of which should detract from the fact that, as far as I can see, she's totally hatstand and wrong.

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Originally posted by Doc Tor:
Ah, but it is.

Here's the "about" page of Christian Concern. It has the same address, 70 Wimpole Street, but has the title CCFCON Ltd.

Looks like a network of closely allied bodies.

Christian Concern is just shorthand for CCFON, in the same way that one has a trading name/or everyone knows Marks & Spencer as M&S.

Christian Legal Centre (CLC) is separate but very closely related.

Christian Voice is not directly related, but Stephen Green is definitely a fellow traveller.

I know this because some years ago I ended up doing a bit of work for them, which was what one might refer to as "an extremely interesting experience" and then change the subject, twitching wildly, and reaching for the spirits and speed dialling the therapist.

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Originally posted by Doc Tor:
They are also closely allied (have the same staff) to the Christian Legal Centre which, AFAIK, have never won a case and have squandered (hopefully) millions of their 'supporters' cash on ineffective and ill-advised discrimination suits.

They got someone an apology, that counts as winning surely?!

Their main defence in employment tribunals seems to be pretending the case is being bought because the defendant is a Christian. Rather than the case being about abuse of authority, rule breaking, breaches of equality legislation etc.

Creating a narrative that Christians are being persecuted and that CLC need more of your money to defend them.

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I wish they were that cynical. Genuinely.

Having sat in a room with Andrea and A N Other chap, she is most definitely 100% a True Believer in what she's saying. It got so positively awkward that I had to point out she really shouldn't assume that I was on the same page. Or even in the same library.

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Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
And that they have links to the mainstream. Their spokesperson, who appears to do all their talking, is on the General Synod, if I understand correctly.

I wish they'd stop whining about how heretical and apostate the Church is and just fuck off out of it, if it's so terrible. But no, they're determined to stay and save us. Because it's so obvious they're right and we're just compromising with the world, and listening to false prophets saying what our itching ears want to hear, and that eventually we'll see that if they keep on haranguing us. Either that, or they just want the legitimacy that comes with being part of the CofE. Or perhaps they think the CofE should be theirs and we should go. I don't know.

Oh really? Where on earth did those lunatics get it that you and other progressive christians are "compromising with the world" when it´s so clear that your agenda is nothing more then to do the will of God? Where on earth did they get that you are listening to false prophets when all you do is believe the holy gospel as preached by the apostles and registered in the holy scriptures? Why on earth do they think your prophets are only sayng what your itching ears want to hear, when they courageously confronting the agendas of the world with the teaching of Christ and the Scriptures? Why on earth do they think it´s legitimate for them to remain in the Church and expect you to leave?

How can they be so insensible to Jesus and not be like us progressives who are all about Him? Isn´t it quite clear that it´s Jesus will thay boys dress like girls and be prepared to have their bodies mutilated because they were born with the wrong biological sex? Isn´t that what humanity always believed and the great religions always taught? Wasn´t Jesus all about trangenderism, polyamory and same sex marriage, like his religious tradition and the books he claimed to be God´s word say? Oh those crazy lunatics and their ideologies. Where the hell to they get this strange idea that you are going astray?

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My "agenda", Gorpo, is not to be an arsehole to people. To accept their own experience of being themselves.

Yours, and your fellow travellers', is apparently to insist they don't know the first thing about themselves and that they should accept your interpretation of a centuries old text set in a completely different culture, no matter how miserable that makes them.

And of course to openly display your hatred of wicked progressives who want to see people freed from your attempts to control their bodies and lives by denying them their rights.

Isn't there some wicked poofter queen tranny you can go and hate? Rather than pissing your bile here as usual.

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To any claim by so-called Christian Concern that we're listening to false prophets saying what we want to hear, we can ask whether the prophets they listen to confirm their prejudices or whether they challenge their discipleship. Are they only listening to those who say what they want to hear?

To any claim by so-called Christian Concern that we've been compromised by the world, we can ask how much their "plain reading" of Scripture is a reflection of the modernism of recent centuries. Would the more organic and less precise understanding of the early church survive their definition of the "only, correct way to understand Scripture"?

In other words, so-called Christian Concern are as worldly, compromised, prone to listen to prophets who say what they want to hear as the rest of us. Quite possible more so.

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Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
To any claim by so-called Christian Concern that we're listening to false prophets saying what we want to hear, we can ask whether the prophets they listen to confirm their prejudices or whether they challenge their discipleship. . . . In other words, so-called Christian Concern are as . . . prone to listen to prophets who say what they want to hear as the rest of us.

