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Thread: Teufelchen
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Palimpsest
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Originally posted by Ad Orientem:
What? Because I think it is a good thing to pray for their conversion? If you think this is a bad thing then I say this is a betrayal of the gospel. This is essentially what it boils down to. I haven't and never will condone violence against anyone but it's not the fault of the prayers. If we as a result a abandon our prayers and believe that they need not convert then we have betrayed our faith.
To quote you from the Purgatory Thread;
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Originally posted by Ad Orientem:
I don't accept that argument and never will. How about we don't poke our noses in each others prayers?
Your prayers are that the prayers of others change to be your prayers. And you ignore that your prayers have a history of being associated with violence. "Well, we don't do that much anymore" is hardly an excuse for the blood.
How about you not poke your nose in other peoples prayers?
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Dave W.
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Originally posted by Firenze:
It's not that often you get people calling themselves 'motherfucker'.
That's not right, is it? AO said he fucked Teufelchen's mum, not his own. I mean, I always assumed...
Oh dear. Have I really been misinterpreting that insult for the last, oh, let's say, thirty-five years?
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Firenze
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Let's just say it suits him (while doubting he's ever had sexual congress with anything other than the odd sock).
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Alan Cresswell
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My deepest sympathy to the sock.
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ChastMastr
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Originally posted by Ad Orientem:
I'm not sure that God listens to non-Christian prayers. Certainly not of pagans. The example that was given was that of scientologists, and I certainly don't believe that God listens to their prayers. They're a weird cult.
Okay, what about the rest of them?
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Um... just wondering... in your belief, whose prayers do have any value? Do those of (non-Christian) Jews? Muslims? Protestants? Roman Catholics?
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Ad Orientem
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Originally posted by ChastMastr:
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Originally posted by Ad Orientem:
I'm not sure that God listens to non-Christian prayers. Certainly not of pagans. The example that was given was that of scientologists, and I certainly don't believe that God listens to their prayers. They're a weird cult.
Okay, what about the rest of them?
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Um... just wondering... in your belief, whose prayers do have any value? Do those of (non-Christian) Jews? Muslims? Protestants? Roman Catholics?
I don't know. Obviously I'm willing to give more leeway to those who believe in the triune God.
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orfeo
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Very noble of you. Of course, what actually matters is how God responds, not how you respond.
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mousethief
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Originally posted by mdijon:
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Originally posted by Ad Orientem:
Fuck off you cunt. You don't get to make such accusations. Oh yeah, and I fucked your mum.
Whereas you couldn't possibly call this a betrayal of one's faith.
Go ye unto all nations and insult them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, calling them by lewd names, yea, and saying unto them that ye went in unto their mothers. For such is the Kingdom of God.
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ChastMastr
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Originally posted by Ad Orientem:
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Originally posted by ChastMastr:
Um... just wondering... in your belief, whose prayers do have any value? Do those of (non-Christian) Jews? Muslims? Protestants? Roman Catholics?
I don't know. Obviously I'm willing to give more leeway to those who believe in the triune God.
Actually, I'm sorry, but it's not obvious to me after some of your posts I've been reading. ![[Frown]](frown.gif) And if I am reading your response incorrectly, I apologize, but are you in genuine doubt about the value of prayers by Roman Catholics or Protestants?
A second but not identical question--do you see the prayers of Roman Catholics and/or Protestants as less valuable than those of Eastern Orthodox?
And a third, do the prayers of different kinds of Orthodox have different levels of value, simply by being by Greek or Russian or other?
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Originally posted by mousethief:
Go ye unto all nations and insult them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, calling them by lewd names, yea, and saying unto them that ye went in unto their mothers. For such is the Kingdom of God.
That's some funny shit right there.
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Ricardus
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I am wondering what Ad Orientem hopes to achieve here. It should be obvious that neither 'because we've always done it', nor 'bollocks I fucked your mum', nor 'your brand of Christianity deserves to die' are going to persuade undecided doubters of the licitness of praying for the conversion of the Jews.
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mdijon
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Originally posted by Ad Orientem:
I just have a problem with Western, in particular American, hypocrisy
But clearly no problem with whatever flavour of hypocrisy it is that combines foul-mouthed insults with defending authentic faith in Christ.
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Martin60
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Ad Orientem. How are you feeling mate?
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Jack o' the Green
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Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
My deepest sympathy to the sock.
Apparently it goes by the name of 'Ole Crusty'. Or 'Trusty Crusty'. I forget.
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Martin60
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t.
All YOU've got to do, regardless, is unconditionally apologize for the last sentence of this:
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Originally posted by Teufelchen:
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Originally posted by Gwai:
I still think modern Christianity is generally supportive and friendly toward Jews. However I've never met anyone like Ad Orientem in my daily life, and I don't think his attitudes are particularly typical.
I'd like to think you're right. But I'm also concerned that our preoccupation with appearing to have a rational, civilised debate gives the appearance that we at least tolerate vile antisemitic ethnonationalists like Ad Orientem.
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Palimpsest
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Martin: Is the apology necessary because you don't believe A.O. is a vile anti-Semitic nationalist or because being an anti-Semitic nationalist is just fine with you?
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Martin60
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Palimpsest. Have you stopped beating your wife?
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Teufelchen
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Originally posted by Martin60:
All YOU've got to do, regardless, is unconditionally apologize for the last sentence of this:
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Originally posted by Teufelchen:
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Originally posted by Gwai:
I still think modern Christianity is generally supportive and friendly toward Jews. However I've never met anyone like Ad Orientem in my daily life, and I don't think his attitudes are particularly typical.
I'd like to think you're right. But I'm also concerned that our preoccupation with appearing to have a rational, civilised debate gives the appearance that we at least tolerate vile antisemitic ethnonationalists like Ad Orientem.
To whom should I apologise for the suggestion that tolerating fascists is at best unnecessary?
Because whoever it is is going to be disappointed.
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Martin60
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Jesus.
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