As someone once said: You know you've made God in your own image when he ends up hating the same people you do.

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I wish they were that cynical. Genuinely.

Having sat in a room with Andrea and A N Other chap, she is most definitely 100% a True Believer in what she's saying. It got so positively awkward that I had to point out she really shouldn't assume that I was on the same page. Or even in the same library.

Once you can fake sincerity you can persuade people of almost anything.

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Isn´t it quite clear that it´s Jesus will thay boys dress like girls

Yes it is. Unless my parish priest is getting it totally wrong every Sunday.

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To any claim by so-called Christian Concern that we're listening to false prophets saying what we want to hear, we can ask whether the prophets they listen to confirm their prejudices or whether they challenge their discipleship. . . . In other words, so-called Christian Concern are as . . . prone to listen to prophets who say what they want to hear as the rest of us.

As someone once said: You know you've made God in your own image when he ends up hating the same people you do.
This is so true. Which is why the neighbour test is very important. ie: If a person in this group was my neighbour would x and y count as loving them? As God would love them. As I am called to love myself.

Any answer that involves burning crosses on their front lawn or similar counts as a fail. Unless your God is seriously weird ...

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Karl: Liberal Backslider
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Problem is that they tend to say that gay people are going to Hell if they don't repent so the most loving thing is to make them aware of that so that they can change. Been there, long ago...

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Gnat straining, camel swallowers.

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quote:
Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
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Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:

My impression is they are unto the likes of Stephen Green's Christian Voice as UKIP are unto Britain First.

Ah, Stephen Green. Another twat claiming to be the voice of Christians who wouldn't know Jesus Christ if He came round for dinner (which, ironically, He probably would do as He had a habit of eating with just about everyone - but most especially those people that the likes of so-called Christian Concern and so-called Christian Voice want nothing to do with).
While CC were busy choking on camels?
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Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:


I wish they'd stop whining about how heretical and apostate the Church is and just fuck off out of it, if it's so terrible. But no, they're determined to stay and save us. Because it's so obvious they're right and we're just compromising with the world, and listening to false prophets saying what our itching ears want to hear, and that eventually we'll see that if they keep on haranguing us. Either that, or they just want the legitimacy that comes with being part of the CofE. Or perhaps they think the CofE should be theirs and we should go. I don't know.

To be honest, I wonder why they're there too. State churches don't have much truck with single-minded purity, so CC and their ilk are destined to be unhappy if they remain. But the rest of you won't drive them out, will you? You want to be the church for 'everyone', which is a total impossibility.

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Isn't there some wicked poofter queen tranny you can go and hate? Rather than pissing your bile here as usual.

Surely it's better to be arguing here than upsetting folks in the real world.

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{Possibly TMI/offensive.}

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Originally posted by gorpo:
Isn´t it quite clear that it´s Jesus will thay boys dress like girls

Yes it is. Unless my parish priest is getting it totally wrong every Sunday.
...which reminds me of the song "Take A Leap, John Paul", a song that lesbian singer-songwriter Judy Fjell was asked to write when Pope JP II was coming to San Francisco on a visit. She said she thought, "Hmmm...the pope...coming to SF...in a dress".
[Biased]

(That's just the lyrics. There may be an audio online, somewhere. Nice tune.)

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Re: Christian Concern

One of its 3 trustees is Celia Akyaa Apeagyei-Collins: she is also a Vice-President for TEARFUND, a director at CiC and on the steering committee of the National Church Leaders' Forum. I don't think any of these could be described as "fringe".

Director at OM too.
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Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
Isn't there some wicked poofter queen tranny you can go and hate? Rather than pissing your bile here as usual.

Have pity on this poor person. At least the bile is diluted in here. We only have to take a small percentage each.

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Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
Last I knew they claimed 80,000 supporters

Are 79,963 of them angels? And 34 household pets?

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Their website claims a mailing list of 43,000. I wonder what proportion of those who get their mailing immediately consign it to the trash bin.

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Well I have just been reading their website and feel very reassured. What a paradise we live in, where the only things that could concern Christians are abortion, the gays, transexuality, sex education and Islam, and nothing else is happening that could possibly concern a Christian at all.

And I must congratulate the satirist who, after many articles worrying about the erosion of freedom of speech, then inserted a hagiography of Viktor Orbán ...

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She really is someone who shouldn't be let out in public without minders, isn't she? [brick wall]

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